The Secret to shooting a 410
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- The little 410 is so different in size, weight and balance to our usual 12 gauge. These are my reasons for historically struggling to shoot one, but with a .410 competition at Casa De Campo on the horizon, it was about time I learnt.
So we hooked up with Jake Pike and Adam Calvert to try and get to grips with it!
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I'll turn 75 my next birthday and have accumulated a couple of health issues along the way. I hunt doves mostly and with a .410 mostly. I think it is adding to the number of years I will be able to hunt.
after watching films about .410 from TGS and TSC I decided to buy my first .410 at the height of the international cartridge shortage. I bought a Browning citori for my 49th birthday present. With the price and limited availability of cartridges I try to make every shot count. I used to consider the .410 a "child's gun" but after owning and shooting sporting clays with it I realized that it will make a man out of you and humble you scores. Box checked!
Did always wonder why the .410 was a ‘kids’ gun. One hell of a way to demoralize a kid and put them off the sport 😂. I love taking the .410 out for a couple boxes sometimes after I’m done with the 12
@@harryminkley1962I think it's a "kid's gun" in the sense that it goes bang, yet doesn't carry as far as a 22 if the neophyte forgets some of their target discipline. I'd guess most kids used them for small game rather than serious wingshooting.
I use my .410 for night shooting rabbits, very effective little gun. Used it for ducks this year and surprised myself how well I did. It makes you shoot properly, and it’s fun.
BRAVO !!!
Now that 410 ammo has gotten even more expensive and rarer I'd recommend to you a MEC 600 jr in 410, a 25 pound bag of shot, primers, 410 wads a reloading handbook for 410 and a can of Hodgdon's L'il Gun. The material costs of reloading 410 will soon pay off the equipment. And if you like you could reload 000 buckshot for it. Material costs for 410 birdshot is around 4 bucks a box if you have hulls.
I used my 410 for American skeet for many years on a standard skeet course, and I averaged about eighteen birds per round. I also used it for upland bird hunting, and loved it. It now belongs to my grandchildren!
I bought a 725 .410 last year and absolutely love it. We often shoot 100 sporting clays with 12, 20, 16... then go out and shoot another 50 of the easier targets with .410. Last week I actually shot a better score with a .410 than a 12 gauge.
Webley Scott 4.10 bolt action. As much fun as you can have with your trousers on!
I bought a Beretta Silver Pigeon .410 about a year ago and I love shooting it, yes I miss a lot but the fun. I have noticed the cartridges make more of a difference than a 12 bore
Dear sir, I am not at all surprised by your statement that your scores were higher using .410. My first 100 straight was the fruit of .410.
Have had a Rizzini 410 for seven or eight years and I love it. With cylinder and IC chokes at under 30 yards, it bowls rabbits easily and smokes pigeons. Small shot like 8s still penetrates well enough to kill humanely and fills the pattern.
Not shot a 410 for some 45 years!!! Looks like fun. Fantastic layout for a shoot. Good work guys!
.410 is hands down the most fun for sporting, most local courses are set up too easy for 12&20
Dear friends! What an interesting video. Thank you for showing us all its relevance to Sporting Clays presentations. You show us that this little one has plenty of merits. He deserves much more than to be relegated to oblivion. THANK YOU to the American skeet discipline who keeps two calibers alive still today: the .410 and the .28. Thanks also to all the authentic small game hunters who use the .410. These two categories help keep subgauge calibers alive.
You guys demonstrates beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is not so much the number of pellets contained in a cartridge that guarantees success in clay shooting. The guarantee of success is to fire at the right time and at the right place in the trajectory. That's an open secret. The challenge is to apply the fundamentals in such a way as to shoot at the right time and at the right place WHILE ALWAYS looking at the target from the start.
Late Wayne Mayes, Mr. American Skeet. This exceptional shooter and distinguished holder of an endless list of numerous titles and records, shows us that the well-known expression saying: bigger is better is not really justified in clay shooting. Meaning that the phrase more pellets more kills is not an axiom of truth. I raise this point because Mayes, in his successful career, hit 100 straight American skeet 200 times with the .410 caliber. For the last 6 or 5 years of his illustrious career, Mayes used only this caliber in all events of American skeet competition. To think that the secret of success is to relate to the caliber used is a bit like believing in Santa Claus... The secret lies in the optimal way of using the conjunction between peripheral vision and direct vision. The other determining element is to ensure an impeccable gun fit that matches the conformation of the shooter's face, the length of his neck and his LOP.
