Just Flight Piper PA-38 Tomahawk - First Look Review! - MSFS.
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- čas přidán 9. 06. 2024
- Just Flight's highly anticipated Piper PA-38 Tomahawk is here and she's a beauty! Let's take a spin! (Literally!)
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As a real world Tomahawk pilot with over 56 hours, there's a heck of a lot right with the JustFlight model, but a few things that really need to be addressed in an update. On the walk around in particular. They have you checking fuel from the rear side of the wing, this is impossible for humans to do, our arms DON'T reach anywhere near the fuel caps from the back side of the wing, nor can you see inside to see the metal tab which indicates full fuel. The fuel checks are always and can only be done at the front side of the wing. Secondly when the right side of the engine cowl they list check spark plugs. Well this also isn't possible, because the spark plugs are a part of the magneto system and are inside the engine, you can't pull them out and you can't inspect them. The engine compartment check is to check spark plug and magneto wires and attachment points, as well as checking there is no build up of oil, leaks, birds nests etc, that's all that can be done. Also the stall characteristics on wing drop are far too extreme, if you are holding wings level and rudder amidships, you will not get a snap roll once you hit the stall, the wing drop may have been the case before Piper fixed the issue by adding extra stall strips in late 1978, this is well documented. I've done many many stalls in the Tomahawk and never did I ever get a wing drop unless I had some form of control input on the ailerons. Again it's *almost* a perfect representation of the Tomahawk, but these are glaring mistakes on JustFlight's part that I hope they address in a future update. I may have to go out and film with an Instructor to prove my points. Looking at the landing they have not modeled the stall speed properly, full flap stall is 49 KIAS, you are below 40 KIAS before the stall warning goes off. Will bug JustFlight about that as soon as I have the aircraft and do an in depth real world pilot review.
On a side note, the walk around is done clockwise, starting with the left rear wing and moving around the aircraft till you reach the left hand door and climb into the cockpit ready to start the engine. This is also indicated on the ipad with the direction of the arrows and follows the checklist in the Pilot Operating Handbook. Also don't miss the overheat latch for the doors when you open or close them. Now on the initial startup checklist it should be an clockwise check that starts checking your master switches, instruments, radios (check atis), down to the circuit breakers, primer (as required, then off and locked), mixture full rich, fuel tank, crack open throttle 1cm, parking brake set, lights (nav & strobe), fuel pump on, check all around then call clear prop, and engage the starter. Check oil pressure and temperature within limits within 30 seconds, fuel pressure ok, fuel pump off. It is a systematic way to go through your checklist by heart and not miss anything, Rotate is at 55 kias (manual says 53, but in actual use 55 is where the line is). Standard take off in the Tomahawk is no flaps, only ever use one stage if obstructions ahead like for short field take off. You totally missed doing a runup check, and checking magnetos. Also at that stage fuel pump on for take off and switch off at 500' AGL. Also climb and descent/approach airspeed in the circuit is 70 KIAS.
@@digital_aviator I have also flown Piper Tomahawk in my flight school before, but our takeoff configuration was flaps 1 instead of no flaps despite our training airport's runway is long enough to accommodate 60+ seater turboprop airliners. Maybe there are companies who don't use the standard flapless takeoff.
Thank you for the video! You German pronunciation is already better than my English :) I love this little Piper. The cockpit looks so real, the visibility is great. Perfect plane to do short hops between small airfields.
NZD 61.40. For my XBox-X which I was happy with as I have many good memories of flying this for my PPL back in the 1980’s! Have done one flight so far, keen on lots more! Thanks for the review. Laurie. NZ. 😊
Awesome aircraft. Will be picking it up soon for sure.. Thank-you..
Nice flying , great video . Thank you .
Great Video as usual. My most used aircraft is the Bulldog, do you reckon this is sufficiently different? I can't get excited by the Commanche as an aircraft but the Tomahawk looks like it ticks lots of the A2A boxes
and already an update QUAAA and another great video thank you
Nice Review, thank you!
I mean it looks nice, but the fact that it wasn't even stalling at 38 knots when Vs0 is 48 and Vs1 is 52 knots, I mean that's just way off.
13:16 What you said about the T tail and trim at certain attitudes .....makes a lot of sense now . Thank you as I found it a bit pitch sensitive , maybe that's why or well im a bull in a China shop !!!!! lol
Looks like you had auto-switch fuel tanks enabled on the tablet. Great video. It’s informative and fun.
That might have done it!
I only had Elevator trim on the PA38-112 here glass cockpit not a option in the 90’s :)
To enter a spin:
stall
Traumahawk usually does not stall symmetrically - kick full rudder in the direction of low wing, keep it for about half a turn.
You should be now in a spin.
