I like GPD because they are making devices other companies don't care about. They serve a purpose in the market and challenge the limitations of technology. I just hope they will continue to do so and don't get too greedy. I just backed the project to support them. I have the pocket 1 but I can use more performance and a better keyboard.
Not to mention they keep updating the products. All of the other big guys take 2 years to "update" their machines with the exact same specs and some more RGB for 600 more dollars than the last model.
Thanks Phawx, you're honestly the best person GPD could give their prototypes to, you actually analyse and report on everything we want to know a out them! Thanks!! :)
I would love to see reviews of micro PC which shows much you can do with the different ports. How many devices can it power? What sort of hubs can it support? How many screens through the USB-C, and can you run other devices through the C when doing so? That sort of stuff. Even if it is a theoretical run down, that would still be nice to see it explained.
Man you are the best reviewer for these devices out there... The Pocket 1 let me down in several areas... Battery life (2-3 hours) and standy, performance (atom + emmc), fan noise and heat (even if there is an app to stop it (but then it's even slower and hotter), including overcharging, keyboard, poor wifi range (had to use a usb wifi card, which kills the only USB port...) This one is improved but still a few deal breakers... No SSD, no display out while using the charger... Still, I wonder if and how is battery life improved, and especially stand-by draining,. Waiting for your full review... Also, can you do benchmarks with the fan switched off (geekbench or even cinebench)? I would mainly use it without the fan, as I can't stand fan noise. Thanks a lot!
Not to argue, but if you get a usb c hub *with hdmi or display port* that supports usb c pd (pd for power delivery) you can charge and have a external monitor. You can even do so with the pocket 1. ( *EDIT* )
It may be your power supply that's at fault. I am in UK and the supplied charger could only supply 2.5A rather than 3.0A that the original US charger has. With the 2.5A charger I had all sorts of problems with USB devices. I bought an aftermarket charger and it is much better (although still some USB devices intermittently fail to be detected).
My hub has as PD and 65W. My original charger has not 3A but it does PD at 24W when the device is on, which should be more than enough. Never had a charging issue, the issue is display out that seems disabled over USB C
You do realize that the pocket 2 has almost twice as much battery capacity than the pocket 1 and therfore runs longer not "a tiny bit less" (3:55)? (note Capacity is measured in Wh=V*Ah ;-)
If you have a Win2, is there really a "need" for this? Other than the better keyboard I think I can squeeze far better performance with the Win2. Also, the Win2 can drive 2 monitors thanks to its micro HDMI and usb-C, that might've been a miss here.
jose carranza Well no, but that's the thing. This is aimed at a completely different market, it's for people who use UMPCs and it's not likely for them to have the Win series of GPD.
There's a reason why GPD are running two UMPC product lines at the same time. The Win line is for people who want portable PC gaming on the go, but also want or need the usual PC amenities like a keyboard and mouse pointer for doing other stuff (or for MMO gaming). The Pocket line is strictly for people who need a tiny device with a somewhat touch-typable keyboard and aren't meant for gaming at all (though that won't stop some people from gaming on it from time to time anyway lol). It's more of a work device than the Win line or even a media consumption device on account of its bigger and higher resolution screen.
It really depends on what you're trying to do. You cannot squeeze far better performance with the Win 2; the CPU and GPU in this machine are almost three times faster. ETA: huh; apparently there's been a hardware update on the Win 2 since the last time I looked and now the Pocket 2 has the same hardware. So if you have the latest Win 2, it should be exactly the same.
I have to just provide some feedback on the issue of your presentations. I...love...them. I am a “Stats/ActualVsPercievedUsage/MusicalScientist.” I come specifically to your channel...because I am fully aware that you have not only completed you “Due Diligence” you also “Hindmindedly” display true gratitude to the providers of any said product ie; “...Came to us from GPD...Thank You for trusting us with this...” and you...as well I know...that is a rarity in the “Tech Review & Implementing Thereof.” Well Done...and please...feel free to review the “Epson BT-3000” smart DUAL ocular glasses...as I am currently working on a project with the the team. Respectfully, TS
These are both interesting little devices but they are way too expensive for what they are. The GPD Pocket 2 is still £450 two years later. I could get a decent small Chromebook with better specs in every respect for two thirds of that and all the recent ones run Linux as well as Chrome OS and run Android apps as well so are very flexible.
Kinda redundant given the USB-C port already allows for display-output and an MST-hub will let you get more than one connection out of it too. Plus, this now gives them room for a second USB-A port.
