The TRUTH about Woven Weed Free Landscape Garden Fabric.
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- The TRUTH about WOVEN WEED FREE LANDSCAPE FABRIC is it Organic. Lets find out.
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Thnx. Didn't know about the cardboard. Planet is shrouded in pollutants. My last hope is to get the soil in my raised beds in a state where it can harbour a lot of different micro organisms that can take care of a lot contaminants. A year ago I started to add charcoal to my compost heap. The micro pores in the charcoal seem also beneficial for many mico organisms. I suspect the leaves you use also are very rich in a wide range of highly trained urban microbes and fungi and are adding to your soil resilience. Greetings from Holland where many people drink "purified" water from the river Rhine that has passed a couple of sewage treatment plants upriver.
I am so glad you have a fantastic understanding of soil . THANK YOU for sharing.
Thank you Mark for doing the research. I think we can assume micro plastics are in everything. Also, I found a Canadian link to OMRI, for this Canadian neighbor
THANK YOU for sharing your view. And Hello Beautiful Canada
Another great educational video, like most have said, I didn't know about the cardboard. The petroleum industry really has impacted the world. While I love cars etc, plastic is a bit of a sleeping devil. Cheers mate, please, stay safe everyone!!
I fully understand what you are saying. Cheers .
Thank you for taking the time to give us the information needed to make choices that suit each of our circumstances . Much appreciated as always. Stay safe.
Very well said. THANK YOU.
Hi, Mark. Glad to hear from you again. That Ida was a really strong storm. Sorry for all the loss of life up there. I didn't know that about recycled cardboard. It's always something. We people are kind of between a rock and hard place. You have to do what you can to get your farm planted and your soil protected and the food grown. Rock on.
Thank you kindly
Appreciate your addressing this issue and doing the research.
THANK YOU so very kindly. Happy gardening.
As usual, very informative. I learn something new from you with each video. Thank you
My pleasure to share. And THANK YOU.
Great video Mark, you could literally spend a week on this subject. We use the same fabric and all have pros and cons. Where it shines is weed suppression and raising soil temps.
I agree, maybe even a month about this topic. THANKS
Thanks mate. Always appreciate the info and perspectives.
My pleasure to share with you all. THANK YOU so very much.
Mark; you can only do what you can do and you do it well through a thoughtful process.
THANK YOU for your outlook.
We have 80 acres in the middle of a National Forest on the west coast. We've grown and eaten organically for over 50 years. I've laid down tons of chips both from roadside chippers and my own chipper. We are older. It's only been a few years since I started using a tiller or even a tractor. (I once had a pair of oxen that I trained). We have a serious issue with bind weed (wild morning glory) and foxtail grasses. The bindweed presses up through 6 inches of chips and forms a mat several inches thick on top of the chips. It's a pain. We have a garden, two small vineyards, two small orchards, and black elderberry hedge row and fifteen bees hives. This year we laid down landscape fabric from dewitt on top of the chips to suppress weeds. We are minimizing the breakdown of the landscape fabric by covering it with another 4 - 6 inches of chips. I truly have a disdain for plastic and its impact on the natural world. Like you I am compromising until a better solution is found. I am hoping that a plant based product that has longevity will be made to suppress weeds long enough to eliminate seed viability. In the mean time polypropylene it is. I've used polypropylene pipes and drip irrigation for years and years. We couldn't do it otherwise.
To line or not line...it's such a touchy subject. I have raised beds and line them with woven weed mat to keep out tough creeping grass and weed roots. Lining also helps to stop ants from setting up home in the beds. People say 'well what about the worms'. I have worm farms and top dress my raised beds with worm castings which feeds the top few inches of soil where the feeder roots are 😊
Excellent research and thanks for sharing your findings !!!
I don’t know how you have time to do all you do 🤷🏼♀️
Blessings to you and your family !!!!
THANK YOU so very much for your kind words. I enjoy sharing and watching gardening the way you also do.
Thank you Mark.
Enlightening as usual.
