DIY Carbon Fiber Doors: Details...Unhinged! (Episode 68)
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- čas přidán 8. 07. 2020
- In this episode I show what it's like to get a carbon fiber part like a door finished as a component ready to be installed on your project car. No magic videos where parts suddenly appear - this one has all the gory details of what it takes to make a first quality part.
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I love this level of commitment. So many car channel builders put dirty worn parts over half worked repairs or modifications and its painful to watch. This is my kind of attention to detail and hardcore determination to have it your way exactly. Thanks for sharing and stay safe.
Thanks - doing it once the first time is the only way to save time. I am frequently horrified by videos of nasty, crusty parts being bolted on cars...then they fail...or drilling holes in fresh paint work - the humanity.
I thought I'm a bit of perfectionist, but I just changed my mind 😂
I'm currently making fiberglass parts for my car. Thank God I'm happy for half of the quality that you make!
Awesome work!
Thanks!
I'm glad that I'm not the only nutcase out there when it comes to working on cars. You gotta love the little sinking feeling when you realize you can't restrain yourself from spending your next week of free time on some asinine thing that only you could possibly care about.
It's good to know we're not alone!
Doors done. Great work and thanks for the Vids. Please keep it coming. With that much attention to detail this car will look like a Rolls Royce when you have finished.
More to come! Should be back on a more regular update schedule with the next project on the car.
I wouldn't worry too much about the difference between your content and MCM, your attention to detail is fantastic and I doubt we'll ever see content from Marty and Moog that could compete in terms of detail, I appreciate both of your channels equally for different reasons. I can't wait to see this completed 👌🏻
Thanks for that! I can't wait for the finish of this project. Still such a long way to go.
What a nice look into a true craftsman at work
Thanks for the kind words. I've always said that craftsmanship is the gift the craftsman gives himself. Knowing it was done correctly is its own reward.
As someone who is used to jb welding cracks and duct taping on parts it's very refreshing to see someone go through the steps and actually do things the right way and be rewarded with beautiful looking parts and finishes
Best comment of the video! Thanks.
Quality work Craig. Such a pleasure to see a true craftsman at work. Ian in GB
Glad you enjoyed it
I got to love the way this guy chuckles in the face of adversity. No job too big.. Keep it up!
Much appreciated!
Great work and attention to detail. Bravo 👏
Thanks 😊
Absolutely incredible work and attention to details. My hat is off to you sir
Thanks
I don't think there is one video I didn't like. You are doing a great job, thanks for the content
Thanks - that's being kind. Don't watch Ep. 49 - I fixed the sound in a replacement video but CZcams insists on promoting the one that is a mess!
You just validated my prejudice against fingerprint recognition on devices! And I appreciate your comment about the extra stuff being an opportunity to learn. I've recognized that on some of my own projects, doing a little extra work when it doesn't matter, so I am better prepared when I get to the parts that really do matter.
It's hard to keep skills up when we do these things so infrequently.
As I'm far too many hours into a "simple" project It's great to see how much work is actually involved in building something amazing like this.
I'm happy to spend the time to get every part to where I want it - it does mean walking away, and taking a break when I get a little frustrated or start to rush.
Wow. Details are great..thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Very nice door work! Nothing ever came out of Sweden that nice.
Thank you very much!
Very nice work my friend! Cheers, Doug
Thank you! Cheers!
Corvette panel adhesive is water proof. Long strand fiberglass will bubble the paint when water soaks into the filler. Been there done that. Great project all together . I should make a buck from my Avro Speedster and build a carbon fiber job.I like it !!
Ive been trying to catch all of your videos. Im over in Alpena Mi.Right now am preparing the plugs of two 34 ford truck doors.Fingers crossed and saying prayers. Love your channel,will let you know how it goes.Also thanks for introducing envision composites to me.They are so much closer than my previous supplier. Take care
Good luck!
Always look forward to your videos as you out so much detail in your work, and that is what takes time. Of course the jobs can be done a lot quicker but then they wouldn't have such the flawless finish 👍🏻
Note about MCM, the 4-6 hr time fitment for the exhaust was what the internet was saying, their time was under 90 minutes all fitted 😉 which is accurate when you don't have to deal with seized/corroded bolts 😏
I'd just watched their video - I'm sure there was more time in video production than doing the job. I hope to be on a more balanced video schedule for the next little bit.
Wow, amazing work.
Thanks
Your madness is noted and fully appreciated!!! Way to go looking sweet!
Thanks.
Nice work
If you want to see a realistic project timeline for an over-engineered car build, Project Binky by Bad Obsession Motorsports is the one to go to. It's been ongoing for nearly 8 years now and it can take 15 hours or more just to fabricate a single component. I think they were well into the 80 hour territory to fabricate their custom ultra-compact HVAC unit. Some things are easier than others to finish in a reasonable timeframe, and the exhaust back from the headers on a car with minimal tucking requirements can be one of them.
