Why The Brotherhood Of Steel Always Wins
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- čas přidán 30. 05. 2024
- This video is a re-upload to rectify a balance issue with the music.
In this video, we analyze the Brotherhood of Steel's tactical positioning in the Commonwealth, as well as that of The Institute and The Railroad, to determine why the Brotherhood of Steel will ultimately prevail in the region's conflict.
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I love the brotherhood but the Republic of Dave would absolutely crush them
Facts
DAAAAAVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEE!
But we all know Gary 47 would demolish both.
Grandma sparkle solos
@@dr.bright3081 Until the player shows up.
The Legion: Am I a joke to you?
*Courier blows up an entire brotherhood chapter in a few min because some bald guy with cancer told him to*
Walter white?
Those three guys in the bunker were so lame. NV made me hate the Brotherhood. 3 and 4 made me like them again lol
@@richter6699Vegas made them stagnant like a group like them would become
@@richter6699 They were broken in New Vegas. Ruined by Elijah.
@@richter6699 I would love the Brotherhood as well if they decide to try to gets their hands on productivity pre-war tech as well as such farming equipment, medical technology, pre-war books (I assume they have this one, but they just don't share it) and try to improve lives of people in the wasteland and bring order to chaos.
The kid's excitement over the BoS's arrival honestly takes me back to my first time playing Fallout 3. I was nine when I got it and it was my first Fallout game. Upon witnessing the BoS soldier in the intro, and even on the game's cover, I was stoked. I got even more excited when I realized that I could join them and fight alongside them.
I think its piper how is excited in the beginning
I felt catharsis when I blew up the Citadel in the dlc.
@@BlackJannikshe loses her shit when she sees the Prydwen then proceeds to hate everything the brotherhood says and does
@@greatwargaming2924 ok
@@greatwargaming2924 That's pretty much Piper in a nutshell tbh, let's not forget her entire backstory is just "I once had a hunch that proved true so now I'm completely comfortable making baseless accusations"
Holy crap. Using "Klendathu Drop" from Starship Troopers alongside Brotherhood of Steel footage is a stroke of genius.
Do you remember the timestamp?
@@Callsign_Prophet The video starts with it.
I was thinking the same thing 😂
@schmitzjamesandrew oh dang no wonder I couldn't find it looked everywhere but the start lmao. Can't believe I missed it
@@Callsign_Prophet No worries, bro. It happens.
For all its faults 76 gave them a few bad retcons, but also one that is very underappreciated. The OG Maxon wanted the Brotherhood to help people, and recruit the capable to the cause, it being his son and many other jaded elders deciding to make the codex "Don't let them in, don't help them" felt much more appropriate considering that at its core the BOS is about saving humanity, some days that means keeping dangerous tech out of raider hands and others that means fighting to repair a mass water purifier so the locals have a chance at rebuilding. Some people say the "knightly hero" thing is cliche, but you know what with all the monsters and sins of humanity running around, a little hope and heroism go a long way. Ad Victorium brothers.
Ad Victorium Knight!
Ad Victorium, brother
AD VICTORIUM
yeah. how ironic that the council of elders told Lyons his chapter were violating Brotherhood conducts and procedures when in reality, High Elder Roger Maxson wanted the Brotherhood to be the way Lyons ran his chapter
After playing about a thousand hours on F76 and diving deep into the BoS lore in the game. I actually didn't see any real retcons against established lore. All they did was add into a area of lore that was truthfully blank because we only know the bare basics of the BoS and what they were doing till the player first meets them well over a hundred years after the bombs dropped. There is a whole lot that can be done with the early days of the BoS.
they did cut off support, but they still recognized the east coast chapter as part of the Brotherhood, still. and said they wont stop him from what hes doing, but he will ve doing it on his own. and no more aid will be sent over until the original mission resumes. however, Lyons had it right. his numbers swelled, his army grew more advanced, gained access to new power armor and vertibirds, his chapter became the most powerful Brotherhood chapter out of all of them
Yup thats why in 4 they established communications again. also seeing how the Mojave chapter started to do the same with working with the NCR to better their future as well. I hope in Fallout 5 or hopefully also a future obsidian fallout again where lost hills is opening up as well with the NCR
@@wargames43 the West Coast Chapter is gonna be trickier. this is because they are themselves a very sizeable force as is. with the Mojave chapter easily being dwarfed by them. while the East Coast is certainly the largest chapter, the West Coast is possibly almost half their numbers. being themselves a serious force to be reckoned with by this point. so they might be more stubborn to do this than the other chapters, if not the most stubborn
I like the Brotherhood in Fallout 4 but it makes me sad each time I hear "I had enough of Lyons and his foolish ways.". Damn soldier, you are doing the same thing he wanted: protect the people from danger like super-mutant. He was a good man and deserved more respect.
@@dermenore7162 well under Maxson, the Fallout 4 Brotherhood is a mix of Lyons helpful nature and the old mission. but yeah, honestly if it werent for Lyons and his leadership, the East Coast Chapter wouldnt be where they are today and Maxson wouldnt have been educated and trained like he is now
@Godofawesome16 idk if you know this.... NCR already destroyed the West Coast chapter. The Mojave has remnants of that Chapter. That's why Maxson was shipped to the East.
Still don't know why they didn't just repair the air Craft carrier and relocate the civilians to adams air force base
The carrier was ripped in half and gutted to make rivet city
The ocean’s scary.
