Black Magic Pocket Cinema Camera 4k vs. GH5
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Rachel doesn't get an introduction. She just gets to stand there looking awkward and not talking. RACHEL. I SEE YOU RACHEL.
That's funny. Good point. At least her instagram handle was shown.
And she is a stunning beauty...
Wheel of Fortune
You noticed the beautiful woman standing in the middle of the shot? Well spotted sir. 😂
Stay tuned for our LIVE Q&A at 3PM PST where Jay P answers all your questions about the Black Magic Pocket Cinema Camera 4k and the GH5! If you can't make it, please post the questions in the comments and we will get to all of them :)
The Slanted Lens if I had to choose I’d go with the GH5 simply because I can go from stills to video and have stabilization
Yeah that's a huge bonus for the GH5.
I wonder how it would compare to the GH5S.
Upscale such videos to UHD, because its hard to compare in a such quality on CZcams.
The moment when you're talking about on-board audio... and your lavalieres begin to fail. #thestruggles
the irony, we know. #thestruggleisreal
They would not have been that far away either! Could have been hardwired.
And outdoors.... oh god, gee! Why even bother using COS11 lavs if you're going to expose it to wind like that? I'd rather have it hidden, have a little bit of scratching, rather all that wind noise.
I thought they were about to say they were recording the sound with the on-board mics.
yikes. no we didn't test those haha.
Haha
Now this is what happens when professionals compare equipment. Seen so many tests of people who have only worked with DSLR cameras, trying to compare the BMPCC4k with sony and panasonic. Problem is that they lack the grading experience and understanding of the codecs, to get the most out of BM. Sure it doesn't meet the vlogging criteria, but it was never mean't to please those kinds of people anyways. Great video, always happy to see content from you guys!
Thanks for sharing with us!
It´s not bad to compare Blackmagic Pocket 4K to mirrorless, because its in same price point. And its also ok to compare them in videography, not just cinematography. Every good cinematographer can pull great image even from Canon 550D.
"Sure it doesn't meet the vlogging criteria, but it was never mean't to please those kinds of people anyways." - disagree with your statement; I clearly saw many Blackmagic sales representatives pitch it as a vlogging camera very recently in many events... though nobody bought the pitch then.. :)
@@JJDelMar GH5 is not meant for vloggers. It doesnt have AF that works. Its great cam for docs.
They might have indicated that it was possible to use for vlogs. But it is not branded as a vlog camera. Many rumors started because of the record button at the front, but In non of the material i've seen have they directly indicated it to be a vlogging camera. You could sure use it for that if you wanted, but without AF and flipscreen it should have been clear that it was not designed for that purpose.
You asked and we delivered, download the raw footage for the BMPCC4K and GH5 for you to color grade yourself! Go to this link to get your download: theslantedlens.com/bmpcc4k-gh5-signup/ Happy color grading!
You flared the gh5 and it looks all washed out while testing the pocket in the shadow, all this against a window lol. Clearly you are not capable of reliable camera tests. More youtube disinformation right here.
sorry that you didn't find this video helpful. thanks for sharing with us!
It would be better compared gh5s. It is more suitable for video.
@@user-dn4hw4pl8x Let's say more suitable as a cinema camera and therefor a better fit for a comparison. Yes, I agree with that in general. :)
Mainly I'm just stunned that this is a 4K camera shootout and the presented video is middle of the road 1080, if that... Kinda pointless really.
Feels like you exposed for what looked good on the BMPCC and then matched those settings with the GH5. I have so many issues with your tests. 1. Skin tones. You Shot two different angles. Why? This would skew your results. You got more shadow on the side angle which created depth where your head on shot is pretty flat. Also you used 2 different lenses on each camera. Different glass will have different colour shifts. Ever hear about Chromatic aberration? Not to mention all the other things that are affected by the glass you use. For instance F-stop is front element size / aperture size and then rounded off so its common for lenses with different fStops to have different tStops. So in the future use the same lens on each camera. Next you grade something and say it has to much magenta in it. That's just retarded. On your dynamic range test the exposure is not the same. And I agree the BMPCC has better Dynamic range. I just cant tell you how much through your tests because the GH5 image was exposed hotter then the BMCC
They are flaring the Gh5 in the sun, while the pocket is in the shadow.
enough said
Not Bias. I'm not saying the BMPCC 4K is not the better camera. But I want a fair comparison so that I know by how large a margin the BMPCC 4K beats the GH5.
