A quirky plywood rocket with sawn-off scow bow - can the Ace 30 disrupt the IRC racing scene?
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
- Lightweight, stiff, stable and voluminous, this Ace 30 is full of clever thinking - and it shifts! With an IRC rating of 1.014 can it threaten the likes of Sun Fast and JPK? See our January 2023 issue for more
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Thank you Toby,
I love it how the French are constantly pushing at the boundaries of yacht design,
We British used to be the ones doing all the innovation after the war, and of course there are many pram/scow dinghy classes like Cadets, Mirrors, Miracles, Fireballs, Poole ABs, Scamps, etc.
But it is the brilliant French designers on the west coast who are leading the world now, and you are absolutely right to be featuring their designs so much these days in Yachting World
Thanks Andrew!
Considering the quality of british food and the legendary beauty of your girls, there's no mystery why brits became the best sailors in the world.
But nowadays, things are evolving fast, and as more and more random stuff and strange religions are entering our french territory, the call for the sea is rising fast.
Multi-Million dollar yachts or unique non traditional designs - You can always count on Toby to bring a classy presentation. Love the variety - Thanks Toby!
Thank you!
Reminds me of a fireball dinghy
The Fireball dinghy designed by Peter Milne who went onto designing the Salty Dog a very fast 27ft cruiser. I bought number 1 and became very good friends with Peter.
Came here to say the same
Yes but my Cedar Mahogany and silver Ash Fireball looked beautiful and was stunningly fast. A really nice dinghy to sail.
@@rosewood1 Am I correct in saying the Fireball was an Olympic Class dinghy?
@@roncooper6302 Flying Dutchman yes (like a big Fireball 😂) , don't think the Fireball ever got there..
Love it! Great to see guys like Antoine try new things, if it wasn't for people like him, we'd all still be living in caves. Go it, the bow came off one of those Dutch sailing barges.
Lemsteraak or a Skûtsje you mean?
@@absolutwater Yep,yep! Those lovely boats, with the leeboards on the side and the curved gaff on the mainsail.
@@MrBluebeard3 You mean a schouw. Which cannot be coincidental that it's also used in English as 'scow'.
Same basic design parameters; cheap to build out of flat (steel) plates.
@@d.j.vanderschoot3717 Thanks DJ, I'm learning s lot tonight, I just remember thinking there were some cool looking traditional boats in Holland, cheers.
The Ace 30 is one superb looking scow sail boat I cannot remember ever seeing such a brilliant engineered Boat and want to monitor its racing progress and owner designer comments on this one squared away vessel of fun.
Nice video Toby ! It was a pleasure to sail with you for the EYOTY !
The IRC TCC is 1.001, by the way ;-)
Should be called the Narwhal IMO. Cool boat.
Is it comfortable or does it slam a lot? Toby, I think you should add some accelerometers to your toolkit and give us some numerical insights into how comfort or not the ride on the different boats is when there is a seaway.
Awesome, would like to see a sea trial under 25kt wind. I await for that. Congratulations to the designer
Unfortunately it's still 700kgs (1400lbs) too heavy compared with a similar concept designed 50 years ago where I live albeit with a carbon rig...
Same boat made in cold molded wood with say 500kgs less would interest me greatly simply for the available space inside, but otherwise too heavy as it stands today. Pity.
@D R Depends on how you use it. It's far stronger if properly used and is usually lighter also. But you are correct.
An interesting and fun boat
But I had a good laugh when I saw that monitor stand, that pressed board on which the monitor is mounted looks very modern
Reminds me of the yachting world diamond from the 1960s. I have one and I absolutely loved it.
Realistic setup.
Unlike boats with a nav desk you can't sit at, which serves only one tack, they have a standby watch seat for both tacks which functions also as a navigator station.
The only problem being that someone will eventually grab the nav station arm for support and take down the whole thing.
And the trimmer smoking, bravo!
Why is it always the guys in Wellies and shorts that smoke 😂 edit: and they’re probably also the foredecker
My left ear loved this.
A lot of fun downwind, how did she perform close hauled?
I guess it is a type of design where the waterlines of the tilting hull while sailing to the wind remain similar to the waterlines with the ship flat on the water. Especially the keel should remain parallel to the waterlines. Ships that have a classic bow and (very) wide transom tend to advance sideways regarding their waterlines while tilting. The form of the hull under water can rotate several degrees in relation to the keel. There is for me no doubt that those designs are far more efficient than the classic Sun Fast types.
Reminds me of the first kayak I made. Similar shape. At a big kayak dealer event the guy with the company that had the most kayaks that day told me that in a canoe he could beat any kayak 'here today.' He told me that canoes skim, kayaks displace. My first kayak was a Great Auk design 17.5' x 23" beam. I think it was a skimmer. I consistently averaged 4.3 knots over 3-4 hour paddles. (I was only 50 at the time. Santa Monica Bay so not rough. Usually almost no wind.) So one of Tony's first comments "skims," I think is spot on. Since that first G.Auk I've built two other kayaks (both extremely narrow and long 18' and 19', beams 17.5" and 16") and have a commercially made kayak 19' - I've never been anywhere near 4 knots for more than a few minutes. I think some of the newer designs, like the Beneteaus may also be skimmers. And caveat, I'm no expert, I'll humbly defer to being set straight. Looks like a fun boat.
Beautiful! Amazing!
This is a 'schouw'. Very common classic boattype in the Netherlands
Hi Toby, hope you are well and enjoying life. You'll be terrorised with comments about this no doubt, when you export the project, go to settings and export with Mono audio.