@@Robert_Richard_ it still had a nuclear core all you need is about 1000 rolls of flex tape and some welders and boom you fixed a hole
@@chianghighshrek adhesive can be hard to come by in large quantities for example me when base building 😔
@@chianghighshrek I can't tell if this is sarcastic, but if not, it seems more likelyy to me BOS would take the core, then leave Rivet City on their own.
Its hard to find this quality in Fallout lore, keep on posting.
Thank you!!
There are a lot of great channels posting fallout lore, id suggest checking out any of the following channels. Synonymous, Oxhorn, shoddycast, wisefish, graenolf, radking, yaboiii
@@student5221isn't oxhorn a crazy person?
Oxhorn goes into to much detail. I don't need to know where every piece of junk in a given area.
@@lolsmilvision no.
i always hated how people pretend that the institue didnt make all the super mutants in boston , and that virgil is the reason why they exsist ,or pretend as if synths are not a race of people that was made to kill and replace their family and freinds is annoying or the fact that the brotherhood has never attacked non feral ghouls.
Why do you hate this? Like really the whole kidnappings make no sense. At least the random ones. The Super Mutants also make no sense. Bethesda just wants them in their Fallout Games at all costs even if there's no reason to do so. Fallout 76 only highlights that issue to the extreme. All the "evil" the Institute has done only really shows just how incompetent Bethesda is in Worldbuilding and Story telling. Because I bet my soul that Child Shaun is the Player Characters actual child, until some Bethesda Waste-of-Genetics decided the Plot doesn't have a big "Plot Twist" and turned *the old man* into your actual child and then had to rearrange the story with second hand explanations why Kellog didn't age.
Also, part of the reason why I will always choose the Institute is this: I imagine the post ending of Fallout 4. I don't care what they supposed to have done according to the Bethesda writers. I become it's Leader, without a catch. "Father" is dead and he has already proven that he could outvote the other Scientists so the PC can do so as well. Plus the PC is one of Fallouts God like entities. The Androids are created, they are my tools with which to change the world. All this "They have rights" bullshit is nothing but a nuisance, since they are just the next step in a larger plan. And last thing: The Institute is the technologically most advanced post war Faction. their tech is not just limited to Androids. They have clean water, food and medical supplies. With those and the help of the Minutemen, which just to happen to be the PC's other Army, rebuilding Boston the way the Player/ I see fit is the only real outcome.
@@TurKlack by that logic my character just make more anti teleportation devices that are at the airport and place them all around the Commonwealth
Brotherhood is whats best for the world. I don’t understand how anyone can say otherwise
@@JaKingScomezHave you played any fallout except Fallout 4?
@@JaKingScomez the main reasons people don't choose the brotherhood of steel
is modern day sensibility in other words they don't think of the BoS in fallout they think of it in the real world. they think they're Nate or Nora when in truth they are trashcan Carla or one of the settlers
The best way of thinking of who should win is to imagine being a settler at the beginning of the game
RR: you hear the institute is destroyed all other threats are still out there
Mm: there is no actual in universe way to call the MM in time to stop the super mutant from eating you alive while you were sleeping
inst: the guys who kidnappeds and murders and replaced your friend is now in charged and you still get killed by one of their super mutants
boS: some guys show up and start demanding a portion of your crops
You eat less and work more but now you have a power armor dude protecting you from ghouls, raiders, and most importantly super mutants
I still remember how blown i was away on my first playthrough of fallout 4. Immediately ran to join the BOS
Same here on my first playthrough. But I hate 4s faction.
Same here aswell the brotherhood is probably one of the most powerful factions in fallout 4. With such a legendary beginning with their relentless war against the enclave finally destroying their grip on america after their devastating defeat in fallout 3.
It felt pretty real when i started 4s run with the brotherhood and slowly realized that they were not what i recalled from 3
@@Year_of_the_DellInstead they’re better 💪🏼
Seriously 11 year old me was blown away by them flying in like that(fallout 4 was my first fallout game don’t hate😂). Fast forward 9 years and playing the other fallout games BOS is still my favorite faction.
It's always weird for me when playing a game and they use the V-22 osprey in some derivative. My father worked on them since 04 so it was always an important aircraft imo.
It was cool to see games finally adopting them as futuristic equipment. There was a crash in Arizona that killed about 20 (I think) and there was serious consideration of cutting the entire project.
Once they were included in games I kind of knew that the osprey made it. I used to show him when I'd find them in games.
This is the most endearing story I have read in these comments so far. Thank you 🙏
@@theneocypher appreciate that. I know it doesn't really tie into your video. I did enjoy it. Anyways, good luck to you on your future endeavors.
@tigerwoods373
It just looks cool having the dual rotar and wing aircraft. It's not they they don't have merit. Hell the army is replacing Blackhawks with a new dual wing and rotar aircraft
@@stangerr0267 they are more complex machine than a single roter aircraft more crew needed for maintainance more cost etc etc
@leaveme3559
Well yeah but that doesn't make them worthless. And they've improved upon a lot of the issues
I’m surprised the brotherhood didn’t take the castle when they got into the Commonwealth surly they would’ve know about those cannons being the only thing that could possibly bring them down
The Brotherhood had literally no way to know about the cannons or the arsenal itself. The Castle was abandoned 47 years before the events of the game and 44 years before the arrival of the first Brotherhood reconnaissance group. From the strategic point of view, it has zero value for them due to the proximity of the Boston Airport and ruined defense structures.