Side note. If the GH5 image is close its still the better camera. I have a BMCC4K and the 4K is possibly better then that of the GH5 but the hdd space and post (trans-coding) required to use the DNG sequences which is the only option to film in when shooting 4K makes the BMCC's 4K pretty unusable for the projects I do. Unless you filming a feature the DNG sequences are a shit way to work. Even my red R3D files are more user friendly. They are read by premier and davinci natively. Bonzology what experience do you have with cameras? I want an unbiased test so that I can see it the extra work required by the BMPCC4K is worth the effort for the bump in image quality. Also the work flow had no mention in the video. The only bias here is "the slanted lens's" bias to the BMPCC4K. I'm pissed that they wasted 24minutes of my life making this bullshit review when I'm trying to make a decision on upgrading (if you can call it an upgrade) my GH5 and GH5s for BMPCC's. Bonzology look at CRFTSHO GH5 vs Red. Please tell me they got the best results they could from the GH5. My footage looks better then theirs. Here is a link czcams.com/video/8bQbk9zhGQc/video.html
@@Kgenlloud I currently have a 12 core CPU, 32 gigs of ram, and a 1070 GPU. Is there any codecs that these specs would have a hard time handling on the BMPCC4k?
Should be fine. Your specs will handle 4K DNG's no problem. SSD's or a raid will also improve 4K performance. I used to use a Laptop with good specs but a mechanical HDD and that wouldn't handle. If I opened task manager the HDD would be 100% usage. I use a desktop now with 3x 2TB SSD Hybrid drives in Raid 980TI 32GB Ram and an I7 7th gen and that handles everything fairly well. Nuke compositing at 4K doesn't play back but editing and AE, No problems.
You should compare a GH5S since it shares the same Pocket 4K sensor, not a two year old camera. Even if people think GH5 and GH5S are exactly the same, they are wrong. They are two different cameras with two different sensors, field of view, native iso and color science.
I think exactly the same, and is suspicious, a lot BMP4k Vs GH5 but not Vs Gh5S
I dont know why ppl wont review the gh5s vs BMPCC4k. If they were the same BMPCC4k would still sell more at $1300 rather than over $2k of the gh5s
^^ What he said.
I think they are thinking more in terms of price point.
@@raredreamfootage that's one way of looking at it. They aren't really close in price though. And the alternative would provide more useful, for me.
As a GH5 user (and aficionado!) I have to say the look out of the BMPCC4K looks significantly better.
do you have also a 4k version of this video? because it's harder to tell in hd
Once again, what you are seeing is improperly graded V-LogL being compared to a stylistic (aka color science) pre-computed interpretation of the raw footage.
With a few minutes in a simple rudimentary tool like Lumetri I could get the GH5 footage here to match that BMPCC4K footage fairly closely.
Want a cookie?
Interesting video. One of the possible causes of the colour shift and disparity between the two models at 120p is probably the bit-depth. Variable frame rate modes on the GH5 are only available for 8-bit, which is a considerable step down from 10-bit and even more from Raw. And 8-bit just isn't that great for V-Log in my opinion.
Thanks for sharing that. We are in the process of uploading the raw footage right now for people to check out how it looks in raw.
Wow, both are very nice cameras, but you can clearly see a difference with the BMPCC. Can't wait till mine arrives.
If possible, please compare a Sony a7iii for color science, d.r. & sharpness to the BM4k. Would love to see some FF glass & a speedbooster on the BM4k. (Yes, we know the sensors are totally different)
We will definitely try to do another comparison based upon all the numerous comments! Thanks for sharing with us
Black Magic Pocket Cinema Camera 4k Vs Sony A7III Please!!!
as a sony user, i can tell you the color science is by far the worst i've ever used in terms of newer 4k cameras.
