First time watching Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan! (Reaction)
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Kirk choking up at the funeral is one of the most genuinely believable reactions to grief I've seen in movies.
I feel like most of us have seen that breaking stoicism from a hurting loved one at a funeral, or been that person ourselves.
You even got emotional for a ship! Star Trek 3 made me sad for the Enterprise and hopeful for the next movies iteration of the famous ship.
When he says "no..." in engineering and slumps against the transparent wall, right next to Spock, but separated it is a kick in the guts to me. He's helpless in that situation😢
In a way it wasn't acting on Shatner's part.
Him and Nimoy had such good chemistry on set (despite sometimes being less than thrilled with each other off and on IRL) that when the scene came, Shatner was challenging Kirk's emotions at the moment and he really did get choked up at the line.
Ironically when Nimoy died in real life Shatner didn't attend his funeral.
@@petercofrancesco9812What?
Impossible to overstate how big a deal Spock dying was at the time. I think the uproar even stunned Leonard Nimoy.
@@parallax3d As far as I know him directing was one of the conditions he had for returning
Yeah, as a kid back then I barely watched any TOS, but Spock was a cultural icon.
Yes, it completely shocked me as a kid back then. Couldn’t believe it, but the end still hinted at a return.
Spock’s death and the destruction of the _Enterprise_ in the next film was the Red Wedding of _Star Trek._ Or Dumbledore’s death in _Harry Potter._ The “subverting of expectations” thing. But it might have been more shocking than that because it never even crossed our minds that Spock might die saving the _Enterprise_ and that the _Enterprise_ might be destroyed to save Spock.
@@darkproseWhat?? The Enterprise is destroyed? Oh No! 😮
This is a truly GREAT film. The fact that you can be moved by these characters you dont even know is evidence. Imagine how those of us who grew up with Trek felt. We cried like babies!
Oh yeah. The first time I saw this - the original release - when the Genesis Device was armed and they couldn't get away... Spock realises what has to be done. Then he goes and does it. It hit me hard.
It hit me harder than the Darth Vader revelation from the Empire strikes back.
I was talking to my neighbour yesterday mentioning this movie, mainly because i am currently watching Star Trek Strange New Worlds , and how very important Spock is to the Star Trek timeline.
“Of all the souls I have encountered in my travels, his was the most…human.” Absolutely SLAYS me every time, especially with the 70+ episode history of his struggle with logic vs. emotion. What incredible acting by William Shatner in that one word: “human.”
The whole epilogue gets me in the feels. EVERY TIME ! I'm 50 years old, saw "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan" opening weekend and probably close to 100 times since... some scenes closer to 500 times probably... and that last scene in the engine room brings a tear to my eye EVERY TIME lol...
@@paulwalsh2344 That version of "Amazing Grace" on bagpipes as Spock's capsule was launched still remains my favorite version, with that low mournful note sustaining at the end.
@@jefff3886 Yeah.... for sure.
I'm a Star Trek lifer. When I was a kid I watched TOS repeatedly and it was my favorite in an admittedly limited field of competition at the time. My friends and I used to roleplay Star Trek when we'd run around outside. I was always Spock.
Saw Old Yeller once. Didn't cry. And I love dogs. I won't say I cry whenever I rewatch Khan, but I can feel the tears come up. You know it's coming and at some point you either stop it or you don't and if you don't... 😭
The one that destroys me is "I have been and always shall be your friend." It was even more powerful when Nimoy died.
At it's core, Star Trek is about exploring morality in the face of the unknown, and always striving to be better than we are.
The good parts of Star Trek are also when it's (unlike Star Wars) not black and white but rather showing that both (or more) sides can be equally reasonable.
@@NephritduGrey
In defense of Star Wars, prior to the annexation of the franchise by Disney and the mistake of putting Kathleen Kennedy at the helm, the franchise did grow up to accomplish things other than plain good and evil issues. That was the beauty of The Expanded Universe novels which Disney chose to ignore.
However the philosophy is in the titles. As its title dictates, at its core Star Trek is about exploration. While in contrast Star Wars it is about conflict.
Neither should be faulted for their core principles especially when sometime those principles have to be altered due to certain events.
Well said 🫡
@@ldarksong Well, okay to be fair the EU was pretty well, like the Thrawn Trilogy especially.
And my points aren't in the vein of one is better than the other just that they're different.
Also I don't think the decline in Quality with Disney Star Wars is due to the theme but the execution of it. It's sad to see wasted potential but the same can be said for Trek too, like the disasters of Discovery and Picard season 1 and 2.
@@NephritduGrey
Execution will be the proper word for what happened to Star Wars under Disney and Kathleen Kennedy.
Both Star Wars and Star Trek are victims of the current agenda which CZcams critic The Critical Drinker has termed "The Message". For details I recommend looking at his channel but you're already seeing part of what the message entails with your mention of Star Trek Discovery Picard season 1 and 2 and Strange New Worlds.
But back on topic of what you would mention regarding morality. Some time ago, I came across information that stated that Star Trek 2 was not liked by Gene Roddenberry because of the fact the resolution in the movie was a battle and not a diplomatic solution which were the core of many if not all of his stories in the original series.
I found that disappointing. Star Trek The wrath of Khan was good because not only did it have the space battles that everyone loves but it also showed the morality that's always been display by the original series when Kirk ceased hostilities after disabling The Reliant.
Morality In Star Wars is a little bit more tricky and extremely difficult since it depends solely on individuals rather than organizations. And many times that morality comes in conflict with those organizations, with that appearing most spectacular within the Jedi where you have individual Jedi who are more moral than the entire Order.
On a side note, I know that whenever the EU is mention the first thing out of everyone's mouth is The Thrawn Trilogy. While it is good , I still have yet to read it, there was also the Darth Bane trilogy which should be recommended has an example of how morality works out in The Lucasian Galaxy. And quite honestly it was Star Wars mature enough to give me back into the franchise many years ago when I left it.
Honestly, Shatner's portrayal of Kirk has been unfairly caricatured as over-acting in the TOS. One rewatching TOS last year, I was actually struck by how restrained his portrayal of Kirk is. Kirk is a thoughtful, caring leader. He is confident, but not overbearing. Brash when he needs to be, but *very* cautious with lives and the Enterprise. Sure, there are a few scenes where he hams it up because the script call for it, but otherwise he did fine. He gets more hammy in Star Trek V and VI, and especially Generations. I think Star Trek II is his best performance as Kirk.
I will look forward to seeing his hammy side!
Shatner is especially great in the first season.
I agree about Shatner’s acting. It’s mostly very effective, he can definitely pull off a variety of emotions seamlessly. When people imitate him they tend to go way over-the-top with it.
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Generations is the perfect end for Kirk. The odds were against him and the situation was grim!
I saw this in the theater. Just imagine what it was like with a few thousand people trying not to show that they were bawling their eyes out in near silent sniffles, and then Kirk’s famous narration-“Space, the final frontier”-echoes from the screen, but now in SPOCK’S voice. Everyone lost it and started crying for real out loud. It was the most cathartic event I’ve ever experienced in cinema
A few thousand? What kind of monster-size theater was that?! Ribbing aside, I treasure having seen it in the theater as well.
@@maxducoudray I’m pretty sure it was the Alexandria Theater in San Francisco before it was carved up into three different theaters, so there was a balcony section and “orchestra” section like an old time theater. So I think thousands, yes.
