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I tried to make a nonpolitical video about Chinese philosophy and Confucius was like "Nah dog"
😐 I don't get it
谢谢大哥，我是个香港人。加油！我爱你！
cancelled :0
A nonpolitical PhilosophyTube video? Thank God we avoided that fate
🥺 I haven't watched the whole video yet of course but what about Lao Tzu
Nobody thinks of their own society as having a lot of rituals, because when you grow up in it, they are second nature to you.
Autistic people would like to say hello ..
A fish in water sees no water.
Reminds me once when I was talking with a family member about standing for the national anthem with your hand on your heart, and how it was just a patriotic ritual of no real importance. The seemed to be completely offended by the term 'ritual' for that, despite the fact it's literally a ritual.
@@authenticbaguette6673 can confirm...
@@AmunRa1 what I find hilarious on your story is that you called their precious gesture “of no real importance“ and they got hung up on the “ritual“ part...
"The Chinese never had a secular enlightenment, which is why we need to teach them about the greatest Englishman of all time, Jesus"
This is like... Not even all that hyperbolical.... Like, during the height of the British Empire some Brits legit believed they were somehow the descendants of the ten Lost Tribes and Jesus walked on English soil....
Hubert Blastinoff the british are a incredible species to study
@@hubertblastinoff9001 What do you mean with "during the height" as if those people went anywhere? There are still people who sing Jerusalem and mean it.
Well, put people on an island and you get strange results. Look at Japan. :p
@FightPeople Indeed. Quite so.
Kudos to all the old comments calling Abigail a business lesbian lmao
Ohhhhhh! I didn't realize this til now, but my favorite type of Lesbian is Business Lesbian.
😚👌 Aged like fine wine
HAHAHA
Bruh, is one even a lesbian if one is not a business lesbian?
Too bad Abigail is male
Translating Chinese to English can have hilarious consequences. When I was in Beijing I kept seeing adverts with a helpful English translation that read "delicious fungus of milk" and I thought, "mmm that doesn't sound very nice". Later on I realised they were on about yogurt.
@lol ???
they did say it was delicious!
"This product may, upon setup, have child's diseases." It was supposed to be "teething problems"
wait so is fungus and bacteria sorta the same in common (like, non-scientific) chinese? Or is it a poor translation of "fermented"?
@@essie23la no idea
"... and then he died"
This is a very underrated joke that slips by unless you know a little Chinese history. Qin Shi Huang sought immortality, and ended up ingesting several "immortality elixirs" with ingredients like mercury in them, which modern scholars theorize may very likely have cut his life short. F in chat indeed.
mercury did a terrible thing to Voldemort
F
So, similar to Gilgamesh?
The parallels to today are staggering. Inb4 Trump actually injects bleach
"and then he died"
(news of trump getting corona) well that impression has potential
the stolen dictionary gag is funnier than it has any right to be
It really is- I think it's the way he just keeps going as if he'd read a definition 😂
ikr xD
can someone explain ?
@@andromedacowboy I think it is a joke on the fact that some online dictionaries are behind paywalls now
True😭😭😭
All of the business lesbian comments aged like fine wine and i am here for it
😆
abi priddy
@@ashkenazi-auntie correct
@@ashkenazi-auntie Always has been and, likely, always will be.
The Master said:
"The Gentleman is easy of mind while the small man is full of anxiety."
"The Gentleman understands what is moral; The small man understands what is profitable."
I said:
"The man who knows what is moral but is full of anxiety is medium sized."
huh, nice *grows about five inches*
I think this is one of those mis translations Abigail mentioned. It should be read as "The gentleman understands what is moral. The soft dick man understands what is profitable"
@@nelsonmongare9515 Well, that's me, medium sized, moral and pointy.
@@nelsonmongare9515
The concept of a translation that uses “big dick energy” for these concepts has me in stitches!
"I'm full of anxiety, please help me."
Confucius: "But... you're tall..."
"Yes?"
Confucius: "So you're saying you're full of anxiety, but you're also tall..."