I'm looking at this from a budget view:
You've just saved 2m off dock/yard fees by cutting off the part off the boat that doesn't have any internal volume...
It's ugly but I like it!
Hi Toby, waiting for your tests on Rapido's. Cheers
What's it like in a east coast short sharp chop?
I used to have a hard chine Thunderbird classic racer, and I miss it. This looks like some sort of sci fi version of it. The famous Ragtime transpac sled was a stretched thunderbird, and it hauled ass in its day. My TBird was pretty stable and balanced as well, not sure if the hard chines had anything to do with it.
Ragtime was designed by NZ designer John Spencer who had had a thing for somewhat narrow hard chined plywood hulls, they tended to be rocket ships off the wind but not so good to windward.
Very nice flat water vid. How does it perform in my sailing place's usual nasty/short chop ?
I want to learn more about this boat! The hull/bottom looks very much like my school design, Although mine was all motor. Since then I've wanted to re-do it as blue water capable sail boat. It had drag coefficiency of 0.7, so turning it to sailer, it would be very close to this.
we keep seeing the scow shaped boats in flat water, can we see what they do in waves , both swell and chop, still trying to get my head around it
I have a 1969 26ft international folkboat (IF). With the Spinnaker in 14kn and flat sea it goes 7.5kn.
Is the sound only in one channel?
Yep
Yep
I predict the next development will be 'X' bow that you see on tugs. Not pretty but it will provide a great deal of room in the forepeak.
if its a short hand racer, hows it going to perform in a rough upwind passage? Would like to see
Wow, 👏👏👏 I love it, 14 apparent 10 knots
looks really nice.... just a note your sound is backwards
meaning left and right are reversed
show the beating upwind in an actual sea. a bathtub looks good down wind on a flat sea.
Beautiful Racer…
i'm very interrested by the Scow design, but all videos i see are in very calm sea whith very small waves and downwind sailing, what about rough sea and upwind sailing?
It's a good video, nice boat. Audio is sometimes mono ;)
How does it go to weather in a good chop? Slamming? Wet?
I can't imagine but that blunt bow works as a break in other-than-ideal conditions.
Ever seen an Optimist' sailing in rough seas ?
@@team3383 I did see a video once of one getting swamped and sinking.
@@ajnasreddin One; once ... Are you aware of how many optimists there are sailing worldwide ? LOL.
Wake up mate.
We are living the 21st century.
Have a look at modern boat design and get up to date on it.
If you think this design is a brake in anything else than ideal conditions then stay clear and let us people who recognise the advantages of it show you how seaworthy and how much efficiant and faster (and actually safer) than traditional bow design.
@@team3383 Modern boat design, eh? Yeah, I've heard of a number of keels snapping off with modern boat design.
This boat is probably nice when surfing, but I wonder how modern design will fair when caught in bad conditions.
@@ajnasreddin Dude. I understood you the first time around.
There comes a time when clipper ships and yachts with keels the length of the waterline are history.
Nice to look at and sail on on a fair day; but history.
Modern designs are far more reliable, efficient and safe.
Even the foils are sailing around the world and I don't mean the AC race horses with assymetrical sails.
Step into the 21st century and have a look mate.
I like a classic yacht like anyone. They're nice at the helm but nicer in photos. Cheers.
Think this hull would be very economical with engines!
nice boat, that the rudders and tiller look cheap and looks like it could break any moment.
300k on the water, that's a lot of money for a splinter, it's not a bad boat but it needs to be at least in the same price range as other 30ft racers, if not cheaper, what a loss
For this amount of money you can get od30 or sf3300 with options and have a lighter hull that doesn't fear scratches as much
love it
Looks to be a really fun boat. Is there a head, I wonder?
Ashtrays?
easy to make a fast boat, easy to make a sea-worthy boat, but they ain't the same boat.
this looks like a good middle position, and relatively cheap. should prosper.
Should be named “Nice Personality”
It looks like my old Thunderbird F@#%ed a Cybertruck! 😆
Beautiful
Does it go upwind or just downwind?
Are plans available?
Big bow wave
It’s a giant Rainbow class.
Must be scary sailing downwind in big waves. Not for me being a old seadog
if anything scows are more stable and less wet so only better for big conditions.
I doubt it's 100 m squared gennaker, probably 100 square metres. There's a huge difference.
Ha ha That Pesky math again!
ace of spades , If you like to gamble , I tell you, I'm your man , win some, lose some , it's all the same to me , ace of spades, ace of spades.
Ugly awkward. Fast? If you have to walk backwards to get aboard without seeing it, I guess it'd be fun to sail, but sheesh!
Half of sailing is how awesome sailboats are, IMHO.
The hull shape is extremely similar to the small race boat called the Fireball of 1962. Nothing new.
The sound is really off: mostly coming through the left ear, hard to hear listen to through headphones.
Toby, OK it’s a racer, we get it.
Floating brick.
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looks like my nephew's optima on steroids. stick steer and all
Ugly but certainly as efficient as other scow designs, even I. Roughness!
Wheres the shitter?
Забавный гроб.
Bowling, darts, pool, sailing.
name four sports where you can have a beer in one hand and a cigarette in the other and call yourself an athlete.
Clearly haven't raced a dinghy...
@@General_Crock It's a joke.... seeing that guy smoking... I know sailing is a sport you noob.
@@jaysparc I wish I was a noob 😕. Cheers.
@@General_Crock I thought noob was nicer than humorless dwarf.
What a misery of boat
Ugly, I wanted to like it, but it looks like a Dutch Herringbus
It’s undeniably ugly