30-30 Win: Remington Core-Lokt 150gr v Federal Powershock 150gr (Iron Sights)
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- In this video we compare the performance of Remington Core-Lokt 150gr v Federal Powershock 150gr in our Marln 336C chambered in 30-30 Winchester using our Skinner peep sights (iron sights)
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I have 4 pre 64 94 rifles. I haven’t tried federal ammo for many years. I have have 4 boxes of Core-Lokt ammo that are 10+ years old. They group very close in all 4 rifles. I haven’t tried the Winchester rounds for twenty+ years. They grouped very well in my rifles. I moved to Core-Lokts because they performed better on elk and black bear. I have taken 14 bull elk and 2 cow elk, 34 black bear and I don’t know how many mule deer with those old rifles. I would still be using them if my vision was good enough to shoot iron sights. For what it’s worth from an old timer thats my experience.
I agree with you on the Marlin 336 .30-30. It is so under rated these days. Thanks for showing what it can do with iron sights, which to me, it was made to be carried with. I tried a scope on mine, but felt like I was defiling it, so I put on skinner sights, and I am so happy how it carries and shoots. It was not to be a minute of angle rifle, but minute of deer rifle. I know that sounds cliché these days, but if you want a minute of angle rifle, buy a bolt action with a high powered scope and leave us old schooled guys alone. We will bring home the meat anyway. God Bless.
During the takeover by Vista Outdoor of the Remington ammunition plant, there were numerous reports of how much the quality of ammo had slipped due to poor plant maintenance - so much that plant production was only a small part of capacity. Vista has been working hard on that plant, and they have expertise and engineers from Federal, CCI, and Speer to draw on. The now have the plant producing at full capacity, and I'd expect the quality has improved too. Just have just introduced a new green ballistic tipped Core-Lokt 30-30 round I'd love to see tested.
Great info thanks. Thanks for supporting our channel!
Ya don't waste your money
I am going to test the quality control theory for Vista soon. My Winchester 94 has always preferred the Remington Core-Lokt 150 GR ammo. So when they are available I am going to get some of the "Vista" produced ammo and try them.
I posted an analysis of this test, and the results are that the Federal and Remington ammo score identically. The problem is that a three shot sample size leaves too much room for user error. Even skilled shooters have predictable error. See my analysis of this test. CoreLokt is perfectly good ammo
I’ve got about 15 boxes of the federal 150, but I’ve always felt that Remington leaves better blood trails on deer. I bought the federal because it was cheaper and i like flat nose bullets better than round nose. I’ve been using the federal a for about 7-8 years now and so far they worked well. A couple years ago I took an 11pt whitetail that scored 138”.
Some rounds no matter the brand are just more accurate than others in your rifle. And yes some projectiles have better penetrative qualities. I think it was the Federal that my rifle was more accurate with. Federal and Winchester have both been fine for me.
@@woofbark4475 it seems in hunting ammo federal and Winchester are always solid choices for most hunting ranges
Wow congrats on you're deer yeah shells are so expensive now a days I've had my marlin 336 for about 40 years wish I would have bought shells for it years ago there 33 dollars a box now n 308 are 38 dollars a box you probably be needing all you can get soon
@@jamesfranz7508 yeah tell me about it. I believe hates times are coming
@bs431980 yeah stock up on them we going to need them where you from
After trying various ammo for my Marlin 336 is that my rifle handles the Remington Core-Lokt 170 gr. best. I consistently get 2" or less groups at 100 yds. and have never had a deer take as much as 2 steps after being hit with it. My longest shot over the past 5 yrs. (one kill per year) has been 150 steps, uphill, through relatively dense woods. When I fired, all I could see of the deer was the neck and head and he dropped with a perfectly placed neck shot. BTW, I do use a 1.5 x 4.5 scope.