The Ji Family's been awfully quiet since this dropped
Top 10 philosophers Ji family was afraid to diss
to be fair they've a little quite for a while now
idk if the are supposed to be the 500bc version of the Lannister or the republicans
@@amellirizarry9503 They give off huge republican vibes to me.
@Nigel1048 I don’t think any spelling using latin letters is older then a century or two
"Fetch me my Lara Croft costume!"
Doesn't dress up as Lara Croft.
I'm disappointed in you, Ollie.
@герой Alexander Antonov hey hey
*+Dreamer* Yeah, it was somewhat to be expected, wasn't it?
I was immediately invested in that. Such a tease.
I was sorely disappointed, but... I prefer to believe that it was ONLY because he doesn't (yet) own one. Hopefully it's foreshadowing!
@@ZijnShayatanica Does it require much? Pretty generic stuff, right? A simple tank top, maybe some toy guns. Perhaps it's the lack of breast tissue and considers balloons are inappropriate?
She should get an Oscar for this year-long performance
It's probably more than a year long performance, she said she only started to write the script for coming out video a year ago
YESSSS
Damn- honestly though
It’s flawlessly smooth
She has worked as an actor too after all, I imagine it came in handy a bit 😸
Honestly looking back at it, IMO it is more obvious that she had begun to transition but at the time I was just like ah cool she has longer hair
Abby: These characters mean "electric" and "brain"
Me: Oh so a computer?
Abby: SMART FLOWING THINKING ELECTRIC MEAT
It's a great demonstration of two very different interpretations of what a computer does and how the language reflects them. It's neat.
That part killed me. I had to pause the video for a good 10 minutes to calm down!
it's 2 am and if i laugh too loudly the neighbours tell me off... this part was an amazing struggle :')
"Electric meat." That's what WE are. Humans.
Exactly
Little bummed Ollie didn’t jump into the scene in a Lara Croft costume.
Expected him to do so
His guns were in the wash
There should be some rule against CZcamsrs promising their viewers a truly magnificent piece of content and failing to deliver it.
Hashtag OllieMakeVideoWithLaraCroftCostumePrettyPlease
Or Larry Croft
Me too
How do you warn someone that you're gonna call them a racist in Parliament?
"Hey Boris, just letting you know dude, I'm about to call you a racist in like 10mins or so. We cool?"
I wish I could like this more than once 😂
I believe you have to warn any other MP if you're about to mention them in Parliament. Usually I think it is something of a formality but probably a bit different if you're planning on calling the Prime Minister a racist.
@@t.read6906 Y'all got civics lessons?? **stares in American**
@@t.read6906 That makes more sense. I had interpreted it as '"if you're going to say something that might be considered incendiary/a personal attack, you have to run it by the person you're targeting". Thanks for the context!
Let it be known, that inside the premises today, in approximately 10 minutes I will call the estimated named a bloody son of a...
Damn, she *is* a good actor.
Like idk if it's just me... but i can kinda tell that it's an act, now that i know
Yes she is ! It must be hard to act like a male even if it's just for the cameras
She is! Congratulations Abigail !!
@@fauzia2157 As she said, it was like going into the trenches
@@phalangelicheathen1792 Yeah it's so interesting, hindsight is 20/20 since now I know what to look for
Imagine having the level of confidence it must have taken to go somewhere public and start talking about Confucius into your phone. This is what I strive for.
If you where born at the time it happened then you wouldn’t think of it.
It doesn’t take confidence, it’s harmless, perfectly legal, uncontroversial, literally nobody cares if you do it.
@@Benjumanjo My guy I feel uncomfortable having a regular conversation in public
"If you set an example by being correct, who would dare to remain incorrect?" Confucius you sweet summer child.
David Cruickshank this passage makes sense when you read a lot more of the Confucian Canon. Just saying that makes the Jordan Peterson joke sting a lot more.
