This Moira deranked to GOLD and can't get out... Here's why
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As a GM Moira, this is the advice that I would give that player:
Most mistakes Moira players make are simply playing too risky. Since they don’t need to focus on aim or tech, most of their focus should be on awareness and playing sight lines. There were many times where you stood in the Widow line of sight or faded into line of sight of multiple enemies. These mistakes were barely punished in this game but diamonds would punish it. Remember that her healing and damage does not have damage falloff, so you never need to stand close to your target to heal/damage them. Her healing has more range than most people realize, so it is safest to play behind cover and heal from medium range. When dps-ing, take advantage of her aimbot, fading onto an enemy doesn’t make you do more damage, it makes you TAKE more damage. You are most likely to win duels by playing about 20 meters away from your target and behind partial cover. Prioritizing healing is fine since that is more of a play style preference, but taking advantageous duels is a great way to win more team fights. In fact, the extra pressure created from damaging will prevent your team from taking some damage; it is invisible healing.
As a couple minor things: always use your orb before ulting. The orb can’t be used once you enter your ultimate so it is free value to throw it anywhere. Also I saw you throw a damage orb while damaging and throw a healing orb while healing; 90% of the time you want to use the opposite orb of what you are currently doing (throw heal orb while damaging and throw damage orb while healing). This lets you pressure, heal, and restore resources all at the same time. This makes you do the same amount of healing over a longer period of time, but in return you won’t run out of healing resources since damage restores them.
I hope everyone who read all of that can learn something from it!
Huge emphasis on the invisible healing, I love that phrasing (i will use that from now on). A lot of low elo Moiras make the mistakes you mentioned 1) playing too close 2) fading into an aggressive duel or flank rather than poking dmg out and fading out as an escape 3) poor target priority 4) poor resource management. Of course the map does play a huge role (this is Havana) but Moiras sometimes forget that the heal is a heal over time, so if someone takes 20-40 dmg they don’t have to hold left click unless they are continuing to take damage. Depleting your resources too soon makes Moira lose her value and forces your team to wait on making plays.
I think another thing this Moira did not do was trust her Ana to heal. I know this is gold and maybe this Moira is afraid the Ana isn’t going to heal much, but either way, when playing Moira Ana, one of them will ultimately have to focus more on dmg. They focused too much on healing healing healing when they could have thrown more orbs to place pressure and trust the hog and Ana to heal and keep themselves alive. This also goes back to the invisible healing point, the more dmg the enemy takes, the more they’ll move back, the less damage your team will take, and thus less healing needed.
I’m going to disagree with you on one point here: you do not want to be healing 90% of the time when you’re throwing damage orb. It’s actually the opposite, you want to be damaging whatever target your orb is damaging because the DPS output is very high and can guarantee picks on isolated targets. Your click healing is what you want to rely on for healing, healing orbs are last resort to keep yourself or teammates up. Damaging while you damage orb wins more games.
But you see, in low ranks your teammates are -du...- all over the map and out of position and you constantly have to make choices of whether to heal your standing-in-front-of-the-payload teammates in a line of sight of all 5 enemies, or let them die (essentially throw the fight) but survive and my constant need to help always gets me killed. I mean, tank gets deleted instantly anyway, dps are either flanking fuck knows where or also die while backing off, and then wtf are you and other support gonna do? :'')
this was very helpful, thank you! I appreciate that you took the time to offer really helpful and understandable advice - i had never thought about the idea of trying to use the orb opposite of what you're currently doing when possible.
@@EJDoesEverythingBetter This works better on isolated targets who get no help, i.e. better in lower ranks. In higher ranks, making sure you don't run out of juice and that you're building coal fast is very important... or even better yet, play Kiriko, since she's Moira only better in every way.
Shoutout to that Reaper at the very end. He was a real hero
This is not something I ever imagined sayin but this moira needs to damage more. a lot of moira pressure comes from her damage and orbs that just poke at enemies every 6 seconds. She can easily heal the entire team with just her right click and only using damage orbs for free poke and resource regen
as an athlete, i watch your videos like game film. i learn soooo freaking much from your analysis. especially when you stop and fully explain things. i love this so much dude
Their target priority, health botting, positioning, movement, no aggression, no adaptation, orb and fade usage, constant jumping all screams Gold to me
Some of it might just be a lack of respect for the enemy, mixed with lack of confidence from deranking. Like he stood in the open healing his team that were on high ground a bunch of times and I know he knew the enemy was right there, but it's like he just didn't see them as a threat. And then I think the lack of aggression could be that he's questioning how to even play anymore due to the deranking.