I remember... We were all dazed, just putting one foot in front of the other back to the real world... 😭
@@maxducoudray Until just a couple of decades ago there were still a lot of the old "movie palaces" in major cities from the 1920's around and some of them had seating for up to 2,500 people. They were heavily decorated to look like European opera houses on the inside with usually some "exotic" theme on the exterior. Here in Chicago we still have a few around but all of them have been altered into music or live theater venues.
I remember the huge backlash when they killed off Spock, only when Star Trek 3 The search for Spock came out did everyone relax.
15:41 Marla McGivers (played by Madelyne Rhue) was written out of of the film due to the actress being diagnosed with MS in 1977 as she was medically unable to reprise her role.
Finally! Someone who understands that Star Trek and Star Wars are two totally different things that cannot be compared. Thanks for the genuine reaction. You don't have to be a hardcore fan to appreciate this movie.
only thing the same is space.... plus star trek came wayyyy first
Thank you!
Star Wars is a space romp.
Star Trek is a space drama.
They should not be compared. If you do, you're missing the point of both.
Or another way to put it, they're aimed a different audience demographics. Star Wars is more family oriented and by extension, young kid friendly. Star Trek (The Original Series) is more younger adult oriented, i.e. 18-34.
Glad you're considering a crack at the original series (a.k.a. TOS). As you note, there are quite a few episodes, and if everyone is honest here, we can agree there are some klunkers.
It may be a good idea to poll your Patreon supporters for their top 10 or 20 episodes to find the top 10 most people cite. There is no season long arc to worry about getting things out of order, and only The Menagerie parts 1 & 2 (which would be in my list) need to be seen in sequence. Other episodes ony short list, in no particular order:
1. The Corbomite Maneuver
2. Balance of Terror
3. The Conscience of the King
4. The Galileo Seven
5. The Doomsday Machine
6. The Devil in the Dark
7. The Trouble with Tribbles
8. The City on the Edge of Forever (at the top of a lot of favorite episodes lists)
9. Amok Time (gives an insight into Vulcan culture)
10. The Changeling (only if you want to compare it to the first Star Trek movie)
11. Journey to Babel (insight into Spock's family dynamic)
There are a couple others (e.g. Metamorphosis, which I believe won an Emmy) that I considered adding. Because I found myself considering, I didn't.
Season three has some interesting titles, which (sadly) are more interesting than the corresponding episodes.
The fact you "prepped" by watching "Space Seed" is MOST EXCELLENT. That gives you the full understanding about everything in the movie. Great job, ma'am.
Sure, but you have to watch more than one episode to understand and appreciate the Kirk-Spock-McCoy relationship, and what it meant for Spock to die here.
Oh man... yeah... KUDOS for for taking the time and investing in watching "Space Seed" prior to this reaction. I was immediately impressed !
Yes, this speaks very highly of the reviewer. Won't lie though, I can pretty much quote Wrath of Khan from memory.... not so much Space Seed.
I did a disservice by not watching more of TOS prior, but that is something I plan to rectify!
@@bunnytailsREACTS There's only so much you can do. Your reaction to Khan did well because you got it. You got the characters, you got the story.
The enterprise's "wings" are known as warp nacells. They generate a warp field around the ship, allowing it to move at faster than light speeds. They are extremely radioactive, so they are rarely accessed by the crew, and hence why they are suspended at distance from the rest of the ship.
Well, the matter/antimatter reaction in the engine core does produce a tremendous energy output (a lot of it gamma radiation), but it's contained. A ship's nacelles are positioned as they are because of warp physics dictates. The positioning is important to creation of a stable warp field.
@@Phoenix5365 it is both due to the required configuration to completely envelop the ship and to isolate the warp plasma from the crew because it generates novel (fictional) types of radiation that the AMRA (warp core) does not generate in high concentrations though as the federation tech advances both of these issues become easier to manage until ships like the defiant are safe without distancing the nacelles from the crewed portions of the ship. oddly enough; the geometry to the real world albeit still theoretical Alcubierre warp drive also needs specific shapes and placement of the warp engine to most efficiently envelope a hypothetical FTL spaceship using the least amount of exotic energy/mass.
@@jerryadams6799
_"(...) oddly enough; the geometry to the real world albeit still theoretical Alcubierre warp drive also needs specific shapes and placement of the warp engine to most efficiently envelope a hypothetical FTL spaceship using the least amount of exotic energy/mass."_
It's not really odd when you remember that Star Trek was designed by real world engineers. Classic Star Trek's portrayal of technology tends to be startling in it's accuracy to the real world.
In other Trek shows, it is seen that walking inside the Nacells is possible... under the right conditions. Usually, however, it is as advisable as trying to take a ride under your vehicles hood as the car is going down the freeway.
It's strange that the Cardassians from TNG and ds9 figured out a system that Starfleet didn't.
Or it just says something about the Cardassians.
You mentioned the difference between Star Wars & Star Trek. They did a VR game of Star Trek a few years ago, and the director of that game had probably the best quote about Star Trek, "Combat is an essential part of Star Trek, but it's never the point of anything you're doing. It's always the thing getting in the way."
Oh, and regarding the glasses- the glasses and the book (A TALE OF TWO CITIES) were birthday gifts from McCoy and Spock. Throughout the TV series, they served as opposing viewpoints who helped Kirk make decisions. Spock was cold and logical, McCoy was compassionate, and Kirk used their combined wisdom to find a balance and solve problems.
So, with Spock dead, and his glasses broken, he now symbolically can’t “see”.
Also referenced in Star Trek 4, "Were those not a gift from Doctor Mccoy ?"......, Too much detail would be spoilers, but it was a nice touch to the glasses and being broken.
@@ChannelReuploads9451 Spoiler:
Maybe why Bones had so much trouble finding ones with intact lenses.
Honestly, I think this reaction video will get you noticed by a lot of people. Not only did you do homework by watching the original episode, but you really "get" the characters and the conflict. Your enjoyment for this movie and the intelligence of your comments and insights will draw many viewers.
I think you're right. It got her recommended to me. I checked her other content, and other than Space Seed, nothing else would have ever caused a recommendation. Oops, missed the Terminator. Oh well 😆
Well said. And Live Long and prosper to all the Trekkies in this world today.
Oh yeah !... I was sincerely impressed with this reaction. She watched it with an open mind and experienced it without prejudice and was in the end moved by it... which is all an artist, the actors, directors, soundtrack composers, SFX people could ever hope for. So good for her ! She could have been a cynical millennial and chose to be cool and hip, but instead we got this EXCELLENT reaction. Thank you !
Fresh, intelligent and creative review. The best Trek is about the heart of the viewer, and you seem to have a great heart. This was a do-or-die film for Star Trek, and it saved it. You get it. Continue to love the characters and story, their personal humor and contributions to teamwork and forgive the writer's occasional haste to make deadlines. See the big picture and let yourself be a fan. You may just love the sequel, "Search for Spock". Please review more Trek!
I very rarely comment, but your reaction to this is beautiful. This movie is an absolute miracle and you really get the message of it in a way that is wise beyond your years. I saw it in the theatre at about 5 years old (the ear things scared the crap out of me) and even in my 40s I still pickup new things about it and it still gets to me. I really hope that you enjoy the whole series as much as this, but you’re starting on a VERY high point!