Thank you for this video... you convinced me to buy bmpcc
Si usted lo dice, no hay nada mas que pensar. Es una excelente camara
It's really awkward that there is a woman standing there during the intro and she doesn't say anything or get introduced. I felt like I was at an awkward party.
Sorry about that, we normally introduce her in the beginning but that shot must have gotten cut out. Thanks for letting us know though.
Guys, you did a great job! The test that you set up were very good very revealing, and it was all really enjoyable to watch. I have a gh5, and I learned a lot watching this. Good job!
I feel like the fact that BRAW was not even covered is too bad. Pockets raw format is amazing. Retaining the full scope of each BM circuit so that you can... after the fact... Like a red camera.. change the iso and exposure losslessly. Bought this and Sony a7iii and returned the Sony. The footage from the Sony was plagued with garbage compression and 8 bit banding. I imagine the same compression issues exists in some heavily graded gh5 footage. 12bit BRAW is amazing. BM Also comes with full version of resolve.
As usual a perfect review i would love to see more cameras like sony a7iii and canon if possible against BM 4k
we are planning on doing another one when the BMPCC4K comes out, so stay tuned :)
I like that contrary to many CZcams channels, you do actual camera tests from which one can actually draw conclusions!
Thanks! We definitely try not to be biased, but we can't help it sometimes
Blackmagic is the winner, no doubt
Haha, we didn't say a clear winner, but the camera speaks for itself!
Sure, they had to put the GH5s into the ring. It was clear that the GH5 don't have any chance.
Speaking professionally, this video does an awesome job of showing just how ahead of its time that the GH5 is; the Blackmagic is obviously SLIGHTLY better in some area but it should be as it is a new camera. When comparing these cameras when operating with good light, you can't really tell them apart. In the dark, obviously the Gh5 is going to suffer and that is why we have the GH5s. Should you drop the GH5 for the Blackmagic; it depends. If you don't have a camera it's an opinion but the Blackmagic has some major issues to consider. If you have the GH5 or GH5s, most professionals would tell you no as the difference isn't that dramatic.
This is a great point. The GH5 has been out for quite some time now and in many ways it holds up to the Pocket 4K or even surpasses it. Ultimate image quality does go to the Pocket 4K, but there are many factors to consider when choosing a camera for a project.
Andrew Ryan GH5 ans GH5s will always have this cellphone-ish quality to the picture, feels kind of shooting on very good phone with optics. BMPC gives you something else, the picture is just deeper, you just want to look at it more, it’s... idk, more cinematic? One looks like filmed theater performance, other one looks like movie. And yes, even iphone shot can be colored in DaVinci without much of an effort to look kind of like movie, but you have to go extreme with it. Bmpc on the other hand can give you “movie” in more subtle way. Just my 2 eyes opinion, not to sound absolute or anything. Just something I’ve noticed
What was the LUT or grading done on the BM footage? would love to know, it looks STUNNING
For the IBIS the GH5 is a real winner.
If you want to shoot lovely rich looking imagery then the Pocket Cinema Camera is the one, and if they update it to Blackmagic RAW the undisputed champion, there will be no doubt about that.
Thanks guys. Another of your very interesting videos. I am still waiting for my BMPCC 4K to become available.
Your over/under test is flawed for the GH5 because the light is not blocked by the window frame as it is for the bmpcc4k. Of corse the bmpcc4k will hold more detail and contrast.
Dave Patterson and this was soo easy to detect so those both idiots are disqualify themself for having an opinion on that topic...
@@supremeFTW I appreciate anyone who takes time to create a video review. It's a lot of work, so let's cut them some slack. I was just pointing out an exposure flaw that anyone could have made (I speak from experience...LOL).
@@davidp158 ok...maybe my first answer was to harsh but those kind of videos are an inpsiration for customers and they spread this news....and this news is just wrong....
Can you compare GH5 with BMPCC 6k?
If I really have to pick one....I pick the MODEL.
Javasteen1980 lol!
You can still pimp her and get your money's worth.