Jumping?
@@Raccoonhandler11 When you constantly jump, your trajectory jump arc becomes very easy to land shots compared to AD strafing
@@Billybobhorn129the enemy Ashe able to land 2 headshots on me from strafing but unable to hit a shot when I jump…..
@@cyrusstevenson880 This means the Ashe won’t climb out of gold or plat. Doesn’t mean ALL Ashe players won’t land a jumping target. Also, if you’re getting hit whilst strafing - you most likely AD strafe quite quick than a combination of W and S with some unpredictable jumping. You don’t often see Master+ jump a lot as Moira (or in general) - you strafe and move back and forth, play corners whilst peaking and make your movement unpredictable- that’s how you climb (I’m GM3 Support btw). There’ll be times an Ashe lands headshots especially since S9 - it’s called luck (especially in lower ranks).
Just off the description alone. Youre probably stuck cause youre too focused on stats and not about the win condition. Winning doesnt mean having crazy stats it means playing better. If youre stuck playing moira, you wont get far cause her value caps out pretty quickly. Ignore stats
I dont get why people expect the opposite. Like do they think supports in Masters+ have more healing at the end of the match?
Varies match to match, people see big numbers an think that's every match, I've had high rank matches that are just like 5ks lol an I've had matches where the other teams healing/kills higher but again we win cause we play the map better, people just believe they know it all and they make these false truths about what makes you good at the game
Yeah moria and lw are very deceptive of how much value they actually get. People see big numbers and think they're doing fine but realistically they're just farming stats and not actually doing anything. Also people still think supports are healers and that's all they should be doing when they're called supports for a reason.
Yea every support is better than moira
Ironically supports tend to do more damage and less healing the higher you go in rank
Edit: also why characters like mercy are pretty weak at higher tiers overall
This moira seemed too passive and reliant on what the team is doing and never tried to make a play of their own. They essentially were the reason for 0 team fights won while their team literally carried them to victory every single fight won. Their positioning and awareness are gold level if not even lower (not sure if this is console). Don't want to be harsh, but I am surprised a player like this was in diamond let alone plat, especially comparing them with other diamond players.
Another thing is this Moira needs to learn how to move to the high ground when necessary. Some of her teammates deaths can be attributed to her just staying on the ground level when she should have helped keep them up
Emongg's breakdown is right on. They have one playstyle: overheal and be like a moon to the tank. When things get scary, hit the get out of jail free button and don't forget to jump at the end. This player probably made diamond in an Orisa or Zarya meta.
Being a diamond Moira and not knowing how to properly use the fade jump tech is wild
well, he is no longer diamond :D that's why he is gold. As a masters support I am surprised how this guy even ever made it to diamond. Tells a lot about the mmr system
@@jax6230he had no business being in diamond this how I know rank doesn’t matter
I never thought a heal bot Moira would be more infuriating than a DPS Moira
At higher elos that widow would have killed the moria like 5 times at the start of the game.
i was sweating every time they went into her sightlines to heal hog. i'm just a qp warrior, but they throw grandmaster players at me every few games and it has taught me to protect my head by instinct lol. if i'm just vibing and it's a plat or below widow, i'll peak at the start to see what i can get away with, but only once.
tbf though, did the widow ever punish the moira for their positioning? i think they just got away with it, which will not happen in the lobbies they wanna climb to.
that must be what is happening to their rank. They climb up to a slightly higher one, get punished because of positioning, then get bounced back down for it.
I was thinking the same thing and then I glanced top right to look at their widow and realized he's on my friend list LMAO, we had a good game together months ago
That honestly looked like a low silver or high bronze Moira
right.. im gold moira and i feel like my gameplays are so much faster than this but what do i know lol
He needs to play more aggressive, pressure the enemy back line when their tank jumps in so he gets no heals. When you have ult wait for a fight to start then fade in and pressure back line. You can't play Moira as a heal bot. It's zero value.
Especially in lower ELOs where your DPS have a tendency to have a hard time securing kills. There were probably many points in that match where an enemy was low and escaped with heals that Moira could've finished off
@@RealEllenDeGeneresthis is so true. As someone who's new to overwatch and comp but has a lot of competitive experience in other games I had a terrible lose streak to place me in bronze 😔, I've noticed that a lot of times you get some DPS that just can't manage to kill anything whatsoever so as a support you need to be the one to pick up that slack if you want to win.
