Larenz Tate is shamefully underrated as an actor. He's kind of like the black Gary Oldman. He has an incredible range and can literally play any part. Ironically, if this movie had come out within the last few years he probably would've garnered a Best Actor Oscar nomination.
This is a dramatized version of what really happened. If you research Frankie Lymon, he had just got a deal to record again and that's what lead to him overdosing.
Not just this scene Juan but pretty much this entire film was dramatized. After watching it someone might get the impression that Frankie was a wasted talent who was not strong enough and independent enough to stand on his own and make it in the world. What the film conveniently left out was how Frankie was taken advantage of and raped by a grown woman when he was still just a boy which basically scarred him for life. Sure he made mistakes on his own along the way but the people in his life who were supposed to be there for him and protect him ultimately failed him in every conceivable way.
I don't believe that. At all, I do think they denied him and the owner of the label was once asked about it. He tried covering it up. He was rejected I just know he was, but this movie is horrible representation of him, and it doesn;t look like him at all. I think the end was the only thing that was right. I know he didnt party that night, I know it. I just feel it, he died saddly and I know it. Performing was the air he breathed, being rejected would have crushed him completely, and him being clean for two years going back on the same dose he left off on would have caused an overdose. I know several herion addicts and this is very common with them, they typically overdose after being clean for a long time. One guy in my area a super nice guy, overdosed after struggling for a few years with herion samething. He got clean for a little while and slipped , overdosed and died. So anyone who says anything is I know is not true. I just know it, if I was anyone in my past life even tho i dont believe in past lives I think I would have been Frankie Lymon, idk why. I just do, I know he was rejected I know something bad happened. I sense it, I feel it. And they're were several people who had hinted to the label guy about it, . Anyone who knows the music business at all would have denied him. The music industry was changing, the music business is expensive, they don't have money to take chances on everyone. What he should have done while clean was try to revive his imagine to a changing music era and a good manager would have encouraged him to do that. He wasn't selling as many records in the songs he did before we went clean and into the army along with his new wife he met. He not only was struggling with drugs during that time but his sells were dropping because he was doing alot of cover songs, which is what they do when you are not making enough money, and eventually you are dropped, this happened to Leona Lewis. When her sells dropped she started getting more cover songs and eventually was going to be dropped until she decided to end the contract herself. So taking a chance on him with as prejudice of a time as it was, yah right. I know something bad happened. I just sense it in my gut...
@@xyPERSON Of the movie left out a ton of important things. There was a script written about him with the intention of making of movie but this script was never used and someone else made the film. I was really soo upset by the film. It doesn't look like him at all, I wish I could just remake the movie myself.
@@xyPERSON I think the only right part of the film was the end and how he died. Obviously they hit some basic facts, but he looked like he was lip sycing the actor. He didn't act or talk like frankie lymon at all, which was the worst part of the whole movie is they didn't even try to find a "Good Actor for Frankie Lymon", he swears every five seconds which I doubt frankie lymon did, Frankie was very charming, very smart, and intelligent for his age. it is good to note that he was not chosen to be the lead singer because the lead was sick, the producer heard him in the background and tried him out for lead because he was a great singer. So they tried him out and it stuck. No one knows that part. Also a lot of things you are not allowed to say in a label, so there was a lot that frankie lymon was most likely not allowed to say. So like how the label slowly removed the teenagers from the covers. Frankie Lymon didn't have a good hand or good management when he went solo. He went solo because it would have happened anyways, he was the strongest potiental artist. He had the biggest career so it would only make sense for the music company to eventually move him out. However managers in labels at that time were very crooked unfortunately. One thing that has really been improved in labels today is helping young artists transition into adult success in the changing markets, a good manager would, but a lot of the managers didn't have very artist friendly arrangements. As soon, this is with any mainstream label, as soon as you sign to record under a label, you sign your rights to the label, so the label all owns it, they have owned it ever since they started recording since why do fools fall in love, so the anger about the end where the "Wives were stiffed", this was very common under labels and still is today just not as bad as it was, where in order to record in a label at all whether its sony or gee record frankie was once under, as soon as you sign it they now have all the rights and royalties to your songs and i'd be thousands of dollars to get that back. So if you leave the label unless you have the money to fight it, you agreed to it, even tho most managers in those days failed to address this.
In real life this happened the exact opposite Frankie did leave Emira to go make a comeback but they did give him a chance to record a new song and that’s when he decided to celebrate by doing drugs so basically the movie made it look like he killed his self on purpose but in real life he overdosed on an accident
@Emontre waters But for how long would he have stayed clean is the question. I agree that Morris was an a@!hole and could have been kinder but the fact is he was no worse than others at the time and Frankie was no longer reliable. Morris needed singers and performers who were capable of keeping his cashflow going because at the end of the day he was a businessman after all... whether honest or dishonest.