Thanks so much!
It can come off condescending but I'm really proud of your great grasp of these characters. And you're so understated about it; you don't try to conjure elaborate descriptions, just plain speak you show your keen perceptions. Sharing and subscribing!! ❤️
I still remember the car ride home from the theater with my mom that night (I was 7) and discussing my fear of those things crawling in my ear. She told me we could put cotton in my ears that night to keep those critters out.
I ended up falling asleep without the cotton, but that scene def left a mark lol.
Oh absolutely! This movie was a scifi tour de force. Genetic engineered humans, terraforming, hacking and remote control of a ship computer system, mind control, 3 dimensional thinking, facing death
"My life that could have been, and wasn't. How am I feeling? Old. Worn out."
Damn, that hits hard.
So glad she watched the extended cut. The extra scenes with Peter and Scottie are heartbreaking.
Never understood why the original cut of the film removed the fact that Peter was Scotty's nephew, it makes the scene in sickbay SO much more impactful.
@@MajorMagna Usual trimming Hollywood does to try to tighten up the movie. Your right, though, considering they left the 'he stayed at his post when the trainee's ran' part in, for many years I was like 'why does Scotty care so much about this one person?' until I saw the extended cut and it made sense.
I prefer the original theatrical cut because that scene where Kirk tells Spock "That man's my son !" and Spock belatedly says"Fascinating" is so labored and ham fisted that it almost ruins the whole cut for me.
@@paulwalsh2344I agree. Theatrical cuts are almost always best. Usually extended cuts are only good for existing fans to get some extra detail.
There is a reason why the extended cuts were excluded from the final release. Only 'Trek Nerds' find the additional footage interesting...
Even though I've probably seen the film 20 times, I still get tears in my eyes at the end!
We all do every time
Strangely enough, I get a bit more emotional when (censored for spoilers) in ST:TSfS.
Same! This is one of those films that ended up on one of our VHS tapes in the early days of VHS, when you watched whatever you recorded many times! I still love it. Pure class.
20x plz I've watched this so many times I can watch it in my head
I have seen this film over 50 times and only have seen the end 4 times in 1982 I left the theater crying and mad I was 9 years old! I am a Trekkie!
You deserve to see these characters the way they were designed to be taken. Experienced one episode at a time from the original series (There's only 3 seasons) and then you can definitely understand why so many DEEPLY love these characters. Your instincts are spot on, and you will love them as intended. WATCH LONG and PROSPER
I’m excited to explore the rest of TOS 😁
@@bunnytailsREACTSYou won’t be disappointed.
I am an original Star Trek "Treckie". That is someone who was there for the original premier of the Star Trek series in September 9, 1966 on the NBC Network. I was 9 years old at the time. I can assure you that this series was very groundbreaking for the time and was the first major tv series to be filmed entirely in color from start to finish. Somewhere between that first episode and today, Star Trek has become the most successful television franchise of all time. If you like good sci-fi like myself, you can feel confident that the original series will deliver most of the time. The biggest thing to remember about the original series is it's heart, which you will find out for yourself as each episode passes to the next. Even the bad episodes make a mark in this exceptional series. You will not regret watching all 79 episodes of STAR TREK : TOS.😮
I'm a hardcord original series fan first start watching it in 1982 as little kid, although there was been spin off, namely the TNG, which I like, however nothing comes even remotely close to the original series, with Kirk, spock and Mccoy and the gang riding shotgun!!!
I grew up with these characters, and the Original Series, all 79 episodes and 6 movies, and I am impressed at how well you understood the film and Kirk. Given how you were affected by Spock's death, imagine the background of knowing these characters almost as friends with whom you've been on countless adventures. It is ABSOLUTELY a journey worth taking, and you'll be surprised how much fun it is, and how thoughtful the original show can be. I hope you enjoy taking your first steps into the Final Frontier.
Thank you. Then I hope to see you again as I continue the series!
@@bunnytailsREACTSAs a long time fan of ST myself, I always appreciate when a reactor tries the original series/movies. I hope to see more of your reactions to Trek.
Amen. Also I never gave Shatner much credit as an actor until he got choked up during the eulogy for Spock. Gets me every time.
@@bunnytailsREACTS You made a subscriber out of me! The very first Star Trek movie (Star Trek: The Motion Picture, 1979) is a grand science fiction story of the Arthur C. Clarke ("2001: a Space Odyssey") type, slow and plodding in places, but beautifully shot and directed, and a big "idea" movie. If you can take a movie that reads more as an art film than an actioner, you might well enjoy it.
Also in regard to your comment about Star Wars and Star Trek being apples and oranges: yup. Star Wars is strictly an example of "Space Opera" where Star Trek is hard science fiction, but more than that, Star Wars was about making a "Hero's Journey" sort of modern myth, where Star Trek, from the get-go, is about US, and what we might accomplish if we solve our petty problems on earth, and grow up to explore the cosmos together. As you watch the original series ("TOS"), you'll see that many episodes have important social allegories and themes, about racism, for example, or the mutual assured destruction (MAD) doctrine of the Cold War. Gene Roddenberry wanted to tell stories that made his audience think about the times in which we live.
@@AlanCanon2222 thank you!
Enough can't be said for Ricardo Montalban's acting. First class. He absolutely stole the show.
You really nailed it when you pointed out that it was the relationships between the characters that makes Star Trek special. Especially the chemistry between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. TNG has better special effects but never quite captured what TOS had in character development (with the exception of Lt Commander Data of course)
A great movie and an amazing musical score by James Horner. The way the musical themes switch back and forth so seamlessly is just fantastic.
When Aliens came out, and before I knew who scored it, there were several scenes I thought the music was just sampled from this movie. Then I saw the credits.
Nicholas Meyer said his wife called it "Nautical, but nice" (reference to the phrase "Naughty, but nice.") Horner certainly hit that mark, if that's what Meyer told him. Another phrase of Meyer's I remember: "Star Trek had been military before, but I really laid it on with a trowel."
I remember when I went to the Smithsonian many years ago and they had a Star Trek exhibit there with uniforms and models and props from the original TOS series, they had a video of some pilots who were shot down over Vietnam and kept in tiny cages in the dark by the north Vietnamese for years. The guy said there was another captured pilot near enough to him that they couldn’t see each other but they could hear and talk to each other. He said the way they kept their sanity through it all was that they were both huge fans of the original Star Trek series to the point that they knew episodes by heart. They would both just go through whole episodes line by line each taking different parts to keep their minds from breaking.
The Kobayashi Maru scene came from Spock's death being leaked (purportedly by Roddenberry). Someone joked that they should kill Spock off in the first scene, just to freak the audience out. They created the simulator scene so the audience could deal with it, see it played as a joke, then bring Spock's death in at the end for a big wallop.
I've heard that same thing and it was a brilliant idea. Even if you heard he was going to die, now you think, oh..., that was it? Maybe he doesn't then. That was my thought seeing movie in the theaters for the first time. We all knew Spock was supposed to die in this movie, but after that scene, you didn't know anymore....
