BMW E46 E39 E60 E85 Open diff to LSD | 188k Limited slip differential install
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- Official tutorial (Installation video) - How to install RacingDiffs Progressive Limited slip differential conversion set in BMW E46, E39, E60... Medium case differential (188K).
Important Note: Please make sure to lubricate all parts during assembly. Use oil for Limited slip differentials only! Otherwise premature wear of components may occur.
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Who knew replacing an LSD could sound so romantic! 🤣🤣🤣 love the music
this video made me spiritually a better person after watching
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Hi everyone, after installing the lsd into the car i have two things to say! It is not suited for drifting at all however it transfers power to the other wheel where u need it most! Plus Since you are gonna break axles if you dump the clutch at 6000 rpm the lsd will somehow get you home low speed and in flat grounds! Trying to do a burnout is a struggle because it acts very weird!
Which LSD did you install? Sounds like a helical type lsd (torsen).
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2002 530i manual what do i need, and how much it costs shipped to Lithuania? Very tempting.. obviuosly i know i guy, that knows a lot about diffs, so he would hook me up with install.
whats the best oil
@racingdiffs i bought the 188L kit from you almost a year ago and im finally going to install it.
But I lack instructions and would like a more detailed information.
My biggest question is if i have to grind the small gears like in the DIY video of VehicularDYI or only the shafts as in this video.
Thank you in advise!
If you have central pin in the conversion set, than you follow this video. If you don't have it, please send email to suport@racingdiffs.com and we will send you installation manual in pdf. Just write you have previous model of conversion set without central pin.
When I try hammering the pin in, the internal retaining clip keeps getting sheared off, with the shards going inside of the spider gears. I wrecked the stock one and my only replacement from my old diff. Seems the pin has a chamfer to expand the ring as you hammer it in, but mine has a small hard edge that keeps snagging on the ring. I think my pin must have been machined incorrectly, since the chamfer doesn't go all the way down to the shaft. Anyone else who is doing this, pay attention to make sure the same thing doesn't happen to you.
welp, the same thing happened to me, let's see how long my diff lasts
Hey Racing Diffs, I have a e39 2002 with type 188K. My question is would I also need to shorten my flanges?
Not sure if this is too late, but I also have a 2002 e39 (525i specifically), and it looks like it sticks out too much from the gear and would get in the way of the kit, so yes
For replacing the outer bearings? How do you remove those? Any special tool needed?
You can cut them by hand grinder 👍🏻
Does this chatter the tires like a welded diff when making sharp low speed turns
Not at all. That is the point of the product. In normal driving it feels like an open diff but with possibility of strong lock under load. That is why we call it progressive.
@RacingDiffs which oil do you fill the diff with when your done?, going to installing this kit on my 325ci soon
We recommend Motul 75w140 Gear Competition.
I need to fit kit like this to Z4 e85 2.5i but i dont know how to install this(even after watching this videos lol) i need someone who will do it for me.
Little suggestion, when customer receive a LSD conversion kit why not compressed, if I understand correctly it's not possible to install without compressing? :) Good job guys, congrats
When you have to pack 400-500 sets every month, that can be a problem🙂
@@RacingDiffs you know 😀 but that will be very nice from customer side
@@stefanrakic5991 why don't you ask them to wrap them in a pretty bow as well. maybe throw in some confetti and glitter
👌
Hi there, i got a stupid question, is this 188k equal to 2 Ways LSD? Well, we are consider expert drifter for now, so which type suit the best, in your opinion? Thx, and Greeting from Malaysia.
This system can be categorised as 2-way LSD. But it is designed to be used on the street, not pro drifting. For that we have another solution.
czcams.com/video/069lcT-MF7U/video.html
what diff would i need for my 2003 e46 325ci? really tired of the open diff!
This model would do. 188k. Link is in description. 👍🏻
Do you have to shorter flanges?
How do you do without machine??
They need to be shortened for 4mm. You can do it with hand grinder as well.
@RacingDiffs I'm trying to gather all the needed bits and pieces of knowledge to rebuild my 188k diff and I find your videos highly valuable, but there is one thing that's worrying me. Isn't the preload on carrier bearings long gone if the second c-clip can be inserted so easily? I would expect that to have around 0,5 - 1Nm of preload on tapered roller bearings, the axial force to be applied is in 10 kN(1000kg) ballpark, requiring hydraulic press to preload outer bearing races to make c-clip installation possible. Am I missing something?
Thanks in advance.
Not necessarily. We rebuilt many, many diffs with C clip type of preload adjustment and you always sort it with a hammer. You're right about the carrier preload though, 0.5-1 Nm. But if you are rebuilding diff, not swapping anything new, you shouldn't worry about that at all. Just return C clips in original positions and that's it. Bearings are made in 0.001 mm tolerance so when you change them, preload and backlash adjustment is not necessary.