In my opinion, this is how I think the news about Doo-wop being dead should've gone out: "Elvis Presley kicked it out with his moves, The Beatles stomped it out with the British Invasion, Motown brought in something new, and Hendrix is taking the music somewhere else."
I HATE MORRIS HE SHOULD LEAST GIVE HIM A JOB TO BE ON MOTOWN RECORDS AND SOMETHING WORK WITH MICHAEL JACKSON IN THE JACKSON 5 THAT WERE BE GREAT FOR MICHAEL JACKSON AND FRANKIE LYMON WORKING TOGETHER THAT PUPULUTY BE GREAT FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO SEE THOSE TWO TOGETHER MICHAELS JACKSON AND FRANKIE LYMON DACING TOGETHER ON STAGE
This is why I don't like movies that are "Fictionlized Versions" of someone's life, which are supposedly based on the real life story. I like to see a movie that's either a true story and as accurate as humanly possible, or a movie that's just purely fictional. I hate when they present something as the "True story" when it's actually just a bunch of crap that somebody made up. This scene shown here is NOT how it actually happened. Frankie Lymon was actually given opportunities to make a comeback but he didn't capitalize on them. Instead he went down a dark path. This scene was very well acted, but since it's actually completely inaccurate that sorta ruins it.
not to mentioned the Fania All Stars(El Gran Combo de Puerto Rico and late greats such as Celia Cruz and Tito Puente) also took Doo Wop out of business during the late 60's with The British Music Invasion,Motown in Detroit and Stax in Down South with our bands with Jimi Hendrix,Johnny Rivers,Santana and most of our acts with the Canadian Rock Bands thrown in.
That's why you should think twice before starting as a kid. Once the "cuteness" and the kid voice are gone, that's it. Sure, some make it to adulthood, but most of them don't.
Or it could be that he figured that if he'd talk fast and say everything necessary, that would get him through. If he had not spoken fast and Morris spoke when he did, Frankie would've probably figured that it's because he didn't say everything.
In actuality he really did have a deal with 20th Century Fox and had recorded two new songs and was getting ready for a major comeback. The night before he was supposed to fulfill the plan he took herion to celebrate as he was clean 3 years prior. I’m no rocket scientist but if he was really clean at that time it kinda sounds like he was murdered
@@TheMindlessIntellectual89. Or he did a dose that was big enough to get him high when he was using and didn't account for being clean. I'm from the place in the entire world with the highest overdose rate, and I've lost so many friends to an OD. Lots of times it happens when they're trying to get clean.
@@TheMindlessIntellectual89. Who said that though? I doubt thats what happened. I know tons of herion addicts and this is the most common reason why herion addicts die. Is they will be clean for awhile then go back to theyre old does and it kills them. Like this is the number one reason why herion addicts die. My second cousin was a herion addict, she's done thins several times, she didn't die but one day she might... someone near us died for the exact same reason. I can keep listing them. Anyone who knows real herion addicts alive or dead, this is a pattern. Herion in my opinion is by far the worst drug of all, I think its worse then meth, I know past meth users who have recovered actually many, most herion addicts never stay clean, theyre is a peom about herion and its basically the saying is it will take you too your grave and it does. Herion is a really bad drug, I honestly don't know any drug worse then herion...
Morris Levy was the bad guy of Roulette Records. Tommy James and the Shondells was on Roulette which was owned by Morris Levy with hits like “Hanky Panky”, “Mony Mony”, “Crimson & Clover”, “Crystal Blue Persuasion”, and “I Think Were Alone Now”.
Frankie was black balled to many reasons his skin color, his potential, drugs, and he robbed George goldners house because he felt like he was getting robbed and he was so he went to George goldners house he’s the like the CEO of Frankie’s label and took some jewelry he was intimate with his niece George found out Frankie stole it and he was completely black balled and was probably a hit in Frankie considering Frankie’s label roulette record is heavily mafia associates which makes his death fishy to me also on top of rumors of Frankie getting paid for shows and not showing up not going to studio sessions
"In case you don't know it, doo-wop is dead. The Beatles stomped it out, Motown kicked it out, and Hendrix took it some place else." Ooooh! Now that's big news an ol' doo-wop artist wasn't prepared for.
That's cold 😅 who TF cares u still got it 🤌🏾...Incase u didn't notice ...doo wop is dead. That's cold to say that to a actual doo wop artist that's tryna come back 😅
Larenz Tate is shamefully underrated as an actor. He's kind of like the black Gary Oldman. He has an incredible range and can literally play any part. Ironically, if this movie had come out within the last few years he probably would've garnered a Best Actor Oscar nomination.