This could never ever be Diamond 4 Moira gameplay.
Watching this moira play had me feeling anxious all game
Dps Moira gets hate, and I feel like it’s why so many are too afraid to Dps, and spam heal orbs
Way way too much healing full health targets.
Right? I could see doing it as mercy or maybe bap, but Moira’s heals are very limited.
Yes it's a real waste of heals
especially with an Ana and Hog. during the downtime and safe moments, they stole ult charge from their Ana and wasted their own heal resource (and orb cooldown), which made me cry lol. i respect the desire to heal/keep your teammates alive, but they'd probably climb a little bit just by trusting their other support more (during the safe moments after teamfights at the very least).
See they forgot that Moira is a dps that can heal
There is a lot with this one. I wonder if they had been diamond for a LONG time and then dropped. Or maybe placed in diamond then dropped after. I would guess the latter. Because diamond seems exceptionally high for this player and I think they should be thankful to be in upper gold. First the good.
They got reactions. Dodging some ults. And they know a couple of decent orb spots even on a map where they are unfavored. When they are dueling you can see some a d and jumping going on which is par the course for Moira's around this rank range. I bet they fair decently well on a map more suited to Moira like some koth or kings row.
The bad. Positioning is pretty weak. They kept putting themselves in positions to get shot at. And shot at by Widow. This was super obvious on their first point attack. Emongg mentioned moving up and playing under the perch where soldier was. You can also move inside the building to the left. Dueling a Moira in there is terrifying. But diamonds and even plats will punish these mistakes. Very bad habit.
They also like the smell of their tanks butthole. When you have a Brig as a second support I get why you may do this. But this is something you learn in the bronze/silver/gold ranks (because your mechanics may be bad so you have to learn other aspects of the game to climb to gold) that supports shouldn't really overlap. And what I mean by that is Moira and Brig kind of do the same thing at these ranks. They are good vs. flankers and can punish out of position enemies. On top of healing in a similar way with dot style. If your a Moira main and won't swap either way so be it. Just saying I understand. But the alure of tank butthole is a bronze trope. I used to play in bronze. I would see my other support pick Mercy and I would then pick something that could provide consistent healing for the tank, depending on the tank pick, so they could focus on boosting the dps. Only for them to keep a yellow beam on the tanks nearly full hp butthole, on the floor and out in the open. I can count on one hand the times I've seen Mercy played even close to proper in bronze. And your play style is similar to a bronze Mercy. And while I don't play Moira, the good ones I see are pretty aggressive. Taking off angles similar to old Kiriko. And fading out/back when in trouble.
To summarize. Better positioning. Try to practice not dying even a single time. Moira's healing is longer range than most folks think. The tanks butthole isn't as pleasant as bronzes would tell you. Try taking more aggressive positions.
Tbh gold 2 I think is even a little high for how they are playing. Looks more like mid/low silver. But I bet it's good damage orb usage on koth maps keeping them high.
Tbh I’m glad to see someone agree w me lol. Like I am very surprised this Moira was once in diamond. Overall they have a lot to work on and I think if not improved, they’d drop to bronze…
i havent watched emongg in a while and that intro made me laugh LMFAOO. caught me off guard ngl
Omg Emongg starting on the green screen
There were certain moments throughout the match that scared me like when they were playing within widows sight lines or when they
prioritised healing when they could have been damaging a lot more or when they didn’t take the opportunity to play more aggressive, but keep in mind I’m not saying that their game play was bad they played really well and it was a close game. I’m not a gm Moria or anything it’s just my personal opinion, but it was just small things like that, that stuck out to me. No hate to them :) gg
If that widow was any better this Moira would have been doing nothing but going to spawn and it would have been a different game altogether
I want to see a game mode by Cauctus Puppy that forces the players to use their ult as soon as they earn it. This guy could learn a thing or two from it.
