RadioMaster MT12 Surface Radio - ELRS, EdgeTX, & More!!
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- čas přidán 20. 07. 2024
- In this video I check out the brand new RadioMaster surface radio: the MT12! This new transmitter features first in class tech like the open source EdgeTX operating system and ExpressLRS protocol, giving you incredible long-range capabilities, near infinite customization, smoother operating, and low latency. Priced at 129.99 and including a variety of different accessories, this is a great value!
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Timestamps
First look and key features: 0:33
Receiver: 6:28
Demonstrations: 7:19
Final thoughts: 14:58 - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Timestamps
First look and key features: 0:33
Receiver: 6:28
Demonstrations: 7:19
Final thoughts: 14:58
That's the beauty of edgetx. You can set up proportional rear steer on the mixer screen!!! Just turn the wheel and both axles react accordingly
This is long time overdue! Finally I can use one good radio für most of my surface stuff. There's nothing better than a open source firmware for stuff like this, because it's actually does what the users want, not what the manufacturer allows. This will put a lot of pressure on the competitors! Serves them right!
I mainly fly quads and ELRS, EdgeTX were huge disruptors in that hobby, in an amazing way for consumers.
Hold down SYS to get to the system menu, choose ExpressLRS and then you can set your packet rate and other parameters in there.
Great review mate. First time viewer of your channel (I came because of the MT12 review by an RC car (rather than air) guy), and now I'm going to have to look at some of your other videos as that Vanquish sure looks interesting...
Thank you! The vanquish is a beast
This radio is a transformer from a future planet 😊
So very cool!.....I use a RadioMaster Tx16S as my go to air radio and I love it. I have been hoping and waiting for them to come out with a ground radio. Yahoo!😀
me 2
Great video! glad your "diggin" the MT12 😎
It’s an amazing radio, thank you!
This is great! Thanks for the great review. You sold me. I just ordered mine. I’ve been looking to get away from the spektrum radios. I hate the interface and layout.
Looking forward to this radio! 🤘🏻
Great video. Love the review. Perhaps a little deeper dive on the programming side of it would help a bunch of us!
Gotta love how the stickers are for the tx16
Can not wait for the touch screen!!!!
That is incredible.
Can you do a video walking through the process to set up a new model and program things like steering epa trims?
I have the 4 in 1cbunds perfectly with my first gen scx24. Have my ELRS MODULE comming tuesday
I see some screw spots on the radio can't wait for the handle to come out and or other accessories
I want to know if this (with the 4-in-1 module) will work with the Losi Promoto mx 1/4-scale motorcycle and, if so, how you would need to program it for that RC motorcycle. It would also be interesting to see if this motor cycle will work as well with a ELRS receiver but I doubt it as the receiver provides some stabilization functionality.
Would you know how to bind the MT12 to a stock trx4m ESC I am ha I g trouble getting it to work. Any help would be appreciated. Love the channel
I have my MT12 bound to my serpent nitro buggy and I can't trim the throttle, steering trim works on 2 switches. How can I trim both steering and throttle ?
I like the lanyard, a lot. Mostly you know because I drop stuff.
I want to bind it to the AE-6 in my Injora nylon rock buggy SCX24
I'm sold.
Does the throttle and steering seem smoother than other radios and more accurate with the hall sensors? When i used to rwce drones and put hall sensor gimbals in my frsky it was super nice. Also when more people start using this transmitter its going to be the future just like in fpv facing and freestyle
I feel like it’s smooth and ultra responsive.
@@CapeCrawlersI plan to waterproof the receiver. Any chance you took the case off of the receiver to see what the built in antenna looks like? I wonder if it will damage anything with waterproofing
I tried to contact Radiomaster but they have not replied yet, thanks.
Hey thanks for the video…does it support MOA dual esc crawlers ?
I have to think it does. The mixing functions are very customizable. You can add multiple channels to a particular function. I know because at one point I accidentally had the steering and throttle going simultaneously with the steering wheel 😆 So I would imagine if done correctly you could run dual escs
@@CapeCrawlers thanks man! Appreciate your answer and all your efforts on video content 😊🙏
If you can plug it into a receiver port, you can control it. ;) You can assign the same input (i.e. wheel, throttle, switch) to any channel (mixer). And it doesn't even have to act the same for each channel (i.e. one channel might be reversed, or have different rates, expo, etc than the other)... the possibilities are endless...
