Roglič and Mas Battle on CRAZY STEEP Climb | Vuelta a España Stage 11 2021

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  • čas přidán 24. 08. 2021
  • Lanterne Rouge presents highlights of Stage 11 of Vuelta a España 2021 from Antequera to Valdepeñas de Jaén on a day where Jumbo Visma decided to keep the breakaway in check alongside Bike Exchange, to give Primoz Roglic a chance to win the stage on the steep uphill finish.
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    Professional road cycling pundit Lanterne Rouge presents highlights of stage 11 / résumé étape 11 / resumen etapa 11 of the Vuelta a España 2021. Primož Roglič Team Jumbo-Visma wins the stage followed by Enric Mas Movistar Team and Miguel Ángel López Movistar Team. Odd Christian Eiking Intermarché - Wanty - Gobert Matériaux leads the general classification.
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  • @seang5476
    @seang5476 Před 2 lety +107

    Roglic is so fun to watch on the bike. As a rower I’m always amazed how much power these little guys can put out over 30s

  • @ile1973
    @ile1973 Před 2 lety +169

    Mas is very strong this vuelta but roglic is just incredible

    • @dididubalier2196
      @dididubalier2196 Před 2 lety +21

      And Roglic final punch is just too much. Mas has everything but that final strength to win stages Roglic has.

    • @Gvvenk
      @Gvvenk Před 2 lety +4

      Roglic is playing with his food. He is just that much better than anybody else on JV.

    • @LennieNelson55
      @LennieNelson55 Před 2 lety +5

      Mas is more of a pure long climber though, he has a chance to gain some time later . He put distance into Rog last year on the Angliru, and he's on even better form now.

    • @ile1973
      @ile1973 Před 2 lety

      @@LennieNelson55 True he can do damage in the later stages but will it be enough?

    • @bojandolinar1535
      @bojandolinar1535 Před 2 lety

      @@LennieNelson55 But Roglic had bad gear ratio for Angliru because of some malfunction. He is a high cadence guy so this was a big deal for him. I thought that was common knowledge. Even director had a close shot of the gear.

  • @bennettgeraths2313
    @bennettgeraths2313 Před 2 lety +210

    Magnus Cort has been the most exciting rider in this vuelta

    • @PolarRed
      @PolarRed Před 2 lety +12

      I agree. it's sort of weird, but seeing him weaving in the background after being so close, knowing he can't win now, but hell he's going to finish! brilliant ride from Magnus.

    • @liamday453
      @liamday453 Před 2 lety +11

      Its him and Storer

    • @ryanphelan6861
      @ryanphelan6861 Před 2 lety +2

      hes been great , storer, mas, roglic, haig its really been a wonderful race, alejandro was sad ,but so many people are riding great like cort been a treat! I agree cort is awesome reminds me of someone influenced by valgren or hushovd strong man went so deep today pushing on great stuff:)

    • @Yes-sc1pb
      @Yes-sc1pb Před 2 lety +5

      Magnus "caught" nielson

    • @WilsonBoit
      @WilsonBoit Před 2 lety

      Amen

  • @will12943
    @will12943 Před 2 lety +81

    Kuss riding very well, hoping he ends up in the top 10

  • @fernandog.aguirre2791
    @fernandog.aguirre2791 Před 2 lety +17

    Primoz and Mas nothing but gentlemen! So happy to see that very humble sport attitude! Great job you two, saty healthy!

  • @timcahill609
    @timcahill609 Před 2 lety +196

    Roglic is the finest sprinty climby boy in the world at the moment

    • @AComan-ch5wt
      @AComan-ch5wt Před 2 lety +5

      or vdp

    • @willygentet5485
      @willygentet5485 Před 2 lety +16

      laugh in alaphilippe /VDP / Pogacar

    • @Nukleon
      @Nukleon Před 2 lety +19

      wva???? mvdp isnt climby hes punchy, not climby. Wva is climby

    • @HARDSTYLEy
      @HARDSTYLEy Před 2 lety +12

      @@AComan-ch5wt VDP did not show any evidence yet, that he is able to do that on Grand Tours as a GC contender. (emphasis on "yet")
      So i think that for the last two seasons, Pogacar and Roglic are on a next level, compared to other riders. Their performances are just astonishing. Can't wait for a TdF battle we did not get to see this year due to unfortunate Roglic crashes...