To recover:
Keep Calm
Reduce throttle to idle
All controls in neutrum
Identify the direction of spin
Apply full rudder in opposite direction
Immediately after that apply full stick forward
wait for the stop of spin.
As the plane stops turning, rudder to neutrum
Pull stick gently
Apply throttle smoothly
As the horizon begins to approach the mask, push the stick to not overshoot the recovery.
Adjust throttle
As you see, you would not use ailerons throughout. Except it is possible to enter a spin from a turn:
Fly slow
Enter shallow turn
Overruder the turn
Apply stick full back
I did not try it on Tomahawk yet but it works with hard-to-spin models (and in real life it is main cause of crushes on turn-to-final)
Typical spin recovery technique... idle, rudder, stick power.
I was trying to induce one with an AOA stall but i wasn't giving it enough beans I think.
@AvAngel I think exactly that. Traumahawk is infamous for entering the spin spontaneously from stall, but in this model I could not reproduce it so far. But a tad of encouragement with rudder and who-hooo!
BTW spin recovery I have added for general interest. I know you can recover.
Thanks for the review. Maybe 2 years ago this addon and price would have done something for me, but my single engine GA hangar is jam-packed. I might buy it if I had flown this aircraft IRL, but otherwise it's a nice looking pass.
When opening or locking the doors, you need to also operate the latch on the roof. This seals the doors correctly. Not obvious but I went Solo in this one so became very familiar with it. I was pleasantly surprised with the realism and the memories it provided. Thanks for the video.
I do that several times in the video 😀
A great first look AvAngel. Would you buy this with your own money though considering it only does 107 KTAS? I'm so tempted but like to sightsee but don't have all day to do it in the sim. In real life, I would love one of these! PS Why no engine sound at startup or was it turned down?
I did... I buy most things I review with my own money. if i was given something I ALWAYS state it in the video.
Would I buy it just for my own use? in this case yes.
There's a lot of little things that I'm being really picky about with this plane but even with that said I judge planes on one thing and one thing only, am I mad that I spent $41.99, (okay 2 things) and do I still want to be flying it when it's time for me to hit the sack. And I can say that I'm not disappointed at all that I spent $41.99 and I did want to fly it more when I had to get off the sim last night.
@@AvAngel I can tell that your real world pilot skills are great yet are the enemy for doing the simulated spin.
From training, we are focused on avoiding incipient spin. And if it ever happens, then we instinctively know to get out of it INSTANTLY vs letting it fully develop. You did a great job getting out while losing minimal altitude.
Others’ videos are almost scary - they keep the throttle at max and DRIVE the spin and, wow, do they spin! Good job saving yourself and any potential passengers. 😉
I can see myself see myself flying this.
I have already replaced the Grip Tape on the wings, what the hell is that on the wings where the grip tape is supposed to be?
I will say I did get one random failure yesterday where my ailerons quit working and I had to turn back to the airport that was pretty fun maneuvering that without ailerons but then it happened one more time within a 3-hour flight that I lost ailerons and rudder, what are the chances of that not realistic but the first time it DID feel awesome.
The spin I found not too bad , I heard it was a bad feature of this training Aircraft . Maybe we are just good at spin recovery 🙂
Perhaps you may get a better climb speed if you lean the mixture a bit
Wasn’t that high up, just a weed wacker engine
I guess the closest English pronunciation of "See" is the English way of saying "zay". It's not a 100% match, but it comes the closest...lol
Nice and very entertaining review as always. I feel this is an expertly built and textured model of a plane I don't really care for...lol, but thanks for your fun review and getting us back down safely!
One day I'll get it.
@@AvAngel ... No worries, you are doing great! This is just fine tuning...lol
Why does the nose drop when flaps are lowered and how do we not over control when that happens
It's one of those things. Pipers do the same thing with the low wing, Cessnas tend to nose up. One expects it and responds accordingly. The tip is to not over control it before hand :D
Still better than a DA20 tho 😅
hi what is this place
Great review... Thank you... Unfortunately, whilst the aircraft itself is incredibly realistic, it also lacks excitement... Roger... Pembrokeshire..
It is a little mild yes
Too late, Madam, I already bought it. My honest feelings are mixed if talk about extras, bells & whistles, but boy, this thing flies right and behaves right (I tried to get out of spin the wrong way, as seen in one pre-release video reviews, and it did not work with the final product; only the proper procedure would take you out). Feels great and sounds great. Walkaround was a bit disappointment after A2A Comanche but that is all. We have tonz of liveries and no less than three manuals, plus customer support. I think it is well worth trying. But if you want money back guarantee, remember to buy it directly from JF.
I have no affiliation with JF, whatsoever. Just my impressions.
The most important thing, is dose it Trauma.
It's another great Just Flight product, but not worth only $4 less than the PA-28 Series. It should be far less expensive as it's a Trainer aircraft.