I don’t know how to word this correctly but I apologize if this comes off wrong. They play in slow motion… every. single. movement. Takes what feels like an eternity to react to anything going on; movement, every ability, turning around, etc.
i kinda like that new intro - very innovative
I say this in the most respectful way, i dont think they understand fully that dpsing gives you so much healing resources
Your tank or one of you not swapping plays an impact on this match, due to the ana nades, it sucks but it is what it is, tank not being hog or you/other support going kiri would make this match go more in your favor but regardless the majority of it emongg covers of just bad positioning taking no off angles, it being weird comps all around doesn't help much lol
The team comp can work but the Moira played it wrong. Their Ana had no pressure on them while the Moira was contributing very little by healing chip damage when they could’ve been flanking the Ana and baiting nade out. Especially in gold where Ana’s panic nade themselves very easily
@@samhamwich518 idk, that strat not always work tho in low rank.. sometimes when i do that, good things if when i get follow up from my team, they helping and know what im doing or can be vice versa, i got a team when for a sec im not there to flank kill or messing 2 or 3 enemy backline, my team died, or we still lose the team fight..
Again for me its a team game, u cant do everything alone especially if the enemy was smart enough or know how to helping each other
One thing I think they could improve on is tap-firing your dps beam when low on heals. It won’t do as much damage but you’ll max out your healing resource a lot quicker
That’s a thing ?! Blizzard so silly
Weatherman emongg is best emongg 😂😂😂 I love the green screen so much
They are in Gold cause they have heal juice as alternate fire
that ending was amazing!
"Back to you!.....Me"
Big thanks to flats for introducing me to your content, really enjoying it
Soemtimes I wish I could put emongg in my headset like cortana while I'm playing overwatch lmao
Damn bro, that outro song was chill
ALRIGHT SO!!
Gold Moria? This should be entertaining
Fades could be better. Also they could throw a dmg orb before ult? Just for the extra damage
[ALRIGHT SO] button
I think healing the hog is fine because you could get good ult charge off him, but he's not using his ult so...
im rly loving this green screen honestly
They hard threw the last fight and could have easily pushed the cart sooner if they didn't hold onto their ult for OW3. It absolutely did not have to end as stressful as it did.
1:37 what game you were watching? all i saw was he spending all healing juice to full HP targets, then throwing healing orb to FULL HP targets! this guy just seems lost. based on this 1 minute random healing use and orb use, using them just to do something.
I will say as a doom main at times this moiras ults were not half bad cause they waited for the doom to use his punch. When I play against a Moira u better believe I’m canceling her ult as many times as I can. Of course punch is a short cd and you can’t always wait for the doom to punch but it shows awareness on the moiras part
yeah i was glad to see that they were keeping an eye out for that. sometimes you just have to focus on improving one skill at a time, and they're being aware of the punch, which is great. the next thing is, when ulting, to constantly listen for his windup and have a fade prepared. even if doom is obscured somewhere (and he may not even be coming for you), it might be wise for them to just fade based on the audio cue. idk lol
There resource management was kinda bad ngl on that second to last fight on 3rd his bring and hog where 1 but because they did not use damage to charge they had no heals for em
How can you play Moria this passively and get to Diamond make it make sense
My pain I was plat in both dps and support but now I’m silver smh
I read someone in chat say "ult gives ult charge too" and I had to watch that inside ult just to see if that was true. It was not true.
The player is afraid of being called dps Moria if they lose.
Winning over stats everyday
The biggest problem I'm seing is that this player plays Moira as if her effective range was half of what it actually is. Like, you could place two payloads back to back between a Moira and her teammate and she'd still perform fine.
It’s easy to get good stats on moira and that’s why moiras always think they’re doing better than they actually are
He went easy on the Moira. There were so many instances that they made mistakes that would’ve lead to a death in any diamond or higher lobbies. Fade useage was subpar to say the least, it was never used to reposition outside of harms way and never used aggressively to secure any kills. Orb useage was subpar, the intention to bounce orbs was never there they just threw orbs that never got any value outside of the initial few seconds. Positioning was a constant concern the whole time. There were plenty of times where they were not healing nor damaging when they could’ve been. List goes on.
watching this before a shift
That moira looking like a mercy
he was playing waaaay too passive and throwing way too many healing orbs when the team was still full health or next to it, moiras cant be afraid of being aggtessive and dishing out damage, you only need to heal when your team needs it. this map is great for moira to use off angles and use those damage orbs to really chunck down everyone behind thier tank. BUT he did focus on keeping his team alive which isnt a bad thing
A lot of just blowing healing resources when they could have been doing damage. Which feels really weird to say as someone who's favorite character to play is definitely Moira. I know the dark urge to become the third DPS but this dude went too light side of the force.
ngl this moira almost threw the game by not ulting there at the end. that absolutely insane reaper ult and the lucio/sombra getting back to point in time to stall are the only reason they didn't lose. as someone who used to main moira and now uses her as a comfort pick, i am genuinely shocked this player was ever in diamond; this is low gold level gameplay, high gold at BEST.
if the moira from this game ever sees this, there are dozens of comments with advice you really, really need to heed.