Big steamy plate of foreshadowing.
in the novels it is revealed that Scotty and Sulu both sort of "beat" the Kobyashi Maru simulation as well. Scotty destroyed hundreds of Klingon warships by deliberately taking advantage of a paper about weaknesses in klingon shields when in formation. The weakness was programmed into the battle sim but the paper was in error and he knew it. It had just not been removed from the sim yet.On top of that he was probably only one of a hundred people that knew of the original paper in the first place. He wiped out a large portion of the klingon fleet before the exponential spawning of klingon ships finally overcame his advantage.
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This movie is part of my Childhood! 1982 was the Greatest Geek year for so many GREAT movies! BladeRunner, Poltergeist, John Carpenter’s The Thing, First Blood, Conan the Barbarian, E.T. and TRON! Plus so many more! You should watch TRON if you haven’t already! 😎
I have not watched TRON.. yet 😉
You understood a great deal for having no experience with the series. Spock's sacrifice made you tear up just based off of the motion picture, and that's a testament to how well the movie was written, directed, acted, etc. Imagine what it means for people who have watched Kirk and Spock for many years! I tear up every time watching that scene, and I've seen it a dozen times. Shatner is often accused of being melodramatic and over-acting. But when his voice breaks at the "his [soul] was the most human" eulogy, that conveys emotion that few actors could match. Nimoy is just as good. He never played Spock as emotionless, but played him as a character always striving to suppress his emotions. That made him believable, relatable, and a rival to Shatner for the most popular and beloved character.
Khan and Chekov: they didn't meet on-screen. But the film needed someone to recall Khan. Walter Koenig (the actor that played Chekov) would joke that Khan must have met Chekov (awkwardly) in the restroom on the old Enterprise.
Koenig was so under utilized as Chekov.
However as Bester he is the villain you love to hate, and he just chews up scenes.
Yeah, it was just a mistake that got overlooked in the script process (Chekov didn't join the cast till Season 2). The novel of the book tries to cover this up by saying Chekov was assigned to the night crew on the ship during this time.
Except for one thing in the old blueprints the restroom wasn't included. 1701 A got a toilet in the brig and D got one on the prints. Guess Gene liked forester so much he expected the crew to stick the rears over the side like the old poop decks of the days of sail.
Which blueprints are you talking about, Charles? The Franz Joseph blueprints from the mid-seventies include plenty of bathrooms, as does his mid-seventies technical manual.
Of course, the TV sets didn't include toilets. Television in the sixties didn't acknowledge the necessity of biological waste elimination.
The whole joke is that Chekov was taking "too long" in the only available restroom while Khan waited outside for him to finish. Despite his superior strength and intellect, Khan's bladder was feeling like an overfilled water balloon ready to burst at any second...
When Chekov finally opened the door to leave, Khan briefly stood in Chekov's path and hissed at him,
"I will *never* forget your face!"
Great reaction - and great thoughts at the end!
On the surface, Star Wars is WW1 biplanes dogfighting, swords & sorcery, and Wild West gunslingers in space.
On the surface, Star Trek is WW2 submarine battles, Napoleonic sea captains, and detectives in space.
Both deal with humanity, morality and politics in different ways.
There's room for both :)
That is an elegant way to put that difference...
Indeed. I have never understood the rivalry and hatred. Star Wars and Star Trek are different entities, each with it's own distinct flavour, and I enjoy both in equal part. Unfortunately the flavour of both has turned to that of rotting meat over the last few movies and series.
The best explanation I have heard:
Star Trek is fine classical music- while Star Wars is rock and roll.
@@paulfeist Star Trek is Science Fiction .... Star Wars is Science Fantasy!
@@jamesalexander5623 You think that transporters, artificial gravity, and warp drive aren't fantasy, huh? Interesting...
I'm so happy a young person is enjoying & appreciating the original actors who made these Star Trek characters legendary. Stick with the series , you'll certainly enjoy the other original cast movies too. I suspect you'll really like IV.
The book Kirk and Spock quote in the movie is A Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens. Set during the French revolution, it is a story about a man who sacrifices himself to the guillotine to save the husband of the woman he loves. It is a classic well worth reading especially in light of the scenes in the Wrath of Khan. I particularly appreciate the use of classical literature in film as it gives the story more resonance as it shows the continuity of the human condition across time and, in this case, space.
My parents did not share the depth of my enthusiasm for ST, but part of my defense was its connection to classic literature and humanities and not just being mindless entertainment like Lost In Space.
It is clear that Khan was living out the revenge from Moby Dick but he did not realize that Kirk and Spock were going to live out the self sacrifice of A Tale of Two Cities.
21:50 “Is the word given?l” is an old naval tradition, meaning, “Am I free to leave my post?” It was showing how dedicated to duty Scotty’s nephew was.
Heck yeah Peter did his family proud.
@@technopirate304 I wonder if he’d survived had Scotty taken him directly to sickbay
@@mem1701movies I think Scotty got confused in the lift hence them going to the bridge.
But Peter had severe radiation poisoning from exposure to a coolant internally and externally. It may not have mattered.
@@mem1701moviesHe didn't have the power!
(SPOILERS if you have not watched the movie.) Ok, so here is what happened in the beginning. (Remember, this was before cell phones and social media). It had gotten out that Lenard Nimoy wanted his character Spock to die, which caused an uproar. And the plan was to do it early in the movie. But, with the news leak, they had to alter their plan. They staged the Kobayashi Maru in which Spock fake died. This was to make the audience think this was what they meant. So, the audience put it out of their mind until the end of the movie. Which turned out to be be a very clever deception.
"A very clever deception".......
Carefully chosen words.
Quoting "Galaxy Quest"?
@@markallen2984 A very clever deception indeed...
Interesting!
At the end, i'm always crying. I'm 55 years old. I grew up with Kirk, Spock, Bones, Uhura, Scotty, Sulu and Chekov. What a great time that was.
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I always loved the Director's Cut version of this movie over the original theatrical release. The additional footage adds so much more to the story.
The extended version included a bunch of scenes, and additional information, that the audience really didn't need. There was a reason why these clips were removed from the final release...
Knowing the cadet was Scotty's nephew would have explained why he reacted to his death the way he did.
@@WillCamx Really? Like bringing him up to the bridge? What was the reasoning behind that? 🤔
@@Tony-Plinkett That is in both versions.
The "Genesis Device" video is the first FULLY CGI Rendered sequence in movie history!
I'm an 8-bit enthusiast and while I admire the CGI, my favorite effect from this era is computer motion control, I just would love to see a dump of the assembly language routines they used for their rigs.
If I recall the details correctly, the company that did the Genesis Device sequence for this movie went on to become Pixar.
@@SoulBlazer08 that's correct
Your reaction to Space Seed is what led me to follow you. So glad I did after seeing your reaction to Wrath of Khan. You reminded me of when I saw it in the Theater when it came out. Silence and not a dry eye in the room at the end. I've seen this movie hundreds of times and I still tear up. Still THE best Star Trek movie. The Search for Spock is very close and answers many of your questions. I so look forward to seeing your reactions to TOS! Thank you!
@@AlanCanon2222you know, I think that the animation still holds up, for the simple fact that it is intended to just be a funding proposal animation by scientists that aren’t too worried about giving a pixel perfect rendering. It’s something they threw together in a weekend to show to the gorillas in the starfleet admiralty.
17:52 These three characters Kirk, Spock and McCoy each represent a different side of the human psyche.
McCoy is all emotion. Spoke is pure logic and Kirk is the mix of both. Or in Freudian terms ID, Superego and Ego.