    • @markopodganjek845
      @markopodganjek845 Před 2 lety +6

      With AllaPhillipe and Pogacar

  • @Dolencd
    @Dolencd Před 2 lety +102

    Yesterday Primož crashed on the stage, today he crushed the stage.

  • @derekroberts5984
    @derekroberts5984 Před 2 lety +27

    love the watt graphic overlay, well done!

  • @RubenTheCartographer
    @RubenTheCartographer Před 2 lety +17

    Great sportsmanship between Roglic and Mas! That's good to see

  • @vetoland92
    @vetoland92 Před 2 lety +49

    Sad that Bala isn't here. Mas, MAL and Bala would be putting real pressure on Roglic in the 3rd week.

  • @epincion
    @epincion Před 2 lety +27

    Thanks, I like the focus of that last heinous climb to the finish. Its astonishing that all that action took place inside the last 800m. Nice to see Bernal having a better day even though he lost a bit more time, yesterday I was concerned he was on the verge of quitting the race

  • @badcaseofthebajabada
    @badcaseofthebajabada Před 2 lety +161

    Lanterne if you were going to start a WT cycling team what would the team DNA be? What would the focuses, geo-base, kit design etc. This is important, thanks.

    • @dancooperish
      @dancooperish Před 2 lety +23

      > kit design
      Asking the important questions.

    • @bigchungus8126
      @bigchungus8126 Před 2 lety +101

      They would be based in Melbourne, Taches would be compulsory, The Team sponsor would be Victoria Bitters, every rider would be required to change their name to Mitch and the team focus would be to ensure Carapaz is closed down on every attack.
      .
      .
      .
      It would be a succes

    • @dancooperish
      @dancooperish Před 2 lety +23

      @@bigchungus8126 I'd support bogan Movistar.

    • @bigchungus8126
      @bigchungus8126 Před 2 lety +13

      @@dancooperish Team Holden VB, with a Ute as a fitting team car

    • @AugustaChile
      @AugustaChile Před 2 lety +5

      Rim brakes.

  • @TheMateyl
    @TheMateyl Před 2 lety +23

    Rogla in regular TJV yersey seems weird

  • @benfolds17
    @benfolds17 Před 2 lety +11

    Sepp Kuss! Making me proud as usual 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

  • @DBxCooper
    @DBxCooper Před 2 lety +18

    That was an awesome finish today. That climb looked like a wall

  • @AugustaChile
    @AugustaChile Před 2 lety +19

    Nice Powerdata from Kuss! That´s quality content!

  • @djconnel
    @djconnel Před 2 lety +12

    In what may clearly be one of the most spectacular explosions in pro cycling history, Magnus Cort lost 49 seconds in the final 100 meters.. But a spectacular ride by him, really amazing climb after his efforts on the preceding climb and the descent. It seems Movistar is racing against Ineos more than against Roglic, whom they keep delivering to the finish line.

  • @vlados1900
    @vlados1900 Před 2 lety +18

    Thanks. Recap as it should be. No unnecessary tactics hyperbole DS-ing. Was afraid to see some “why is Mas leading out Roglič” ;)
    Good job with extra info/data.

  • @zinjx
    @zinjx Před 2 lety +8

    I'll remember this stage for the incredible power and fight of Magnus.

  • @geodesy2009
    @geodesy2009 Před 2 lety +5

    Sepp was magnificent in the lead out on the wall. Roglic made as much of that stage as he could. Sad to see Magnus weaving side to side after he exploded-he’s been great fun to watch this year.

  • @santiagobenites
    @santiagobenites Před 2 lety +34

    I make exactly the same pain face as Enric Mas does when I'm riding up the steep hill in my neighborhood. The only difference is that I'm only moving at 1/3 the speed that he is, and my hill is only 400 meters long at a maximum steepness of about 5%, not 25%! LOL (I'm only 1/2 joking)

  • @charlyncorgan1954
    @charlyncorgan1954 Před 2 lety +1

    Chapeau to Kuss.
    Mas didn't seem to find the climb as easy as Roglic. Looked like he was trying to punch through, but he can't match the acceleration of Roglic.
    I'm glad Haig is still in there.
    Loved this stage. Cort, Mas, Roglic. They make it fun.
    Great analysis. Ty.