For every test you do with your rifle, someone else will get the opposite results with theirs. I bought a 99 Savage lever gun in .243 Winchester and did not want to start reloading for it. I bought the "Big three" ammo and went to the range. The Winchester threw about an 8" group @ 100 yards (With a scope). The Federal was worse! Both brands were really sticky when opening (Too hot) the lever. I thought I had bought a lemon. I tried the Remington and got a group you could cover with a quarter, and could flick the lever open with two fingers. Some Remington loads may be a little less accurate than others, but the thing that does not change with them is the Corlokt bullet. It is the BEST cup and core bullet out there. I have never had one fail to open up and do damage on either a soft spot or hitting a bone. This is from 15 yards out to 250 yards. Many of the newer bullets are only effective at certain ranges.
It is very true results will vary greatly. Its about the specific rifle and not so much the model of the rifle plus a load of other factors. Thanks for supporting our channel!
That's why you find out what your particular rifle likes best.
@@freedomfirst5420 Agreed 100%
Old goat that's interesting all of my rifles shoot the federal and winchester better than the Remington as far as grouping I never got as good of groups out the Remington and yes the core lokt is a good bullet design I have one rifle that really likes the Remington factory ammo a old 336sc waffle top pre microgroove.ballard rifling but I reload everything so I only shoot factory ammo seldom
Exactly my results with my Marlin 336. Winchester 150 gr hollow points were all over the place but 150 gr corelokt were grouping less than an inch at 100yds. I tried them all. Hornady 150 gr leverevolution produced good groups but way high and left of poa. So price became the ultimate decision maker. Remington ammo was half the price of Hornady and more readily available in my area
🇦🇺😎👍 My 336 has a 3-9x40 scope . At 100 yards I did get a 19 mm 3 shot group at 100yrds only once using Winchester 150 grain. Good shooting with the open sights big fella🏁
As I told you brother on the previous video
Federal is my favourite ammunition
Almost used it for my all caliber
And guns
Thanks for the update
Yep it performed very well. Seems you were right. Very happy with them. Thanks for your support !
I have great confidence in the Remington 150 SPCL bullet. I have reloaded for the 30-30 for years and rarely shoot factory ammo. My supply of Winchester bullets dried up pre COVID and I was thrilled to get my hands on a case of the Remington SPCL 150's which will last me for the rest of my days. I was not surprised to see the results that you reported on your video with the Remington ammo performing so poorly. I really hope that Remington can get back to the once gold standard that they previously held in the ammunition market as their product was consistently excellent in my opinion. Thank you for taking the time to make this video.
In the past I also had great luck with the Remington 30-30, 223 and 9mm ammo. Hope they step back up
Thanks for reviewing ammo that is essentially like trying to find Bigfoot.
Yep the supply has seriously dried up since the time we uploaded that one.
YES! 2 years ago, they had a slew of bad batches.
I had 3 misfires one right after another and and the 4 shot overshot and completely missing the buck I was aiming at 85 yards (I shot that same buck 2 days later). I contacted Remington, they asked me to send the box round back so they could check them and offered me a new box. I went back and got one of my older stock boxes and sent 5 out of my Remington 783 in .270 one after the other without a problem. Just last week, I went through 3 boxes of new Remington Core-Lokt (one .30-30 150g + two .270 150g boxes).
They all fired without a problem and at 25 yards which is what I sight-in for 100 yards (
My personal experience is that Remington is sub-par in just about every caliber. Their ammo started to suck years ago. To me, it's plinking ammo, but I expect very little. Winchester is hit or miss depending of the tier quality. Federal in general is consistent across the line, reliable and good and just gets better as you buy better tier ammo.
I agree Remington seems to have taken a turn for the worse performance wise. Personally I have had good results even from Winchester's white box stuff. Thanks for supporting our channel!
Give Remington another chance. Maybe they worked out their quality issues.
@@BlackBearOutdoors Maybe you should practice more or go to a scope. I have an old Remington 30-06 semi-auto that will put 165 grain Corlokt bullets in a group inside your group. Stop buying at WALMART ! They do get lower quality items and I bet that includes ammo too.