Some of the most compelling moments of the original show is when these three would sit together and talk. Quite often they would either figure out a path out of a crisis or at least talk about it’s philosophical ramifications.
Well stated.Their 3-way discussion/argument of the Genesis Project might be my favorite single moment in the entire franchise
I never really realised or thought about it that way. But now that you mention it, I think you are correct.
I was impressed how you connected him feeling old along with all his antiques and where he was in his life, and how in the end after his battle with Khan and losing Spock, he felt young. I've seen the movie dozens of times and never realized that until your comment on it. GREAT INSIGHT 👍
Thanks! Glad I could show you a new perspective!
“His was the most- human.” Will always destroy me. Difficult for me to think of a better example of friendship than the relationship between Kirk and Spock. Great reaction and a new subscriber because of it.
The "over the top" acting was a deliberate stylistic choice. It's a style lovingly referred to as "chewing up the scenery". Extremely theatrical, not subtle at all, used in live theatre so that even the people in the back row understand what's happening. Once you see it, you'll never unsee it. There are a lot of movies that use this style to great effect. A lot of people think it's cheesy, but personally, I love it. Seems like you do, too. :)
Nicholas Meyer said that he took many takes to wear Shatner down to get a subdued performance.
My favorite Shatner acting in the Original Series is when he's not being overtly theatrical. A lot of his quieter moments, or moments when he's just being a leader is some pretty compelling stuff.
@@mem1701movies -- And it ended up being a great performance, largely because of that.
I liked it because honestly, he wasn't over the top EVERY single scene. When he was over the top it seemed to fit the scene/ situation, at least for me.
talked over”he was never a boy scout” because she’s so vein
I am impressed with how insightful and intuitive you are for your age. I have seen this movie close to a hundred times and haven't teared up in years while watching it, but you made me feel it again and I can never truly express my gratitude for giving me the gift of knowing what is coming from my dozens of previous views and still feeling "young" again. From the deepest part of my heart, Thank you!
Aww thank you so much! I’m happy ❤️
Insightful and intuitive for her age? She mentioned her age in her review of Space Seed as being 37 years old, if I remember correctly.
Being 49 years old myself, I wouldn't mind a little leeway there in terms of boldness. My apologies nonetheless to Miss Bunnytails if she found the mention of her age distressing.
I am 55 she looks 12 to me but, I didn't know she is 37. I apologize if I offended anyone, I did not mean to offend only express how people my age and older now days tend to be less insightful.@@Robert_Douglass
As someone who's getting "up there" in years myself I now know the meaning of "how time flies." *I have said before that while I am not over the hill I certainly can see the top of it, lol.*
I particularly appreciate how you are able to seamlessly adapt to the era it was made in, without kvetching about this and that... it is refreshing. I noticed this in your reaction to "Space Seed", too.
I have news for you; The moment you were watching the beauty shots of the Enterprise and saying you wanted to know about the layout, you officially became a Trekkie. Welcome, Ensign.
I feel lucky that your reaction showed up in my recommendations. Your insight into these characters, especially the deep friendship between Kirk and Spock, was surprising for someone so new to this universe. Well done.
Thank you for sharing this wonderful reaction.
Aw thank you! I’m glad, too 😁
Khan is also regularly quoting from the book Moby Dick by Herman Melville. The book is about the captain's obsession with catching a giant whale. Hollywood turned the book into a movie several times. The only version I've seen is the 1956 version with Gregory Peck. It is a great movie.
@@SwampCritter-df4od Don't do that. My comment was six days ago. A new comment would help this channel out. Ricardo Montalbahn who played Kahn was more famouse for the tv show Fantasy Island.
That is a good movie, I like to cite it as an example of how three strip Technicolor can be used to draw out subtle tones, especially the deep blues and blacks of the latter half of the movie. It doesn't have to be all brightly colored Munchkins and Emerald City.
I really like the way they weave the Moby Dick related quotes throughout the movie - and even change them a bit to reflect the futuristic time the events are taking place in. (I'll chase him 'round the moons of Nibia, and round Antares Maelstrom, etc....) Great writing.
@@kevinchute4262 but it's a literary feint by writer Nick Meyer. A Tale of Two Cities beats Moby Dick, in the end. It's one of the best stories I've ever seen filmed.
There is also a reference to _Moby Dick_ in _Star Trek: First Contact,_ but it's Picard who's obsessed in that film.
Start with the first pilot of the series. Different captain of the ship, but you will like him too. That original Star Trek episode won awards that year, and the network asked for a second pilot before the TV show Star Trek became a thing that exists, and Jim Kirk is introduced with that second pilot.
So watch the first one first. "The Cage". It is unique and sets up the show's progression.
As someone who had seen Space Seed before seeing The Wrath of Khan in the theater, I absolutely loved watching your reaction to both.
Another thing that makes this movie great is how Ricardo Montalban hit it out of the park playing Khan. When this movie came out, most people knew him as the star of Fantasy Island, a weekly network TV show filmed in Hawaii. His character of Mr. Roarke was a suave, charming wish-granter; the polar opposite of Khan. If you ever get a chance, check out an episode or two of that show. It was fun.
I always thought the broken glasses was a symbol for how much less clearly he will now see the world because his best friend is gone.
I've been a Trek fan for going on 30+ years. I probably saw this movie for the first time around then. The death of Spock always hit hard but since Leonard Nimoy himself actually died it's been extra hard.
It is always amazing to see someone new discovering Star Trek for the first time....
This series has meant a lot to me since I was young, thought me a lot in life.
I'm subscribing because you get it. The relationship between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy is classic material. As time has gone on and the original actors have aged or died, new actors have portrayed those characters, in the same way that there are multiple Macbeths or Sherlock Holmes portrayals. I don't think the original actors knew that their work would live on.
Thanks 😊
Welcome coolgareth101
One has to imagine that Star Trek is a more or less permanent franchise, like the Bible or the works of Shakespeare. I bet $5 that there will still be Star Trek stories being produced in the 23rd century. With lovingly executed practical special effects.
As a Gen X Trekkie nerd, it's awesome to see new people like BUNNYTAILS experience the timeless life lessons from TOS, or any Star Trek story! Keep going on your discovery of this universe!
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I'm 54 years old and have been a Trekkie since before I can remember. I've watched this film a lot and cry every time....
Eight months later, I'm still watching this, and I'm still getting emotional watching Bunny get emotional.....LOL
34:12 While Spock was working on the engines, he was having some very interesting inner conversations in the novel.
Spock of course knew he was going to die and decided to be honest with himself. He admitted that his actions weren’t purely driven by logic. He also admitted that Kirk and the Enterprise gang weren’t just his crew mates. They are his friends, his second family and he loved them.
In his final moments, Spock realized suppressing all emotion wasn’t logical.
Vonda McKintyre...great author.
I would point out that such a realization was part of his arc in The Motion Picture, after his "experience".
@@mikejankowski6321 Spock was on his way to it in that movie. But he never said the word love while rational.