I guess that's true on my win2 id use a second usb for another flash drive over a hdmi monitor. and with the lack of a ssd like the win2 it gives more space
devilsdante devilsdante thanks. I see what you did there, Win will win. :) Any chance to know how diffrent is the performance? I would like to see another video comparing the performance of both devices. Thanks for the great content Phawx
Shadi Al-Ahmadi I never really understood the point of the pocket. OK it's a pocket pc, maybe to work. But the keyboard is not good for working, the screen is small (I would never develop code on that, with that keyboard), and it's more expensive! At least the first was compared to the gpd win 1. I think the win 2 is better overall, as I don't see real usage for the pocket.
I used to be a huge fan of micro laptops. Before the smartphone age, I used to have a HP Jornada 720 and a FSC P1120 and loved to tinker around with them. I still have the latter. But even I struggle to justify the Pocket 2's existance. Why would anybody chose it over a tablet with a detachable keyboard, especially at that price?
That depends. If you want a mobile computer to jot down ideas and do basic work? Or if you want to play games. The pocket has a better work feel, and the Win has boosted gaming power with the built in controller
Hey the phawx big fan here, do you think this sagement of devices is going to grow up specially gpd win 2 etcetera, I am considering one but maulybe next gen I have been eying the switch for long but building a whole new library of games is not cheap. And what about arm processors do they have a future in emulating steam games
khaled Al Rashidi GPD seem to be very interested in targeting the UMPC space and I think it's a safe bet to see a Win3. I don't see ARM for Windows happening until 2020 with regard to performance.
Phawx could give a better answer, but my input is that you should honestly really only consider a Swiitch if you're really into Nintendo's games. If you really only want a Swiitch to play multiplatform games on the go, even the Win 2 will almost always give you a better experience (only exceptions are terrible ports like Atelier Lydie and Suelle) and it'd be more portable as well. In terms of growth of "this segment of devices", if we're talking specifically about devices like the Win and Win 2 that have gaming controls and have keyboard, there's really one device coming that's similar. That would be the Dragonbox Pyra, but considering it's running off a really old ARM chip, it's not a true competitor to the Win line and really just belongs in its own tiny niche. If we're just talking about Windows gaming devices in general....still no. There's several potential "competitors" floating around, but none of them are anywhere close to be ready and two of them (PGS and Smach Z) are basically just scams. As for ARM..............maybe in 2-3 years. ARM CPUs just aren't fast enough to effectively emulate our modern complex games. Preferably devs would begin porting their games to ARM architecture, but we all know that ain't gonna happen. Honestly, the only way I can see Windows 10 on ARM gaming could ever begin to be somewhat viable is if NVIDIA starts making mobile versions of their Tegra SoCs again. My dream is for NVIDIA to make a new Shield Portable with whatever their newest Tegra is, and can dual boot Windows 10 ARM and Android. And of course, it should have a keyboard as well.
Arthran this reply makes me take a bow to you sir. You are absolutely right I never owned nintendo console except game boy advance 25 years ago to play pokemon. Console games are very expensive and we rarely see good prices on them to be honest. Playing skyrim on switch to continue on my laptop is priceless in my opinion don't forget steam share I have like 500 games already on my steam share and personally spent over 3000 usd on my library so far. Buying the game twice and progressing differently is not worth it
I love everything about GPD Pocket 2 except for 1 thing - HUGE BEZEL! The screen is already small to begin with, added with bazel, it's probably less than 6 inches. Hope they make this improvement on GPD Pocket 3 - I would definitely buy it. EDITED: The screen is 7 inches but could be bigger without the bezel.
Agreed, they could make it 8" and still pocketable by going 16:9 instead of 16:10. The keyboard would have benefited too of some more room. That's one of the main reasons I will probably not upgrade from the GPD 1. The screen on my HP stream 8 looks so much more usable (even at its lower resolution)
Newer Intel parts should include thunderbolt 3 IC directly on newer SoC. In addition they should be royalty free. But 7Y30 doesn't have it included on the SoC.
Quick recap: GPD Pocket 1 sucked badly in productivity due to productivity being directly related to the quality of the input devices. GPD Pocket 2 decided to suck even more, by removing trackpoint and further destroying it's keyboard layout. I got GPD WIN 2 instead. I don't play games, bought it for work. This is how incredibly bad Pocket 1/2 is for it's intended use. While WIN significantly improved in second revision, Pocket definitely took a step back. No one cares what sort of performance is inside, if the bottleneck in the input/output department.