I’ve had this experience, whether it be 22, high power rifle, shotgun, or pistol ammo, I always go for the federal, I’ve taken many deer with the federal power shock and it’s always performed great, I’ve had the experience that federal ammunition overall in all my firearms is usually the more accurate.
Always had problems with Winchester ammunition, and the last couple decades with Remington also.
This is the first video of yous I've seen and only about 1 minute in I'm hooked by your honesty and no nonsense approach. Being fully aware that all rifles like different ammo (weights ,types manufacturers etc.) Not trying to sell me ammo but giving honest feedback on your particular rifle. Kudos
Thank you very much. Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for supporting our channel!
Letting that rifle jump off the rest like that changes a LOT.
Very interesting, my marlin (1959 model) prefers the federal as well. I can usually get 1-1/2" at 100 yards with a scope. Your group was incredible!. good video! Remingtons had similar results in mine (big groups). Hornady lever evolution 160s are similar to the Federals.
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@@BlackBearOutdoors just subbed to your channel I've got a marlin 30-30 microgroove that shoots the Hornady 160 gen lever evolution and it loves my 94 wich is ten years older than the marlin 74_84 and the winchester don't like the Hornady marlin loves them go figure
Carl Friedrich Gauss, a scientist, the greatest mathematician in history, and a surveyor, observed that the accuracy and error of his survey readings were mathematically predicatable. His readings fell on what is now called a Gaussian, or Normal distribution. You may know it as the Bell Curve.
Anyway, the mathematical analysis of Gauss’s formula results in Einstein’s formula for predicting error in statistical readings … like your gun grouping readings or a national poll on voting, for example. Einstein showed that 64% of the readings fell into an error called the “standard deviation”, which is calculated as being 1/SquareRoot (N) where N is the sample size … in your case the number of shots (3). So, with three shots, your expected error for 64% certainty is 1/SqrRt(3) = 58%. So, 4.75 +/- 58% for Remington and 1.18 +/- 58% for Federal. For Remington: 1.75 to 7.50 and Federal 1.07 to 2.43. So, the error bars, at 64% certainty overlap. That means the ammunition has identical accuracy. At higher degrees of certainty the ammo is even more similar.
Generally, you need to use the deviation from a central point … the bullseye, assuming you had adjusted the sights. Then you ignore the high and low numbers to adjust for abnormalities. If you shoot a large number of shots, you can leave them in. However, the point is that your test isn’t adequate enough to decide between Federal or Remington. You also shot Remington after Federal. Barrel warming can contribute, as can fouling. There are all sorts of variables not accounted for in this test.
I have no skin in this game. I shoot Winchester, Federal, Remington and hand loads in my Marlin 336C .30-30
Use the 170GR blue box and make another review! These Marlin have the shallow micro grooves and often prefer the 170 grainers.
Cool new intro w/ art n that lady! I got both of those, still shooting the Remmingtons out to 100 w/ solid groups. Will have to try my Federals Blue box now, both same weight of 150gr. Keep it up
Glad you liked it, we switch up the intros all the time. I found it weird since I usually get good results with Remington. Federals did really well today though. Let us know how they perfom in your rifle when you get a chance. Thanks very much for your support!
Just picked up a 30-30 lever and some 170gr ammo. Will be interesting to see the results I get. Thanks for the video, I've subscribed and will check out the rest of your content.
Let us know how you make out. The 30-30’s are really fun to shoot. Thanks for your support!
Wow...your gun definitely likes the federals. My Marlin loves them too, my Winchester prefers Hornady Custom
Its pretty wild how rifles differ in their preferences. Thanks for supporting our channel!
In my 60 years on the mudball I've found guns are like people they like to eat different things you can have two guns identical model and caliber and one will like one brand and weight and the other something else
Bought my 336C new in 1974. Started out with Federals. Moved to Core-Lokt for some reason or maybe no reason? 170 gr Rems shoot great, sights or scope. Got fascinated with Winchester Silver Tips 'til I shot them. 3" (not measured) at 50 yds. And that was between every hole. I think the Core-Lokts came out in 1938. My brother uses them in .270. They are deadly on deer. Best wishes.