Hello. I recognize that the choice of a radio depends on individual preferences and specific needs. Despite watching several videos about this radio, I've noticed a common theme where they fall short in truly elucidating its uniqueness. Thumbnails often boast phrases like "Best Surface Radio Ever" or "Game Changer," yet the content tends to highlight features without delving into their significance or why they are considered groundbreaking.
For instance, many mention "EdgeTX," but the videos rarely expound on what this feature entails and how it contributes to the radio's distinction. This situation reminds me of my previous experience with the Taranis X9D, which was also touted "open source" but ultimately offered only marginal advantages over my Futaba 14MZ.
I then switched to the Radiomaster TX16s, only to find it lacking in standout features. Now, I've acquired the MT12, and I'm questioning its uniqueness. The primary reason I opted for it was the Multi Module. Regrettably, it has limitations, supporting only one TRAXXAS receiver and no LOSI receivers, at least for now.
Speaking of the Multi-Module, it seems to be the sole standout feature across these radios. I appreciate your insights on this matter.
I got it to bind to one of my old DSM receivers. The more I learn about the radio and edgetx..... I'm not surprised because there is so much confusion about what works, what protocols to use etc. How stupid is this.... the protocols list for DSM.... has DSM2, DSMX, DSMR (and radiomaster says it doesn't work for DSMR, but it does). Nothing is listed for DSM1... the old original spektrum system. So I figured I was out of luck for all my old spektrum rxs. But then I saw the LOSI protocol for an old Losi system lsr-3000, which looked like it was probably the old DSM1. Guess what....got the MT12 to bind to an old Spektrum sr-3000 using the LOSI protocol. But it only worked when I had the radio actually touching the receiver. So why is that information not known and provided.... by Radiomaster or the Edgetx community? Maybe it is... and I'm the only one who hasn't seen it
@@teamfusionracing Merry Christmas! I completely understand your perspective. The documentation could certainly be improved, and it might have been wiser for them to delay the release by a few more weeks or months. This is especially true considering that there wasn't much anticipation or expectation for a surface radio from Radiomaster initially. I acknowledge that there's a multitude of protocols for aircraft, but the situation is different for cars. It would have been better if they ensured coverage for the main protocols, or at the very least, verified compatibility with those that are commonly used. I conducted a ChatGPT search, and the results indicate that some devices use the same protocol, suggesting that they should have ensured compatibility with those to enhance user experience.
Certainly, I value the open-source initiative and all, but a bit of constructive criticism wouldn't hurt, if you ask me.
Spektrum: Protocol: DSMX (Digital Spectrum Modulation) and DSM2 are the primary protocols used by Spektrum.
Futaba: Protocol: Futaba uses its own FASST (Futaba Advanced Spread Spectrum Technology) protocol.
Traxxas: Protocol: Traxxas uses a proprietary 2.4GHz protocol for its radio systems.
Flysky: Protocol: AFHDS (Automatic Frequency Hopping Digital System) is a common protocol used by Flysky.
Tactic (Hobbico): Protocol: Tactic typically uses the SLT (Secure Link Technology) protocol.
Hitec: Protocol: Hitec uses its own 2.4GHz AFHSS (Adaptive Frequency Hopping Spread Spectrum) protocol.
Sanwa / Airtronics: Protocol: Sanwa and Airtronics use the FHSS (Frequency Hopping Spread Spectrum) protocol.
Kyosho: Protocol: Kyosho uses various protocols, and it can depend on the specific model. Some models use the KT-231P 2.4GHz FHSS protocol.
Arrma (Horizon Hobby): Protocol: Arrma models often include Spektrum receivers and use DSMX or DSM2 protocols.
Redcat Racing: Protocol: Redcat Racing uses 2.4GHz protocols, and the specific protocol may vary by model.
Associated (Team Associated): Protocol: Associated often uses the 2.4GHz FHSS protocol for its radio systems.