In what way do you find the keyboard on the Win 2 superior to that of the Pocket 1? It's basically a mobile phone keyboard from the clamshell style dumbphones of the past, hardly ideal for typing documents.
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I like GPD because they are making devices other companies don't care about. They serve a purpose in the market and challenge the limitations of technology. I just hope they will continue to do so and don't get too greedy.
I just backed the project to support them. I have the pocket 1 but I can use more performance and a better keyboard.
I supported them when P1 came out, but we had a lot of problems with the first batch production. Now I am gonna wait till they fix all the issues
Not to mention they keep updating the products. All of the other big guys take 2 years to "update" their machines with the exact same specs and some more RGB for 600 more dollars than the last model.
pricewise they are already greedy, i get the economy of scale but the price is high.
Thanks Phawx, you're honestly the best person GPD could give their prototypes to, you actually analyse and report on everything we want to know a out them! Thanks!! :)
Agree. Clearer explanation and detailed info. Much better than some drama queens from other channels
That thunder made me jump to the window, it sounded that good ;)
I'd love a comparison to the surface go
I would love to see reviews of micro PC which shows much you can do with the different ports. How many devices can it power? What sort of hubs can it support? How many screens through the USB-C, and can you run other devices through the C when doing so? That sort of stuff. Even if it is a theoretical run down, that would still be nice to see it explained.
Most of this stuff was already on the list. But I'll add the "how many USB devices can it support with power" to the list
Thanks! :-D
I have been waiting for this! :)
Man you are the best reviewer for these devices out there...
The Pocket 1 let me down in several areas... Battery life (2-3 hours) and standy, performance (atom + emmc), fan noise and heat (even if there is an app to stop it (but then it's even slower and hotter), including overcharging, keyboard, poor wifi range (had to use a usb wifi card, which kills the only USB port...)
This one is improved but still a few deal breakers... No SSD, no display out while using the charger...
Still, I wonder if and how is battery life improved, and especially stand-by draining,. Waiting for your full review...
Also, can you do benchmarks with the fan switched off (geekbench or even cinebench)? I would mainly use it without the fan, as I can't stand fan noise.
Thanks a lot!
Not to argue, but if you get a usb c hub *with hdmi or display port* that supports usb c pd (pd for power delivery) you can charge and have a external monitor. You can even do so with the pocket 1. ( *EDIT* )
Nodus agreed. I do this with my Pocket 1
display via usb c has never worked on my Pocket 1... maybe it's just some units...
It may be your power supply that's at fault. I am in UK and the supplied charger could only supply 2.5A rather than 3.0A that the original US charger has. With the 2.5A charger I had all sorts of problems with USB devices. I bought an aftermarket charger and it is much better (although still some USB devices intermittently fail to be detected).
My hub has as PD and 65W. My original charger has not 3A but it does PD at 24W when the device is on, which should be more than enough. Never had a charging issue, the issue is display out that seems disabled over USB C
Can you say something about the keyboard? Has it been improved?
- edit - The old keyboard sometimes missed the input or did double strokes.
You do realize that the pocket 2 has almost twice as much battery capacity than the pocket 1 and therfore runs longer not "a tiny bit less" (3:55)? (note Capacity is measured in Wh=V*Ah ;-)
If you have a Win2, is there really a "need" for this? Other than the better keyboard I think I can squeeze far better performance with the Win2. Also, the Win2 can drive 2 monitors thanks to its micro HDMI and usb-C, that might've been a miss here.
jose carranza If you have the Win2, no you really don't need this device.
jose carranza Well no, but that's the thing.
This is aimed at a completely different market, it's for people who use UMPCs and it's not likely for them to have the Win series of GPD.
There's a reason why GPD are running two UMPC product lines at the same time. The Win line is for people who want portable PC gaming on the go, but also want or need the usual PC amenities like a keyboard and mouse pointer for doing other stuff (or for MMO gaming). The Pocket line is strictly for people who need a tiny device with a somewhat touch-typable keyboard and aren't meant for gaming at all (though that won't stop some people from gaming on it from time to time anyway lol). It's more of a work device than the Win line or even a media consumption device on account of its bigger and higher resolution screen.
It really depends on what you're trying to do. You cannot squeeze far better performance with the Win 2; the CPU and GPU in this machine are almost three times faster. ETA: huh; apparently there's been a hardware update on the Win 2 since the last time I looked and now the Pocket 2 has the same hardware. So if you have the latest Win 2, it should be exactly the same.
No trackpad is a deal breaker for me. Which is a shame, all this wait for pocket 2 and now I'll have to hunt pocket 1 instead.