  • @kathyljohnson6203
    @kathyljohnson6203 Před 2 lety +8

    Sepp Kuss 👏👏👏
    So proud!

  • @2310baz
    @2310baz Před 2 lety +8

    The Return of Ciao

  • @nawazmohamed4871
    @nawazmohamed4871 Před 2 lety +2

    amazing victory he show courage and strength........good job as well jumbo visma ....

  • @brahmsianer5899
    @brahmsianer5899 Před 2 lety

    Gorgeous sportsmanship of Mas and Roglic after the stage!

  • @AZdroptop
    @AZdroptop Před 2 lety

    I would have loved for the TV crew to get some kind of side shots on this climb! It was tough to see just how steep it was. Awesome review as always.

  • @jozetrselic
    @jozetrselic Před 2 lety +2

    Thank you LR

  • @scotlander5846
    @scotlander5846 Před 2 lety

    Excited to see Mas performance in mountain 🏔️

  • @regislopez-kaufman8542

    Your the man at making recaps !!

  • @arfanfaisal8548
    @arfanfaisal8548 Před 2 lety +1

    Oof respect to LR for visualising that power data for us as they climb. No idea how he did that. High quality video for sure

  • @captainsushi24
    @captainsushi24 Před 2 lety +7

    It hurt just watching that climb 😖

  • @BushTelegraph
    @BushTelegraph Před 2 lety +1

    Roglic is a lot of fun too ... Primos did not want the red jersey but he wanted to win the stage.
    He timed it to perfection!

  • @andrewward3752
    @andrewward3752 Před 2 lety +2

    It's been a great race so far!

  • @Ryz414
    @Ryz414 Před 2 lety +10

    This is why the Vuelta is better then the Tour.

  • @JeffMortonRacing
    @JeffMortonRacing Před 2 lety

    Nice overlay & analysis of watts from Kuss. Did anyone else notice MCN was on a System Six? Not sure what gearing he had but wonder if that made much difference up the final climb 🤔

  • @samwalschap791
    @samwalschap791 Před 2 lety

    @Lanterne Rouge, could you make an analysis video of the Druivenkoers in Overijse of today? I'm happy that Evenepoel is getting back to his previous level. Thanks for the content!

  • @cb6866
    @cb6866 Před 2 lety

    Thank you........Peace

  • @ghettoqueue
    @ghettoqueue Před 2 lety

    I like ypu analysis in terms of power cadance and etc..

  • @LennieNelson55
    @LennieNelson55 Před 2 lety +1

    Magnus is a beast. Giving me late career Hushovd vibes rn.

  • @paulsolon6229
    @paulsolon6229 Před 2 lety

    What a race!

  • @joeviloria2494
    @joeviloria2494 Před 2 lety

    Quite notable that there is no Alaphilippe nor Valverde here but still, Roglic is a monster climber. What a stage, what an emphatic win. La Vuelta is not his yet but he is inching rather rapidly into reclaiming his Red jersey.

  • @RB..1
    @RB..1 Před 2 lety +33

    Roglic finished like he was on a training ride, didn’t look exhausted like the others immediately clinging on to the barriers. 🤔

    • @freakdog
      @freakdog Před 2 lety +12

      Slovenian mineral water... 😂

    • @chrisko6439
      @chrisko6439 Před 2 lety +9

      When you win you don't feel pain and fatigue as much as in defeat.

    • @bobo-ph6xm
      @bobo-ph6xm Před 2 lety +2

      @@freakdog You mean the one they are pouring on him after the stage...🤣🤣🤣

    • @freakdog
      @freakdog Před 2 lety

      @@bobo-ph6xm 🤣👍

  • @zzhughesd
    @zzhughesd Před 2 lety +2

    LR, on the POD think you got the Northern and Southern Hemispheres wrong, kinda burnt my head

  • @alvaroparra2292
    @alvaroparra2292 Před 2 lety

    insane what these riders do! great video!