Which model would i choose? yup agreed, the one in the middle, lol!!
oh yes, i am here to watch the beautiful model :)
Generally agree with all your conclusions, however, the test in front of the window puts the GH5 at a severe disadvantage since the sun is striking the lens, whereas it hides behind the window frame for the Black Magic camera. I believe the majority of what you're seeing in the shadows with the GH5 is flare from the sun. Other than that, in my opinion, I think the more muted colors of the GH5 might be easier to work with in post.
Yup we realized that after the fact. It was hard to put them at the exact same angle, but we will keep on improving for the next round!
This video does an awesome job of showing just how ahead of its time that the GH5 is; the Blackmagic is obviously SLIGHTLY better in some area but it should be as it is a new camera. When comparing these cameras when operating with good light, you can't really tell them apart. In the dark, obviously the Gh5 is going to suffer and that is why we have the GH5s. Should you drop the GH5 for the Blackmagic; it depends. If you don't have a camera it's an opinion but the Blackmagic has some major issues to consider. If you have the GH5 or GH5s, most professionals would tell you no as the difference isn't that dramatic.
Skintones, reds and oranges just look wrong on the gh5...
It sounds like you are trying to justify your purchase....nothing wrong with that but you've got to be fair to both cameras. If you can't do that, it shows just how amateur that you are.
The whole GH line has been ahead of it’s time. I still have footage from a music video I shot with the GH2 with the driftwood hack and people thinks it’s arri / RED footage (totally subjective comparisons but point is , it’s a beast line).
@@MichaelRichards983 to be fair, tge pocket 4k should have been compared to gh5s. Wich is the first in GHx series to have decent colours. Also, same sensor as the bmpcc4k. If you don't see that tge 4k is butchering the gh5, you maybe have ham on your eyes.
Cristiano Bacci Maybe to the untrained eye there is a difference but real world speaking, it’s not that dramatic from a creative standpoint. With that being said, I agree with the other reviews on this camera.
BMPCC4K + gimbal is still cheaper then the GH5(s) 🤣
The price point is something that we talked about. Definitely a lotta bang for your buck
bmpcc4k+gimbal+5extra original battery+500GB SAMSUNG T5+shotgunmic is still cheaper too
wow that is a lot of bang for your buck.
Especially when you consider the an-camera audio and would have to buy another box for the GH5
Gh5 has been at $1700 for a while now.
Is there any camera with image quality of BMPCC 4K and features of GH5 ?
AND
of course in a price range of both ☺
Please be kind help..... 🙏
Jaid Pathan ahahahahaha in the same price range?! Of course not...if not no one would be buying the GH5 or BMPCC4K 😂
Film look doesn't need Dynamic Range, non of the film celluloid cameras of the 70's and 80's and 90's had Dynamic Range and great movies were made with those.
I wonder how the BMPCC would compare to the GH5S...
Gh5S is winner always! Gh5S video = RED 8K video
When you comparing "color science" between two cameras firstly you should specify your color grading pipeline. Without it there is nothing to talk about.
Exactly.
Just for the record: Native ISO means the ISO at best Dynamic Range performance, not Noise Sensitivity.
On your over under tests vlog is not being handled correctly in the GH5. Vlog produces a beautiful file between -1.2EV to +1.5EV. It also looks to me not to be graded correctly.
The grading overall seems to be missing contrast and color throughout your testing *if* your goal was to match the cameras.
The colors are poorly handled. This is not a limitation of the camera.
We graded it based upon the recorded vectorscope levels on the v-log, but thanks for sharing with us!
Yeah...comparing over/under in neutral profile versus the Blackmagic in raw really wasn't a fair test (not giving the GH5 it's best format for DR while the BMPCC4K was in it's best).
also the shot was way different. Why not make sure nothing messes up the test, and make it easy to compare?
+TheTechnoPilot they didn't shoot raw with the bmpcc4k and they used log with the gh5
@@christophershivers6257 no they didn't, they specifically label on the screen for the over and under exposure test that the GH5 was shot in Natural profile.
Curious to know what profiles and where used and was the GH5 shooting at it's 400MB or the 100?
All-I or Long GOP
Guys :))) why you upload @ 1080p, showing 4k footage? :( i am on 27inch monitor. Also on the Blackmagic site it says that it comes with 30W power supply?
