Why did the rebellion rely on the T-65B X-wing when there were cheaper alternatives?
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I think, it also makes sense, if you can't have enough pilots to man the large quantity of cheaper fighters and it's pointless to compete with the empire in production and manpower, you should go for the small quantity of more expensive and advanced fighters, rather than medium numbers of mediocre fighters. If you can't beat your enemy in quantity, you should fully commit to beating them in quality.
Art imitates life
You have to make sure that you have a robust supply of astromechs and parts to keep said advanced and complicated ships flight ready
And having a generous dose of plotanium of course. :P
Indeed.
Didnt germany try that
Another thing: hyperdrives on starfighters were a pretty new and rare thing (that's why Obi-Wan has a hyperdrive docking ring on his one-man ship in Attack of the Clones, and that's not the kind of thing you want to rely on if you're expecting a fight). That allows the Rebels to make hit-and-run attacks without having a carrier ship around to bring them in and out.
basically all republic navy fighters did not have pre-installed hyper drive. as far as i remember, arc-170 did, y wing did and V-19 with its ring. all others didn't. In retrospective, rebellion adapting y-wing seems like a big w, cause they got quite technologically advanced frontline bombers from the start.
i thought the hyper drive rings on the jedi star fighters were specifically bcuz the jedi fighters were close to custom jobs with the focus on providing as much speed and maneuverability as possible for the very few pilots (jedi) who could handle them and under normal circumstances a hyper drive wasn't rly an option.
with anakin modifying his fighter for so long that he actually managed to fit a hyper drive into his fighter but having to radically change the hull shape as a consequence
Not really new tech, the reason jedi starfighters needed them was because they were to small, and they needed more room to travel long range, larger fighters like the ARC had them even in the clone wars, the xwing was a refinement, but nothing they lacked the technology to make, just didn't have the blueprints lined up
The X-Wing had armour, shields, and ejection seats, making the valuable pilot more likely to survive, even if the ship was destroyed.
They have ejection seats? As in how to they survive in Space? unless they are on a planet
@@ronanchristiana.belleza9270 basically the entire cockpit ejected, similar to the F-111 on earth.
@@ronanchristiana.belleza9270 the seat projected a shield over the pilot
Also full life support system and hyperdrive
@@vlogmaster9568 *you'd still be kinda just out there waiting to be shot at again unless the cockpit had a means of rapid mobility and some sort of defensive capabilities not to mention able to renter a planets atmosphere without burning up*
I heard an excellent saying from somewhere I no longer remember
“We are too poor to by cheap products”
I’ll let you decide what it means
My guess, is that going cheap is only a short term benefit, and will cost more in the long run. Being poor makes you value what you do have, so you’re more conscious of long term spending. So buying the expensive one with the expectation that you’re going to keep it for longer, than buying the cheap version that you have to keep replacing.
For the rebels, it was number of pilots. They had too few to spend them all flying cheap fighters, so they have to make their pilots last as long as possible. That means using more expensive fighters.
@@DragonHeart53 spot on dude
Congrats !
Cheap stuff won’t last or take as much as quality stuff
Buy* cheap
The T-65B was also the best blend of all starfighter characteristics. It had durable shields, a decent speed, and powerful laser cannons combined with the ability to launch proton torpedos, all of which made it competent for both fighting in the air/space and fulfilling a ground-attack role.
It also excelled at the soft factors, which is something no one ever talks about. Like he mentioned, it was relatively easy for bush pilots to pick up. It was built to a high quality, and it was comfortable for most pilots, not just humans.
true. a good point for any ship is JUST how one can feild it to the pilot group as we have seen just about anyone was a pilot for em, this allows large mass armoy types
@@lechking941 Yeah. That was a fatal flaw of the Imperial Navy. Because of their strict human-only laws, they missed out on a massive pool of skilled pilots that went to the Rebellion instead.
Yup the x wing isn't amazing at anything. But its good all around a very easy to fly. The A wing was a far more capable starship but it was much harder to master and more fragile.
@@Ren-lx8wv Yeah, the X-Wing is sort of like Star Wars’ F-35
@@TBH-nu2so what about the TIE fighter?
A friend at work asked me the other day why the TIE and not the X-Wing for the Empire. It blew his mind that I knew the answer and so detailed. Thank you Generation Tech. 👊🏾
Nice man. Btw Migs Durden is a sick name if that is your name
Dang it, GT. Liking this comment for the name now too.
Of course, later, some members of the Galactic Empire understood that this was a mistake, and tried fixing it with the TIE Avenger that was the equal of the X-Wing, and the TIE Defender that was superior ... but by then it was all too late.
