Why the ugliest boat ever? - Ep117 - The Sailing Frenchman
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- čas přidán 23. 07. 2020
- Pretty or not is a all about taste, but why is the bow of my boat rounded is the real question.
The scow is a design which has been around for more than a hundred years but only recently they have been introduced into offshore racing sailboats design. More power, less drag, more comfortables, not much to disagree with, and the boat is fast for sure!
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10 minutes of the sailing Frenchman is not enough per week. I need more. 😅
Congrats on the new boat..safe sailing and fair winds ahead 🌷🌷
Excellent tour Hugo. Merci!
Good informative video. I have not followed Minis since 2001 ! One more advantage of the scow type hull is that there is less asymmetry in the immersed part of the hull when heeled. I do prefer the pointy hulls, but these scow hulls with foils are just awesome.
Sometimes the ugliest things become beautiful through best function. The shape reminds me of some surfboards.
You're in for some seriously interesting racing. Looking forward to coming episodes! 🤙🤙
Here is for some more >> czcams.com/video/IpK7y1O5Jb0/video.html
Chapeau ... a tip of the hat. Now and again, somebody thinks out side the box.
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Good episode/ good tour! Thx, Andrew
Very similar dimensions and mass as my Sonata though my boat doesn't do that speed. Mini Transats are awesome. Stoked that my favourite sailing channel is now sailing my favourite boat.
I learn so much from you... Thanks so much.... Love this sailboat... Fast an smooth!!! ✌🏻💗😊❣️
Yes, the snub nose bull shark designed hull I would love to hear more. I live in the NW USA and have never seen this before.
In my opinion the most important factor, is that in the capsize test, the boat floats differently (bow down/up), allowing for more sail power and canting keel angle, which benefits performance; as you have more power to sail, it compensates for the less efficient shape. Also, the boat tends to sail on the side narrow chains, to use the rest of the body as a lever.
😁😁😁Tu m'agace ! C'est trop injuste ! Tu as le courage de faire tour ce dont je rêve.
Continues, ça me permet de le faire par procuration.
Very clever design for a boat limited by LOA. Sort of reminds me of the North Sea Ulstein X-bow supply vessels with their "inverted" bows.
Old designers trick.... rounded ends (as you heel) extend the water-line, the spoon bow will also plane down-wind preventing the bow from burrying!
Been waiting for the next one.Looked you up like ten minutes ago.lol
Lets be honest (as a french guy). Thank you British sailors for the creation of this amazing mini class.
Thank you Mate.👏👍⚓️
Looking forward to seeing you taming this.
Here is the first trainings > czcams.com/video/IpK7y1O5Jb0/video.html
Found your videos today . Fantastic I would like to get in to it , maybe not race but as a sailing hobby . I saw in on video that you had it on a trailer . Is it legal to drive on roads in France and spain ? I am Swedish but live in Estepona spain . Thank so much for all info .
You didn’t mention the advantage of more internal space for sail storage and better sleeping options. I think that it is awesome. There are a lot of traditional Dutch barge boats with the rounded bow style. And there are other performance advantages when healed to do with the immersed shape of the hull against the wide stern wedge shaped hulls which are slightly pushing their keels sideways through the water.
We need more than 10 minutes ...😉
Please send us more of sailing training with this amazing boat 👍
Here you go >> czcams.com/video/IpK7y1O5Jb0/video.html
@@TheSailingFrenchman amazing boat . I love it. You will have a lot of fun, but you will need also a lot if awareness to keep the balance and the full potential of this boat. 👍
Salut Hugo, un vraiment beau bateau. A bientôt. Marc
👍👍 super vidéo continu comme ça thank you man
Have you any comments on small boat self steering option?
Can't wait !!! CHEERS !!!!
Great boat, looks strange but sure makes sense under the class rule. Good luck with it, i think the shape has a lot of potential.
Thanks @Tom à la barre - Napadélis 882 for pointing me to the sailing Frenchman !
When is your first race Hugo? Also, when the Clipper Race restarts again, will you be rejoining Ha Long Bay or is this your new full time commitment? Hope you keep well :).
Hey, Google for ‘Dutch skûtsjesilen’ for traditional dutch sailingboats with round bow even with a sort of foil along the sides realy cool
I want to build the Revolution29 in a couple of years, do you think it would make for a good cruising yacht?
Yes
That was super cool. Thanks. How would a little boat like this be for long distance solo cruising?
This boat is a class mini 650. Every two year this class holds the minitransat. a solo race across the Atlantic (East to West) at full speed (it's madness).