@@thenickdor9126 literally everythings been abandoned its the wasteland, thats kinda the point of sending reconnaissance groups in the first place!
the castle is a fortified structure thats literally right next to the boston airport and they never bothered to check it out?
@@InitialPC I'm not sure that brotherhood is really interested about any place that doesn't possess any potential besides fortification. Again, the have Boston Airport as their ground base of operations, I doubt they would've stretch their ground forces or at least send a field scribe team to secure a location that close to the airport if there isn't anything of technological value or any weapons. I mean they took Fort Strong only for the nuclear arsenal. At this point I'm surprised that the brotherhood did'nt send anyone to the National Guard Training Yard or Fort Hagen
@@thenickdor9126the castle dose provide a strategic position it is a closer location to down town Boston it is also a relatively fast land route (flying is nice but thare is a reason modern military forces dont just fly everywhere especially in a apocalypse whare fual is rare and was already rare pre war) it also provides fortified position for the brotherhood to fall back to if the air port falls as anyone will tell you its always good to have a backup plan
The brotherhood is a military force which originated from us military troops they should have taken that into account and had some people secure the fort when they arrived especially with it being a good place to confidante an attack on the Boston Airport from especially when the minutemen put artillery thare that is a threat to all brotherhood operations in the Boston area
@@USSEnterprise6126 yeah, that's pretty much true, but there's a couple of things that must be pointed out:
First, Brotherhood is NOT a millitary organization. They're millitaristic, true, but it's not the same. Descendants of the US Army locked themselves in the bunker for a good hundred years before they started their small-scale ground operations. In that bunker, they probably didn't develop any new tactics, because their main idea is to "preserve", not develop. There are little to none new technologies or devices that Brotherhood invented or created from the scratch. They're probably studying old army tactical guides, but how much of it would apply to the post-apocalyptic scenarios?
And the second, Eastern Brotherhood is clearly arrogant enough to believe that they wouldn't be attacked in their doorstep. In the Fallout 3 we saw how swiftly and precisely Enclave won over most of the Capital Wasteland basically because Brotherhood didn't expected anyone to match or even surpass their technological level. They're yet again locked themselves up in the Citadel and then unleashed literally Deus Ex Machina that helped them win and of course they brought it to the Commonwealth with them to try that trick again. When you're extorting food from farmers or play point-and-shoot with the feral ghouls, there's not much need of the advanced millitary tactics that includes backup bases, logistical chains etc.
Both Eastern and Western Brotherhood share a bad habit of underestimating their enemies. Because of that, Western Chapter almost got destroyed by the NCR, so it's logical to assume that Eastern Brotherhood won't be suddenly using far more sophisticated combat and ground operations tactics.
There are two layers to their armor, steel, and plot.
love the starship troopers music you put in this it indeed put a smile on my face now i can imagine a brotherhood knight looking back at his troop and yelling "come on you apes do you wanna live forever!"
💪🏻
the federation theme fits the brotherhood eerily well.
Agreed
@@theneocypher of course in the end. The brotherhood would ultimately fall to the Legion.
@@tinyveil Let’s be real, the Legion dies with Caesar
Unified Brotherhood > all other factions
I hate to believe it. But Mr. House was right about the brotherhood of steel. Instead of rebuilding a nation that elder lions visioned we all loved was lost. they reverted back to a cult instead of a government.
the game was rigged from the start
That’s literally how they always were
The quality here is impressive. Ik there are quite a few comments about it as pure BOS fanboying but I say: so be it.
The BOS made me into a Fallout fan in the first place and I truly appreciate your perspective here.
Ad Victoriam!
Ad Victorium!
@@theneocypher I thought it was “Ad victorian!” then I figured out it was “Ad victoriam!” And now I’m confused what’s real.
Call it what you want brother, the point is that we love The Bos ❤
Liberty prime is based as hell…I respect it.
Facts
Facts
Based Liberty prime
Liberty prime is not only my favorite robot in all of fiction its also just one of the most based characters of all time.
Liberty Primes power to identify communists is not from this world!
This title is misleading, everyone knows, The house always wins
Absolutely love the Gaiden Shinji call back from Oblivion
Love your stuff keep up the good work because what you’re making is better than a lot of other fallout contact that I’ve seen I’ve seen all your videos and I’ve seen your growth and I can’t wait to see how far you’ll go
Thank you so much for tuning in! Your support means the world to me!
Why nobody talking about the synth that was on screen for 1 frame when he was talking about mayor mcdonough. That was so cool bro nice work 💯
Thank you! I’m glad you noticed!
Had no idea this was such a young account. Amazing quality and production value! Keep it up
Thank you so much!
BoS got that main character syndrome
Starship troopers music fits well to the brotherhood
That was a great video! I like how you deliver the story and the facts. I didn't know a lot of that pre-FO4 information about the BoS and I'm grateful to have found someone who explained the whole thing without also supplying opinions and conspiracy theories - not because I don't dig those things, but when you want "just the facts," it's sometimes hard to find them in amongst the rhetoric! So thanks. 🙂
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
Amazing work, brother!!! I am going to check your previous work now, and I am VERY much looking forward to all of your future work!