Yeah we need Gary and tate in the same movie now that would sale
This is a dramatized version of what really happened. If you research Frankie Lymon, he had just got a deal to record again and that's what lead to him overdosing.
Wish they would have showed that
Not just this scene Juan but pretty much this entire film was dramatized. After watching it someone might get the impression that Frankie was a wasted talent who was not strong enough and independent enough to stand on his own and make it in the world. What the film conveniently left out was how Frankie was taken advantage of and raped by a grown woman when he was still just a boy which basically scarred him for life. Sure he made mistakes on his own along the way but the people in his life who were supposed to be there for him and protect him ultimately failed him in every conceivable way.
I don't believe that. At all, I do think they denied him and the owner of the label was once asked about it. He tried covering it up. He was rejected I just know he was, but this movie is horrible representation of him, and it doesn;t look like him at all. I think the end was the only thing that was right. I know he didnt party that night, I know it. I just feel it, he died saddly and I know it. Performing was the air he breathed, being rejected would have crushed him completely, and him being clean for two years going back on the same dose he left off on would have caused an overdose. I know several herion addicts and this is very common with them, they typically overdose after being clean for a long time. One guy in my area a super nice guy, overdosed after struggling for a few years with herion samething. He got clean for a little while and slipped , overdosed and died. So anyone who says anything is I know is not true. I just know it, if I was anyone in my past life even tho i dont believe in past lives I think I would have been Frankie Lymon, idk why. I just do, I know he was rejected I know something bad happened. I sense it, I feel it. And they're were several people who had hinted to the label guy about it, . Anyone who knows the music business at all would have denied him. The music industry was changing, the music business is expensive, they don't have money to take chances on everyone. What he should have done while clean was try to revive his imagine to a changing music era and a good manager would have encouraged him to do that. He wasn't selling as many records in the songs he did before we went clean and into the army along with his new wife he met. He not only was struggling with drugs during that time but his sells were dropping because he was doing alot of cover songs, which is what they do when you are not making enough money, and eventually you are dropped, this happened to Leona Lewis. When her sells dropped she started getting more cover songs and eventually was going to be dropped until she decided to end the contract herself. So taking a chance on him with as prejudice of a time as it was, yah right. I know something bad happened. I just sense it in my gut...
@@xyPERSON Of the movie left out a ton of important things. There was a script written about him with the intention of making of movie but this script was never used and someone else made the film. I was really soo upset by the film. It doesn't look like him at all, I wish I could just remake the movie myself.
@@xyPERSON I think the only right part of the film was the end and how he died. Obviously they hit some basic facts, but he looked like he was lip sycing the actor. He didn't act or talk like frankie lymon at all, which was the worst part of the whole movie is they didn't even try to find a "Good Actor for Frankie Lymon", he swears every five seconds which I doubt frankie lymon did, Frankie was very charming, very smart, and intelligent for his age. it is good to note that he was not chosen to be the lead singer because the lead was sick, the producer heard him in the background and tried him out for lead because he was a great singer. So they tried him out and it stuck. No one knows that part. Also a lot of things you are not allowed to say in a label, so there was a lot that frankie lymon was most likely not allowed to say. So like how the label slowly removed the teenagers from the covers. Frankie Lymon didn't have a good hand or good management when he went solo. He went solo because it would have happened anyways, he was the strongest potiental artist. He had the biggest career so it would only make sense for the music company to eventually move him out. However managers in labels at that time were very crooked unfortunately. One thing that has really been improved in labels today is helping young artists transition into adult success in the changing markets, a good manager would, but a lot of the managers didn't have very artist friendly arrangements. As soon, this is with any mainstream label, as soon as you sign to record under a label, you sign your rights to the label, so the label all owns it, they have owned it ever since they started recording since why do fools fall in love, so the anger about the end where the "Wives were stiffed", this was very common under labels and still is today just not as bad as it was, where in order to record in a label at all whether its sony or gee record frankie was once under, as soon as you sign it they now have all the rights and royalties to your songs and i'd be thousands of dollars to get that back. So if you leave the label unless you have the money to fight it, you agreed to it, even tho most managers in those days failed to address this.
He should have auditioned for Motown.
Yeah that would have worked
Well Larenz Tate going to play Barry Gordon in the new Michael Jackson movie that coming out next years
By the time Berry Gordy was starting Motown, Lymon was already washed up, a has been. They wanted the stars of tomorrow, not yesterday.