I bought a new iPhone with it I stick the apple sticker at the back for a mac look
Would you recommend buying a pocket 2?
I have to just provide some feedback on the issue of your presentations. I...love...them. I am a “Stats/ActualVsPercievedUsage/MusicalScientist.” I come specifically to your channel...because I am fully aware that you have not only completed you “Due Diligence” you also “Hindmindedly” display true gratitude to the providers of any said product ie; “...Came to us from GPD...Thank You for trusting us with this...” and you...as well I know...that is a rarity in the “Tech Review & Implementing Thereof.” Well Done...and please...feel free to review the “Epson BT-3000” smart DUAL ocular glasses...as I am currently working on a project with the the team. Respectfully, TS
You said there is a tablet with the same body that rotates to 180 degrees? Which tablet is that?
April Rose Velarde yes I just bought one thanks
One mix 2s
These are both interesting little devices but they are way too expensive for what they are. The GPD Pocket 2 is still £450 two years later. I could get a decent small Chromebook with better specs in every respect for two thirds of that and all the recent ones run Linux as well as Chrome OS and run Android apps as well so are very flexible.
not a big change
Agree. Battery was shit in 1. Didn't end up using that much because of that. Hope this can fix it!
I took the mini HDMI away why
Kinda redundant given the USB-C port already allows for display-output and an MST-hub will let you get more than one connection out of it too. Plus, this now gives them room for a second USB-A port.
I guess that's true on my win2 id use a second usb for another flash drive over a hdmi monitor. and with the lack of a ssd like the win2 it gives more space
Were i can buy second model?
then?
Where is the mouse pointer?
roges12344 there is a new nub on the top right on the keyboard
Is the ram underclocked like its predecessor
Pocket 2 vs Win 2
Which one will give you better gaming performance?
Shadi Al-Ahmadi Win 2
Shadi Al-Ahmadi pocket 2 is not for gaming. Win 2 will win.
devilsdante devilsdante thanks. I see what you did there, Win will win. :)
Any chance to know how diffrent is the performance?
I would like to see another video comparing the performance of both devices.
Thanks for the great content Phawx
Shadi Al-Ahmadi I never really understood the point of the pocket. OK it's a pocket pc, maybe to work. But the keyboard is not good for working, the screen is small (I would never develop code on that, with that keyboard), and it's more expensive! At least the first was compared to the gpd win 1. I think the win 2 is better overall, as I don't see real usage for the pocket.
Both good but win 2 has game pad while pocket 2 required USB game controller
Is there a GPD pocket 2 camera in it?
unfortunately not
下午好。 袖珍gpd 1 开启后，在显示 gpd 标志后，屏幕变为空白。 如何解决？
Will there be an azerty layout for the pocket 2 too?
on the 2 is it a lot quieter than the 1?
I want one!
How does the keyboard feels?
What about pocket 2 and win 2 is it performance better ?
Is the charging messed up?
Could you please run hackintosh in the Pocket 2 ?
I used to be a huge fan of micro laptops. Before the smartphone age, I used to have a HP Jornada 720 and a FSC P1120 and loved to tinker around with them. I still have the latter. But even I struggle to justify the Pocket 2's existance. Why would anybody chose it over a tablet with a detachable keyboard, especially at that price?
I would! I love a small laptop and a unified keyboard. I can touch type and I have small hands, so the GPD Pockets are perfect for me.
Good. However, why there is no 256 gb???
And do you have prototype for GPD pocket 2 while the track pad is fixed on the half back on battery side .
What should i get, GPD Win 2 or Pocket 2 ? they have the same specs
That depends. If you want a mobile computer to jot down ideas and do basic work? Or if you want to play games. The pocket has a better work feel, and the Win has boosted gaming power with the built in controller
Hey the phawx big fan here, do you think this sagement of devices is going to grow up specially gpd win 2 etcetera, I am considering one but maulybe next gen I have been eying the switch for long but building a whole new library of games is not cheap.
And what about arm processors do they have a future in emulating steam games
khaled Al Rashidi GPD seem to be very interested in targeting the UMPC space and I think it's a safe bet to see a Win3. I don't see ARM for Windows happening until 2020 with regard to performance.
Phawx could give a better answer, but my input is that you should honestly really only consider a Swiitch if you're really into Nintendo's games. If you really only want a Swiitch to play multiplatform games on the go, even the Win 2 will almost always give you a better experience (only exceptions are terrible ports like Atelier Lydie and Suelle) and it'd be more portable as well.