I was eleven years old when The Wrath Of Khan came out and it is my favorite of all the films. I grew up watching the original series on re-runs and I loved that as well. And nothing can adequately describe being an eight-year-old boy and seeing the very first Star Trek movie in the theater in 1979. That is one of my most cherished memories. As for Spock's death, that scene never fails to bring tears to my eyes. Even though I know it is going to happen, I still cry every time. As for Khan himself, much credit to the amazing Ricardo Montalban in one of his most, if not his most, iconic roles. He was amazing as Khan. I grew up watching him play Mr. Rourke on the TV series Fantasy Island, as well as being in two of the films in The Planet Of The Apes series. He was also the villain in a made for television Wonder Woman movie in the 70's. I loved your reaction to this movie and I, for one, would love to see you react to the original series and the films. While I love all the Star Trek characters, it is the trio of Kirk, Spock and McCoy who have always been my favorites. I also truly believe that James T. Kirk is also the greatest captain in Starfleet history. Star Trek has also always made me look to the stars and imagine the possibilities of what may be out there. Really makes me wish there was a Starfleet; I would have joined that instead of the Navy. Even though the Navy was ten of the best years of my life.
You are adorable! You have shown us the emotions we experienced when we first watched this movie. Love the reactions and comments. The one that got me was when Kirk sees Khan and you said “oh shit!” 😂 That was perfect. Keep those coming. I be checking out your other posts.
I usually don’t make comments, Bunnytails, but you do a great job and your understanding of the shows points out things that got by me. You will not regret watching the original Star Trek. There is a reason why it was a hit and still is. Thanks ! ! !
Oh thank you!
Excellent movie with an amazing soundtrack care of the late James Horner. This is the movie that brought a lot of people who weren’t Star Trek super fans into the fold, helping to grow the fan base to great heights during the 80s and 90s.
I had it on vinyl! His soundtrack to Aliens (1986) is another banger.
@@AlanCanon2222 Yeah, Horner tended to re-use a lot of his music for different movies. You can hear the backbone for his Star Trek and Aliens scores in his earliest works - "Battle Beyond the Stars" and "Wolfen".
Nicholas Meyer, new to directing Star Trek and an overall Trek noob, reported that the entire crew was crying while they filmed Spock's death scene, and thought, "What have I DONE?!"
Wow!! Amazing to hear how invested all the actors were in these characters.
@@bunnytailsREACTS for sure! I was 13 and I missed the premiere because I actually had a stroke and was in the hospital for two weeks, but my parents bought me the cassette of the soundtrack and unlimited batteries for my Sony Walkman. Seeing the movie in the theater was my victory celebration when I was released from hospital. I think i had probably read the novel while in the hospital, which would mean that the death of Spock was spoiled for me (edit: definitely, because I can remember the descriptions by Vonda McIntyre of the radiation assaulting Spock's body), but I know I cried buckets anyway. Hope you watch Star Trek III: The Spoiler is in the Title, and Star Trek IV: the One With the Whales.
Keen observations! This is my first time watching one of your react videos and I am impressed with all of the details and plot points that many people miss on their first viewing. Well done!
Thank you!
It’s wonderful that after all these years, Star Trek is touching for a new generation.
I’m excited for your review of the original series - you won’t regret it.
I grew up on Star Trek and while not every episode is incredible, there are still many story beats that resonate to this day. Plus the characters and worlds are so imaginative and wonderful.
The lenses of kirks glasses acording to writers and director are meant to represent his two best friends and how they are helping him view his life and what hes missing turning into an antique. One lense broke-spock died
THANK YOU! After all the years and viewings, you have given me an "AHA" moment. Brilliant stuff.
Love some of the small details in this movie. Khan's and his crew's clothing is made from things they've scrapped together from their original gear when they were left behind (all the small bits of wires and metals). The small detail that gets me the most is Khan has an Enterprise "A" on his necklace to remember his wife.
This is kind of why I much prefer Trek (at its best) to Star Wars. It's not about the tech, or the gear, or even the aliens. It's about how we face things, how we treat each others and ourselves, and how we grow. Wrath of Khan is basically coming to terms with your own mortality, it's the ultimate film for those hitting middle age.
I very much enjoyed your emotional reactions to some of the sadder or more thoughtful plot points--and how you intuitively pieced the elements together, even though you are new to classic Trek and the characters. You did a great job here, and with the Space Seed episode as well. Lovely.
Thank you very much!
Anyone who doubts Shatner's acting ability has obviously never seen the funeral scene where he gives Spock's eulogy. If you do Star Trek: The Original Series, I'll certainly be there to watch it. You already got me to subscribe from this reaction.
As one of the folks who voted for this movie in your Patreon I'm thrilled it got picked and that you enjoyed it. :)
Thank you for taking the time to edit this and post your thoughts, which were very well constructed and put together. It's always fun to see someone exposed to some kind of media that you love for the first time -- regardless if it's a movie, game, tv show, or book.
I'm always impressed by how well this movie holds up over 40 years later. The model work, the space battles, characters, Ricardo's great acting, and the music are just amazing. There's reasons this has always been my favorite Star Trek movie.
Your right in that you can't really compare Star Wars and Star Trek, but I love both franchises and they both do things very well. It's much more uncommon, for example, to see a major space battle in Star Trek as opposed to Star Wars, so seeing one like in this movie is a treat.
It sounds like we convinced you to watch the original series so looking forward to that!
Bravo! As a life-long Star Trek fan since the first season of TOS on NBC, I applaud your reaction video of this and Space Seed. You ask all the right questions as you watch for the first time, and I'm so happy it's gotten you wanting to go back through the entire series. I, for one, look forward to those videos.
This script was penned and directed by Nicholas Meyer, who also was the driving force beyond The Undiscovered Country; these two are among the best of the entire film catalogue. Meyer is one of the best writers of American films including Time After Time and The Seven Percent Solution (one of his several novels based on Sherlock Holmes working cases with historical figures) as well as writing one of my favorite novels, Confessions of a Homing Pigeon.
You should check out Time After Time at some point. . .
"I feel young!"
My thoughts- the point of the Kobayashi Maru test is for Starfleet officer cadets to face death and deal with it. But Kirk never did that at the academy- he "cheated" the test because he believed he was too smart for a no-win scenario. He believed he would never have to deal with death as he has always had a trick up his sleeve... Until now.
Now he has lost his best friend. But Spock's sacrifice has not only saved Kirk, it has forced him to go through that "no win" situation whether he wants to or not. He has been given a new lease on life. And so he feels young again now having completed that important "test" he side stepped as a cadet all those years ago.
Ricardo Montalban is always a joy to watch in this. Chewing the scenery like bubble gum. 💪
Remember that the JJ Abhrams movie's events splits the timeline.
Nicholas Meyer also directed the other great OG Star Trek movie, Star Trek VI - Undiscovered Country. He also directed a classic retelling of HG Wells The Time Machine in 1978's Time After Time.
You nailed most everything about it. I liked watching you experience this film. You reminded me why I have been a fan all these years.
Thanks!
I totally agree.
Since the Original Series is episodic, if you REALLY don't want to watch all the episodes, you can get away with 5-10 selected episodes, and get everything you need as far as understanding relationships, and getting necessary backstory to prep for watching the rest of the films. --- The Naked Time, Balance of Terror, Errand of Mercy, Journey to Babel, Amok Time, and The Trouble with Tribbles.
These 6 episodes give you everything you need to know about Star Trek, if you really want to limit your exposure. They introduce all the major villains, show the relationships between the characters, and provide info to the lore. Also, they are among the most entertaining and thought-provoking episodes.