In real life this happened the exact opposite Frankie did leave Emira to go make a comeback but they did give him a chance to record a new song and that’s when he decided to celebrate by doing drugs so basically the movie made it look like he killed his self on purpose but in real life he overdosed on an accident
So true.
I feel like if they incorporated that into the film it woulda been classic.
True
I hate movies, entertainment, and the media always exaggerating and putting an extra twist on shit!
definely true
Frankie should have just went home to his beautiful wife ,and started a family
Which one at the time there were 3 women claiming to be his wife it didn't take until 1986 for them to solve it through court.
@@AshleySmith84-ie4of well yeah your not wrong
Had Frankie cleaned himself up I could imagine him going to Motown. Same with Clyde McPhatter.
Lol I still got it lol JUNKIE 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
So sad for brother frankie 😢 the brother should gave him another other comeback opportunity peace ✌
Old Soul. Right, but don't call my man uh JUNKIE! too! DAMN!
I WERE LOVE To SEE FRANKIE LYMON ADDITION FOR MOTOWN THO THAT WERE GREAT ❤👍
That woulda beeen hard 🔥🔥🔥😂
Ikr
I love that scene
You totally forgot, Morris called Frankie a maniac by saying he's a crazed maniac
His part so funny... still got it...lol ...
Poor Frankie
I can't believe morris treated him like that😡😡
He was such an asshole.
Sometimes you can’t help junkies. They’re a lost cause.
Hell the truth hurts…every time Morris gave him a chance, he kept dropping the ball.
@Emontre waters pretty sure it was too late for him
@Emontre waters But for how long would he have stayed clean is the question. I agree that Morris was an a@!hole and could have been kinder but the fact is he was no worse than others at the time and Frankie was no longer reliable. Morris needed singers and performers who were capable of keeping his cashflow going because at the end of the day he was a businessman after all... whether honest or dishonest.
Morris Levy wants nothing to do with Frankie he refuses to re-sign him because of his drug use so he thrown him out of his office
Can you blame him?
No
No shit dude , we’ve all watched the same clip
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Instead of doing that he should've gave him a card with the number of a good drug rehab center or something.
Rip Greg Page. ...
Awwwwww so sad rest in power Greg page 🙏 😢 😭😭😭😭😭🥺
In my opinion, this is how I think the news about Doo-wop being dead should've gone out: "Elvis Presley kicked it out with his moves, The Beatles stomped it out with the British Invasion, Motown brought in something new, and Hendrix is taking the music somewhere else."
Damn...Morris said who TF cares u still got it 🤨...that's cold 😩🤦🏾♀️
@@Mone333Williams It really is.
I HATE MORRIS HE SHOULD LEAST GIVE HIM A JOB TO BE ON MOTOWN RECORDS AND SOMETHING
WORK WITH MICHAEL JACKSON IN THE JACKSON 5 THAT WERE BE GREAT FOR MICHAEL JACKSON AND FRANKIE LYMON WORKING TOGETHER THAT PUPULUTY BE GREAT FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO SEE THOSE TWO TOGETHER MICHAELS JACKSON AND FRANKIE LYMON DACING TOGETHER ON STAGE
Hell no. Drug addiction takes a lot of work. He wasn’t working hard enough to work with them. Shit ain’t for free
Jackson’s weren’t really in the business at the time either you
@@jaquaveonandress649 Yes they were!! Summer 1968, the J5 signed with MOTOWN, Prior to that they were signed to STEELTOWN RECORDS in1967.
Jackson’s weren’t even out yet maybe if he never overdosed
@@RICHBLACKCOCK and Frankie was already dead in February of that year.
This is why I don't like movies that are "Fictionlized Versions" of someone's life, which are supposedly based on the real life story. I like to see a movie that's either a true story and as accurate as humanly possible, or a movie that's just purely fictional. I hate when they present something as the "True story" when it's actually just a bunch of crap that somebody made up. This scene shown here is NOT how it actually happened. Frankie Lymon was actually given opportunities to make a comeback but he didn't capitalize on them. Instead he went down a dark path. This scene was very well acted, but since it's actually completely inaccurate that sorta ruins it.
That guy was a bit rough on him...maybe he could have been a bit more progressive and had Frankie sing something contemporary.
Contemporary didnt exist, and the label doesn't work like that lols.
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@@HelloooThere lols I agree :)
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@@HelloooThere your funny!
Frankie Lymon got Jesus
not to mentioned the Fania All Stars(El Gran Combo de Puerto Rico and late greats such as Celia Cruz and Tito Puente) also took Doo Wop out of business during the late 60's with The British Music Invasion,Motown in Detroit and Stax in Down South with our bands with Jimi Hendrix,Johnny Rivers,Santana and most of our acts with the Canadian Rock Bands thrown in.