Glad you enjoyed it
I have used DeWitt UltraWeb 3000 which is a lower grade than the DeWitt Sunbelt you have used here. In one of my plots that is 30 feet deep and only 8 feet across and has walls or is fenced on each side except 1 of the 8 foot sides. I have had it in place for over 10 years now. I grow my corn in this plot, I remove this once a year to add fertilizer and compost.
It is very important that you don't cut the landscape fabric, It frays very easily. So I use a cookie sheet with a hole in the middle to burn holes where I want to plant. if you do this right, it makes a good bead around the edge.
To cut the ends I put down two 2 X 4's down with 3 to 4 inch between them. Then I use a torch to burn the swath between the 2 X 4's. This puts a nice bead on both of sides that will not fray.
Hi Mark… great topic, although touchy for some. I agree with you about plastics. It has been around for so very long & people are just in recent years becoming concerned. As we should be. We see the chaos presently & how shipping has been affected & down the line.
My gson & I had a discussion about growing organic. IMHO everything is contaminated. We live in Nevada & all the nuclear testing many years ago is still here. No matter what, if the wind blows so stuff goes.
My son is in the drilling industry & Many people are very negative about this subject. But like you said, so many daily things are made of plastic & some people are disrespectful regarding the disposal of it. Vehicles used to be made of metal…. Now it’s plastic
So yes, each person has to be their own judge on what they will or will not use. And WHAT is available.
Thank you for the chat. I standing in the kitchen making my apple butter while listening to you.
Have a great day 👵🏻👩🌾❣️
I use landscape fabric too. I can't garden without it because of weed pressure.
Good soil biology can and does break down pollutants including petroleum inputs.
This would make for a good discussion. John S.
THANK YOU John S. That would be a good talk about. To my understand the soil binds bad things to a carbon molecule and holds it in the soil.
Yes pretty much. As long as it is a quality product.
We used fabric on some of our tomatoes and peppers this year and it is fantastic.
Wonderful!
Wow.... hope you can get a good price for your produce with those taxes. Thanks for the video.
I use that stuff (along with galvanized welded mesh) to make air pruning planters and raised beds. Best bang for buck by far.
WOW, THANK YOU for sharing this idea.
I use the landscape fabric around my raised beds. I staple them along the edges and down the middle approx. 12" apart. I live in a windy area which has seen over 50 mph winds almost every planting season and have never had any problem with wind. If staples aren't placed close together, the fabric will get blown around. Good luck!
Sounds great! THANK YOU.
Great information like as always 👍👍
THANK YOU so very kindly.
Very interesting and thank you for sharing. Don’t they dye colored wood chip mulch with arsenic which I think would be worse for our health than cardboard boxes and landscaping fabric.
No, they did a Ban on it in the US and UK in 2013.
We've put it off for years, but we're gonna use it this year....and we HATE anything plastic. But, we bought this homestead in the mountains, and the only flat place we had to build and garden near the cabin has a knotweed issue. That stuff is the spawn of satan, so while we're getting that under control, this is option A. Thanks for the info.
Mark, I use that same weed barrier .. I see you are using 6" staples in loose soil so thats why the wind can raise it up. How far do you space your staples? I use the 8" ones every foot ... seems to work great and no problems with wind ... I go thru a lot of staples. But you have very good loose soil, so not sure if even the 8" ones would hold yours down good.
Same space you do. But will try the 8 inch ones. THANK YOU for sharing.
Try 2foot by 2 foot. 2 foot row 2 foot fabric. Easy to weed yet large enough row for all kinds of crops. Example 3 rows of corn per row,. Plots for carrots, radish, lettuce two rows of beans per 2 foot plot. Just bury the edges of the fabric in the ground and use staples. Cover the fabric with gravel so it lasts.
Just a side note. I grow wheat grass. When I have it, I fill my nutra bullet with grass, churn it up, strain it and drink it. It feels like it cleans up my gut etc. No shot glass, no mandatory every day. When I have it, I drink it and I add a capful of apple cider vinegar.