With the aforementioned attributes, the targets move inexorably towards a fatal fate. Cheers to all of you guys.
Hey if you can break clays with a 410 you can break them with most anything
I have been shooting American sporting clays with .410 for the last couple seasons. It put the fun back in the game. M/IM chokes and let er rip.
There’s only two calibres in my collection and the .410s never fail to make me smile it’ll kill nearly everything at barbury I think you need to invest in one and get at a few clays !
Two of most embarrassing moments of my shooting life were 410 related.
1) An Olympic gold medallist giving me a stir about doing 2 rounds od practiseDTL with a 410 , and
2) deciding the slippery, hard plastic butt plate on the Yildiz needed to replaced with a rubber pad... trying to explain to the gunsmith ( and having tge rest of a busy shop overhear) that I wanted a rubber recoil pad on a 410 wasn't my finest hour.
As an older person with damaged shoulders a 410 appealed to me. So I bought one.
If you have the patience a 410 makes you makes you a better shooter. 410 reloading while somewhat expensive to start quickly allows a payback of initial costs.
I have also reloaded buckshot and rabbit shot for my 410.
In Russia, a 410 caliber cartridge costs 30-50 cents. I don't buy them in the store myself, I assemble them, I have a lot of components, and it costs 10-20 cents.
@@horn410 I'm reloading 410 also, about the same cost for materials for birdshot. buckshot costs about twice that.
@@phild8095 I really like to equip cartridges!!!
@@horn410 do you reload anything else? I reload 20 gauge, 380 ACP, 9mm Luger, and 223 Remington.
@@phild8095 Only 410.My second weapon is TOZ-16 (22LR).
Great video. I shoot a Browning 725 .410 at SC. I walk my courses and use it on the shorter presentations, something bigger for longer shots.
My great uncle had a Winchester Model 42, plain Jane field gun that passed to my Dad, now me. Well used 1935 vintage. It is undergoing a complete revival, reblue, engraving sharpened up, adding a factory vent rib, exhibition quality wood with competition forend.
It will be my 16 yard trap gun, will pass to my son, the 4th generation!
Used my $29 dollar Sears .410 single shot for clays. Absolutely loved it.
Nice video, I love shooting .410s ... My TOZ-34 in 28 GAUGE is perfect for quail hunting.
In my early teens I used to hunt rabbits with a hand me down .410 that came from my Grandpaw. My mother told me she shot it for the first time when she was 12 in the back yard. She did say however the back yard was 10 acers.
I've bought the silver pigeon .410 two weeks ago, and I've never had so much fun shooting clays more fun then my 12g
I have a mossberg pump 410 (to match the 20 gauge version also in my collection). I use it to hunt ruffed grouse and take off their head at 20 yards. It's light kicking so a say afield is not a painful affair. I would not collect them but 1 in the locker is nice to have.
Love my .410s
Definitely my fave calibre .
I isemine for some clays but mostly for pigeon decoying .i had 4 birds just in a short session today. Longest bird must have been 40 yds . Easily capable around the 30 - 35 yds range .i shoot mine better than the 20b and 12b .
The first clay i ever shot was with a single shot 410. I remember how big of a deal it was for me. Then stepped up tk a 20 ga and quickly to a 12 ga. Now days i stepped back to a 20 ga for everything
shot a 410 for years Quail hunting ,,my favorite
My aunt owns a single shot .410 shotgun, not sure who made it. I hunted squirrels with it for years, until my parents got me a Rossi combo set (.410 and .22lr barrels). Now I use 12's and 20's primarily, but still take that .410 out on occasion.
i love shooting sub-gauge, adds a lot of fun to clay shooting
A .410 is the rare breed that works well to teach children to accept recoil but truly doesn’t shine until it’s in an experts hand. I love the caliber but it will humble you.
I’ve never found a .410 here stateside that fit me, and I’m only 6’3”. I need to find a 20 for dove hunting with a good LOP for me. Also, I feel ya on staying in the shade. I’m a ginger too.
I've got myself set up for handloading 410 brass. No ammo problems.
Poor fitting wads though lead to much lower velocities been down that road once already.backvto stuffing plastic hulls.
Amazing 😊
The 410 was my late dad's favorite he said he did shot more pheasants & rabbits with 410 than his 12bore when rough shooting with the dog..