Black Magic Pocket Cinema Camera Vs Sony A7III Please!!!
Also why did you not upload 4K and your 1080p upload looks like a very low bitrate.
That's a really good suggestion, it completely slipped our minds to upload in 4K!
Looks like you guys are having fun out there. It always good to see stuff like that. Keep up the good work folks
We definitely had a blast! It's a great lightweight camera to go out and shoot with. It's even better when you throw it on a gimbal
4.39 in the BMPC footage has flicker. Also, as a number of people have said, why not compare with the GH5S, which, unlike the GH5, does have the anti-aliasing filter?
This is best side by side I've seen so far! Thanks for putting in the work :)
Thanks Adam! We appreciate the enthusiasm!
For five minutes I was checking cable connection with my audio system and after plug out from TV, realize that those audio craps came from your video. Ech...
Has somebody tried the Pocket 4k with a stabilised lens like 12-35 or 12-60 Leica ? because these lenses are meant to work better with Panasonic cameras... but should still work with Blackmagic. A comparison on how stabilisation works on different cameras should be done
Thoroughly enjoyed this review! Thanks! I've been using the BMPCC for a few years and cannot wait for the 4k to arrive.
Nice! We are excited for everyone to start doing their own tests on the BMPCC4K when it comes out!
look forward to a test for GH5s VS BMPCC4K
Gh5S is winner always! Gh5S video = RED 8K video
You guys did a fabulous comparison. Well done. Lossless raw on the pocket 4k gives you a fraction more on dynamic range, but probably not worth the trouble. I'd say gh5 is better for run and gun, pocket 4k behaves more like a true cinema camera. Would love to see pocket 4k vs arri or red cameras
Thanks Lee! yeah, it's a very different feeling when shooting with the two of them
guys in the shot with the cappucino it's hugely unfair that for the gh5 the sun is before the middle window and is reflected off another window straight into the sensor while for the pocket this reflection is behind the middle window element methinks...
apologies! we only noticed it later in post.
Also native iso has a lot of misconceptions generally. It’s not primarily about noise levels, it’s the dynamic range. 400 and 3200 have the same dynamic range, but not same noise levels. The second 3200 gain circuit kicks in at 1200+ iso.
could you guys make a comparison between the Ursa mini 4k and the BMPCC 4K,
That's a great idea for a future video!
Misconception about the dual iso. It does make for better low light performance, but it improves much more on dynamic range and colors at high ISO's, than it prevents noise. That is why there is more noise in 3200 than 1600, however you preserve dynamic range and color, compared to a normal sensor type.
Thanks for that perspective. That makes sense when you look at the footage.
The Slanted Lens The natives ISO are 400 and 1250 on this camera, not 1600 or 3200.
Very impressive dynamic range. I think a fair comparison would be the GH 5S /BMPCC 4K
The S handles highlights much better.
Can you guys make similiar test, but with sony a7III instead of gh5? I think it could be an intersting battle
yeah we definitely can! thanks for giving us your sugggestion.
The lack of IBS on the BMPCC4k kinda blows, but that dynamic range and colors are pretty damn incredible! Kinda poops on the GH5 in those regards.
One of the most usefull insight comparisons i've seen in a while.
Thanks! And thanks for your support!
Thank you for another well done review. I really appreciate that you take the time to do more than just point the camera at trees and the sky and claim to have tested dynamic range. ;-)
Haha, that's why we bring in our models to help us make the footage look even better!
I like that Bimcafourk camera
lol, that "sexy" moan in the background when you switch to blackmagic
Forget the cameras...the girl is the winner here ...Gorgeous 😉
Everyone compares this dedicated video camera to still cameras because of the price... My advice is to shoot stills with a stills camera and video with a video camera. I know, revolutionary, right? :). Great video as always!
We are planning to do another comparison with a cinema camera when the bmpcc4k comes out, but thanks for sharing with us!
Very interesting video. Thank you
I am not an expert because I just
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experienced will answer me.
1) I only make documentaries in remote
areas, around the world. 2) I always travel alone. 3) I like to shoot in
4K 50p 10bit. 4) I would like to get the same or slightly better video
quality than the GH5.