Just plastic and how it effects our body and perhaps our minds.We contact plastic every day and perhaps every meal.Mental health and perhaps all cancers are just too many possibilities.
Thanks for the questioning.
$$$$$ is a factor. I believe the flavor and health benefits is why I garden and if cost more it's OK but I cut corners so to keep it as nonprofit or preferably a savings.
Mark thanks for talking about what concern both of us.....
What about using burlap? I use it to cover things I don't want exposed to full sun like my finished leaf mould pile.
Sure, you can also add brown paper underneath for even less light in the garden. Thanks
Mark, could you not incorporate cover crops as your mulch/soil armor? For bigger no-till operations there's no-till seeders now or even machines that will get past the mulch layer from a cover crop to seed. Probably not applicable here as it's expensive initial purchase last I heard.
I know you were using some cover crops last year. Also, for many reasons that I know you're aware of, it will do much better than any inorganic mulches and even better than other organic mulches (e.g. living roots, exudates, soil structure, glomalin, mycorrhizae, etc)
As an aside, in my very small backyard urban plot, I planted a mix of crimson clover, red clover, buckwheat, and spring wheat 2-3 weeks ago (was supposed to be hard red/winter wheat, but the producer and store had the product poorly labelled and believed it was hard red wheat when I bought, but instead later informed me after sowing that it was spring wheat). I suppose I won't have a living root in ground over winter besides the hardneck garlic I'll be growing in part of the plot.
I will remove to woven fabric in 2 months or less and plant my normal cover crop of winter rye for my living root like I have done for the last 12 years. My problem now is we have had over 24 inch's of rain in the last 3 to 4 weeks. That is why I have not plant the veg seeds yet which is 3 weeks behind doing right now. Thanks for asking.
Sometimes perfect is the enemy of good.
Nicely said. THANK YOU.
Cardboard : the glossy, sometimes plastic covered cardboard boxes can be easily peeled to reveal the bare cardboard underneath. Without insulting anybody, it all depends on how eager you are to do it. I love plain old Amazon boxes, the more the better. I shred the smaller ones to fed to my worm bins. In one bin, worms ate two inches of shredded cardboard in a week!
You can try sand bags to hold down the fabric.
Good Idea. Thanks.
Welcome to my world:) Wood chips and many of the things that I see as "free resources" on CZcams has been gobbled up by companies here in NZ for a long time and we're forced to buy it from landscaping companies.
I fully understand..
What I think we need to remember is will the non organic particles that are going into the soil be plant available, Mark you have done numerous videos on plant available nutrients. Will these plastics, rubber etc be broken down into a solution that plants can take up, will the micro organisms break them into that solution, I personally don't think it is a concern to use woven fabric or cardboard to supress weeds and protect your soil from erosion etc. As for weeds, I tend to let them grow unless they get larger than the plant then i just cut the tops before going to seed and my crops grow just as well plus other benefits are putting carbon back into the soil, help with moisture retention and cut down on new weed growth.
Chris from England
You bring up a very good point. To the best of my knowledge the plant will no take it up. The reason is tht the plant controls what it needs, there is nothing in this woven plastic that the plant needs. That is why it takes hundreds of years to break down. Not by microbes . Thanks
I pull off every label and tape from the cardboard before I lay it down. Tape and labels go in the trash. Only way to do it.
Great point. THANK YOU.
Where did you purchase it from
Amazon..com Dewitt sunbelt landscape fabric 4 x 300 feet
Let’s not forget that even the leaves that you use have probably absorbed those “micro-plastic” particles...
True.
Really appreciate the update on cardboard boxes, that is news to me. Haven't been using it that much so no big loss really. I will stick to what comes from nature directly ... leaves, wood-chips and low seed hay all harvested on the farm. If it takes work to produce or collect on farm so be it. Don't forget that if you get the fungus to bacterial ration 1:1 the weeds will not grow in the first place.