I notice this with this player atleast but you don't need to constantly spray heal, you should know by now that the after healing of moiras left click is powerful enough to top someone off without constantly spraying them all the way.
Enemy Widow has had them in LOS for the first 4 minutes and this Moira player has given exactly ZERO fucks about it. That is a red flag indicator of why they're deranking. They have zero self preservation instinct. And you may argue "but the Widow hasn't hit any shots so its not a problem" -to which I then say that's cus they're a gold Widow.. But the Widows in Plat and Diamond DID hit these kind of shots, which is a major contribution to why this player is NO LONGER at a higher rank. Widow is ofc a proxy example for any other hero that can abuse disregard for self preservation against anything that isn't straight in front of this player's field of view.
They have shown no space awareness, they have taken unnecessary risks without even getting any value from it, they're playing like they have plot armor. And guess what, the moment plot armor becomes a thing, is when you realize you've hit rock bottom of Bronze and now you can't get out cus everyone is so bad you never get good teams and then you start ranting on Reddit and Tik Tok, when in reality it's your own responsibility to not fall that low to begin with.
Like bro. You're a Gold Moira. You're NOT the main character. If you want to act like a main character, you need to grind so you have the skills and awareness to back it up. Even if the enemies don't punish you, that shouldn't mean you play carelessly, because the moment you get a higher rated lobby with enemies that do punish that type of stuff once in a while, then you fall straight back to being an RNG Andy who has no control over their games.
To be clear. This win was not deserved, it was luck. And that's where you hit the "50/50 matchmaking", because in good matchmaking neither team is good enough to decisively end fights on their terms consistently. And this just means, you are not better than this rank, and your deranking is the matchmaker doing its job. You had more than 10 different moments where you could easily have been the main deciding factor in the match, but you played passively, didn't challenge for space, didn't pressure meaningfully, risked your life needlessly, and misused your resources almost every single time you used them.
But first thing first, position with your own safety in mind, but also know that you can individually challenge enemy squishies for space and win most duels pretty comfortably as long as you're the one dictating when and where you take them (aka when you have full hp, and an orb available). Any elim is better than doing 1k healing through generic piss clouding your team on point. Pop your ult to confirm just one kill, take a flank duel against an overly aggro Soldier, fade into the deep back of the enemy when they're pushing a choke, so you can 1v1 their Widow up close and ensure she doesn't get any picks on you/your team from a non-pressured safe distance, etc.
Moira is OP in metal ranks if you know what value you can easily get, and how to survive and stabilize your team while you search for an opportunity to make a play yourself. Your play is not to heal your team, if you have to heal your team constantly it means you're not doing your job well. Go for pressure first, and if no pressure can be had, then you fall back on your ability to mass heal. But generic mass heal shouldn't be your go-to form of value, because healing will never be the deciding factor in matches. A Bronze and a GM can heal within 80% difference if they stay back in safe spots the whole match -and you CAN stay safe an entire match in Gold because nobody in Gold applies any pressure on you ever unless you facetank like a moron. So it's easy to get lulled into a false sense of security when it's "safe" to just sit back and heal most of the time.
I'm a platinum Moira and literally the only difference is using the ult any time the teams are all in a line or group.
Also, we spend all our time getting yelled at for not healing more, of course we over heal!
This moira carried her teamj
why do people save their ults for so long
they're worried they're gonna waste them. (and i think this Moira was often saving it for after the Doom died so he wouldn't cancel it, or at least it seemed that way a few times). but by worrying about wasting it or by saving it for a "perfect" scenario, they end up wasting the potential ult they would've already built had they just ulted.
i think ppl start off "yolo ulting", make some mistakes, and get embarrassed. then they overcompensate by holding ult forever. then realize it's actually better to just go full "yolo ult" and to learn from the mistakes than to hold it (and lose out on gaining another ult). and then eventually they get good at ult timing.