I've followed them from the start of their channel...it's a great look at a project with a similar philosophy.
@@ThrottleStopGarage It's always nice to see projects like these, yours included, obviously, because it shows that even with a fairly small shop and a lot of effort, anyone can eventually build some crazy projects, so it's hugely inspirational. I especially enjoyed watching you hand-form with hammer and forming tools the reworked transmission tunnel, because too often people forget the old ways of panel beating and rely solely on cutting and welding to get the shapes they want. It was also fascinating to see you dimple the shifter flange by hand. I've seen people make dimple dies out of wood, but I've never seen anyone manually draw down the dimple with a conical hammer like that. It really goes to show that sometimes, persistence and clever tricks can make up for a lack of specialized tooling.
You’re insane - I love it!
I do what I can.
packing all fasteners in bags, cardboards, etc... it's so prot tip! Thank you.
You bet!
happy to see the new video. thanks
Glad to have the support! Thanks Lanny.
@@ThrottleStopGarage my man, you run into snags the same way i do when trying to complete something. you keep a much better attitude about it than i do.
I love the intense details
Thanks!
Awesome detail 👌🏾
Thank you! Cheers!
I either forgot or I never did know what kind of car this was, until you talked about the door hinges; I came here for the CF, but I'm sticking around. So I'm sitting here scratching my head and talking to my computer, saying "All this for a Volvo?" To each his own I guess, but really a Volvo?
Why not? I guess you'd have to drive one. I race them, drive them and really - name a better sleeper. LOL.
@@ThrottleStopGarage Yeah, I get it, I was just surprised, and you're right; it'll be a great sleeper.
@@jimsiggy I also think I'd look and feel particularly stupid trying to roll out of a Miata or whatever the cool kids are driving. LOL.
@@ThrottleStopGarage Yeah, I agree. I guess I was just assuming this was some vintage American car. I still think it's cool and will be a nice sleeper, it just surprised me, that all. Keep up the good work!
Nice job
Thanks!
Love your work mate. Question about painting - How are you dealing with overspray?
I can see the usual haze in the air during priming, your garage doesn't look like Dexter's kill room, yet in the reverse shot of the hinge, there's a pristine whiteboard! How do you stop every object and surface being covered in whatever you're spraying?
Honestly, having a coat of dust on everything does prevent the shop from being covered in primer. The Iwata guns I use are pretty efficient at material transfer. I do leave my SataJet in the cabinet unless I've got the drapes up. I do have drapes. When I prime the entire car, I'll get the big fans out and then the entrance door becomes the filter bank and I exhaust through the garage doors.
I assume that if someone puts his project on CZcams it’s going to look good. It’s the detail that goes in before the paint goes on that interests me. I like to see how it’s done. I started watching because I was interested in carbon fibre. I liked the detail so I went back to the beginning and watched them all. Thanks.
Ps I could use a hand with my Seabring lol. kidding.
I also watched "Home Built by Jeff" take a grinder and cut off wheel to a rear fender lip on his freshly painted 911 build while it was on the dyno because the tire rubbed...and he hacked the back off his rear bumper when it was painted. So sometimes the things I see on CZcams are crazy.
Haha this was a hard watch! You are a madman! Wished you spent the time making full doors and new hinges from carbon and aluminium perhaps! Great work though regardless, well done as always
I'm not that nuts. Full doors would be at least three more molds per door and it just didn't make any sense. You'd have to see them to believe the complexity of the original part.
@@ThrottleStopGarage I was really hoping to see you do it actually. I had assumed that you would do the whole doors as a matter of course and I'm sure you would have a perfect job done too! For me it's a shame that it's not a more popular car, I think you would have quite a bit of interest in parts if it was an old mustang!
Incredible work. One question if I may? Why didn't you make the inner doors carbon fibre or carbon kevlar?
It would have taken 4 more molds, brackets, something to hold the door gasket...and also isn't as safe.
I have a question, how will door hande fit into fiberglass? Would it be better if there was metal plate set in plastic for fitting door handle?
They're carbon fiber Alex - these panels are stiffer than the steel they replace. I added extra fabric to the area just to be safe, but it's not needed. With the stock flat washers - they're going to be fine.
Would that RDR repair paste be a better choice to use when bonding a large CF panel to a sheet metal body? I'm trying to figure out what I would need to use when I go to install/blend the custom fastback hard top onto my Spitfire
The material I used was what was recommended and they sell the RDR paste. If I was doing it again, I'd use the aerospace epoxy that I used for the intake plenum. Loctite 9460 or equivalent is great stuff.
@@ThrottleStopGarage great to know, thanks!
So at which point will you make the insides of the doors carbon fiber as well? ;p
I love watching the crazy work though, as it's the best kind of crazy :)
At no point...they're very complex and can't be made without at least three more molds per door and the added complication of the seal channel. I also like the extra safety factor that I left in these doors.