Plenty of minitransat videos on CZcams. Check it out.
Verry nice vidéo ! I juste discover your channel, it's interesting, i didn't know this kind of design !
Glad you like it! Here is a bit more technical info on the boat: czcams.com/video/Hk0G13ptKYk/video.html
I want to build one of these. More details on how the layout makes solo sailing awesome please! Perhaps compare and contrast with your old boat setup?
Shall do, stay posted
Interesting design!
Bonjour Hugo. Does your Mini Transat 6.50 have a canting keel (like on IMOCA 60 or VO65 boats)?
Mine doesn't since in the production class, the prototypes are allowed to have canting keel
Dig your videos Hugo. Get extra props for that generator.
I'm wondering how it performs in green seas. With such a flat bow is it like hitting a brick wall if you plough into wave ?
I beliee it would rather bounce on the wave, that's why they're faster than traditionnal boats.
I couldn't quite see what was going on with the mast removal. I take it that the mast was supported by the halyards of the adjacent boats?
Exactly, using the 2 boats as crane
Wow, that's crazy light. How is steerage? Reminds me of those short flat bottomed whitewater kayaks that turn on a penny and not easy to paddle in a straight line.
Steerage is super light, really well balanced boat
Can you tell me how you can use a depth sounder and a speed WITHOUT a hole in the boat???
Echo goes through the hull, depends on the material, the thickness and position
It doesn't have to be pretty. It just has to be first over the finish line.
spoon shape hull work well on small sailing boats: see Yann Quenet's 4 meter long "Baluchon" who take a world tour ...and after some mods is now close to start another world tour!
Where would you buy one of these or similar 2nd hand? Have not been able to find any. There's like 2 Pogos on the whole internet. New for LDB/MAXI looks like the only option at the moment.
yeah love your videos Hugo and that is the UGLIEST boat ever for sure. Thanks and looking forward to more from you.
I’m just starting to look at sailing. It’s unfortunate, for those of us beginners, that your accent in English sounds like (and in closed caption) turns “planing” into “planning.” I think that performance during planing is crucial. It makes sense to me that this hull form is very functional, since performance of the heeling boat hull while planing is very dynamic and stability of this hull during that dynamic situation reduces drag at the bow (where it is not needed).
@9:55 genius! Using two halyards from the neighbouring boat to remove the mast!
Old trick but kudos for using it!
good informative.
What about waves? I only see videos where there are not many waves. I mean, does it not stop the boat when it hits a wave, instead of cutting through a wave?
Presumably the 1.6m draught is so she can access the french canal system??
Pretty sure no, they are built for the Trans Atlantic and nothing else really
It's an offshore racing yacht, why would you want to stick it in a canal? 😂
Hello, how should I contact to see price list? I am not a racer but offshore sailor. Regards and good luck for your race, Paul
J'aimerais trop avoir un révolution 22 ou 29 personnellement je n'y vois que des avantages !
This comment is very late, so I don't know if it will be seen. But my understanding was that the scow hull form created more form stability, with a lot more buoyancy to leeward compared to a more conventional monohull form, almost like a catamaran. And so more sail carrying power. This was not mentioned in the video. This was certainly the reason the hull form was used on inland lake racing scows in the United States, like the big A scows.
These boats are so wide, i have just realised that my Hirondelle catamaran was slight less wide and slightly longer.
Can't wait to see your next video of the boat out on the water. How is it going with finding sponsorship?
Fast on the water, slow on the sponsorship side... but not loosing face :)
Looks dumpy, goes fast. No problem 👍🏻
I think your Mini is super hot!!! Some like them perky and some prefer big and round Ha! Ha!
I love the bow. I love my Pogo 850 too
Can you point as high as a traditional hull shape?
A lot of Minis have used hydrogen fuel cells in the past. Why did you choose to go with a Watt and Sea generator which increases drag?
Did you watch the video? Did you listen to Hugo's explanation?
Hugo's boat is not a Mini.
I don't get the point of the hydrogenerator, its useless when you are in port, and slows you down under sail.
Une chaine incroyable qui m'a donné envie de faire de la voile :-) Merci encore pour tout le contenu ! Aussi dans l'episode 30 il y a un titre de EMUNA STUDIO "crazy" introuvable sur internet. As tu une info car je suis tombé amoureux du style. Merci encore pour tout ! J.W.
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That boat is not ugly, it's beautiful!
Couldn't agree more with you ;)
Like a slow version of C-Scow. These are scary- if you have the wind.