Master's Moira player here. This Moira is probably in the correct rank. As a Moira player, even a more passive one, the stat disparity between your healing and dmg in this game is HUGE and abnormal. Think about getting in more dmg when you play. You don't even have to flank or do anything crazy. Just commit to right clicking and using dmg orb more. Also commit to using your ult more. It charges hella fast and especially in the metal ranks, players aren't aware of when they are away from each other or even low health. Anytime you have ult and a DPS or Support is away from his team, you should ult them IMMEDIATELY. Throw a dmg orb at them and ult. They will die almost every time.
Just remember that Overwatch is a game that's far more about making proactive plays with your abilities. Choose to be the carry on your team!
I got to gold 5 and my dps don’t know how to counter most the time
Wasting too much heal resource while doing no damage to build it back up = always on empty.
I guess he can be plat, Gold-Diamond are pretty much on the same skill level just they get more accurate, if he plays more aggressivly and not healbotting like at the first 3 mins he can easily get diamond/master
Im a gold Moira too but Why are you slowly turning your head around in The middle of the street? During a battle. Throw orbs more accurately and more often.
Just watch the top Moira Arx and you will know straight away what your doing wrong, he never uses the heal orb, he always uses damage orb to recharge his resources faster
Bad fades, only ok positioning.
Those two things fixed you'll go higher.
Also, quit healing anti healing targets and reposition (again) instead and get ready to top the team off again
Problem spotted in the paragraph before the video even started. If you have that much more healing than damage on Moira, you’re essentially healbotting. You need to be doing WAY more damage and taking more picks, actually fighting the enemy instead of relying on your team to do most of the fighting for you. I’ll watch the video now and see how close I am.
Edit 1: Yep, literally healing two full HP targets the second the round starts instead of finding an angle to do more damage once the enemy team engages. Waste of resources and time you could be fighting.
Edit 2: yeah I’m 2 minutes in and I already know the problem. Emongg is being nice saying “you’re playing fine”, he’s definitely capping though. You’ve spent the first team fight doing exactly nothing to help. This is gold gameplay. I’m gonna go watch this now and see how long I can watch before I get tired of seeing it.
Edit 3: I made it to the 8 minute mark. I’m not sure why Emongg was saying you couldn’t exist in the room on the right, it’s literally the best place to throw damage from. Once you’re under too much pressure, fade out the door and back to your team. Look up Awkward’s unranked to GM on Moira and it’ll all become clear. Best luck with the climb.
What i wanna know is how this person got to diamond in the first place, miracles do happen, apparently
How can you over heal as a healer? (Genuine question not trying to sound rude)
i think its healing trivial damage when you can be making a play/ doing damage.
You want to heal your teammates so that they don't die, so it's good to focus on healing in those situations (i.e. when your teammate's being targeted/dove, when they're at crit HP, etc.). But for Moira in particular, because her heals are resource based, it's less effective to throw heal orbs and better to throw damage orbs to regain the heal resource. (Also, Moira's heal is 70 per second, then lingers to heal 51 over 3 seconds, so holding down left click instead of tapping it could be considered over healing, i guess.)
In the context of this video, there's an Ana on their team (who's heals aren't resource based), so Moira can rely on Ana to heal up teammates when nothing's happening or when those teammates are not in imminent danger. It lets the Ana built up ult charge, and let's the Moira retain her heal resource and use her orb cooldown to throw a damage orb (to gain her own ult charge, heal resource, and to just pressure/annoy the enemy a bit). Also, since there's a Hog, letting him heal himself as much as possible gives him ult charge too. So in a way, this Moira healing up teammates during the downtime or during safer moments can actually be stealing ult charge from the Ana and Hog. Since ults can win teamfights/the game, healing in those situations could potentially cost you the game. But of course, context matters and it's important to heal when people are in danger.
What most ppl PROBABLY are talking about when they say "over healing" is referencing how providing pressure through damage and off-angling is insanely beneficial as a support (or at least most support heroes). So doing enough healing to keep your team alive, and then doing damage the rest of the time is often what wins games. Emong mentioned (around 10:40) doing damage and having the enemy look at you. Since Moira can escape easily, just having some of the enemy turn to look at you on an off angle, can allow your team to push up and punish them, while you can fade out/escape. That won't happen if you're behind the tank just healing. (But you need to have the game sense to know the timing of when to go do damage, when to fall back, when to pocket a teammate for a bit, to have fade cooldown ready for escape, etc. so it's a learning process.)
I'm not an expert and am just a QP warrior lol, but i hope that helps.