  • @digamondvonn
    @digamondvonn Před 2 lety +5

    Imagine the emotions in movistar team rn. Been watching their docu in netflix.

  • @jl2525
    @jl2525 Před 2 lety +1

    Was he even puffing at the end? Incredible

  • @sharpcsc998
    @sharpcsc998 Před 2 lety +3

    I’m enjoying this years Vuelta, Roglic strong as ever, his to lose, nice to see Maas stepping up, he seems to have lacked confidence and legs till now. But what is going on at Ineos - they look out pretty out classed at present ?

    • @elbrayan3512
      @elbrayan3512 Před 2 lety +1

      One of the principals problems for Ineos is that their liders aren't helping each other like MAS and Lopez. Bernal and Yates are racing only with their interest on mind; added with the lack or forces, it creates a constantly lost of time. Also, Ineos didn't find that "super domestique" on Carapaz. At last, their strategies are too aggressive for the form of Bernal and Yates

  • @dididubalier2196
    @dididubalier2196 Před 2 lety +1

    Enric Mas is cooking paella for everyone this vuelta!
    Movistar with clear ideas, craaaazy!

  • @grey_fox7
    @grey_fox7 Před 2 lety

    When you say he went over his limit, what are you specifically referring to? I imagine we're talking his energy expenditure. But from practical perspective, is this more based on how the guy is "feeling" on a particular day or is it based on hard numbers where a rider knows he can only do X watts for Y seconds before he burns out? Does their bike computer tell then when they've moved into the red?

    • @LanterneRougeCycling
      @LanterneRougeCycling  Před 2 lety

      For Kuss he went way harder on that 30s section leading out Roglic than he would have if he was pacing the climb for his own GC position, so he exceeded whatever his possible max 2:30 power in that 30s to help Roglic

  • @meeehh.
    @meeehh. Před 2 lety

    Do they climb in big front gear?

  • @jirihutecka9020
    @jirihutecka9020 Před 2 lety +3

    I can't imagine riding bike 25% hill. Here where I live are some sections of climbs maybe 13-15% max and that's extreme for me. 25% is just crazy lol..

    • @watcheurpathelastbattle5064
      @watcheurpathelastbattle5064 Před 2 lety +1

      one of my regular climbs includes a 30% stretch - it's a struggle to just turn the pedals - my speed is like 3-4kmh - lol

  • @matjaz6745
    @matjaz6745 Před 2 lety +1

    Rogla... Good luck.. 👍🏻

  • @kaltonian
    @kaltonian Před 2 lety

    at times i think this tour is one of the toughest and at time beating le tour

  • @XsPoPPoX
    @XsPoPPoX Před 2 lety +9

    vamos a la playa eh

  • @davidparrott2090
    @davidparrott2090 Před 2 lety

    was that a Magnus CN super tuck at 1:30???

    • @tubbytoast2
      @tubbytoast2 Před 2 lety +2

      Nope that's an ' Old fashion' tuck his backside is still on the seat totally legal 👍

  • @elifriedman317
    @elifriedman317 Před 2 lety +26

    RAMPAAAAS INHUMANAS

  • @czeckson74
    @czeckson74 Před 2 lety

    Großschartner is in good shape

  • @orangeorphan
    @orangeorphan Před 2 lety

    I’d like to see Roglic’s power data when he went for the line.

  • @fambax2248
    @fambax2248 Před 2 lety +1

    Why are the live stage images used here not the highest quality? seems like its recorded with 480p res or something. would be nice to see that upgraded. Otherwise, another great recap.

    • @LanterneRougeCycling
      @LanterneRougeCycling  Před 2 lety +17

      The part with the power data overlay seems to be lower than 1080p because the software to produce that has spat it out at a lower quality

    • @Seaweedaids
      @Seaweedaids Před 2 lety +14

      @@LanterneRougeCycling worth it for the addition of the data great work mate

  • @HeidiLandRover
    @HeidiLandRover Před 2 lety

    I have no idea what those squiggly lines are. Other than that, another excellent analysis vid.