I really like that little boat. Nice wide beam and the bow lines do not into the interior and it hauls fucking ass man. Thank you for posting the links to the builders and designers.
le volume devant stabilise le bateau au portant et le rend moins piégeux
I've seen plenty uglier boats than that! Your boat looks fast.
Your boat looks great- good luck sailing it. These boats need less open cockpit and more protection for the crew. When heeled over water comes back along the topside into the cockpit. When planing the bow wave moves aft and dumps water onto the crew. I see this on video- I dont sail!! An enclosed cockpit would be safer for long voyages like the Mini Transat, classe 6.50 should also have more electronics and long range radio- HF or Iridium because they sail so far across the ocean. What do you think?
That is the whole point of class, no communication except vhf, and sbb radio, it started as cheap offshore racing in 70... And it is not sailed by amateurs, the qualifications are quite rigorous, racing + 1000 miles solo trip that needs to be approved to be able enter main A course. Basically the point of no modern communication you have no idea where your main competition is you receve distance to finish over sbb radio + whether forecast, and in main race minitransat they have companion ships( class 40 50) for every 6 small they need to have one big that is checking on them + they have beecons which have like 3 position + tracker. 1 position is on second is on I'm fine but have dificultys but want no assistance and last one is come save me. And off all competitors are wearing personal location become, but to be frank most of them know if you fell of from ship it is most likely an end, so they form small packs and radio one another to keep an eye, some share racing stuff to, some no, but most of them are like family and know they need to keep eye on another and support... There was even pettition to stop government wanting to put sat phones in minis, if they are to be made mandatory it will be race over if use since it goes against spirit of race, small boat as fast as possible across the pond without outside assistance and vhf only :) even gps werent allowed, but most of participants had them so they sad ehh well then... as of enclosed cockpits it would be unnecessary weight since all boats must right them self and they perform the test before race, so by ading enclosed cocpit it would be to cramped since in cabin you are on knees or siting down laying, or to tall and if water gets in boat more space would be required for flotationd foam again mandatory in zones to keep boat afloat(sometimes when they abandon the ship in race by bad decision or medical reasons, demage to rudders keel problem, they keep on floating and get to Caribbean and get recovered pogo 2 was this year found or atlast video of was put on) but to be fair it is nice that they are seaworthy if damaged and abandon they are hazardous for other ships, but point was to make them as safe as possible for skipper to survive in worst conditions... The history of mini class or open 6.5 if rich an quiet fascinating, tbh, 1998 was taught year for them and they made qualifications real difficulty for a reason, in recent years 2013 was heavy weather and hard allso... Sry for typos not native language, will stope here can type to tommorow 😁
@@mkapo8509 Sure, but I think the boats should be equipped to sail alone, not as a shepherded fleet- with more protection for the crew from waves
@@hwntwww They would , but government dosent allowed them to leave French waters, so they would shoot on minis instead of air for start :) to be fair most of time minis are flying on autopilots, you trim sail stac everything if you are racing and off to sleep, helm during the battery charging period, in general the point of race is to find the limit of boat and your self and ride there without braking either boat or your self... And even in worst case scenario boat are safe unless they hit ufo to demage keel boreken ruder you have 2 so if lucky you will be good, and if unlucky and you didn't reinforced transom (weight saving) might be in trouble, but you have life raft and survival course + tps suite... Point is as I said they are not boats for casual sailors, or at least in main race adventures chilling are in back and sailing in comfort zone cliped in by sling(lunatics for weekend sailors) while the top guys are pushing it to the limit, last edition top series boat first non French winer was keeping it up with top prototype while the others in series boat division were few days behind but then again maybe that is why he won... If crossing Atlantic I would rather be in mini than bigger normal boat if the things are about to go bad and that says enough for boat and class... Bigger boat would be more comfy in ideal situations tho :)
@@mkapo8509 and because of the wide round bow, they don't dig in and plow through waves, making for much dryer deck and cockpit than on normal boats.
Hello, mais tu n'as pas d'appendice pour le speedo? 😮
Hé non, seulement la vitesse GPS. Ca fonctionne très bien comme ça et ça fait moins de trainée de ne pas avoir de trucs qui dépassent ;)
Merci pour le tip 😊
How can you call this ulgy when the hanstaiger X1 existe...
I was thinking pogo 3 myself
dude.. you should put a funny face on the bow ... maybe a simplistic smiley face
Haha, yes, this or a massive moustache :)
@@TheSailingFrenchman lol thats a great idea
It would be great if you could contact the owner and take her out for a sail! Most likely, the owner wants to promote racing.