In terms of growth of "this segment of devices", if we're talking specifically about devices like the Win and Win 2 that have gaming controls and have keyboard, there's really one device coming that's similar. That would be the Dragonbox Pyra, but considering it's running off a really old ARM chip, it's not a true competitor to the Win line and really just belongs in its own tiny niche. If we're just talking about Windows gaming devices in general....still no. There's several potential "competitors" floating around, but none of them are anywhere close to be ready and two of them (PGS and Smach Z) are basically just scams.
As for ARM..............maybe in 2-3 years. ARM CPUs just aren't fast enough to effectively emulate our modern complex games. Preferably devs would begin porting their games to ARM architecture, but we all know that ain't gonna happen. Honestly, the only way I can see Windows 10 on ARM gaming could ever begin to be somewhat viable is if NVIDIA starts making mobile versions of their Tegra SoCs again. My dream is for NVIDIA to make a new Shield Portable with whatever their newest Tegra is, and can dual boot Windows 10 ARM and Android. And of course, it should have a keyboard as well.
Arthran this reply makes me take a bow to you sir.
You are absolutely right I never owned nintendo console except game boy advance 25 years ago to play pokemon.
Console games are very expensive and we rarely see good prices on them to be honest.
Playing skyrim on switch to continue on my laptop is priceless in my opinion don't forget steam share I have like 500 games already on my steam share and personally spent over 3000 usd on my library so far.
Buying the game twice and progressing differently is not worth it
GPD win 2 size comparizon next?
Just paid 230.00 uk for my pocket 2 amber with 8gb ram and 256 ssd
The display is clearly portrait, look at that Windows loading screen
"Gaming"
Could you test monster Hunter world on the gpd2 and on this? Nobody's posting anything related to monster Hunter world on gpds
What do people use these machines for day to day?
nothing
I use mine for task management and time tracking using some custom software designed specifically for it.
I use currently use mine for writing C programs and getting online.
"Optical Illusion" ... how so? lol
What he's saying is technically true but that's the point of contouring, hehe. He mentioned it feels better, but it also shaves weight from the unit.
I don't understand .. sorry but my English is bad. Does it get you the woman?
У GPD Pocket удобный тапчат и внутненностей побольше
I hope they put their brand logo in their units
Would great if you start testing on gaming like pubg, fortnite, bf1
With Apple Logo $1500
Pocket 2 has no "mouse"?
It does. Its at the top right so you can use your thumbs
No m2 ssd slot, like on gpd win2? :C
Only emmc
I love everything about GPD Pocket 2 except for 1 thing - HUGE BEZEL! The screen is already small to begin with, added with bazel, it's probably less than 6 inches. Hope they make this improvement on GPD Pocket 3 - I would definitely buy it.
EDITED: The screen is 7 inches but could be bigger without the bezel.
its a 7 inch screen
Agreed, they could make it 8" and still pocketable by going 16:9 instead of 16:10. The keyboard would have benefited too of some more room. That's one of the main reasons I will probably not upgrade from the GPD 1. The screen on my HP stream 8 looks so much more usable (even at its lower resolution)
Pocket is in the name
@josh - You're right but it could be bigger without the bazel.
@Gilles - I wasn't asking to add the size, I was referring to the bazel on the screen.
No thunderbolt 3 port, why?!
Newer Intel parts should include thunderbolt 3 IC directly on newer SoC. In addition they should be royalty free. But 7Y30 doesn't have it included on the SoC.
Isn't it also a pcie lane limitation too though?
They need better RAM speed... or else it'll be unless, Might as well buy a Win2
Ram speed should be slighty faster than Win2.. imo
Quick recap: GPD Pocket 1 sucked badly in productivity due to productivity being directly related to the quality of the input devices.
GPD Pocket 2 decided to suck even more, by removing trackpoint and further destroying it's keyboard layout.
I got GPD WIN 2 instead. I don't play games, bought it for work.
This is how incredibly bad Pocket 1/2 is for it's intended use.
While WIN significantly improved in second revision, Pocket definitely took a step back.
No one cares what sort of performance is inside, if the bottleneck in the input/output department.
In what way do you find the keyboard on the Win 2 superior to that of the Pocket 1? It's basically a mobile phone keyboard from the clamshell style dumbphones of the past, hardly ideal for typing documents.
WIN2 simply has more keys, placed closer to where you expected them to be.
The Nokia communicator looked better than this 😁
the designer musnt be coder, for Tab key is really too far way
But, where is the mouse pad?