  • @ryanphelan6861
    @ryanphelan6861 Před 2 lety +2

    pretty sure purito won this climb one year vague memory or similar what a stage. Just so many people riding well great race.... roglic core strength is outrageous

  • @yumyumhungry
    @yumyumhungry Před 2 lety

    Unbelievable how hard multiple teams had to drill the front to just barely catch Magnus Cort

  • @hernanhernandez3861
    @hernanhernandez3861 Před 2 lety

    Sepp Kuss 700+ watt punch to lead out on a +20% climb after a long stage. Yeah. Good thing I never went pro; I would have sucked...

  • @DurianriderCyclingTips

    Rim brake marketplace value just dropped another 23%

  • @Probo495
    @Probo495 Před 2 lety +1

    roglic and pogacar maybe, true climber

  • @derrickemptage854
    @derrickemptage854 Před 2 lety

    Wait till the cumbrian stage of the tour of Britain. They are a few killers but I think the worst one is Alston high street and if it rains . It will be vertically impossible to ride it .

  • @sean7098
    @sean7098 Před 2 lety

    Caruso for KOM. Him / Bouchard / Bardet are the only ones going for it so far I think.

  • @paulsolon6229
    @paulsolon6229 Před 2 lety +1

    Use of crazy as an adjective

  • @nuggunu
    @nuggunu Před 2 lety +2

    Can Eiking win the Vuelta? :D what do you think abbout his chances?

    • @andrew7taylor
      @andrew7taylor Před 2 lety +3

    • @LanterneRougeCycling
      @LanterneRougeCycling  Před 2 lety +12

      Yes he will definitely win

    • @fuzzybee3788
      @fuzzybee3788 Před 2 lety +2

      Almost guaranteed

    • @nuggunu
      @nuggunu Před 2 lety +1

      @@LanterneRougeCycling guys come on XD I just don't have any clue about what he's capable of and after 50% of the vuelta he had a 2 min gap on roglic. it is so reprehensible to ask? =D ​ @Fuzzy Bee

    • @andrew7taylor
      @andrew7taylor Před 2 lety +1

      @@nuggunu I was dead serious. He has almost no chance. That's exactly why he lost so much time that the GC contenders were comfortable letting him in the breakaway the other day, let him get the leader's jersey with so much time in hand.
      He lost a minute in the 7 km time trial, 1:30 on Picón Blanco, 1:10 on Cullera, 0:40 on Balcón de Alicante, 4 minutes (!) on Alto de Velefique...
      It's pretty safe to say that he's not anywhere close to be a good enough climber to challenge for anything.

  • @DurianriderCyclingTips
    @DurianriderCyclingTips Před 2 lety +1

    Dropping Kuss at 900w then talking and looking back.
    Then surging again over 900w to pass Cort like he is a keto rider on a lunch spin...

  • @olivercarpenter7563
    @olivercarpenter7563 Před 2 lety +1

    I feel like Mathews burnt himself at the bottom of the climb, trying to catch Cort Nielsen out of obligation to his team that worked so hard. Then when Kuss kicks, he gets shelled.
    I think BEX felt they needed a fast man to beat Rog today, when as we saw someone like Howson or Schulz might have actually finished at the pointy end if they were the protected rider. I do wonder when Gerry Ryan will get over not winning anything. Lots of strange decisions over the years, none more than the Hamilton over Haig choice.

    • @olivercarpenter7563
      @olivercarpenter7563 Před 2 lety

      And regarding the Green Jersey and trying to get Bling points... There is no guarantee Jakobsen makes it to Madrid, first grand tour in years and stage 15 could take some victims

  • @ReAIex17
    @ReAIex17 Před 2 lety

    I think Lopez is really strong and would do better if he wasnt in a team with Mas because he always needs to hold back if Mas attacks.

  • @janbonsema5888
    @janbonsema5888 Před 2 lety

    crazy , insane, whatever, sheesh.....

  • @fernandovillarreal4982

    I think they were trying to find a way for Magnus Cort to win the stage...

  • @TauxWau
    @TauxWau Před 2 lety +2

    Mas blundered by going 250 out. He needs to stay on Roglic's wheel even if it means Cort Nielsen wins. Roglic is the favorite, you're never going to win if you lead him out, and Mas looked strong enough that there's a small chance he could have won if he played it differently.
    As for the Roglic-Mas bump, looks like Roglic took the best line even though that didn't follow the curve of the road and that almost pinched Mas.