Thank you so much! Enjoy!!
You also have to give a round of applause to the recon teams/spies they have. We may meme about how easy it is to find the location of the Railroad hideout, but they also found the much harder to find base under Bunker Hill.
thats because as with most games the world is comicaly scaled down for technical and gameplay reasons , for example the pale pass quest in oblivion where the journal says he travelled to the cave entrace for a few days while ingame its like 2 minutes away from the gates of bruma lol
“Gargantuan, Commie-blasting automaton” is the perfect description of liberty prime
I have watched all your videos and this seems the best format to dare, keep it up man, you’re great.
Thanks, will do!
Although the minutemen are the obvious choice for me, because they actually care about taking care of the people, the BoS is going to be my favorite group, more specifically the capital wasteland faction.
Brotherhood is always going to be cool
Okay I've never done a Brotherhood of steel play through on Fallout 4, that ends today.
Have fun!!
Almost all my playthroughs are brotherhood
@@mintz9782almost all of mine are institute lol 😂
Ad Victorium brother!
I'm a aucker for Fallout Lore, and you're giving this quality early on on your channel? Deffo subbing.
Welcome aboard!
@@theneocypher just realized you have a legion profile subbing NOW. AVE, TRUE TO CAESAR.
The Starship Troopers music with this is pure gold
Surprisingly well written and structured for a kid with such a new channel.
I know Oxhorn did a video ages ago stating how the BoS is "Evil" but i beg to differ, because during my playthrough of Fallout 4 with the BoS, alot of the settlers after the BoS wins, actually start to like them, because the BoS actually go out their way to destroy mutants and other dangers during their patrols which make the roads/routes alot safer for normal folk.
Plus if i remember rightly, the Minutemen are always alive in every playthrough no matter what other faction you choose, i've seen many peoples comments, saying the Minutemen would act as some kind of police force dealing with minor things whilst the BoS deals with destroying major threats such as mutants and feral ghouls...i hope whenever theirs a Fallout 5 that arthur maxson is alive or at least he has a daughter or son of his own to carry on with the Brotherhood, it'd be nice to see the BoS go back to its roots.
I think in Fallout 76 the founder, roger maxson stated that the original goal of the BoS was to actually help people so maybe, slowly work back towards that?.
Also....
Ad Victoriam Everyone!.
The brotherhood is evil. They rob the settler of the commonwealth and don’t care about them
The Brotherhood in Fallout 4 is basically the enclave
@@samsonthemansonBullshit. Their take on technology in a world destroyed by nuclear weapons is understandable. Plus they are the only faction that cares about the average man. Railroad jerks off to liberating machines. And the Institute kidnaps people and makes said machines. They are the obvious choice over bleeding heart idiots or morally corrupt technophiles.
This felt like a History channel documentary fantastic
Thank you!!
Always proud to say my first play through of fallout 4 was me being a proud and loyal member in the brotherhood of steel
Despite the flaws of Fallout 4, the Brohood of Steel has one helluva presentation
Indeed
Because Todd said so
This video is cap, we all know that the house always wins
(NOTE: this is a joke and your work is excellent, your voice is perfect for this kind of videos, keep it up!!)
Thank you!
amazing video for such a small creator, loved it, now i’ll binge a few more
The way you structured this video really makes me want a fallout video game or board game. Where you pick a faction and then you have to establish settlements and forces and battle and grow and trade and expand. That would be sick
Modiphius has a fallout ttrpg, it's pretty good
I once heard a historian describe the power of sheer and total determination; that there are certain people in history with such unbreakable wills and resolve that causality, luck, and circumstance seem to bend to them; people like Alexander of Greece. Their unrelenting drive propels them forward as forces of history, abd it seems Elder Maxon is shaping up to be one of them.
This is genuinely a pretty good lore video man, good job. Your voice fits so much, takes the quality sky high. Keep up the work!
Thank you so much!! 🙏
How have you only got 5k subs, just discovered your channel got 5 minutes in to this video and subscribed instantly love this type of content ❤
Got the perfect voice for it 👍🏻
Thank you so much! Welcome aboard!
I love the brotherhood and I want to support them every run but I end up feeling like the minutemen are the best for the commonwealth as a whole.
The minutemen definitely are. The brotherhood raid the people of the commonwealth, they just look better doing it. The minutemen make every decision in the best interest of the people
Until the PC dies and nobody want to take over or everyone wants to take over causing a power struggle that brought them down the first time. Not to mention Nora is a lawyer I’m sure she gets the gist of military logistics but not as in depth of Nate big to small she would probably make some critical decisions similar to Preston. Preston isn’t a viable leader either he’s the reason only a handful of people survived one massive example is moving on Lexington without any recon element prior to leading to the deaths of several and the last stand you find them in. Ronnie shaw has no interest in leading so she’s off the table. Sturges would be a good tech advisor but wouldn’t make much of a leader of the MM and shows no interest. You could say the PC mentors someone to take his place however that totalitarian at its root and goes against the MM ideas which brings me to my next point who’s to say the MM don’t turn coat and go raider it happened at liberatlia it happend at Quincy it’s bound to happen again most people think it’s the good choice because of the choices they make but those choices give the MM more power to be abused in summary the MM are doomed regardless of your choice the BH is the only sustainable option
I thought this was a video complaining about them, but a reasonable, well thought out video was not what I expected
Thanks!