I've also got a Remington 700 Bdl 7mm rem mag. It is a tack driver with 175 grain core locks you can cover 3 shot groups at 100 yds 1" high and just right 1/4" to 1/2" and cover with a quarter! Even more dead on 250 to 300 yds sand bagged!
Marlins have a 1 in 10 twist rate and tends to favor heavier bullets than the Winchester which has a 1 in 12 twist.
I have my dad's old 336 made in 73 and A last of the Rem 336 .and my dad's will shoot any ammo almost perfect but the newer one hates Winchester ammo shoots all other very well.
Very interesting results ... I shoot mainly a Marlin 336C from 1976. I used to like Remington 30-30s 150gr but found them sub par as well. The Winchester X series both 150gr and 170gr is excellent and the Federal you shot is very excellent and not as expensive compared to other brands. Good on federal for that ... should add that the Winchester X and the Federal I did not need to re-adjust my scope but for Remington I have to.
Also as a side note the Winchester X 100 year anniversary in the yellow box I had to adjust for with my scope, a couple clicks down and also a four clicks to the left on my scope at 50 yards so that's a lot.
My rifle seems to love the Winchester 150gr as well. Thanks for your support!
I have a 9 power Burris scope mounted on my Marlin 336W. I get 1 1/2 inch groupings at 50 yards with Remington 150 grain core-lokts. 170 grain hit 6 inches lower. Here in South West Louisiana your lucky if you can see 30 to 50 yards in the woods/swamp.
I have found a good number of my rifles Remington does not measure up to Federal and Winchester in consistency of quality.
I had a BLR in .308. It would group an inch at 100 yards with Winchester 180 gr Silver tip (It definitely liked the heavier bullet, Burris 2-7x scope) but was all over the paper with Remington Core-Lokt. Federal was in between. I was left with a bad taste in my mouth about Cor-Lokt.
Great video. I’ve tried some factory ammo and wasn’t happy. I had to load my own and now get about 1” group. Each load is for separate rifles and only used in that rifle
Definitely quality, I was bouncing between these two in .308 , and I found that federal groups much better
Interesting how Remington was below par. I have old Rem. Core Lokt 30-30 in 150 & 170 and hollow point 170 grn. and it all shoots great in my J.M. Marlin 336CS. I think you're probably correct about their current quality control.
It could likely be QC since I have had really good results with it a few years ago in the same rifle. Thanks for supporting our channel!
over 30 years I have found that Remington has never been as accurate as Winchester never had the opportunity to use the federal but that's what I've always found. I do love the 3030 though
Mine loves the Winchester 150gr too!
I have this rifle in a 16inch barrel and love it .
Loved the intro!
Thanks very much!
I was sighting in my 336 today, had a few Winchester's 150gr. and some federal 150gr. both grouped good but the Winchester hit about 6 in. lower and left of the point of aim
I have a Win 94 in 30-30 and it likes the Rem 150 gr best. What really struct me was that the Winchester loads in 150 gr hit 'hit low and to the left' for me as well. Every rifle is different from another, but I found this interesting. Federal is usually pretty hotly loaded too!
Rifles can be fussy about what they like. However sometimes the difference between best and worst at 100 yards isn't enough to make even the worst group unusable. Something to consider in an ammo famine. Point of impact is sometimes your biggest issue rather than the accuracy.
Interesting. My 336 has always done well with Remington 150gr. In fact, it was the best factory load until LeverEvolution came along. I haven't tried any of their going-out-of-business ammo, or any of their back-in-business ammo. I'll stick to hand loads except for the occasional factory load just for comparison. Sierra 125 gr and 150 gr are just too hard to beat, at least in my rifle. Others get their best from Hornady, or Speer, or Nosler, or other.