5) I would like a camera that is easy to use.
Which
camera do you think is the best for me? I could also accept a small
camcorder, but only if it has excellent image quality. I THANK YOU for
your suggestions.
The new Sony a7 IV is a pretty good bet. Check it out: bhpho.to/3mwDxw2
@@TheSlantedLens Is it better than Lumix GH5 Mark 2 for video 4K?
Compare the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K to another proper Cinema Camera next time. Thanks for your time and effort.
Any recommendations for which camera you'd want to see the BMPCC4K up against?
The Slanted Lens The Canon C200. It would be great to see the differences in image quality with such a massive price difference between the two. I appreciate your reply.
@@TheSlantedLens
Maybe the Ursa Mini Pro or even an ALEXA?
Canon EOS C200 Sounds good as Well.
A comparison with the GH5s would be more interesting I think, because they share a very similar (if not the same) sensor. Also the color science on the GH5s is more advanced than on the GH5 as far as I am concerned.
I'd love to see the Micro Cinema Camera compared to the new Pocket 4k. :-)
What camera was this video shot with ????????the first part of this video when you first start out
The Canon C200
This was great thanks. Trying to upgrade to 4k and have internal AUDIO recording. I ordered BM4k in July, got it in December - Have to get metabones $500 to get IRIS control to work with my Nikon lenses - Is this a thing or is my camera messed up? I have not had a chance to go to Adarama in NYC to have it looked at or make sure I am buying the right adapter. I have been shooting on a Nikon 7100 for years, but I am tired of recording audio on another device. I have a lot of learning new gear and software to do, this seemed like a good start.
There´s no word about the colour profile used on GH5... VLog ? - CineD ? - Standard ? - Especially these have a really high influence on the look and on how noisy the picture is...
Dang the black magic colors look awsome..with that being said my gh5 still helps pay the bills
Great! We just wanted to show some different options to compare.
One thing you don't do to test over and underexposure is to change the iso. Try adjusting the f-stop.
Thanks for the suggestion!
This video kinda comes off to me as Black Magic sponsored /// biased. The GH5 in this video I feel was not graded or used properly at all. In some of the shots her skin tones look purple and that's not at all what the GH5 skintones look like.
I agree with you but the way it's done is probably the most accurate in order to see how each camera captures colours. You can then color correct to your liking obviously and the two cameras could be easily matched but the purpose of the video is to get an idea of what I explained above.
Recon9143 AND THAT SHITTY DR TEST.. when sun is hitting gh5 and for bmpc 4k blocked by window.. :-/
I agree with you. Sun was shining on window on GH5 but not on BM Pocket. And so many of GH5 footage was zoom in for show it worst. And grading is totally bad for GH5 and they spent so much time on Blackmagic :D You an see it easily.
They are both great cameras when in the right hands, just like pretty much anything to do with filmmaking.
Precisely correct. The RAW interpretation is based on carefully designed 'color science' whereas the LOG footage is intended to be graded and corrected in post. You would be better off comparing the Standard or Natural picture profiles instead if you want to make a camera color interpretation comparison. Or at least grade the LOG footage to match the profile you choose for that RAW interpretation.
I love the colors and the look Blackmagic has developed, don't get me wrong... and I do feel it is superior to the baked in looks offered by Panasonic. Especially in the skintones.
But this is an apples to oranges comparison.
You can either go through more trouble grading to get your colors where you want them on the GH5 (or) Go through more trouble with the ergonomic and data storage challenges presented by the BMPCC 4K. Choose your poison.
Im trying to get a video camera primary for sport videos (Surf) Which one would you recomend me ? and why. thanks
If you are in the water use a GoPro. If not check out the Sony A9.
Can GH4 and GH5 Lumix 4/3 Lens's be used on the Black Magic without an adapter?
Here is what they say about the camera: The Micro Four Thirds lens mount accommodates the original, lightweight Pocket Cinema Camera lenses, and can be used with PL, C, EF, and other lenses with the use of separately available adapters.
For the window test, shoot the bmpcc 4k at iso 1000, you’ll thank yourself. You’ll get more of the highlight information.