Fallout 4 writers did every factions dirty with their incompetence.....but I have to admit BoS intro scene was cool as hell
Loved the intro to this video!
Thank you!
>the entire might of a Brotherhood invasion force when a 200 year-old lawyer shows up with a pathological liar, a conspiracy theorist, and an improvised explosive made of parts from a wrecked car and three toasters.
FML now i want a Terran Federation reskin mod for the BoS after watching this intro...
Same lol
"Leaving nothing but a pile of viscous liquid green goo." That also keeps their gear totally intact. I love the fallout logic :)
Another great video. Love every one
Thank you!
I love the fact you’ve combined 2 of my favourite things - fallout and starship troopers
I’m doing my part!
THIS video was the sole reason why I first watched and subscribed to your channel. I know it’s probably asking a lot, but would it be possible to do an in-depth look at ALL the chapters of The Brotherhood of Steel???
Also did anyone tell you that your voice is incredibly reminiscent of Paladin Danse???
I would love to do a video on that! Also, you are the first to point out my likeness to Danse. Thanks for the compliment!
A Tech Advantage is a Tech Advantage, simple as. That plus their exceedingly disciplined training regimine is just nie-unstoppable. Even when outnumbered and overwhelmed to total defeat by the NCR, their war left a festering wound of hypermilitarism that is slowly killing it.
I can say the same about the enclave
@@meruthesuccubus3416 Unfortunately for them, The Enclave got on the bad side of a Protagonist.
Love the Starship Troopers music in the background
Great video as always!
Thanks Brian! Glad to see you again!
@@theneocypher I try to watch the videos as soon as they come out, but I’m a fire fighter in real life so I don’t always have time lol 😂
Relatable lol
My thoughts exactly. This is why the fallout year 2300 dnd campaign I’m planning will feature a war between Caesar’s legion and the brotherhood of steel for the entirety of America
That sounds so cool!
While that sounds like a neat idea, it ignores that the NCR basically destroyed the BoS. The Battle of Helios One essentially ended all hopes the BoS had for any kind of offensive action.
@@LAHFaust it’s legion covering the western half of the country (including the brotherhood and ncr’s old territory) versus the fallout 4 brotherhood expanding over the eastern half of the country
@@LAHFaustmidwestern brotherhood of steel is still a thing as far as I’m aware and they’re hardcore too.
@@god4143 Midwest BoS was never canon, and when he said Legion vs BoS I immediately thought West.
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It would take the whole prydwen ship to fall on liberty prime to destroy it or concentrated artillery fire on one spot of liberty prime.
Unfortunately for all factions to take the region you need hearts and minds. The minutemen has the hearts and mines of the people. They have artillery and constant supply of resources, recruits, participants, and each settlement is well defended. And most of all plot armour and the sole survivor. The minutemen cannot be destroyed in game nor ideologically.
The brotherhood needs supplies from the settlements and they will take it by force. The prydwen is permanently stationed due to Manson rushing towards the commonwealth which fried lot of the components. The prydwen explosion can destroy liberty prime since the explosion is far greater than the tactical nukes.
Power armour and advanced weaponry and training is good and all but remember they’re fighting on someone else turf who knows they’re way around and the wasteland shape them. So basically lot of organised ambushes and skirmishes. Besides without appropriate leadership no faction can survive ( the prydwen destruction will kill maxson and lancer captainskells ).
The minutemen heldout against the gunners who had military training, advanced weapons,armor, outnumbered, outgunned them. Yet they held out without reinforcements and were only defeated by one traitor who gave them access to the bridge.
They know they’re weak hence why they’re smart. They always solve their problems head on and finish one go. A raider gang causing problems. Wipe them out. Institute being disrupting settlement prosperity by raiding and damaging infrastructure. Blow up their reactor. They exploit weaknesses.
They’re weakness is that they spread themselves way too thin. Especially when they’re rebuilding.
The new table top rpg called winter of atom ( very well written and ties lot of problems fans had with fallout 4 lore and immersion ) released by Bethesda and Modiphus explains that lot of people died, some went outside of the commonwealth and some joined the cult or raiders to survive the winter ( a snowy winter. It hadn’t snowed for 200 years they weren’t prepared for it ).
In short I believed the minutemen gonna win for hearts and minds and that they have territorial and regional advantage they can always rebuild. Plus those artillery hurt like those orbital tactical nukes from 3 if not more. Those shredded throw power armour and can take down the prydwen which takes down liberty prime patrolling or stationary.
@@patrickiamonfire965 this only works if you decide to add the sole survivor into the equation on the minutemens side. Without the sole survivor, Preston would have had to lead a couple of civilians through a horde of Raiders and a deathclaw solo. With lack of sole survivor involvement, I'd give it to the brotherhood of steel. Best case scenario they don't have to lift a finger because the minutemen don't even exist by the time they arrive, worst case scenario they have to circle strafe a couple of settlements with vertibirds and then go get a beer by 8:00.
@@tzimiscelord8483He would and he would have won.The guy not an idiot or incompetent. He didn't even plan to become a leader. Every faction requires good leaders. This is a fact in Irl too. Sturges was the one with reactor detonation plan, Sturgis, Ronnie Shaw and Preston were the ones for Artillery bombardment plan. These people collaborate with each other to achieve the goal.