@@fc1133the mulit module project is a one person operation they just reverse enginger how the proticals work and use the 4 most used chips to get the 4 in 1
@@cazadon I regret not being aware of this earlier. As I mentioned earlier, I purchased the radio with the assumption that it would be compatible with Traxxas, but unfortunately, it isn't. Moreover, the efforts to make it compatible are dragging on for an extended period. While I understand the person assisting me is doing their best, it doesn't alleviate my frustration much.
Is there a center detent on the potentiometers used for 4ws?
Yes
Both pots have center detents.
Have you bind it to any of your fms trucks I really need your help with this thank you
I have not. I’ve been using it with the radio master receivers only
Hi I only have fms trucks which one of the mt12 radios would you recommend that I can use with the fms recievers
You would want the 4-1 if you plan to use with other receivers. I’m not positive the FMS receivers are compatible though
Ok thanks
Hey have you try to bind the radiomaster to a spectrum DSMR receiver???
IT Will Not bind with Spektrum DSMR They said
@@TommyMartinMSRRC I'm pretty sure that if you get the 4-in-1 version of this radio (or the 4-in-1 module), it will bind with DSMR.
@@bugman72 well I let you know after the first of the year because my wife order me one and going to get the 4 in 1 I don’t really care about the one with ELRS distance. Thanks
@@TommyMartinMSRRC mine is supposed to be delivered this Saturday, so I'll try it out next week and post back here.
I’ve been looking for a radio that can replace the many radios I have sitting around. Most are Traxxas but a couple spectrum units as well.
What I’m really interested in is the 4 in 1 module since they list Traxxas as a compatible receiver that it can bind with.
Have you or anyone actually bonded to Traxxas receivers and find that it works? Cause I’m about to click the “Buy” button now lol
Nobody gets this - you are one of the few ones. Adam did also not get it - ELRS? Cool - but for a Crawler? Only if you wanna do long range FPV, and for racers because of the speed.
So sad, watched _all_ YT video reviews of this radio out so far - and not a single reviewer talked about the 4-in-1 and to what protocols it could bind, not even tried.
Thought Adam, micro crawler guy, would do it. But he did not get it either, recommends ELRS... what a bummer. For the audience of Cape Crawlers 4-in-1 is the thing, and not ELRS.
Hope soon a truck (Micro crawler) guy with a bit of knowledge of this will get this radio
So far all reviews are more than disappointing - no news you would not get from description.
There hasn't really been a reason for the Multi devs to work on compatibility with surface radios because of AFAIK there has never been a surface radio with Multi support. That's a long way of saying that it doesn't really support that many proprietary surface radio protocols. That being said it wouldn't surprise me if the Multi devs are excited to have a whole new world of protocols to hack, and Multi modules are super easy to update so there may be more support soon. Which might be a boon since RadioMaster loves to release premium versions of their radios about 6 months after release. So waiting might not be a bad choice here not only to see how Multi support goes with surface protocols, but to also see if RadioMaster follows their usual MO and releases something like a "MT12 Max" that has decent QOL features as well as having hardware like the buttons(and possibly trigger and wheel) upgraded with CNC metal parts.
@@donaldsneffe I came here to say basically the same thing. The 4-in-1 module is where it's at, IMHO. Being able to bind to many different RTR receivers is key. The fact that you may not have to buy a receiver for the new vehicle you just bought is a BIG deal. Just bought a new Axial, you should be able to bind it to this radio. New Traxxas? Bind it to this radio. Kyosho Mini-Z? Bind it to this radio. Having previously modded a Devo 7E with additional RF modules and running an open-source OS (Devention), I know of the HUGE benefit to having a multi-protocol radio. This is what has been needed in the surface market for a LONG time.
@@CDRaff There are already a multitude of protocols that surface vehicles use that are supported with EdgeTX and thus with the MT12. Traxxas, Spektrum (DSM), Flysky, FrSky, Kyosho, Futaba, etc. The key to this radio is the ability for it to bind to a surface vehicle's OEM receiver. I would be surprised if most, if not all, of the major players in surface vehicles already have their RF protocols covered by this radio and EdgeTX. I can't confirm yet because sadly I don't have one in my hands yet. But as soon as I do, I plan to get with my LHS's owner and we're going to go through all of the brands he carries to see what does and what does not (for now) bind to this radio.