In regards to point of impact differences in .30-30, I have observed as much as a two notch elevator difference on a 94 Winchester between factory loaded 170 grain CoreLokt and a top end hand load using 170 grain Hornady flat nose Interlock. That was a valuable lesson. If you are going to use various ammo, you need to make an effort to confirm point of impact.,
@david wilson Brian Pearce did an excellent article on ..30-30 almost 20 years ago. I took note of the fact that at about 20 degrees Fahrenheit his 20" Winchester test gun wasn't even breaking 2000 FPS with some of the 170 grain factory loads. Typical reported speeds from similar guns was usually in the 2050 FPS range. I'm guessing the cold or his barrel or both had pulled that down somewhat. That certainly would kill deer all day at moderate (usual) ranges, but it also would change points of impact significantly if compared with loads that were doing what they should. I've seen groups between various .30-30 loads wander around the target at 100 yards noticeably. They are just different enough to show up on a target range. The reason few people ever see this is because the error isn't often enough to miss a deer out to 100 yards, and most people don't change ammo types or shoot at paper regularly with iron sighted .30-30s. They just go hunting with what worked last year....
That is exactly what happened when I went to site in my new .270. I was going to take it back to Cabelas. So I opted to try Federal ammo after not getting good results with the Remington ammo. Day and night difference so I will be keeping the new rifle afterall
Rifles are very picky sometimes about what ammo they like. Glad you found the right ammo for yours. Thanks for supporting our channel.
The lady that is painting the bear track in the beginning looks more like a grizzly track to me.
I have an Amish neighbor who reloads. In other words, I’ll never run out of ammo!
I've always used Remington 170 grain core lokt in my 30-30 and it's always knocked the deer down immediately or within around 10 yards. I find my gun shoots them very accurately.
Yep its interesting how a specific rifle will like specific brands and loads
I used remington corelokt ammo in all but a couple my rifles for years. I had very good performance from this ammo and it was available everywhere. I don't know what is going on with remington with its' financial problems. I may have to find another type of ammo. I still have some of the older ammo so it might not be an issue for a while. My Marlin 1894, 44 mag loves Win White Box ammo... 240 gr, RNSP
We also had very good and consistent performance with the core-lokt in the past. Their QC may have suffered when they found out they were going belly up. Who knows? Thanks for supporting our channel!
Not surprised. I have the same gun but in 35 Rem, and mine likes the Hornady best, with Federal blue box not too far behind, and the Remington a distant third. I will say that I’ve been more impressed with the Cor-lokt bullet on deer, though. Anyhow, I’m really hoping the Remington quality control has improved because I have a box of their 180g Core-lokt’s to try in my new Ruger American Predator in 308 Win. We’ll see real soon!
Let us know how it goes!
@@BlackBearOutdoors if I can remember to, absolutely. Let me tell you, I spend way too much time on CZcams, and the intro to your channel with the young lady has to be about the best I’ve seen. Very cool!
I love the 3030,,, its a badass rifle and a classic, alot of people where im from up north in canada use that rifle for moose hunting and successfully take it clean.
You need to get all that Federal you can afford!!!!
put your hand under the for arm in stead of the bag
Marlin recommended sighting in at 25 yards after bore sighting . Did you you clean the barrel between shot an between the change of ammunition ? Now Federal Ammunition is making Remington Core Lokt ammunition! Suggest a do over, an some rifles prefer some ammunition over others an also prefer certain bullet weights over others try some 170s or. Some160s or 140s by Hornady!
Roger's Sporting Goods
Has a variety of 30-30 at pre covid prices
I have a 1909 Winchester Model 1894
It does great with 150gr
Eclectic 361 I'd love to buy that winchester off of you
@@jeffreyhershey5754
I'm in south texas, your welcome to see it and make an offer. I can send pictures also. Holidays are coming up so extra cash could help with getting the grand kids some presents.
Quality control most likely I used Remington core Lokt bullets for years for deer in New York never lost one yet they drop like it’s hot
My Remington bolt action 308 shoots power Shok 150 s hole for hole corelok150s first shot cold barrel flyer second shot dead on but now fusions are best.