True without Sole survivor the minutemen rebuilding hard and long but not impossible. I will agree with your statement without the sole survivor involvement the brotherhood would have succeed exceept they wouldn't be able to find the institute Who would use espionage and guerilla tactics with high sucee. Liberty Prime would have been very delayed because of that Dr. They would have never found out about teleportation nor the location because of Kellog memories. They wouldn't have those generators preventing teleportation due to not knowing about it through rumors or through the contraption the sole survivor made.
You dropped this 👑
@@patrickiamonfire965 There's a difference between being an idiot or incompetent and being able to kill a large group of raiders and a deathclaw solo. If he could have done it himself he would have and you'd find him at sanctuary after walking the fuck away lol
I love the synth flash when Mayor McDonough is mentioned
Throwing in the Starship Troopers music definitely made the Brotherhood more badass
Great Video, honestly one of the best fallout “analysis” videos I’ve seen
Thank you so much!
Against the returning Enclave the New Brotherhood a mix of the old that survived like lost hills and the new who changed to adapt and survive a changed world may be the only ones who can stop them. Over half of the Us military would be in over 50 country's. Spread out with better technology and more forces. Many would be safe from the war. The Enclave planning well before the war would take in these trapped and isolated forces, annex and survive. The main Enclave force would be over 90% of the Enclave. The more radical and die hard being cut off on the oil rigg with a very small military.
If we look at real life bases and ally's of the US before the timelines diverged the Enclave is a very real still and a very powerful threat. The numbers being possibly greater then the Brotherhood and heavy troops of the crumbling NCR combined. The technology would have some surprises but be greatly inferior to the isolated small faction of scientist, politicians and figure heads on the Oil Rig. using technology only just above what the Brotherhood has because of maintenance and limitations of weaponry found outside the major powers.
We also are not even considering how that could all be true but with the main force of the Enclave being in annexed Canada, reaching out and taking in what trapped and isolated forces it can from numerous cut off bases around the World.
I get the impression that fallout USA basically lost all its allies through a combination of committing actions so heinous nobody wanted to ally them and their allies just flat out getting themselves destroyed (the european commonwealth fighting the middle east). I'd expect the enclave is only really around in Chicago and maybe Canada, Mexico and parts of the south (namely areas far south of the capital wasteland so as to avoid BOS detection).
To hell with Maxson.
*Iron protectors, heads held high - Lyons' Pride will never die!*
Watching this again just because its that good!
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More brotherhood videos please!
Wonder how this chapter of the Brotherhood would fare against the NCR
If the confrontation was in 2287, I could see either one winning. However, by the time of a realistic war between them, I think the NCR would be able to take the advantage. They'd likely be much larger and have more control over their territory, and begin to adopt ultra-modern technology in large amounts. However, just like the NCR-Brotherhood War, the NCR has the advantage of manpower. The Brotherhood always has and always will rely on a relatively small force of ultra-elite high tech units, which while 1 for 1 would make easy work of any NCR unit, even a ranger, would never happen, just based on manpower differences.
Basically, the NCR is a nation, and the BOS is an army. Armies don't win wars, nations do, at least in modern times.
Let’s not forget that the east coast BoS looks great simply because the entire east coast seems like it’s populated with borderline slug-people who can’t figure out the most basic aspects of civilisation and organisation after 200+ years.
Very easy to look good when everyone else around you would lose to a goldfish in an IQ contest.
@@WickedMappingIthink the BOS here they have the advantage and even. Ore if it is a defensive warfare. Also unlike western BOS that they traded with independent settlements now we have BOS settlements loyal to them and an industry to back up their war efforts. Not only that but they have a larger manpower pool they have a far veteran pool to use them as instructors. In a defensive war the BOS can use their heavy equipment to their advantage as the power armor brings more defense and the vertibirds will allow to form quick reaction forces to reinforce their position and provide fire support from the air.
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The NCR has artillery (Sierra Army Depot Howitzers) which would MASSACRE BoS PA units. Not to mention that, if we're setting this after New Vegas and the Dam, the NCR has more than enough experience dealing with PA threats.
The NCR also has veteran forces because it's been expanding rapidly and fighting pretty much non-stop since Kimball was made President. The war would go down to industry, which the NCR beats the BoS in every field.
Damn that Starship Troopers "Klendathu Drop" fits great in the Intro
class of a video keep it up
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Caesar's Legion is my number 1, but I do have a spot for the Brotherhood of Steel 🤘💀
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They’re dudes in power armor the only time they didn’t win was when other guys just mogged them, it was terrible, the rare sad Victoric L. Rest in lost hills tin men 😔✊ a courier gotta know the house always win💯
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id like to see if primes new body could take on a full sprint or jump
Amusingly, I was playing as them in HOI4 mod Old World Blues (Lost Hills) supporting various chapters across America.
Though unfortunately Lyon's Expedition is beaten by mutants and forced into hiding.
Keep up the great work
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Ahh, the Railroad. So misguided, helping synthetics masquerading as humans escape to infiltrate humanity, to debase it, to defile it. I remember keenly the day me and the boys descended on it. I'd infiltrated earlier, found the entrances, exits, appraised the strengths and weaknesses. We mined the secret exit and went in the main entrance full on. Full power armor, grenades, flame units, and all the righteous fury we could muster.