@@RacingDiffs Thanks for the answer, I'm concerned about the preload since I'm rebuilding the diff with new carrier bearings and brand new torsen type lsd.
@@RacingDiffs If it work for donuts &drift 220hp bmw e36 3.45
Yes it does👍🏻
@@RacingDiffs How much does it cost and do you send it by post to Kosovo and how many days does it take?
What's the lock up %, would this be good for daily driving, with some spirited fast road/track use every now and again?
That's exactly what it is created for 👍🏻 Very smooth for daily driving.
Hello. I saw in another video that both spider gears need to be grinded.. Did you do that prior to installation?
Newer kits supposedly don't need the spider gears machined, however the axles still need to be shortened by 4mm. You can apparently do this with a grinder.
@racingdiffs which diffferential oil did you use? Need to know for a 325 ti/192 ps.
We use Motul Gear Competition 75w140
do i use old side axle seals or do i have to buy new ones or are new ones included in the kit?
New ones are included in the kit. 👍🏻
I want to buy a set for my 2003 z4 2.5i but I need to know if I need to do any modifications to the existing differential. It is an automatic transmission.
Please send your VIN to office@racingdiffs.com. we will check your model and provide all info👍🏼 there is 20% discount on conversion sets at the moment, so it is excellent timing to get one.
@@RacingDiffs okay I sent the information.
And what type of adhesive do you recommend for the crown gear bolts ??
Loctite 243
how much will the locker cost for 3.15 large case differential to build it like m5 39 has 3.15 but locked
Will be available early next year.👍🏻 price will go around 1300€
Is this Tutorial for the „old“ Version or for the „new“ Easy Mount Version?
This is for the current version.👍🏻
So do you shorten each side 4mm or each side 2mm for a total of 4?
Each side for 4 mm.
Alright thanks I’ll be looking forward to getting one of these kits once I can source a 3.46 ratio diff to go in my e39 530i. Manuals come with a 2.93...
@@raomar0 we can offer complete diff with 3.45 ratio. Also we can install LSD from e36 with all new parts. If you are interested drop us an email to office@racingdiffs.com
I have a 2004 manual bmw z4 3.0i What set do i need? And do i also need to shorten the flanges?
You need 188L set. You need to shorten flanges. If you don't have access to lathe, you can do it with a hand grinder as well.
What has been the service life of the clutch packs and friction surfaces??
+1
Where do you see clutch packs here lol? there's like 1 ring on each side and that's all...
6 months.
One burnout
For the price is better to buy a 188 lsd bmw e36. I dont think this will work as a LSD Diff.
Could you explain how it works?
But how would you fitt e36 LSD into E46? You have animation video on our channel.👍🏼
The way it works is when 1 tyre tries to spin faster than the other tyre the black block in the centre tries to turn. Because the pin goes through the block it causes the clutch faces to be pushed hard into the spider gears thus having a locking force that increases with tyre slip. That is how the ramp action works. I think these would work very well on track but I would be worried about the life of the clutch packs just like other friction/clutch pack LSD's. Considering it is a fairly easy job (I have heard that the ring gears for diffs in manual cars need to be cut off the centre though) to disassemble the diff it would just be another maintenance job.
I know this video is 3 years old and there have been some improvements. But do you still have to machine any parts on your factory diff now? 🤔
Only output flanges on certain models.
@RacingDiffs do they need shortening on an E39 with a 188k 3.15 diff from a 525i manual?
@@RacingDiffs how do i know if in my e 46 188k need to be shortened?
Yes, you jeed to shorten them for 188k model. If you don't have access to the lathe machine, you can simply cut them with a hand grinder
@@RacingDiffs what about for the 188L ?
So I have e60 550i and wanting to this kit setup. What will I need and why do we must cut down the flange to 4mm each side? Thanks.
You will need 215k LSD set. 👍🏻
@@RacingDiffs will I still need to cut down 4mm on the flange?
@@nokingkong1 yes, all kits require that.
@@nokingkong1 here is the video for your car.
czcams.com/video/k-gLEYL8t-U/video.html
How can i tell the type of my diff so i can order the right product
What model do you have?
Dose it not affect the gears ratio .? Or anything like that is there any side effects from this.?
Gear ratio stays the same, you just add 25% lock. No side effects at all. You can drive your car normally every day.
@@RacingDiffs does the transmission need a tune or it runs the same ? Also I’m looking to order the kit because I want to be able to do burnouts and donuts would this kit work for that ?
@@alexskates4461 the gear ratio stays the same. The set will give you ability to do burnouts and donuts 👍🏻
There is a fella on here with 335i that fit this and the pin you supply snapped and ruin the diff have you since upgrade this pin for stronger cause seams a good job other then this cause I thinking of getting one thanks
Problem with the pin was identified. We upgraded the version so even the poor installation can't cause the problem now.