Basically "we hired crop dusters, so the farm plane company built some fighters"
the fun part is that this happens irl, a lot of companies like Air Tractor make military versions of their crop dusters
Presenting the Ag Husky Tactical Multi-role Fighter.
I always figured it was because they look cool and that's what Lucas was focused on when he made Star Wars.
Not to mention the name is just cool too "The X-Wing Starfighter"
It does look pretty cool
out of universe it proably was just rule of cool winning, in universe it was the fact it was so much control wise to things many bush pilots used that they quickly learned how to, also as another noted the shit had just about everything in eather a decent or better quality for a mass made fighter to keep a pilot alive for long enough for recovery.
See that’s the real reason, but it’s kinda boring to just stop there and more fun for writers and fans to explore in-universe explanations for these things.
@@lechking941 "in universe" is completely made up after the movie was a success. Besides, "it's the best all-rounder" is an equally valid in universe explanation.
In other words the Rebellion bought a bunch of "Pay to Win" ships so even their newbies stood a chance against the Empire :P
The rebels weren't the good guys, the empire spent resources into planetary enrichment and job creation schemes with the Tarqin initiative.
The fact that you're not technically wrong is making me absolutely goddamn furious
@@ladywaffle2210 Cheers to that
Well the tie intercepter had no issue destroying them.
Premium Bias
It makes sense, as it was a devopment of the z-95 headhunter which was better for small attacks than the V-wing and TIE fighter line
ah yes the renouned headhunter lines, another well developed fighter line good in small pirate skermishes and the like.
I never cease to be amazed at how detailed the star wars universe is when it comes to these kinds of details.
Speaking from a legends perspective, there are many reasons why the rebels favoured the x-wing. They were easy to maintain and repair due to a modular design philosophy. They were highly maneuverable which allowed pilots to execute precise movements when dogfighting both in and out of atmosphere. They had a shield generator increasing pilot survivability. As mentioned, they had a hyperdrive. And they were very versatile in their offensive capabilities. Dual proton torpedo launchers allowed them to add bombing runs into their mission profile so they were also able to be utilized to hit ground targets and support infantry. They were just all around better fighters than the empire's. (Yes, I'm aware that certain models of tie fighters out perform the x-wing in certain regards, but the key is that the x-wing does many things very well and TIEs only done or two things better depending on the class)
Reminds me of the old Soviet control schemes for their tanks during WWII. Most soviet farm boys could drive a tractor, so the tanks controls matched tractor controls.
Sorry but most russian farm boys had never seen a tractor or anything mechanical in their lives till they were shoved into a tank.
What you are thinking about was the US sherman tank ... Their controls had more in common with the tractors American and English farm boys were used to so there wasnt as much of a learning curve
@@celticlad3251 no source obviously?
@@bobsemple9341 Russia was still a poor backwards backwater country even after Stalin's five yr plans of forced industrialization ... Most farms did harvesting by hand or at best horse drawn equipment... you could probably count on both hands how many young Russian farm boys ever saw a tractor, let alone knowing how to operate it ..... Total opposite of American boys ... Where most had experience working with some type of mechanical vehicles ., So had a smaller learning curve.
While the T34 controls weren't especially complex, they weren't extremely easy to operate. They were very hard on ppl and until later in the war ... Many had maybe an hour or two to learn how to drive a tank.
@@celticlad3251 so still no source?
@@bobsemple9341 Where is yours that says what I comment was wrong or incorrect hmmmm 🤔🤔🤔🤔 ???????
My sources are info gleaned from historical documentaries and personal research into the time period and regions of the area that the war took place ..... Fascinated with this period of time where old world and new world existed side by side ... Also from documentaries done on the tanks and the ppl who fought in them .... Where they actually talked to the Russian farm boys that went from using old tech horse drawn farm equipment to being thrown into a mechanical rolling steel coffin. Also from indepth vids here on CZcams about the very tanks and how they worked. So unless you actually have evidence of what I said was incorrect.... Sit down and STFU.
Now that is a clever choice-
Wondering now if this is another thing disney retconned
No, this is something from Legends
Trust and believe someone is probably going to steal it
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The X-Wing was also an amazingly tough ship for it's class. Unlike the A-Wing that showed up in RoTJ.
I've heard this story for years. Thanks for the video!
This is a good explanation for why muzzle loading single shot muskets were used during the Civil War when far more modern breech loading and even repeating firearms were available. Well...half an explanation as muskets were cheaper but mainly because people were more comfortable using those firearms.
That is incorrect ... Muzzleloaders were way faster to mass produce over breech-loading and repeating rifles at that time ... Also Military top brass though the regular soldier would go through their ammo too quickly .