1. I would try to not waste your healing so much, your heal has a ton of burst and tic, healing. You usually dont need to heal until your team has taken some damage.
2. Try to use more Damage orbs, they help you a lot as moira.
3. Mind where you are, when you see a Widow shot blaze by your face, i would be careful walking into the open. At higher ranks, where people can hit those, you need to play cover more.
Man in that comp if you go kirico you win bc they have a ana who is purple the Hog and if you go kirico you save him. And in this map bc he is open moira is kinda bad bc she have to get close to heal a kirico will be better.
Yeah i know is gold and in that you can win whit anything but will be easy if you change
Kiriko.
Reminds me of a zen that asked me to watch his replay. By the end of all 3 controll maps he had 8k dmg with 5k heals while his own mercy tripled the healing. He would just leave his healing orb on his tank and then dip to flank and do his own thing. He wouldnt even bother to put it back on someone when he got back into los with his team half the time. His junkrat was suffering but bro wouldnt listen to me when i told him his heals were shit. He kept saying that he feels he wasnt being aggressive enough or doing enough dps, even saying that he usually doesnt care about his team. As a support thats the exact reason why his team was suffering and the reason they lost, he was too worried about trying to be a dps that he forgot that hes only 1 of 2 ppl on his team that can heal. And that his team had no burst healers only slow healers. If he had something like a bap as his other support then sure, could for sure dps and look to be more aggressive. But bc he had a mercy he had to recognize that he has to focus more on healing ppl when they need it and maximizing his healing orb since discord got nerfed ontop of how quick it gets cleansed. Its like with genji, if your fighting against a ton of beam enemies your not gonna just dive in and try to geg those foanks bc if you want to geg out theirs not a damn thing you can do to stop the dmg.
This person might as well play mercy the way they play moira. It feels like they have no idea how to use fade other than to dodge damage but never uses it to actually reposition. Saved their ult for overwatch 3 when they could’ve just won.
Honestly shocking they ever even made it out of gold lol
This brotha belongs in gold.
Looks more like low silver Moira tbh
Is this console? Did I miss it or did he forget to specify platform?
Moira is one of my favourite supports. She’s easy to learn (Great for beginners, people who struggle with aim, etc), she’s good at both damage and healing depending on how you look at it, and she’s got great lore. The problem is that too many people seem to try to overachieve with her and end up under achieving. The best way, and basically only way, to play Moira is to be balanced. Don’t focus on stats or wins either, it ruins your gameplay mindset. I play comp only and believe me, playing just to play improves your performance.
honoustly if you're just going to heal your team all the time except when your meter is empty, why even play moira. Kiri can also TP and suzu is OP.
Easiest thing to get out of gold is stop playing budget bap and go dps moira
He looks like „Uhhh ohh what I’m gonna do now? Better put some heals out, my team is full hp and I need to release my piss“ ..wastes all piss and yellow orb an full hp team mates when there are isn’t even a real team fight
Mercies in plat pocket pig🐷
As moira I would have gone back line on second quite heavily on gold, they got good time on first, they are tunnel visioned. I would be ALL over the map, throw a heal orb to your team from time to time when it gets hot. Honestly moira is boring and feels like cheating most of the time, just ignore your team in gold and dont front line with them.
btw why do some get a special treatment to continue their ult after being CCed, that hog got double CCed and kept firing, not even orisa gets that being the annoying immune tank, ult ends if ur CCed end of the story. the balancing in this game is like going to india eating street food and picking the diaheria lottery. this game is all over the place.
@@sinanuygur5273just because you dont understand the logic behind which ults can be cancelled and which ones can't doesnt mean there isnt a logic to it.
@@sethescope what does that even remotely have to do with anything I said? You might want to work on your english comprehension skills.
Im a tank main who plays ALOT of Dva and I think Dva ult is also one of those special needs kids. Infact, I would go as far as saying, this game would have been more fun without ults, or at least ults that dont insta kill something but give some utility, f.ex have Dvas DM be endless during the ult.
To lead a healthy discussion one needs to be objective about the topic, but since I already triggered you because I critisized your Hog or something, I highly doubt this is going to be the case here.
@@sinanuygur5273 oh man you get AGGRESSIVE the second someone says something you don't like or agree with, yikes. so much for that "healthy discussion" you pretend to care about.