@@bugman72 ... but unfortunately will not work (at least not for SCX24 v2 and all FMS/Hobby Plus trucks). Curious if it will work with TRX-4M and (3 different?) Mini-Z. Mine is on the way, should arrive soon...
Noble looks very cool, Futaba...just for the name is very cool, Sanwa too. They are legends. But..this radio is like the Tesla. I hate myself for making this silly comparison ;D
I have the NB4, besides looking a bit more polished and having ui/screen to match, I can't think of anything that it does better functionality wise. One thing is for sure, the RadioMaster receivers are cheaper.
I have a NB4 and a Noble Pro - but the big difference is: You will have to buy the 4-in-1 version (NOT as he said the ELRS version!) and it will bind to a ton of your protocols, you can use one radio for all. Still not sure to which protocolls it will bind (for sure Spektrum, Hitec, Sanwa, Futaba, Flysky AFHDS and AFHDS 2s, and to all the "Fly Protocols" of the small drones and planes) - nobody of the reviewers checked it so far, all only show ELRS. Would be awesome if it binds to the SCX24s, Traxxas, Flysky ANT (Hobby Plus, FMS), AFHDS 3, ...
@@donaldsneffe You can get the 4-in-1 separately as a module. Best of both worlds either way as you can get an ELRS module as well.
@@mikesyr I preordered the 4-in-1 and can get the ELRS module in case I should need one day. However, I do have the Radiomaster Zorro for about a year now, 4-in-1, and never missed the ELRS so far. I am not a long range FPV guy and no racer, so wouldn't need ELRS, my Zorro binds with all my RTF drones, my UMX planes, my helis, that's the cool thing.
@@donaldsneffeit won’t do Ant or AFHDS 3.
@@techstuff6829 But maybe in future... who knows. Would be awesome.
Radio master makes top notch stuff I have the Boxer and a friend has the 16x and they are beautiful especially for their price. This is not your radio link transmitter!
Edgetx. & Express Long Range system .
When too much is really too much ....😎
I really want to be excited for this but I just can't. The unintuitive interface is very off-putting. To put it simply and bluntly, this seems to be a surface radio designed by drone pilots, it doesn't meet the needed criteria of what surface RC people want.
The radio is a nightmare unless you already have a background in Edgetx radios and understand the complicated way everything works. And then you have to translate some things because it's not a stick radio and we aren't using it to fly things. The real issue is not the complication or capability of edgetx.... learning to unlock the power of what all it can do is great if you want to do that. The issue is that out of the box, the radio is almost unusable.... and the only way to make it function for even basic rc car use, is to navigate some of the complicated edgetx system. Some sort of simplified user interface would be great, not sure if that's possible. But at the very least, it needs some pre-programmed basic models with the normal, basic functions that rc car radios do. One for a crawler, one for a race buggy, one for a basher, etc... with simple trims, endpoints, expos using the radio's gizmos. This radio can do things no other car radio can do.... it can be awesome. But... just a heads up. It also takes hours to set this radio up to have the same basic functions as you get in any entry level car radio. Having said that.... the CZcams tutorials are great.... really helps to see how others are setting up different things.
Nice video but I still don't understand why and how this radio is "better" than other radios? Sure, it has EdgeTX and ExpressLRS, but how does this actually make it "better" than other radios? 99% of rc car drivers do not need super mega hardcore long range, so having it only makes it "better" for 1% of drivers. EdgeTX means what exactly? Other radios do what they are supposed to do so how can EdgeTX be "better"? I don't get it.
To me, it is like having a SWISS ARMY KNIFE in the kitchen and all you need to do is cut onions and salary. You just need a knife. All the other features are not necessary and useless. Thanks.
It's a different thing. You can customize the hell out of it, for a basic 2 channel rc car it's not better any way. But if you're in RC construction vehicles it's a dream. You can controll all the lights, crains, stabilizers ect from this for half/ third the price of a 16 channel radio...
Yoooooo