No, that's not how we determine our pricing, not at all so although you feel it should be far less expensive, in our opinion it really shouldn't. No point in us going into detail about that because each to their own, but just to say the PA-38 is more detailed, has more extras and looks better than our Arrows. Simply because it's bene developed three years later so we could take advantage of extra features, techniques and methods to move things up a notch, which is what we have done. Thanks.
TZELL AM ZAY
The name having tomahawk I thought it was a jet (the thumbnail didn’t load)
Is there even a jet called the Tomahawk?
There is not :)
But there should be!
Ima little dumb
Seems like a good airplane, but I wonder why JF chose this one?
I get it’s a trainer, but for the price, I’d like something more capable (trips, etc).
Just my opinion.
We chose it many years ago and it's done brilliantly well for us on other platforms and has proved very popular. So we wanted to bring it to MSFS for everyone. It's not our own plane in development we have plenty of other things on the go currently. This fits in nicely, and this version takes it up another notch too. Hope that helps.
£34.99 on Xbox. Too high for what it offers in my opinion
I agree mate. £24.99 Max on XBOX
I agree as well, this is worth no more than $25.99 USD.
It’s insane. 56 CAD. For a small sight seeing airplane. Wow.
@@Burstix Serious?
Just so you know, we at Just Flight don't set the £ prices on the marketplace. We give them the dollar price and they work the rest out in their own fashion. It's £29.99 on our website, that's the price we'd be charging if we set the MP version and/or could release the Xbox version from our website.
why would anyone buy this for $40 when you can spend $15 more and get the gold standard for GA in FS20, being the Comanche. More features, more updates, higher fidelity. It’s a no brainer for anyone, unless you fly the Tomahawk irl.
Why would anyone buy anything? I don’t want to fly the Comanche all the time
Very different aircraft
Because variety is the spice of life. As great as the Comanche is (I love it!), it still would get boring very quickly would it be my only GA option in the sim.
Strange comment if I may say so. It's not a simple choice between two aircraft. People own and use loads of different aircraft in the sim. It's a different plane, different experience and some don't want to just fly the excellent Comanche. Maybe it's not for you but for lots of people it is. It's been an extremely popular release with tons of people using and enjoying it right now.
I am not a fan of the Comanche in general. I'd love to have the Comanche's level of realism in other planes but I can deal with some imperfections if its actually a plane I want to fly. Just like the Fenix A320, I bought it flew it once and haven't touched it since. I have zero interest in the A320. I'm not going to spend $15 more for a plane I'll never fly. Maybe a no brainier if everyone had the exact same tastes but that's not the case. Comanche and Tomahawk are two airplanes with very different purposes.
It´s pronounced "TRAUMA-hawk".
The grip tape looks like some kind of black and brown Slate Rock, or Granite countertop, ugly!
There are some major texture errors, dithering all over around the wingroot and door panels, mostly visible on any livery that has color in those two spots other than white. I've already spent over an hour and a half fixing textures on a $42 plane that took over two years to complete and is supposed to be study level. It's only study level if you don't study the textures lol.
All right now I'm just being funny or am I? 😊
I will say though there is a lot of good about this plane, SERIOUSLY but, that is if'n you don't count the spotty texture on the right tire and how shiny the top of the dash is, (almost looks like you could ice skate on that damn thing)
The sounds are amazing, but it is very lacking in systems depth especially in failures and wear and tear there's only one way to fix even when any little thing is wrong You have to completely overhaul your plane getting rid of any hours that you may have had no separation of systems in the EFB to fix.
The interactive checklist is really good The sounds are really really good, (probably best in sim,except for tinny ground roll sounds, they need more bass and mid to make it feel like you are in the plane) flight model is great. Overall if you are a person who really needs the aesthetics to feel the immersion this plane does not satisfy, oh yeah I almost forgot the seat belt type straps in the back kind of look like sagging Play-Doh.
I know I'm hot and cold on this and that's okay but I almost forgot to mention a lot of the 3D modeling is good It's only some of it that is bad lol
Nice catch. Honestly? I didn't actually SEE those texture oddities, which is kinda weird. I'd normally see those first off.
Glareshield was admittedly quite shiny, if i didn't have a whopping sinus headache last night I'd have remembered to say something about it XD off my game!
You never acknowledge my post. Why? I've been watching since the beginning. I'm starting to get my feelings hurt. Not my cup of tea, but I do love your videos.
I didn't actually see another post Porkfang. I do try to reply to comments and at least like them. I'm in and out of the comments after a video goes up, and it was also dinner time! :D
Poor baby
@@AvAngel I was joking, I know you are busy!! I "smoked' a lot to much, I forgot the "LOL" after reading my comment it does whiney. Those air planes are not my thing and I do love you videos!!!