They state that 3200 is the native iso because it’s just the iso with no gain applied. However the iso effects how the dynamic range is allocated. Higher iso in the first iso gain bracket has more stops above middle grey. The lower iso in the second bracket (1250) has the most stops below middle grey and will record more stops below middle grey. 400 and 3200 are just a middle ground where it’s roughly the same amount of stops below and above middle grey. 1250 for low light will not only give you more shadow details but also the cleanest image possible.
This is great information. It's worthy of a test. Thanks!
@@TheSlantedLens If I have bright highlights with shadows I shoot at iso 1000 and I ETTR then in post I bring the iso down to somewhere between 400-800 to bring the noise down (there isn't any while its bright). I do however notice that theres a slight difference in saturation at higher iso's though. Generally speaking for exteriors I'm either 800-1000. 400 for controlled scenes unless it's clipping then I up the iso. 1250 for lowlight if possible. You can also look at the waveform in Davinci Resolve with a BRAW clip. The waveform is between 0 and 1023. When recording at an iso you can see where the highlights are clipping recorded information (even if the shot isn't overexposed or clipped) 400 will show a "shelf" in the middle of the waveform. 800 will show a "shelf" at the 896 and the 1000 will have highlight information all the way to the top of the waveform. Again this isn't overexposing clipping, but its how the sensor records the data and Dynamic Range. People think that just because you can change the iso in post that it doesn't effect how the sensor records that dynamic range and how iso effects the allocation of the dynamic range. But I see the proof myself and theres a lot of people who refuse to test it for themselves and just argue with me lol. It's a known fact and can be seen in the dynamic range chart online. Its helpful to know how to use the camera in certain situations. But hey if other people can record at 400 iso without clipping the highlights or shadows then be my guest. All I'm saying is the proof is in the pudding.
It might seem like a small thing, but both cameras were mounted in two different positions that were just far enough apart that the GH5 has some sun actually peaking out into the sensor that the BMPCC4K does not have, which is just far enough to the right that the sun is blocked. I would try to avoid shooting with direct sunlight into the lens as often as possible so its not really a fair comparison, if the camera that wins in these tests is the one where the sun is actually blocked. Also, the white column in the GH5 image actually is not in the BMPCC4K image, you can see in the GH5 that it is out of frame in the BMPCC4K. In fact, in the test where you are pushing the ISO, the exposure in the GH5 actually looks better. At 12:49 there is more detail in the background on the GH5. FYI I'm not a GH5 purist, I don't own either camera. Overall, great demo!
Thanks for pointing that out, we only noticed after we were in post, but we agree with you!
Urgh, are people still trying to argue that the GH-whatever cameras are better or even anywhere close to the Blackmagic cameras?
We have been trough this since 2014.
Give up! It's not gonna happen.
Little cool update/correction. The pocket 4k DOES come with a charger. Its just not what you would expect. The 2 pin lemo cable that comes with it actually will charge the LP battery when you plug it in.
Thanks for the correction!
I know I'm totally off topic and super late with this comment, but did you notice the moment at 1:26 when the model gets noticeably bored? The "boring" part hasn't even started girl!
@theslantedlens Thank you for the review... I'm considering getting a C-200, but wanted to see how close the BMPCC 4k would be in quality over price... Since you've worked with both, what are your thoughts? Thanks in advance
Great question. I use my C200 really often. The C200 has easy sound solutions, it has built in ND filters. If you are going to get the BMPCC4K set-up, you have to spend easily another $1000. The batteries for the BMPCC4K don't last very long. Better off to step up to the Ursa MiniPro which is more competitive with the cinematic C200.
Make a short film with both cameras, then I can give you my critical opinion. All these non-sense theories are just bull shit.
That's a great idea! Let us know if you decide to do that.
sorry same lens but
no control conditions in the first test - light could change, recorded from a different perspective, different focal length, - why?
btw i like bmpcc DR :)
There is no stable in the BMPCC4k , but I heard the stablizer in the lens still works.