If I use for deer hunting, I've got some 150 Hornaday that are very accurate at 100 yds! Ive got a early 70 model of 336 Marlin!
Nice. My 30-30 never liked the Hornady but the 45-70 loves the leverevolution ammo
@@BlackBearOutdoors My Marlin JM SS $5-70 Guide Gun drives tacks with the Hornady.
My pre 64 Win 94 30-30 likes the 170 Rem better than 150 by a bit but Win 170 has a tighter group.
The Hornady 160 Lever Evolutions group tight but pretty high.
The Remington 170 I had shot when I bought the rifle used did pretty decent with buck horns but not much later I was having sticky extractions and accuracy fell off. Perhaps a peep for the rear sight and give Vista some time to work things out and then maybe give Remington a go again.
Your rifle shoots 150 grain really well , surprising because so many Marlins love 170 Core - Lokts. Like you said -never know until you try.
Have a 2021 30-30 Henry, it groups 170 Remington or federal better than 150. Using holosun 2.MOA dot, 170s 1.5 inches at 100 yds, 150s 2.5 inches. Every rifle has a unique preference.
That is very true
My Ruger 10/22 has more power than a M2 with Black tip ammo......it's TRUE! Bcuz it's MINE and I do not own a M2....
In all seriousness man excellent video. My Henry side gate 30-30 favors the Rem core loct 150. Leverevolution 160gr. 160 gr hard cast. 150 gr American white tail....then the 30-30!!! Became the most sought after round in America apparently costing 120-160 dollars a fckng box so I set her away for storage untill I can buy ammo here "in the real world again"
I'm going to set a leapers scope on her, any recommendations as to which model? Ya the Hornady LE 160's extend the range but she's no 338 so we both know extreme range isn't even viable
Thats a lovely accent you have there pard. New Jersey?
I have the same problem with Remington.Winchester is always the bet.
Seems the Remington ones had a dip in QC for a while.
How do you use the sight sir, I've never seen a set-up like that before?
It is a peep sight. Where you look through the aperture and put your front sight post in the middle. Check out our video on "Why I use iron sights." It has a better explanation in it. :)
Oh my, this is my gun and ammo types. Both work well out of mine but federal is more accurate, i never had any luck with winchester the stuff sprays abit. If it helps I get more accuracy leaning on a tree than using a bench rest, feels more stable. Hi from Australia.
Yep rifles can be very specific about what they like. Thanks for supporting our channel!
The best way to deal with cougar's in my experience is to offer her a drink.
HAHAHAHA Sound advice for sure!
If you find some. Shoot the Federal Fusion stuff. I found it the most accurate in my 336w.
If I cam find some I will definitely give them a try and do another test video with then also. Thanks for the info and thanks for supporting our channel!
@@BlackBearOutdoors Thanks for your well thought out presentations.
I put a 6.5 Grendel together about two years ago. Fortunately, I bought ammo before the big shortage. I bought Federal Fusion because it still had a lead tip on the bullet. I bought a couple boxes of Russian steel cased HP just to get it close on paper. The Russian ammo shoots just as good as the Federal Fusion. If it had a better bullet instead of a HP, I would just use the Russian ammo to hunt. Don't be misled by sales hype. A lot of these new "Super" bullets are really poor performers when hunting. Anybody that says he shot 5 deer "In the vitals" with a 30-30 and they all "Dropped right in their tracks" probably meant the tracks 60 yards away from where he shot it.
I have always favored Winchester and Federal ammo.
Try some 170 grain, would like to see it
The barrel is jumping.
Where is your accent from ?
I would guess south Africa
Marlin 336 sucks for accuracy I gave mine to my son buying a Henry next
🇦🇺😎👍Nice
that sounds like a south african acsent
SouthAfri-glish-nadian :)
Wow, I dont like that Remington now.
Remington core-lokt never shot good for me neither in my Remington 700 .270.
Junk IMO, quality control is lacking obviously.
My personal favorite is Hornady ballistic tip sst.