14k taxation on the farm is criminal, and if it forces farmers to use unnatural methods to grow crops it is double criminal, shame on them. It takes courage to make a living farming while also keeping chemicals out of the garden. There is going to have to be a time when environmental and health concerns will not be forgiving.
Well Said, This year do to over 24 inch's of rain and lack of sun the soil food web is not working very well. The 1 : 1 ratio does work and have seen it in my garden and farm. But with this extreme weather it does not. That is why I am using this woven fabric to 2 months only. Thanks
I was considering plastic, decided on burlap.
Good choice, Thanks
I’m in NJ and wood chips are easy to get for free from the tree cutting company, cardboard are free for me because of my job it’s plain cardboard and I took off any tape and what ever it is.
Problem with weed cloth is it doesn’t allow worms to rise to the surface and they die.
I have notice the does not happen.
Why not plant some Sudan grass and grow your own mulch? Could have had those rows seeded in the time it took to make this video.
I have gotten of 24 inch's of rain in the last month. Nothing is growing well , plus lack of sun and make thing very weak. Need to protect the soil now. Thanks for asking.
To me, using plastic landscape fabric that breaks down into microplastics, is not "organic farming." and I think you need to disclose this to your customers that think you're "organic farming". there's some initial evidence of endocrine anomalies due to microplastics in our bodies. Stripping the tape and label from cardboard seems to be an easier, less toxic solution. And finally using less plastic is better than continuing to use plastic. It's always a choice. Our earth day motto this year, choose the planet over plastic. Just some thoughts
My customers come to my farm and see what I do when they buy from me, I have my own farm stand here. THANKS
yep cardboard is bad like the fabric,,,,, BUT that box is being absorbed 100% down into the soil. That fabric is not, so its not as bad to use as cardboard.
The title makes the discussion kind of silly. No. Plastic fabric is not organic.
The organic certification org now labels hydroponic veggies acceptable, when growing in living soil was originally (and should remain) a central tenet of organic.
In other words, like most of our government, the organization has been coopted by financial interests.
Their approval of the use of plastic fabric is meaningless.
Cost issues don't alter the definition of the word organic either.
Sorry Mark. It's a tough discussion to get into, but if you use the word "truth" in the title, integrity demands sticking to it.
THANK YOU for your opinion .
@@iamorganicgardening- the dictionary defines the word. My opinion would be to use living pathways.
@flatsville1 - the mentality that this discussion is unnecessary and should not be had is concerning to me.
The mentality that there are potentially bigger problems in the world, so smaller problems should be ignored is concerning to me too.
So, while far from my "biggest" concern, it's a justifiable concern for more than the reasons Mark discussed.
As I noted in my initial comment to Mark, organic standards have already been watered down against the recommendations of the advisory board and the wishes of the vast majority of organic farmers by the undue influence of financial interests. Such clear corruption of the organic standards speaks to the lack of integrity of the people involved in maintaining those standards.
The absence of proof of harm from the use of landscape fabric is not the same as proof of safety. And claims of safety from an industry whose profits hinge on continued use of the product should always be doubted, particularly since plastic contamination of our ecosystems is so widespread.
But the bigger picture discussion should include the known problems of pollution associated with the extraction and refining of oil and the use of other chemicals to produce the product, the pollution from the manufacture of the product, the pollution from the transportation of the product, and the pollution from the disposal and disintegration of the product.
Those issues are undeniable, and anybody endorsing the product is creating increased demand and therefore exacerbating those problems.
Is landscape fabric organic? No.
Is the use of landscape fabric allowed under current organic standards? Yes.
Should it be allowed? I don't think so.
The associated problems are out of step with the reasoning behind organic farming.
Have a good day.
@@iamorganicgardening theory is all good until reality sets in.:)
@flatsville1 - unlike the use of plastic landscape fabric, my suggested alternative of living pathways requires no inputs.
But since you'd rather self-own and go back to name calling than respond to what I wrote, I'll just bid you a fine day.
for petes sake . its the world we live in . where does it end.. oh Iknow