And don’t forget the Philly soul sound as well, and the man behind Fania was Joe Bataan.
Frankie Lymon is the reason Frankie Beverly adopted his name He loved lymon he was his hero
Doo Wop not Dead. FRANKIE LYMON dead.
That...is a jew...for you.. Use you up toss u out
Bruh don't blame Jewish people for his own waste of talent.
Did you record this from a flip phone pointed at a projection?
You watch your mouth boy!
They need a remake of his biopic with an accurate story.
Imagine being told this at the age of only 26! Being told you're a HAS BEEN😔 WTH? HIS LIFE WAS JUST GETTING STARTED!
That's why you should think twice before starting as a kid. Once the "cuteness" and the kid voice are gone, that's it. Sure, some make it to adulthood, but most of them don't.
And i'm 26
Age has nothing to do with it. Look at Macauley Culkin. After home alone 1 and 2 no one knew who the fuck he was. He was a has been long before 26
I’m 26 myself
@@Sal_Sal27 Only a couple have made that transition into adulthood the best example being Michael Jackson and that was even a battle for him.
Frankie was talking too fast; that shows he was on heroin.
Or it could be that he figured that if he'd talk fast and say everything necessary, that would get him through. If he had not spoken fast and Morris spoke when he did, Frankie would've probably figured that it's because he didn't say everything.
In actuality he really did have a deal with 20th Century Fox and had recorded two new songs and was getting ready for a major comeback. The night before he was supposed to fulfill the plan he took herion to celebrate as he was clean 3 years prior. I’m no rocket scientist but if he was really clean at that time it kinda sounds like he was murdered
@@TheMindlessIntellectual89. Or he did a dose that was big enough to get him high when he was using and didn't account for being clean. I'm from the place in the entire world with the highest overdose rate, and I've lost so many friends to an OD. Lots of times it happens when they're trying to get clean.
@@nailersrule or what he took was mostly pure
@@TheMindlessIntellectual89. Who said that though? I doubt thats what happened. I know tons of herion addicts and this is the most common reason why herion addicts die. Is they will be clean for awhile then go back to theyre old does and it kills them. Like this is the number one reason why herion addicts die. My second cousin was a herion addict, she's done thins several times, she didn't die but one day she might... someone near us died for the exact same reason. I can keep listing them. Anyone who knows real herion addicts alive or dead, this is a pattern. Herion in my opinion is by far the worst drug of all, I think its worse then meth, I know past meth users who have recovered actually many, most herion addicts never stay clean, theyre is a peom about herion and its basically the saying is it will take you too your grave and it does. Herion is a really bad drug, I honestly don't know any drug worse then herion...
Frankie lymon should have got a come back your welcome to ask me why
Morris wants nothing to do with him
Morris Levy was the bad guy of Roulette Records. Tommy James and the Shondells was on Roulette which was owned by Morris Levy with hits like “Hanky Panky”, “Mony Mony”, “Crimson & Clover”, “Crystal Blue Persuasion”, and “I Think Were Alone Now”.
@@Musicradio77Network yeah I know but he refused to re-sign Frankie because of his drug habit
Morris is an idiot and racist 🤦🏽♂️
@@michaeljohnson-ug4gr I know he is
LOVE....YOU CAROLYN. .
Frankie was black balled to many reasons his skin color, his potential, drugs, and he robbed George goldners house because he felt like he was getting robbed and he was so he went to George goldners house he’s the like the CEO of Frankie’s label and took some jewelry he was intimate with his niece George found out Frankie stole it and he was completely black balled and was probably a hit in Frankie considering Frankie’s label roulette record is heavily mafia associates which makes his death fishy to me also on top of rumors of Frankie getting paid for shows and not showing up not going to studio sessions
Doo-Wop not dead... i got thisperson name TREY; DOO-WOP
Funny
Its crazy that no one in the comments seems to know much about Morris Levy LMAO “how could he?! 😱” Do you know who he was? 😂😂😂
Who the fuc cares you still got it? Ha ha
"In case you don't know it, doo-wop is dead. The Beatles stomped it out, Motown kicked it out, and Hendrix took it some place else."
Ooooh! Now that's big news an ol' doo-wop artist wasn't prepared for.
That's cold 😅 who TF cares u still got it 🤌🏾...Incase u didn't notice ...doo wop is dead. That's cold to say that to a actual doo wop artist that's tryna come back 😅
Can't stand Morris
😂😂😂😂
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Inject testosterone?
Your not a cute kid anymore lol
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He turned into O-Dog 🤣🤣🤣🤣