This is so helpful thanks. I'm about to buy the gh5 becaiuse it suits my purpose as a hybrid run and gun. Would love to get a BMPC down the track for more cinematic effect.
Enjoy your new purchase! Thanks for watching!
Love the comparison, great review. Wish it was released in 4K though. Keep them coming guys, great job.
Thanks for watching! We didn't take that into consideration upon exporting, but definitely will next time. Thanks so much for the suggestion!
It's great, comprehensive comparison. There's only few of them on youtube. But i beg you, next time pay more attention to audio. It's clipping, there's a lot of annoying noises.
Awesome comparison!
Hope you makke this kind of comparison again but with the GH5S for a completely deserve.
Possibly in the future with the C200!
Could you share some footage so we can grade and compare it for ourselves?
Yes! We'd love to see what you can do with the footage we shot! We will put it up online for you to download and let you know when it's ready.
Thanks!
Do you have files uploaded yet?
You can download the footage here: theslantedlens.com/bmpcc4k-gh5-signup/ Happy color grading!
That tripod is like one of the best ive ever used
Why upload 1080p when you are reviewing 4k cameras?
One of the greatest videos ever.. Thank you
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What handles are those for the Tilta Gravity G2 you used with the BMPC 4K?
I have a BMPCC4K, and I love it, but one REALLY annoying 'feature' is that you cannot delete files from the camera! So if you are running low on card space, you cannot delete unwanted takes - you have to put the card in a computer and delete. BMD needs to fix this!!
what r u on about? u can format the HD on the camera lol
Does this camera have unlimited recording time?
That was a great Comparison. Thanks very, very much.
I think you made it very clear that the BMPC4k has a better Dynamic Range than the GH5. Some other factors which you discussed favor the GH5, but the one that's best for you really depends on your needs such as the the difference in battery life between the two cameras. If you are shooting documentary work, you will be far better off with the GH5, or some sort of external super battery for the GMPC4k.
What was not mentioned is that the BMPC4k includes the full DaVinci Color Grading/Editing software and that it costs less than the GH5.
Thanks for watching, Dan! And yes, that is a great point about DaVinci being included! That's a benefit we should have mentioned.
Well done practical tests, thank you. BTW, how did you guys get proper exposure with the bmpcc4k? TIA.
Great video. I’d love to see a comparison between the Blackmagic and the Sony A7 III. Those are the 2 I’m really stuck between. I’ve played with the GH5 and GH5s before and I wasn’t impressed. I don’t like that flat skin tone look.
you didnt talk about audio options (how the pocket camera has an XLR port) or battery life
Earlier GH5 did soot 4K with 10bit color only in 24, or 30FPS, but 4K/60P only with 8bit color depth. I'v read some time ago, that at some point GH5 gonna get a software update which allows to shoot 4K also in 60FPS with 10bit color depth?? I'm planing to buy 4K video camera in the near future, and right at the moment i'm considering between Panasonic GH5, and Back Magic Poket Cinema Camara 4K, and i'v understood that BMPCC 4K shoots 4K/60 with 10bit color depth. In this price tag, Panasonic GH5, and BMPCC 4K are quite in same level with the specs, except BMPCC 4K does not have build in image stabilizer and not continues autofocus while shooting. But i think it would be important to get 4K footage with full specs 60P/HDR, and burn the stuff on 4K Blu-Ray.
Been watching a LOT of BMPCC4K vids on CZcams. It seems the only salty comments come from people with a GH5. Seriously. Did every GH5 owner in the world suddenly get buyer's remorse or something? The BMPCC4K is the best deal for a CINEMA camera on the market, period. Not a DSLR that has video, not a camcorder, not an action cam. CINEMA camera. $1300 for a cinema camera and a full copy of Resolve is ridiculously cheap. I can add a gimbal, multiple batteries, and cards to shoot on and still come in under the price of other cinema cams. Blows my mind.
Finally a good review! Thank you
Thank you for watching! We tried to do a large variety of tests to really see the capabilities of both cameras :)
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Nice! We post our lessons on Facebook as well. Do you prefer coming to youtube or staying on facebook?
I'm still on YT :) better quality
Pawel Chyrowski thanks! We’re glad you liked our review