There are other great episodes, as i'm sure people will tell you. But to really "get" Star Trek, these are the essentials. To add a few more great, but not 100% necessary episodes, City on the Edge of Forever, The Doomsday Machine, Mirror Mirror, and The Enterprise Incident are considered among the best.
Kahn was played by Ricardo Montalbahn. His most famous role was in the tv show Fantasy Island. In it, he hosted several guests that came to the island. Their wishes can be granted through the magical powers of the island or they could be condemned by what they did or why they want that fantasy. The show has comical and serious aspects at the same time.
Ah, I can smell the rich Corinthian leather now!
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@@modernrelic7092 damn, you beat me to it.
What a beautiful review of an amazing film..
You had me crying as well, and I am 57 yo.
Reminds me of seeing the film for the first time around in 82, although I did not get these messages at the time.
Kirk passes the no-win scenario with flying colours.
Thank you!
@bunnytailsREACTS My pleasure.
You REALLY understood this film and what is at the heart of proper Trek.
Live long and prosper. V
Upon promotion to Admiral at the end of their 5 yr mission, he was re-assigned to Starfleet Command as Chief of Operations, his 1st assignment: overseeing the refit (compete upgrade) of USS Enterprise
This, together with III and IV, form a sort of trilogy. People have strong opinions about the next two movies but overall they are more positive than negative. I also think VI is worth a watch. You can miss V and most people agree with me on that one. :D
Yeesh... don't talk to me about V.... 🤐
VI is my favorite. It’s *so good* on every level.
I think ST3 gets underrated badly. It couldn't be as great as Wrath of Khan, but Christopher Lloyd is awesome, we get our first look at 'modern era' Klingons (inc the Bird of Prey, 1 of the sweetest ship designs ever), and another moment of loss (avoiding spoilers) almost as rough as the death of Spock.
@@Dystopia1111 Also I think a lot of people have a hard time getting over the recasting of Saavik, which I understand, it is a bit jarring and hard to ignore...
I've found Star Trek to be very worthwhile and it's been a big influence on my thinking.
If you decide to continue by watching the original series then I'd be there for it.
Thanks!
If you do decide to watch the original series, you don't have to watch every single episode in order (or at all)-although don't let me talk you out of it if that's your plan. Like most TV series from that era, every episode is a standalone, with the exception of the two-parter "The Menagerie."
Your final thoughts on this film were spot on, bunny. For someone who hasn't experienced The Original Series or watched the characters develop over 3 seasons, your insights on Kirk's and Spock's relationship are remarkably accurate. Nicely done. I'm also impressed with your take on Shatner's acting. He owned the role of Kirk from his first episode, and he's still my favorite Trek captain. Again, nicely done. You've earned yourself a follow, and I look forward to re-experiencing TOS with you.
Thank you very much!
Really good video. I found your channel through the CZcams algorithm knowing my love for Star Trek. Really great to see someone find it who didn't know it prior.
Yes, please enter into the world of Trek. Just remember, the Original Series, or TOS, was a product of its time. And the shows were remastered in the 90's (I think), so what you'll see is a little sharper and more detailed than what we grew up with in the 60's and 70's. Nevertheless, enjoy. There will be no regrets.
I really appreciate your very thoughtful recap. So well done. It's rewarding to see someone watch this film for the first time and appreciate it as much as I did when I saw it in the theater. Thank you. I was blessed.
I’m happy to hear that!
First, your reactions are mint - worth the price of admission. Second, your analysis taught me a thing two and I've seen this film 10 times. What a gift...and very well done! If I may suggest: have your own experience and watch what draws you to it next. The experience from our perspective spanned over many years at different stages of our lives than yours, so the experience cannot be recreated. Actually it'd be fun to go on that journey with you. I really hope you enjoy it!
Thanks very much!!!
Khan quoting Moby Dick like he's Captain Ahab and Kirk is his white whale is one of the many, many great things in this film.
- First of all - GREAT REACTION and COMMENTARY!!!
- Secondly - YES!! If you do Star Trek The Original Series, I am totally here for it! I've noticed more and more reactors have been going on this journey and I would love to see your take. I'll be more than glad to share with others to promote your channel.
- Third - Star Trek movies 2, 3, & 4 are all one story arc that would answer some of the questions you have. They are meant to be watched as a trilogy - kinda like 'Lord Of The Rings'.
*Star Trek vs. Star Wars - Yes, these are apples and oranges.*
- Star Wars is more of an action fantasy in the guise of sci fi. Certain elements had been influenced by Star Trek but it is a completely different animal. JJ Abrams doesn't really understand Star Trek at its core and tried to convert his version into action.
- Star Trek is closer to being more 'hard science fiction', although it is still a bit of light fantasy when compared to the real 'hard sci fi' stories. Star Trek is also heavy with social commentary. ST TOS was way ahead of its time and is a great look into the culture of the 60's.
Thank you! Any help is appreciated! I’m glad you’ve enjoyed this!
I'd follow your Star Trek videos too!
"JJ Abrams doesn't really understand Star Trek at its core and tried to convert his version into action."
He's on record as saying he never "got" Star Trek and wanted to make a movie somebody like him would enjoy. (He did say that he didn't get Star Trek when he was _younger_ but it didn't seem too convincing, and of course he wasn't going to say that he didn't presently like the thing he was making a movie for.) One thing he hated were the briefing room scenes, where they were sitting around a table and discussing options on how to deal with a problem, and I frankly think that's some of the most interesting stuff in the series. Basically, he wanted to take away the contemplative aspects of Star Trek and replace them with action, lens flare, a hundred rays shooting in all directions, and people getting punched in the face with attitude... and it makes me unhappy. I really like the submarine/capital ship feel of warfare in Star Trek, where each shot means something and there's purpose and decision behind it, rather than everything zipping around and shooting all over the place in Star Wars fashion (which be exciting and fun, but it isn't Star Trek). The worst part of JJ Trek, however, is the fact that I hate Kirk. He's an obnoxious, bullheaded brat who is basically a distasteful exaggeration of a Kirk stereotype/meme, and I was actively rooting for him to die. Spock was good and Bones was great, but Kirk was absolutely insufferable, and apparently this is a softened version, because I read that in initial screen tests, audiences felt Kirk was unlikable, and so they went back and tweaked things to try to alleviate the problem. I shudder to think how irritating he originally was. I honestly have trouble getting into Chris Pine in any role now, because I have this strong knee-jerk response against him due to his portrayal of Kirk (even though it really wasn't his fault and he was just working with the script he was given). Abrams is a good director from the stand point of quick, exciting pacing and keeping things interesting, but I strong disagree with choices when it comes to his influence on the story, and you can even look at The Rise of Skywalker, something he's much better suited to, to see how he can capture your attention and make things interesting moment-to-moment, while completely ruining a movie with stupid, nonsensical plot and creating narrative arcs that are shallow and really don't work. Abrams makes dumb movies that are much more enjoyable if you turn your brain off and don't think too much, because if you do, the flaws will eat away at your amusement. And he had absolutely no business having anything to do with Star Trek.
@@stuffyouotterlistento1461 Yeah, He has earned the name Jar Jar Abrams in certain circles for his 'ability' to make shallow, cliché action & dramatic scenes without any feeling or depth.
JJ Abrams is also ridiculed for his 'mystery box' approach to writing. He can introduce questions just for the sake of introducing questions. It can keep the viewers' minds busy with speculations that later turn out completely pointless, going nowhere.