Wanna see the boat sailing? > czcams.com/video/IpK7y1O5Jb0/video.html
It's "different" but I don't think it's ugly. Did you buy it? Do you own it?
Did you watch his previous videos on this boat?
It's rented
Beam 1/2 LOA, the Cape Cod Catboat formula.
Rha le vertor 650, j'en rève depuis sa sortie, mais j'ai jamais pu mettre le pied à son bord
Maxi 650, le vector est un concurrent a bout rond :)
Gorgeous boat, looks built for speed, #captainObvious. The scow bow, do you see it becoming popular outside of racing? I’m assuming the ride upwind could be harsh, but I know for the transit you don’t do much upwind anyway. Thanks for the vid, but seriously video of you sailing that beast will qualify as #sailporn #NSFW
Between West cost of France and where they catch trade winds there is more upwind sailing than you would think.
Fesh Fesh Sailing agreed, like I said, they’re racing, so comfort is not the first box they try to check, trade off between pounding upwind and surfing down,you figure?
@@mhensen1 you need to visualize the underwater profile of the hull as it heels past 15 deg when beating upwind.
At that heel angle the entrance angle of the bow section is no longer as widely rounded as when the boat sits upright.
These scows actually pound more when broad reaching than when beating to windward.
Fesh Fesh Sailing wow, that’s cool, never thought of that, I envisioned them pounding straight, but you’re right when heeled, much narrower profile, so are you saying this type of hull could work for other types of sailboats rather than out and out racers? I figured it was like a formula one, not good for stop and go...
Fesh Fesh Sailing I saw your channel, gorgeous boat, and fast, thanks for sharing
Como Ca-va Bruno !!
I think it's beautiful.
It is not a proto class boat?
David Raison designed these series boats to be built by IDBmarine as the Maxi. Previously this design was in the proto class (winning quite a bit).
En anglais le "planning" don't tu parle se dit et se prononce "playning". Si tu dis "planning" les gens qui parlent anglais vont se demander ce que cela avoir avec la planification d'un projet et pourquoi ton bateau fait "des plans".
Donc dis "planing" qui se prononce "playing" come dans "aeroplane" (avion). Merci pour tes vidéos géniales.
Hugo : bonjour les filles vous faites quoi ?
Les filles : on démâte en se servant des bateaux à côté..😂😂😂
C’est pas gagné mec !!
Les ministes c'est des vraies ;)
C'est pas possible cette étrave !!! J'peux pas .
good luck trying to make way upwind in this boat ...
You know nothing John ;)
(This is a race boat, it will go upwind at 6kts better than any boats even 3 to 6 ft longer)
Fuck it how it looks. It’s fast as fuck that’s all that matters.
ha les plans raisons
For you the Corona times are easy. Just go out to the sea for 365 days and come back not needing to use a mask ;)
Some countries are impossible to get into to restock or to anchor to wait out weather
It looks like an ugly duck-lining but if she sails like a swan you forgiven :)
I go for a boat that is highly capable of floating
I hope so :)
And what about your financing the trip ? We can help you !
Thanks a lot for considering in giving a hand on the Mini Transat project, have a look in the video description of the last episodes, link to paypal is there. THanks a lot for the support
Bonjour
It's a scow bow! Yeah.. think surf board in performance.
It's going to be really ugly when you start slamming into waves going up wind !
Not worse than a similar size boat with pointy end >> czcams.com/video/Ebv7NcRhY6g/video.html
ugly no, unusual yes. for me its pretty
It seems like it would also be a good design for a cruising boat, as you would have a lot more volume inside especially in the front berths.
Cruisers need headroom as well and this is way too shallow-draught to give much of that. Also, with such a shallow and flat forefoot, it must slam a lot going to windward, which would be very uncomfortable - and, therefore, tiring - for cruising. None of which matters in a racer!
Have a look at what IDM marine are doing with fast cruisers, interesting designs
Super lightweight hull this is a pure racer. Adding cruising fittings and accessories would make it too heavy.
Shit weather, shit boat, poor man, подобное к подобному!
Nothing new in the bow shape,it’s been around for centuries.
True, but only recently came back into offshore racing
Will also make a wonderful conversion to a cruiser once its racing career is over, I had an old 1/4 tonner that was similarly distorted by rules making it short beamy and high aspect ratio rig put an outboard on the back and 5 bunks raised cabin and viola a family holiday boat.
The camera was being held on the persons face which was entirely irrelevant while scanning past the boat’s underwater lines so fast that we couldn’t see the important part of the video which was the hull shape.
I dont think its ugly at all.
Me neither ;) but some do