@@RacingDiffs ok thanks I will be looking at getting your products in future with few projects I have keep up the good work
@@RacingDiffsit’s not fixed. I just bought your kit and the pin snapped and broke my diff.
@@TopGoose-bf1mxdid you make sure you didn't break the C-clips while inserting the central pin?
@@giulioex125e7 positive. I read about that happening and made sure it was all good. After reaching out to them on eBay they refuse to send my money back claiming it was an install error when the pin sheared.
Would this provide enough lock for drifting?
bmw e60 n52 530i 2007 pre lci automatic transmission what diff should i use
That would be 188L.
Would an LSD from a 188mm fit a 188L or are they not interchangeable?
Not interchangeable.
If I bought an used kit, how can I know if it’s for 188mm or 188L? In the box there’s nothing :(. I’m worried that I bought a not compatible kit
Write email to our support team to office@racingdiffs.com. they will help you understand which kit you have.
Hello du you have for bmw e39 535i 1999 manual something good for drifting with 50% look ?
Not at the moment. Sorry.
What tip is use on the lathe to shorten the shafts???
Any tip for steel. They aren't so hard actually.
@racingdiffs is this same kind of diff that is in my 525d e6x?
Yeap👍🏻
What’s size circlip pliers did you use snapped 2 sets now
You need them to be for c clip 80-100mm.
What size snap ring pliers are those ?
I want to know that too, I broke 2 pairs so far
Do you fill the diff with limited slip diff oil aswell?
We use Motul gear competition 75w140
@@RacingDiffs and one more question this process for the 188k type diff is the same as doing it on the 168k diff you still need to shave off 4mm on the output flang
Did you have to grind down rhe spider gear and output flanges for the axles ? I know that's in the instructions but you didn't show that on this video. Is it necessary after all?
New version doesn’t need spider gears grinded just the output flange on each side
hello , will fit this on bmw 320ci 2001 2.2 170hp thanks
Hi, yes it will. 188k diff type 👍🏻
Don't the spider gears need to be ground?
Not anymore.
hello for a 168k differential must it be machined?
No, plug and play👍🏻
Can smbdy tell me which Modells has the 188k diff? What does the number tell me and how can I find out which kind diff I have (E60 523i// N52 Manuell)
You have 188L diff. Check out this video on how to determine which diff your car has.
czcams.com/video/Tedvr4gLYeM/video.htmlsi=EssGVqWaYx64DPBH
I will! But maybe you can tell me the difference between an 188L and K, and if the an 188K diff would fit for an 188L diff. Because I can only find 188K LSD‘s
Hi, is it version 188k that i need for BMW 520ia e60 from 2003 ?
Yes, it is👍🏻
Which Kit you can use for E39 523i?
That would be 188K.
Does anybody know which C-clip is right/left ? I made this conversion before this video and my mechanic mix them without any letter like R/L :(
Which one is thicker please.. ?
If everything works fine, than don't worry about it. when you switch sides, most likely you would have a problem ;)
@@RacingDiffs I dont know if it works because I was waiting for some part from machine shop. Next step is put it back but together.. I check the c-clips, and difference between them is 0.1mm so I hope it could be ok if I mix them wrong 😂
@@MajroE36 if you switched sides you probably won't be able to spin the diff at all. Or backlash would be too large.
@@RacingDiffs ok I try to solved it out :) thank you for your advice
Bmw e39 540i 1999 6 manuel gearbox. what size kit do I need..?
That would be 215k.
Can this be used for drifting or will it not lock up strong enough
It is not strong enough for serious drifting. It is for street usage mainly.
@@RacingDiffs so for fun drifting in street use it will work ,is it reliable in the time ?
@@z4funkdreamer986 yes, that's what it's for👍🏻
@@RacingDiffs what do you call hard drifting ? Donuts are hard drifting ? Or are you talking about drifting competition with raced car specially made for that ?
You said in an other comments for hard drifting you have also solutions what is that ?
Thks
Do you need to add LSD oil for this ?
Yes you do👍🏻
Can i ask 330ci its The same or not?
It's the same👍🏻
It is valid for 550i e60?
We have another model for 550i. Please check this link.
www.racingdiffs.com/collections/lsd-conversion-sets
can I use this conversion kit on my E60 520d for drifting ???
Yeap, that's the point of it.🙂
@@RacingDiffs is the only other option then a full on LSD or is there better option for more durability link in your other videos ??
Any review on the product?
I made one on the e46 fanatics forum
@@simonbarbarasch7169 do you have any videos how did the kit preform in the car did you have any problems
Check out this playlist. This is where we upload content from our customers.
czcams.com/play/PLmw-XXlNglieJca2gmPHNIjTIlgZFSRWy.html
What engine would this diff suit please? E46 range? I have a 320td compact
That's it👍🏻
@@RacingDiffs brilliant thank you, so my 2.35 diff is good for this
@@jaredkirby1237 it first regardless the ratio👍🏻🙂
@@jaredkirby1237Hello! I have a 20td compact too. Did you ordered the kit? If yes, how it works?