I’d take the 2-1/2 inch.410 shell every time over the 3”. The factory loads for the 3 are so slow at 1100 fps. The 2-1/2 is usually 1235. I do have a 3/4 oz handload for the 3 inch that is 1210 fps. I use it for hunting as 3/4 oz was actually the factory weight for 3 inch.410’s back in the day. Since the factory loaded 3 inch with 11/16 oz at 1100 is completely ineffective against game. I once shot a grouse that was sitting on a log 3 times from 15 feet away with 3” federal #4 shot and watched it literally shake it feathers off after each shot- and then it walked away. Again American factory loads in 3 inch .410 are unethical to use on game imo. Take the velocity of the 1/2 oz 2-1/2 if you have to shoot factory loads. The 1/2 oz is deadly at 25 yards and in.
What I couldn't believe about this video is that they were throwing all their empties away. The only way you can afford to shoot a .410 is to reload. there is hardly any ammo shortages when you reload your own ammo. My gun is a "Citori Sporting Clays Edition" with 32" bbls. I love that gun.
I'm assuming these guys have some money or get ammo sponsorship. I dont know if clay shooting is a cheap sport in the UK .
Jonny - hope you got to enjoy some Presidente down there - a pretty good lager!
410? IDK; I prefer to reload, and I expect those little buggers are rascals to trickle shot into. 20 is probably small enough for me.
Been shooting a 410 o/u and sbs almost exclusively for about 10 years now. Don’t like the recoil of a 12 anymore due to a bad shoulder, but thanks to the inevitable lead ban , I think my shooting days are numbered, which is a shame because I thought I would have at least another 20 years if I was lucky,especially when I only eat what I shoot.ant complain though had 54 years of the sport.
410 steel works good
@@Imragnar1 not even a thing in my country uk, plus fixed chokes
Waiting for someone like fiocchi or gamebore to produce an effective and affordable alternative. So far only bismuth available at an eyewatering £1500 per 1000 cartridges which is unaffordable to me and many others.
@@martingay5975 There is winchester .410 steel in the uk but the price aint much better at almost a pound a shot.
@@Lethal_Intent where can these be purchased from.
Shot one excusively for the last 10 yrs at driven game. Just put it in the pattern like any other gun.
Got a 410 franchi instinct l a few years ago. My hunting buddies all gave me crap bout a 410 on pheasant. First hunt bout 5 min in rooster gets up.dropped 1 shot there all looking for 410s now lol
I love shooting 410,
i remember over 40Yr ago a game shoot organiser was saying about the game keepers behind the front gunline taking out the missed birds with a 410 when the main gauge of the guns was 12g , in short you have to be more accurate where you place your (smaller ) pattern ............
My grandfather was a skeet/clay pigeon shooting champion back in the 1970's and late 60's in the states. He used .410 as a training gun to get his accuracy down and in competition used Krieghoff 12 gauge over unders in matches.
"Only need one pellet"
Which is exactly the number of pellets that dropped a Black Duck this years opening morning.
The first gun I shot was a single barrel bolt action 410, I shot it when I was 10
I love shooting a 410 My favorite gauge by far. It would be great to see you shoot and film the 410 world championship in August of this year. I’m sure everyone would like to see that. Oh and I think that you can shoot 3” shells during that event ! Thanks !
What chokes for the .410
I just put MOD (1/2) in both.
I am a decent shotgun shot, not a great shotgun shot. I decided to sell my 410's, conceding that these are for experts. In my experience however, my 28 gauge shotguns don't put me at that great a disadvantage over 20 gauge guns. I LOVE my 28's and always choose them over my 20's for almost everything except reasonably difficult sporting clays courses.
I started shooting trap with a single shot .410. Challenging…
What are your thoughts on a 28ga versus a .410 for teaching a child to shoot?
My son started shooting a 410 at age 5. I would hold the forearm and he would hold the trigger. He would aim and pull the trigger. He loved it. We would never do it too much maybe 10 shots.
Then he got a youth moss berg 410. He enjoyed.
Bach to my 410.
Then his current is a 28ga Beretta.
If it fits it doesn’t hurt. If it hurts …. Step it back down.
He’s now 11. He has shot a 20ga and a 12ga. Guns don’t fit and not comfortable… yet. He love shooting and so do I. Have fun.
keep the gun under your target, once your gun is way over or way in front, you are in trouble, you can smoothly move up but down rarely works consistently.
Got a $99 .410 from the pawn shop so I could legally hunt squirrels near my house in northern AZ. The secret I discovered was... aim!
I love a 410
Just for killing snakes and rodents, IMO. Love my 28ga but ammo is crazy expensive.
how many grams and what size shot are you using for clays with a 410.?