The clatter of small arms against power armor is a thing to experience, as is the terror in the eyes of these machine hugging terrorists. We cleansed that place, lobbing grenades ahead of us to smash their formations and burst ear drums, then went in stitching the area with mini-gun fire and liquid napalm. Those that ran rushed into the mined exit. The few who made it out met my brothers waiting, and were gunned down on the spot. No more infiltrators of man will go through that rat cellar.
The stench of burning flesh is not just something you get used to, but something you begin to associate with victory.
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Loved killing those fuckers.
Liberty Laser...absolutely love it
Love the intro. Starship Troopers theme was a good choice.
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Love it long live Elder Maxson
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There's two approaches to this topic, and in neither one I see the BoS winning in the Commonwealth: if we consider what happens when taking the Sole Survivor out of the equation, and if we consider what happens when we do consider the Sole Survivor's potential involvement. The later is far more subjective, since he can side with any of the 4 factions, potentially destroying both the Institute and the BoS, in the same play-through too, so I think the former can give us a more objective view of how things would work more strictly by the merits of each faction.
-In the such scenario Kellogg would must likely fill the role of the Sole Survivor and complete the tasks the Institute needs for them, while the BoS would miss on key aspects such as getting data straight from the Institute (network scanner holotype) or having access to Dr Li (Professor Scara can be a substitute, but again, without the SS the BoS would already be lagging behind in the reconstruction of Liberty Prime).
-There's also the case of the Battle of Bunker Hill, where if the SS notified the RR and BoS of the mission, he will be friendly to all parties fighting out. If at that point you decide to just watch how the battle turns out, the Institute will always win, due to the courser leading the attack, which again gives us a good idea of how things play out without the SS in the equation.
-With their nuclear reactor online, the Institute would get a huge advantage, since any restriction previously in place due to energy concerns would now be void. While not reflected in the game, we are told that this would translate into free usage of the molecular relay (previously restricted due to high energy cost), but more importantly, in the option to increase synth production or focus on improved weapon development. Within the Institute we see that at one point they were also working on developing better plasma weapons (Experiment 18-A), so that seems like a good educated guess on where the weapon option would have led.
There are also some weird points you make, such as "air superiority": are you suggesting that air transportation is better than teleportation? Or that being able to shot enemies from a Vertibird is more advantageous than being able to teleport to any kind of hard to reach locations to shoot enemies from. Not to mention that the Vertibirds themselves can be quite the "fragile" target that can take out its entire crew with it when running into a location with lots of hostiles, even if lightly armed.
On matters such as training, I think the Institute also wins since any improvement on combat tactics can be simply given to the synths of all generations as updates (we are told through the terminals at Robotics that one such software upgrade is given to 3rd gen synths to improve their gun accuracy across the board). Not to mention that when you actually look into it, many of the BoS soldiers aren't even using Power Armor, but combat armor, if not something lesser such as scribe armor, making them easy pickings.
But the BoS biggest weakness is the Prydwen, which is such a vulnerable target, either form the outside with artillery, if not a powerful energy weapons like Liberty Prime's head laser, not to mention the possibility of boarding it and blowing it form the inside. Making matters worse is that the Prydwen is already at risk of being forced to land due to a insufficient coolant reserves, making it a sitting duck at its location at the airport, one where when shot down, takes down the rest of the BoS forces on the airport with it. In fact, the airport is left in such a terrible state, that after the end of the main game, the brotherhood remnants will wipe out the gunners at Vault 75 and use it as their new base of operations.
Lastly, if the BoS losses the Prydwen, Maxson and even liberty Prime, I doubt the BoS at the Capital Wasteland would be able to scrape resources to launch another offensive anywhere close in equipment and personnel to Maxson's, not to mention that any successor's to Maxson may see the later's failure (and the costs of that failure) as sign that his way was wrong and may even try to backpedal to Lyons way of doing things instead. We also have the example of the Mojave chapter that after facing a terrible defeat went instead into hiding, so even a supporter of Maxson might simply chose not to try to face the enemy that took their elder and their greatest military assets with their now signifcantly diminished forces. And by that time they may be able to do so, the Institute would have further grown in power by no longer being limited by their energy supplies, nor needing act from the shadows, while earning popular support by helping preserve order with synths guarding the checkpoints.
This a pretty great speculation, well done, Tbh when I think Canon wise on the faction the Sole Survivor pick, it would have to be the Minutemen
Realistically the Institute absolutely stomps the Brotherhood. Liberty Prime never gets off the ground without Sole Survivor intervention. The Prydwen can support like 8-10 Vertibirds at most, and they're a non-renewable resource with the institute being one of the few factions that's readily capable of shooting them down. We know from the Danse subplot that the Institute has already infiltrated the brotherhood and likely has all of the strategic info they do. Power Armor doesn't exactly grow on trees either making the (extremely generous estimate) 20-30 Knights the Prydwen could realistically support yet another non-renewable resource relative to the institutes printable synths.
this is intersting but i beleve the bos would win, most of the weakness in brotherhood of steel in game are more game mechanics than lore if you want a more accurate depiction of how fighting the bos would go download some assembly aquired its more lore like of how power armor is
next point teleportation is clearly not that usful since they cant just teleport to the room with the berillium agitator after finding out where it is and the bos in fallout 4 have tech that cancels out the institutes ability to teleport in the airport or the fact that a minigun and missle on the vertibird will out gun anything the institute have, and like i said earlier vertibirds are weak for gameplay reasons not in lore.