  • @YonandYon_613
    @YonandYon_613 Před 2 lety

    Feel bad for the EF guy, so cruel

  • @thebatman3782
    @thebatman3782 Před 2 lety

    Mas is doing 500w while talking to Roglic. What in the actual fukc.

  • @anthonyhomercycling
    @anthonyhomercycling Před 2 lety

    Magnus created 5 extra accounts to disliked this video 😆 130k before worlds would be awesome!

  • @TeamGlasshole
    @TeamGlasshole Před 2 lety

    Sepp

  • @jordyschonkeren
    @jordyschonkeren Před 2 lety +11

    Roglic never says anything useful in his interviews 😂. It is said he does this on purpose, it’s a game to him to use as much platitudes as possible.

    • @markopodganjek845
      @markopodganjek845 Před 2 lety +9

      You need google translate and read his native language interviews.
      It is Much more useful if you want know interesting things.
      His english vocabulary is very badic

    • @colmsheahan6991
      @colmsheahan6991 Před 2 lety +10

      @@markopodganjek845 Badic is the perfect word to describe a Roglic interview

    • @tudidingsapparel7197
      @tudidingsapparel7197 Před 2 lety +2

      Nba players/coaches also talked like this during their interview. They won't spill any tactics, just some casual words for the average fan.

  • @paulsolon6229
    @paulsolon6229 Před 2 lety +1

    If roglic is injured tomorrow will be more sore than today.
    If wounds are oozing, unknown, then tonight means two nights of bad sleep, on top of x soreness tomorrow
    And usually it’s 3d day after crash that is most sore, on top of 3 nights of poor sleep.
    The size and extent of his open wounds unknown to me. Anyone?

  • @zealman79
    @zealman79 Před 2 lety +1

    just having a cazh conversation pushing 6 hundy up 20 something percent gradient, what is this a sunday ride or they on some good roids lol

    • @thebatman3782
      @thebatman3782 Před 2 lety

      EPO is not considered a steroid.

    • @zealman79
      @zealman79 Před 2 lety

      @@thebatman3782 I was talking about haemorrhoids

  • @XDEMIGODXx
    @XDEMIGODXx Před 2 lety +2

    First

  • @DominicPannell
    @DominicPannell Před 2 lety

    Roglič is amazing, but my big question is why are you not commentating for the Beeb, Channel 4, ITV or Sky here in the UK (apologies to their usual people but) you knock the socks off their pundits. Go sell your skills, we need you!

    • @LanterneRougeCycling
      @LanterneRougeCycling  Před 2 lety

      I made some videos for ITV last year but this year I purchased the highlights rights myself for the channel. Otherwise, no one has ever asked me to do live commentary

    • @DominicPannell
      @DominicPannell Před 2 lety

      ​@@LanterneRougeCycling For what it's worth, I think your views are tons better than what is offered by the big girls & boys now - I personally watch two sets of highlights during the big races... the early ones to get up to speed and then yours to find out what actually happened. I value yours much more highly. I wish you great success. I enjoyed your ITV vids last year. Much better than their usual offering, IMHO.

  • @paulsolon6229
    @paulsolon6229 Před 2 lety +1

    Maas: don’t lead roglic! Only take a pull if you are w him alone in a two man break. And even then only do minority work and make him do 65%. If he won’t then let the grp behind catch you.
    Don’t pull for roglic! Stop it

    • @mikeheywood7521
      @mikeheywood7521 Před 2 lety

      I think when the climb is that steep, the speed is low enough that drafting just isn't a thing

  • @sergioyovanisanchez7926
    @sergioyovanisanchez7926 Před 2 lety +1

    I can't believe it primoz has a better electronic Motor or Magnetic 🧲 any or well Eric Más talking hey my battery is low I can't fight for The Sprint go head partner jajaja what a guy shame

  • @HudoHudHudec
    @HudoHudHudec Před 2 lety

    Cyclinsts are now more interested in their cycling computer then in celebrating victories. FFS, that is idiotic in my opinion (which does not count I guess).Every stage, even on sprint stages, intead of breaking, ppl at the back of the group are looking down to stop their timers.... pending disasters waiting to happpen.