Also breechloaders if not loaded correctly can cause gun powder to collect around the breech and then blow up in your face unexpectedly. They were mostly used for specialized units like sharpshooters
Same with the early repeating rifles ...hard to mass produce and had paper cartridges that broke open and exploded when the gun was fired ... That changed with Henrys and Spencer rifles that used brass cartridges.
Both breech and repeating rifles had issues with getting enough ammo to the units that used them ....where as the standardization of the muzzleloader cailber it was much easier to do so
I would be surprised if George Lucas would give this answer back when he was making the movies lol
most of the pilots early in the rebellion were recruited from the old republic. also the X-wing was very similar to the Z-95 headhunter so the older pilots were capable of piloting the X-wing.
Incom basing the design off the Z-95, brought a lot of features forward that pilots desired - especially the survivability. It was a tougher design that could take a pounding.
If my legends knowledge serves me right it was a combo of things; the rebels didn't have as large of a Starfighter fleet so they needed craft that could do multi role like the x and y wing. They didn't have as many carriers as the empire so they had to have Starfighters with hyperdrives, they could never produce the quantity to keep up with the empire in fighters or pilots so they had to make quality ones with higher pilot survivability.
I've never worried about the Rebel alliance finances . Thanks
They're just lucky Palpy preferred the Tarkin doctrine over Thrawn, the rebellion wouldn't have even started if he had.
I like how he explains this video as a documentary like we are discussing reality. 😂😂😂. Please also explain why Vader used the 4000 series life support suit instead of the 6000?
Russell Casse: "I can fly. I'm a pilot"
To put it in perspective, the German Tiger's driver had a steering wheel and clutch similar to most of the Volkswagen cars, so tank drivers have an easier learning curve. It's also why American grenades are ball shaped and why drones can be flown with your choice of XBOX or Playstation controller.
Rogue One was such a good movie. Love seeing original trilogy ships fighting eachother with today's CGI.
A T16 was what I flew when I was a kid as well.
In addition their design was derivative of the mass produced ARC-170 Starfighter and V-19 Torrent from the Clone Wars. As these fighters were deployed, stationed, garrisoned, and shot down in all corners of the galaxy, parts from them were readily available to any rebellion terrorist cells looking to outfit and maintain any reasonably successful units.
Because it was a good fighter that was well rounded and had shields
Don't forget the onboard astromech. Having a copilot capable of directly controlling many of the onboard systems would be an invaluable advantage, allowing pilots to focus on flying rather than having to monitor all of the aforementioned complex systems.
It’s basically a straight up upgrade the Z95 headhunter they were using before. Which was created by the same company, Incom, which also created the T16 skyhopper (which could be used as a training device) so why wouldn’t they use it?
no. I never wondered.
Many are correct in these comments, but I don't know how canon it is anymore; but Incom Corp had a huge storage yard on a planet called Wayland (Weyland, sp?). The whole corporation was in on helping the Rebellion, designers, test pilots, janitors, security guards who let Rebellion pilots come in a TAKE the X-Wings. Some 5,000 if I recall. When I find this source, I'll post it. But, this was how the Alliance had such a huge starfighter corps before Yavin. But, this was unlike the theft of the Y-Wings as a company that was driven out of business by the Empire, Incom got their revenge.
A rebel pilot, even a green one, has a decent margin for error in an X-Wing thanks to the shields it used. You only screw up once in a TIE fighter.
Allen you nailed it !
Weird amount of lore, I dig it
Reminds me of the way American tanks were designed in WW2, with controls set up to resemble the controls of a common farming tractor. Most of the recruits were farm boys from the country side and while not very mechanically inclined, most of them knew how to drive their tractors back home and so could adapt quickly to the tanks.
They actually had a small shield generator as well
It like the tanks and planes of ww2. A lot of the pilots and tank drivers were farm boys who flew crop planes and drove tractors
Thats true according to the offical time line.
Ignore all the fluff made after the first Star Wars film for a moment if you will. Look at the rebel ships, they are all old, worn out warhorses salvaged from some Imperial dump. They were the leftovers from the Clone Wars, whatever those were supposed to be originally. The Rebels were using old decomissioned heavy fighters like the X and Y wings (no A or B in EPIV) while the Empire had transitioned to smaller, faster point defense Tie Fighters. Remember how the rebels blew up just as easily as the Imperials in the DS battle?
All that has been lost in the lore expansion of the games, books and new movies.
They should have used a droid fleet like vulture droids of the cw era and maybe a ion cannon equipped ship like the malevolence
This is fucking wild. It's like designing a cesna with the same cockpit as an F-16
X wings also had shielding
Because of graphics and cameras abilities
It was the cost, free and given it was built out spare parts.