Here it was 14grams or 1/2oz. You can buy up to 19gram off the shelf which are a bit more effective
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I want a Winchester model 42 so bad my teeth ache! Haha
??? A very amateur shotgun shooter here... Would it be to anyone's advantage to periodically spend a day or so shooting the . 410 to hone one's technique on 12 & 20 bore??? Especially if one were to add some weight here and there to make it handle a little like a larger bore?? Great video... 👍
I have a Beretta 682S and its a 4 barrel set so I can shoot all the gauges. Its heavy almost 10 lbs and I shoot 410 the best with this gun, I have a 410 pump that is light and my scores are definitely higher with the heavy gun.
You should try removable .410 tubes inside of your 12 gauge
My model 42 Winchester has won me a fair amount of money. Also have real LC smith 410. A 410 is not a child’s gun. It’s an experts gun
There is a Mod 42 in holts that has taken my fancy
It's about time you treated yourself to a 410. Folks, the 410 is NOT a difficult caliber to shoot, the only difference between the 410 and 12 gauge is that you have to be a bit more precise with the 410 and the 12 gauge uses 1/2 ounce or more lead than you really need. BTW, I have a Silver Pigeon III 410/28 gauge 2 barrel set with 30 inch sporting barrels and don't find it at all "whippy'. Note, I load my own and all that extra lead for the 12 gauge adds up to about 2 dollars a box.
Reloading is the only way to go with the other gauges(.410, 28 or 16). $2 per box wow that is cheap!
@@mcbridecreek I wish I could load for 2 dollars a box. That is just the cost for 25 1/2 ounce shot charges. Add in a wad, primer, and 5 cents per hull and it costs me 6.26 per box of 410 versus 8.36 per box of 1 ounce 12 gauge.
@@Scooter-dm3qo yeah it definitely adds up. Some guys have shot makers. Shot is so expensive. Good hulls like REM or Win AA can be reloaded 4-5 times.
410 shotgun uses this actual measurement. A 12-gauge shotgun's bore is between 0.720″ and 0.740″ so the terms “12 bore” isn't actually correct even though it was a common term until recently.Jan 31, 2020. 410 is the only one you should refer to as bore. 12, 16, 20, 28 should always be referred to as gauge.
My .410s will make the "best" 12ga shooters blush and quit.
I'll never understand why people talk sh!t about .410's. It doesn't have a lack of power, it just has a smaller load.
It's probably the most versatile gun that exists. You can 410 get loads for every single small game size that exists, as well as being able to take larger game like deer or vermin with slugs & buckshot.
Little recoil, light firearm, easy to use, much lower noise (which is a good thing) and still extremely lethal.
People sneering at the power of a 410 is so silly. if a person was struck with 5 pellet 000 buckshot from a 410 they would still be blown apart and hit the floor instantly.
People talking about it like an air rifle is weird. Very useful & respectable firearm. Louder and larger loads doesn't mean better. A 410 will get any job done.
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So the secret is: do everything that you used to with your 12, just be much more precise.
I use an over/under .410 for ruffed grouse because everything else is overkill. I've taken it shooting clays a few times now just for shits & giggles and after a little practice, I'm picking them off as far away as my 12-gauge. Everybody who shoots it loves it, and it's just some turkish-made bullshit model.
.410 is very popular in the USA... But... Slug guns, pest control, personal protection, garden protection. Never anything like thiy
The answer is don't, just stick with a 20
its criminal the price of .410 shells. Price vs Demand is a poor argument. There would be higher demand if the price was comparable to 12 and 20 ga. Its one of the driving factors to people ignoring what would be a fun gun to shoot. Its the "22" of the shotgun world without the cheap ammo benefits of a "22"
A .410 forces precision in your aiming. The huge spread of a 12ga will give you a false sense of ability.
That is very true. I think I need to invest in a 410!
expensive
If i end up shacking up with a lady at my age, I'm probably going to buy her a 12g shotgun as a symbol of our commonlaw partnership. Instead of proposing marriage.
If that sounds disappointing, I know the feeling.
Always hilarious when guys are slaves to the size.
What's Prince Harry doing there, and where's his boss Meghan Sparkle
I've not seen jake for years! If your reading this jake all I'll say is "any luck" 😂
It'll damn well kill em if your on em! from dove to duck an four legged up to coyotes, probably more. Being On em is the trick. Shooting a .410 is kind like,,, golf. Sorry bugger. Half in componants, near twice in price. If you want to shoot the little walkin' sticks YOU WILL PAY for the privilage!