Will this react like a welded diff when needed when I upgrade to 3.38 diff? (Or are 3.38 already lsd?) I have a 03 BMW ZHP 6 speed with a stock 3.07 that is welded
No
This is more like a slight LSD is not a full LSD but a nice upgrade considering all non m diffs are open for e46.
2.93, 3.07, 3.15, 3.23, 3.38, and 3.46 are all open diffs I have the open 3.38 in my ZHP and one day be putting this kit in mine as I live in wet climate the tires always spin easily. This should help a lot in wet weather for better traction. If you need it for track purposes get a full LSD but those can cost a good chunk of money.
@@VCR1117 would this still help for track though as an alternative for a full lsd?
@@jaredkirby1237 for track definitely. There are videos of people launching e46s with this conversion kit and both wheels grip. Should have no issues in a track session.
would this work for a 2001 320ci ?
We have another kit for that model. You can send us VIN to purchase@racingdiffs.com so we can check.
Where you guys located.?
Serbia.
Now 3 years later..... is it still neccesary to machine the axles for a 328i e46 type 188k diff ?. Manual 😳
Yes, it still is.
@@RacingDiffs ooh 🙄 thatll hold me back from putting it in 🫣😅
If the access to the lathe is the pro lem for you, you can cut them easily with the hand grinder too.
@@RacingDiffs ooh of course ! , thanks for the advice 😉 makes me re consider it hihi
you have something that fits to BMW e38 740iA ?
Sure we do. That would be 215k diff type. Check the link below.
racingdiffs.com/collections/lsd-conversion-sets/products/bmw-e46-e90-e92-e39-e60-lsd-conversion-set
This LSD fits inside without having to cut from sprockets to make place for it, i have e39 big case 210?
Yes, this is new line of Easy mount conversion kits.👍🏼
is it needed to short the flanges?
Yes.
@@RacingDiffs both of them?
Both, yes. For 4mm each.
@@RacingDiffs okay thanks for the fast answer
My pleasure!
It's reliable?
We are using it in our daily transportation e39 touring for 240k km for now. Preparing the reveal video soon.
How hard is this to do
Watch video 3 times and it will become easy.
I have an e46 318ci what size kit do I need..what does the lsd look up like
You need 168k kit. Check our other videos to see how it works.
Would this fit my bmw z4 2.5 2005 5 speed
You need 188L model.
www.racingdiffs.com/collections/lsd-conversion-sets/products/bmw-progressive-lsd-conversion-set
Would it handle good for drifting
Y'all do delivery to the USA
@@dkshop3348 we have other solutions for drifting, please send us email.
@@dkshop3348 of course 👍🏻 Via DHL Express
Why do you have to shorten the flanshes 4mm?
To avoid them rubbing against friction discs.
@@RacingDiffs So why not just make the product a little thinner? 2mm each?
That would make it very prone to breaking.
@@RacingDiffs And why not just make hole in the the blocks like some other conversion kits have?
Fir the same reason, as walls of the bridges would be too thin.
"align", not "aline" :D
How much for me to ship my diff to you and you do it? I'll pay shipping handling, parts and labor.
We are based in Serbia, so I'm afraid it would be too expensive. That is why we are doing these instructions videos.
Bruh
Will it work with 850Nm?
For drag racing, yes. For drift, no.
@@RacingDiffs ok thanks. Need it for daily use and quick start from traffic lights ;)
Is 215k right model for e46 330d 2,47 diff?
@@brodeerpl that's the one👍🏻
Ist das Differential dann 100% gesperrt
Not at all. It is rather smooth, perfect for everyday use.
@@RacingDiffs so I can drive normally top speed as usually
Exactly 💯
Jeli bi moglo izdržati 500whp?
Zavisi u koje svrhe😀
@@RacingDiffs drifting
Nije bas preporuceno. Koji auto je u pitanju?
E46 188k diff. Motor je od chevrolet v8 5.3L turbo
Za to bolje da se ubaci celo srce.
czcams.com/video/069lcT-MF7U/video.htmlsi=O7wqEzbC_Hs_RRwa
this kit doesnt look like it would hold for long
I've had it on my car for a couple months and beat on it pretty regularly. No issues from the lsd unit.
the man on this video does everything the opposite of the official recomendation video: czcams.com/video/TLfNjcijk-k/video.html&ab_channel=RacingDiffsOfficial
I ordered 188k lsd conversion last week for my e60 do i need to shave the spider dears or it doset need any more in this upgrade ?
You don't need to machine spider gears anymore 👍🏻