They were good all rounder starfighters and in general were good enough to outclass most tie fighters. they didn't need perfect what they needed was just good enough to best there projected opponents the X-wing did this.
What *were* the alternatives anyway?
This video reminds me that Rogue One is a special movie and probably the last good Star Wars movie
I hope thats true because ot makes sense
Or just maybe it’s just what the prop builders made in 1976 over @ILM
I actually want to know why the X-Wing and TIE fighters and other spaceships are all designed as if they were made for atmosphere travel. The amount of time that they actually spend in the atmosphere is very limited so it would be beneficial to have a design that was made for outer space. And given that the X-Wings and TIE fighters do not use propulsion engines that provide thrust by in taking of air they wouldn't need their engines in positions where they are located in the movies
What movie is the first scene in this video?
Because it looks cool.
My question: How can the ships in space from Star Wars rotate without thrusters in all directions? There's also no air to use wing flaps, so that's out too. What tech do they have that I'm unaware of?
Imagine my surprise when the answer was "its like a cessna 172" more expensive than a piper cub but just as intuitive and reliable.
GT wheres your source on this? You guys are forgetting the X-Wings shield generation ability. The TIE Defender was able to match it but that project got skrapped with thrawn going voooooosh. The x wing was quite a well versed craft
The main reason must be it looks cool on camera!
and the most important reason: it looks cool af
Would be cool to see what each fighter would be compared with in modern military fighters. So would the X-Wing be compared to an F-15 or the Typhoon? Would the A-Wing be compared to an F-16?
No. But great info. 👍
So it’s like a Cessna, everything flys like the 172
As an American:
You need the *best* fighters
You also need a slew of *cheap* fighters to augment
Who would win an X-Wing or the Arc-170 Starfighter?
I’d think the X-Wing, just because it looks like the Arc-170 Starfighter but with improvements
Why was the T-65 X-Wing used? Because it's awesome!
The X Wing Pilot suits
should have pressurized astronaut helmets....
OMG LuKes toy from obi wan made me wanna cry
My guess would be.. X-Wing is just so Smexy 😁
They used the X-wing because they're very cool.
You may be overthinking this? 😂
It's just a movie. A great movie , but just a movie
The empires pilots had numbers and training on their side while the rebels had better equipment for the most part their fighters had shields and Astro mechs for example
I find it every weird the rebels had donors not surprising reminds me of boosters of colleges
In legends income itself was on the side of the rebellion and as I recall was donating x wings
Don't forget that it was designed by the same group that designed the ARC-170!
Because it looked cool. That's the actual reason. 100% fact.
"It's not that kind of movie, man"
Good grief, it was in the script it's a story 😂
O T65 é o F-15 dos rebeldes.
Similar controls and flight characteristics? Son, the DC-10 and the F-18 are made by the same company and that is about it in similarities.
It all makes sense now…
Short answer: because it looks cool as fuck
So they made a starfighter that handled like a Cessna.
What about the u-wing?
What about the ship Bode akuna pilots in jedi survivor.....it kinda resembles an X-wing
Same company, that's an Incom Z-95 Headhunter made for the Republic in the Clone Wars. The X-Wing was their next-gen fighter.
And it was a hell of a lot better designs in an Imperial TIE.
What about the Z-95?
the shoot from the inside cockpit was ridiculous with all that swaying.
Rebels had a whole episode dedicated to stealing the X-Wings to use for the rebel fleet
Big armies don’t wing wars, good ones do.
Don't forget about the guys who made the X-wing were competators against the guys who made the TIE.
X-wing, the AK of star fighters
The answer is that's what they decided to make the ships look like when they made the film
Shields?
And here I thought it was because the Rebel officers simply hadn't slept through all of their classes on every subject in military everything.
I have never wondered this. Nope.
Bush pilot i prefered a desert landscape
So when the fighter was being developed by Incom, the Empre began cracking down on independant starfighter manufacturers. The X-Wing was so effective in its test runs, that the Empire decided to jail the entire design team. Finding this out, the Rebellion helped the design team escape with their prototypes and plans. Thus the REAL reason the Rebellion uses X-Wings is because it is the one fighter they make themselves.
So you are telling me, the empire just attaches lasers to some tiny pieces of metal with crappy engines and low dilurability? Keep in mind this is a Galactic Empire, with a massive ammount of resources and money, and that's the best they can do? Meanwhile a Rebellion, not an empire, just a group centered around fighting against them have better ships, a hyperdrive, better maneuverability, better pilots, and more lasers. The only empire fighters I can respect is the Tie Intercepter and Tie Defender and Tie Bomber. The Rebellion has those but better. The Empire was in no position for a war if thats the best they can do.