about training simulations of combat will never be as good as in person experience which the brother hood have and the institute only have data of wastelanders and gunners who are clearly not that trained well by the fact bos also can wipe them out at mass fusion, the brotherhood vets actually already faced a far more advance foe tho mostly with help with the wanderer they defeated,
also their is no way the bos left washigton with the majority of their forces you can infer that more brother hood of steel soldiers show up after they arrive throught the game by the fact that you see far more verti birds ingame then when you first see them arrive.
also by playing the insitute story you see that the brotherhood only needs SS for the berylium agitator which the institute also needs sos in order to get it. so the question is who gets the berylium agitator in mass fusion
the only thing the institute have over the brotherhood of steel are coursers which at first seem like a insta win, but then you realize in universe where a courser can react faster than a man , have programed tactics would mean a insta kill headshot which is insanly deadly, but five star paladins in power armor would be protected and experienced enough to take down a courser which i remind you the institue dont have a lot of. coursers are deadly but its not like theyre bullet proof more like they need less time to head shot somebody which power armor would protect you from
another thing kellog is not equal to SS vergil state that a courser isnt too much of a leap from kellog which states that kellog is weaker,
and the fact that courser where not sent to get vergil instead of kellogg means one of 2 things one, they are not good at tracking non bugged things liked escaped synths 2, they so few that a priority target like vergil couldnt be taking care of,
@@azzubairfaruq3124 the vertibirds being weak is also in lore, 90% of the people flying arent even trained and have had like a 1 day course at most
Without Dr. Li the Brotherhood has an alternative option to recruit Doctor Dara from the science center of Diamond City,which happens if you kill Dr. Li or are enemies with the Institute.
The courser wins the fight in the Battle of Bunker Hill because he's essential,which is not a thing in lore.
The vertibirds do easily go down,yes,but again,that's a game mechanic,not a thing in lore.
Other than that,i think the third person to reply to your comment made good points,but your post also does make some good points,well done
amazing video as always. True to Caesar
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Like your videos can see the Shoddycast vibes good job on that. Legion Storyteller? Haha
You make good points, but if you are speaking without player control, then the institute would wipe the brotherhood.
1. The institute would have the beryllium agitator way before the brotherhood shows up. The only reason they wait is because the father wants the player to grab it to prove themselves to the institute.
2. You may say, how would the institute deactivate the magnetic field? They would use kellog (or a courser) who is arguably the most capable man in the commonwealth.
3. The institute would only grow in power. Even if the bos fully invade the commonwealth to avenge their fallen elder, they would just lose the war of attrition because they would have no way of getting to the institute. So the bos would just continue to take casualty after causality until they admit defeat and run home to the capital wasteland
Actually the institute would probably be way behind without the player character. Without the player there isn't a shawn
@Sebastian March there would be a Shaun because the player character would either be dead or still frozen in cryo Stasis. You don't need to erase the sole survior to speak on a scenario in which they don't make an impact
There’s also the railroad, some how they can destroy a blimp with their 10-13 members. And the minutemen have is real chance to kill the brotherhood, because they don’t expect artillery to attack them
The beryllium agigator is a moot point because it depends entirely on the player who gets it. The institute only started becoming concerned of the power issues once BoS arrived & even by then, Institute finished their reactor only recently.
@batboy11k81 the railroad only destroy the bos because the bos aren't all that intelligent outside a few key nembers
Me watching this 0.1 seconds after i self destruct the brotherhood of steel bunker in New vegas
Is it because they have power armor? Yes, it’s because they have power armor.
awesome, great job
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Ad Victorium!!! For the Brotherhood!!!
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FOR THE BROTHERHOOD
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When I first saw this title I thought it was another fan-gush. but then I watched the tv show and decided there might be something to it after all.
Nice touch around 10:15 with the mayor
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Synth jumpscare
Great presentation! They lose in most of my playthroughs but I like yoyr style.
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Its sad that Bethesda chose to ignore the events of Fallout 1 and 2, the decline of the Brotherhood, and instead made them a centerpiece in their botched quasi-reboot of Fallout in the East Coast
It's because of Fallout tactics, the most often forgotten about fallout game that focused on the BoS, and had them use airships to go much farther east than the Colorado river. It put the brotherhood as a encroaching ever east mega force that became progressively splintered. It basically paved the way and made it a very expected situation for the BoS to appear more and more eastwards and as a ever so slightly different organization. Making ironically how they are in 3 a fault that can't be blamed on Bethesda and instead just a snowball that was already rolling. To pound it home more... You played as the BoS, you WERE the BoS, and this was all pre Bethesda taking over the franchise.
@@dragooons176 I thought that game was retconned
@@Jacob-vc4ok quasi-retconned. They make a lot of references to it, but it technically isn't canon. For example it is canon that there is a Midwest brotherhood that flew in on an airship
@@dragooons176wish they would remake tactics and storyline in a fist person game
Love that starship troopers music
this guys voice actually sounds like itd fit in with fallout. i love it
(almost like ukulele lion man but less salty, unscorched and not as amplified)
4:58 he headshots a brotherhood knight
He never saw it coming
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10/10 content. Subbed already, and I’ve only watched one video. Ave, true to Caesar.
Thank you so much! Ave Amicus!