@@sethescope you are the one who started with the passive aggresive insults and you continue to contribute absolutely nothing
Finishing the game with 29k healing and 8.5k dmg sounds like too much healboting.
At least from a Moira. That may not be the biggest issue, but if you play so non-aggressively then an Ana for example would probably have more value (aka anti-nade).
This is like the opposite of a DPS Moira, but it's almost as bad (Ok I'm not saying that DPS Moira isn't a good playstyle, because if you know what you're doing and you're not feeding then it's actually decent, and is probably even better than a healbot).
I almost never see this Moira use the S U C C and they throw way too many healing orbs when the team is almost full HP, when a damage orb would be way better to build up their healing resources back. Also like said in the video, they are wasting a lot of resources on prehealing when it is basically useless. You have limited healing resources on Moira so try not to waste it when your team is full HP.
So the biggest issue as I see it is that Moira has two sides (healing and damaging) and you're using almost only the healing, when the damaging is part of her playstyle and is what enables her to heal more (and helps winning team fights by getting damage and kills as well). Moira is a support not a healer.
No offense, but this is a gold moira here. He misses bubbles, they get bounced and yeeted to fking space. He sends heal orbs towards team when team does not need healing. He sprays them when they don't need healing. The lack of damage is also concerning, this moira is really not looking for any agression. Many times he was eyeballing a solo enemy 20 meters away and would not even tickle them a little bit. There is a lack of awareness: for example when he faded back with low hp into a pile of echo stickies on the floor.
Explains the derank completely. I can imagine he often switches to other heroes too and I bet you he is that healbot ana that pumps the tank all match, uses the nade only to heal and does nothing else. With kiriko he probably heals 95% of the time and every now and again throws a kunai.
poor resource management, not refilling health pool bc you're not doing dmg. not pressuring when you're not healing. too scared overall.
hot tip... you can't heal purple teammates and it's just wasting resources to try (unless, of course, you get off moira and go kiriko to help your hog out)
Im not a fan of tiktok Moiras that aggress into backline 1v5 trying to force some picks just to end up dying and never healing. But a Moira that doesn't do it at opportune times, let alone doesn't damage at all, is also a detriment in any game. Moira lacks one of the most crucial things all other supports have, and that is some form of utility (kiri suzu, bap immo, ana nade, etc.). All she does is damage and heal. That can be fine. There are Moiras in GM, after all. But since you lack utility that can be used for your team to make huge saves and plays, you lose out on a large chunk of value by not going aggressing at times and securing picks. Stats mean far less than decision maijng in this game no matter who you play.
Moira is a stat monster, but with no utility, it makes your aggressive plays, and more importantly, your decision-making and positioning that much more important to be spot on in order to carry you further and further in rank.
As somone who plays Moira (as it's best mobility vise support): you need to heal and damage at the same time. and don't forget to ult pls, you can have 2 ult for the time you keeped it.
*someone
i went to gold 2 and then dropped to bronze 3 and was stuck there for months and now im back to silver. this game broken
This moira did not derank on accident, that's for sure lmao
oh honey what's wrong with your green screen
its absolutely perfect, i dont know what kind of fool nonsense you're speaking!
And after watching the video, you swapping to kiriko and playing literally the exact same would have been much bettee. Your hog couldnt heal through anti so your solution was to throw a healing orb. Had it been cleanse this wouldnt have even been close.
yeah, trying to heal that much on a resource-based support is just gonna cause you pain. at least with kiriko, her heals are infinite (plus she has cleanse, as you said). when kitsune was crazy good in season 1 or 2, it was a legit strat to just healbot and gain ult fast, so although that strat isn't as good now (and to not off-angle/do dmg with kiri is a waste), it would've served this player much better.
i do respect that they cared so much about keeping their teammates alive. they just gotta know that the playstyle is not gonna help them climb as much if they don't make their own plays and do more damage.
If this Moira doesn't improve, they will fall to Silver too... this is not gold-level support play
Moira's simply just too weak these days compared to all the other supports. They do as much healing and dps as her, if not more, AND have game-changing utilities like lamp, suzu, and antinade. Moira has nothing but tickle dps, and a healing resource that runs out just when things get hectic. Just play Ana. Throw antinades and win.
this moira should have been playing mercy and pocketing soldier instead of peeking widow over and over
They dont know how to manage their heal resource at all
If a Moira brags about their stats. They just got lucky getting Diamond. Everyone okay and higher knows that Moira stats are always questionable.