One good example of this was the character Finn in Star Wars 7. Finn had great potential to be an interesting character with a proper character arc. Instead, Finn just meandered about in the background throughout the series.
Between Jar Jar Abrams, Ruin Johnson, KK, and the WOKE Narrative - Disney Star Wars was destroyed as a strong franchise.
PS: Nice comment BTW 👍
@@stuffyouotterlistento1461 WOW! You have given depth and dimension to my reaction to JJ Trek. So well put!
I was really impressed with your intuition about the tactics and psychology being employed during the movie. I wish you could see more of the series to really dive deeper into the interactions between Kirk, Spok, McCoy, Scottie and the rest of the crew. I have to admit that during your reaction, I really wanted to talk to you about the movie and all the little things going on that non Trekies don't get (that's a compliment). I think you will enjoy "The Hunt for Red October" (highly recommend). Some people don't get the tactics going on which really adds to the excitement, but I think you will do well with it.
Thank you 😁
Your recap and review, even more than your real-time reaction, was absolutely wonderful. Sharing the emotional impact their performance at the end (Shatner and Nimoy) had on you was heartfelt, endearing, and en pointe. It doesn’t matter how many times now I’ve seen it. It’s a fantastic movie. Especially the main characters (and most especially Ricardo’s scenery-chewing, Moby Dick angst-filled brilliance). Thank you so much for sharing this!! You have my vote, DIVE IN to Star Trek the original series!!!
Special Note: when you finish the series (the 5 year mission sadly cut short by 2 years), look up STAR TREK CONTINUES CZcams series, an absolute act of LOVE fan series (but involving many Hollywood folks including former stars from the original series and even Doohan’s own son!) that artfully bridges the gap between TOS and the motion picture. Sorry for the long comment, you have a new follower!
Great to watch somebody watch this movie for the first time as I did in the 80s. Great movie and Ricardo Montalbahn is just brilliant
We have to remember that the Enterprise had a large crew and even if we didn't see someone on an episode does not mean they weren't on the ship. The newer movies are not a reboot, they were trying to start Star Trek all over and its an alternative timeline. North Star Trek fans do not consider it Canon. Basically we do not like any of this new Star Trek. Enterprise was the last real Star Trek.
Very recent subscriber, I’ve been a Trekkie since 6, this was one of the movies I grew up watching on a constant basis, I love that you were able to connect with the series so well so quickly, I eagerly await more videos of your Trek through the Stars!
WOW!! Great Video. TWOK is my favourite movie of all time. My dad recorded it on VHS back in the early nineties and I have loved it ever since. No exaggeration I have watched this movie over 200 times. It premiered 4 years before I was born sadly and I always wished I could have seen it in the cinema. Luckily for me for my local cinema re-screened it for its 40th anniversary last year in 2022 and I was finally able to experience it on the big screen which was something I will always remember.
This movie gets better with age. As a kid It was an exciting movie with great characters and space battles, a real good vs evil flick. The older I have gotten the more I appreciated the many subtleties and complexities that the story arc and the characters bring. It is laced with messages about morality, happiness and fulfillment, self sacrifice, friendship, parenthood and facing up to the mistakes that we make as human beings.
It was amazing how much understanding and compassion you showed towards characters you had very little prior knowledge of. When you cried, a lot of us have cried at/with you. To watch a character with such a hard exterior like Kirk, so confident and self assured in TOS, break and look so vulnerable after the death of his best friend really hits hard.
I always felt the scene in his ready room when he tosses his broken glasses on the table depicted his current state of mind " guilt ridden, broken and no longer fit for purpose" when David reconciles with him it gives him a huge lift and a renewed sense of purpose as a father with the genesis planet signifying new beginnings and restored optimism for the future. Beautiful Video, Great Movie, So glad i stumbled across it.
Thank you!
People didn't think William Shatner was a bad actor at the time. He was a serious theater actor before Star Trek, and well-regarded. The jokes started when he started making music albums, and had the same sort of long pauses in that, in these fairly bizarre spoken-word performances. Nobody could tell if he was serious, or joking with it, but he seemed quite sincere which was pretty cringey. It kind of turned him into a joke for a while, although nowadays I think most people have forgotten all about his "music" career and only remember him for his acting, which is quite good.
You seem to be really enjoying the Trek universe so far so I say continue. I can't speak for others but I'll definitely keep up and watch your videos. Star Trek is a grand and very rich universe that you'll probably get a lot out of. It's all about the characters, their relationships with each other, and the morality dilemmas we all face and strive for. It's a hopeful future and it's told through a broad lens. It's a human condition story and vision that we can all take inspiration from.
Oh, and the tech is cool too 😊
I do think I will continue! 😁
"We are assembled here today to pay final respects to our honored dead. And yet it should be noted that in the midst of our sorrow, this death takes place in the shadow of new life, the sunrise of a new world; a world that our beloved comrade gave his life to protect and nourish. He did not feel this sacrifice a vain or empty one, and we will not debate his profound wisdom at these proceedings. Of my friend, I can only say this: of all the souls I have encountered in my travels, his was the most... human."
(sets up a "Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979) Is Poorly Paced" Change My Mind Table meme)
This movie and Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (1991) are better paced and intellectually deeper than the first movie, in my opinion. I've always maintained that tight writing and editing, makes for a better movie.
Fun Fact: Many of the actors playing Khan Noonien Singh's remaining henchmen were Chippendale dancers at the time of filming.
Trek Continuity Fact: Producer Harve Bennett viewed all the episodes of Star Trek: The Original Series (1966) and chose Space Seed (1967) as the best candidate for a sequel. Spock (Leonard Nimoy) even remarks in the script that this would be interesting to return in a hundred years or so to see what type of civilization had grown there. This is the first time a feature film was made as a sequel to a specific television series episode.
Historical Fact: It is a Star Trek running gag that there is a Federation embargo against Romulan Ale, but this still doesn't prevent resourceful people like Dr. McCoy (DeForest Kelley), using "medicinal" privileges as a loophole, from procuring some for Admiral Kirk (William Shatner) as a birthday present, and many Star Trek captains and flag officers have, over the years in Star Trek canon, viewed it as something of a status symbol. This was an allegory on the American embargo of Cuban made products, like Cuban Cigars.
Very Real Fact: It has been widely debated that Ricardo Montalban's chest was actually a prosthetic piece that he wore during the film. In the director's commentary on the Blu-ray, Nicholas Meyer is quoted as saying that this was, in fact, Montalban's actual chest and that he was a very muscular man who worked out. During publicity for the film, during an appearance on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson (1982), Montalban explained that he was able to achieve the look seen in this film by doing "a lot of push-ups" in his words.
It's so nice to see someone get into Star Trek and react with fresh new eyes. I stumbled upon your reaction of "space seed", so I had to watch this too. Loving it. Now I got to subscribe because I want to watch more of your trek journey! Enjoy.
Thank you!
By far the best reaction to a video. You really understood the premise of the film and the relationships of the characters and were able to convey all of that to viewers who don't know anything about Star Trek, I myself have been around since the original series aired (yes, I'm old), so I can appreciate your review as much as anyone. I have subscribed and liked and will be waiting for your next reaction. Anyway, loved the review, love you, take care and stay safe ❤️.
Thank you!