What was the actual mechanical connection between the inner door with the skin?
Just adhesive.
This volvo is my spirit animal.
That makes me smile.
Is there a site that ships carbon fiber sheets and materials outside of the usa? The site that you have in the desc doesnt send outside of us, and how much would something like a hood cost if i made it myself with all materials? Thank you if you answer btw
Composite Envisions ships out of the USA. I don't know where you are - so it's hard to suggest anyone. The cost of the panel depends on the size. This hood is quite large and materials were not cheap. I'm making a video in the future that covers the cost.
Throttle Stop Garage im from finland and had something in mind with carbon fiber, cant wait to see your video on cost👌
As a machinst I'm surprised you didn't recon your old hinges with bronze bushes and new pins
The pin is still stuck in the one hinge. I could drill it out, but it wasn't worth it.
im super curious to see what this car weighs in the end what engine are you going with?
I don't expect it to be a lot lighter than it was stock...turbo's will add weight. The engine is a 5 cylinder Volvo.
not a bad engine choice but i think personally id stick with 4 cylinders
but watcing your videos seriously have given me motivation to makin molds for my fiberglass panel plans
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Blown away by the detail...
Thanks.
When challenged, a wise old motorhead I knew told me; "It's your car! It and the skill to modify it only have to make you happy! Wise words.
Well said!
@@ThrottleStopGarage Somedays I wish I were that smart- Mike Quigly, one of my very first bosses in the world, passed, sitting under a tree fishing some years ago- he was 95.
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Also how is there not overspray on everything? And nibs in the primer? Or is there? Lol
There's a thick layer of dust on everything...so that keeps the overspray down. Only a few very small nibs in the primer. I won't be spraying colour in my garage anymore - but I used to all the time. Most dust problems come from the painter.
I noticed that sometimes you have voids in the corners of your molds. Here is a technique to ease the transition so the fabric won't bridge in those inside corners. It's just resin mixed with micro-baloons into a paste. See czcams.com/video/Nha7qT_ZlZA/video.html
Hi Bob, I've used that technique. Thanks.
If you're looking to make yourself feel a little better about how much time you put into something, don't compare yourself to MCM. Set your sights on Bad Obsession Motorsports. You'll sleep better at night, and you'll feel like you've accomplished a months worth of work in a single weekend.
I don't tend to dwell on these things for long...we each have our own canvas to paint.
good
Thanks
It's 2:32 AM. Do I really have to get that coffee?
Well, if you're already up! Get some sleep!
I'm nine months late to the party, but I'm wondering is there any sign of galvanic corrosion where the CF meets steel? Although the glue between skin and frame might be enough of an insulator, the base of the window frame is intimately bonded to carbon. On other channels, I've seen lots of comments worrying about galvanic corrosion. The Dark Aero channel describe making their own CF/aluminium honeycomb boards, and using a thin glass fibre layer between the CF and aluminium.
I know it's theoretically a big problem, but I've never seen evidence of it happening in practice, or how quickly it occurs.
Interesting comment - my research on the subject indicates that, while problematic, it's not really that big of a problem in my application. In the parts I have produced, the epoxy adhesive has been sufficient to isolate the materials. Using fibreglass veil is a good practice - no argument - but I don't think that it will be a big problem. While I did join the window frame to the skin, it shouldn't be a problem in my environment. The lack of an electrolyte is a significant factor. This car will not see salt air frequently or salt on roads. It will barely see rain water given where I live. People on CZcams latch onto ideas and go a bit nuts - if I was building an airplane - different story. So I'm willing to try it and I'm pretty sure it's not going to be a problem. If I'm wrong - then we're doing it again. No big deal.
You can't do what Mighty Car Mods do because you're a legend (mr. connors) and they're just a couple of punks ;)
That's very kind. It was only a joke.
@@ThrottleStopGarage I know it was a joke. I like Might Car Mods. I guess you need to be a tennis fan to identify the "he's a punk, you're a legend." joke that originated from a fan when Agassi crushed Connors at the US Open 30 years ago.
czcams.com/video/35PA3GTll14/video.html
It seems you suffer a more advanced form of the same disease as myself, you know no one is going to notice that little fault but you'll know it's there. So you just have to fix it.
The only thing I see on some of my past builds are the flaws. I recall the exact moments when I chose the wrong path. It's a weird torture.
"Unfortunately this isn't that kind of video"... Guess I better settle in and open up my snacks.
LOL - I just get annoyed when parts appear on cars by magic! Enjoy!
Next year!😱🤦We may not have another year! Don't cha just hate a great show when it ends with a "to be continued?"
2021 is only a few months away! I've got a few things to tidy up before bodywork.
Stop watching mighty car mods and use the time to watch "bad obsession motorsport". I think this is more your thing ;-P
I watch both...there is time.
Nice hair...
COVID cut...did it myself.
@@ThrottleStopGarage It looks better than mine
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