Ned Stark, Ultimate Confucian
This reminds me of the newest Thought Slime video where he talks about how people in the West Wing act when they are confronted with facts and logic.
oh no. What happened to the supreme court, Confucius? What happened to the supreme court??
Bruh the naivity
I went to an Oxford open day for philosophy.
Professor: *talking about the wide variety of philosophy you can study at Oxford*
Chinese student: What about Confucius and Chinese philosophy?
Professor: We don’t do that here.
He said something about Eastern philosophy not being analytical, and closer to spiritualism than Western philosophy, but he sounded almost exactly like the historian character.
That's bizarre. Depending on your university within the United States, you can major solely in Eastern and Chinese Philosophy. Even my junior college has an intro to Eastern Philosophy class then again I am on the west coast where there is a massive Chinese population.
im honestly tired of intro level philosophy being only about the greeks. there's no valid reason for us only to learn about plato & friends other than old white guy not wanting to learn something new about history
Yoo I study Philosophy at Ox and there are lots of student efforts to get Chinese philosophy more talked about - Minorities and Philosophy and People for Women in Philosophy are both active and there was loads of stuff on it last year!!
Excuse you, Sir Nigel Piss has a name, and it isn't "the historian character"
R R R R R RAAAAACISM
The dictionary thief b-plot is fucking gold
refrencing for my own benifit later the B plot time stamps are 04:43 , 07:58 , 17:40 and 20:55
I hope the dictionary thief is doing better
best redemption arc since avatar the last airbender
"Unlike Great Britain, the most ethical country the world has ever known."
It's 7 in the morning and I've already laughed my daily rations.
Country lol
Dear Philosophy Tube,
You claimed you wouldn't make a callout video, yet this video is clearly a Ji Family callout video.
Curious.
Ji Family
please respond
@@TheEvilCheesecake ahaha i read that in the Ian Drivel voice automatically
@@TheEvilCheesecake Ji Family's Philosophy Tube diss track coming up soon
Don't forget Nigel Piss!
@@hangukhiphop Noigel Piss
yew have 24 hours to respond.
"the small man is full of anxiety" ok come for my whole life then
same
felt that, short men rise up
@@augfairweather4530 rise up? Yeah, you'll need that
@@juno6624 hey 😔
It's important to keep in mind that confucius was teaching young bureaucrats and officials.
So it's less about what to do when the elites misbehave and more about why it's important not to misbehave if *you are* the elite.
He taught a lot how to control and limit the power of the higher authority like the king. Many scholars inspried by his teaching (and those of 'Confucian' sages like Mengcius or Xunzi) in the later ages sacrificed their lives to speak truth to power.
Thank you for making this video. As a Chinese native speaker, it’s always interesting to hear western interpretations of our texts. One thing I think we have to keep in mind is that our perception of concepts are often bound by language; for example, some cultures do not see blue as “blue” because they do not have a designated word for that specific range of light wavelengths. Back to the language. The characters, by themselves and without context, usually encompass all or some of the meanings provided by the English translation (while some only stand true if the character is used in combination with other specific characters), and conceptually, we do not necessarily make distinctions between these meanings unless it is specified by the other character(s) it is used in combination with (in other words, “words”). As a result, some of these texts could be easily comprehensible by Chinese speakers, but made more confusing if you look into it as a non-Chinese speaker with a dictionary. It’s especially difficult, I imagine, with ancient Chinese since they tend to be much less elaborative, thus providing even less contexts.
That being said, I’d also like to provide that many progressives in the eastern hemisphere, myself included, despise a lot of Confucius’ ideals; for example, his advocacy for rigid social roles and the mentality to conform to those roles. I personally have much more affinity towards Taoist philosophical ideals, and our culture is shaped by not only Confucianism, but also Taoism, Buddhism, as well as other schools of thoughts (though they have intermingled a bit through history).
The texts aren't any more "comprehensible" by Chinese speakers, just more weaponizable.
👍
Unfortunately, the Communist Revolution decided that most of the old traditions were corrupt and needed to be erased from Chinese society.
Brilliant comment! Thanks so.much for sharing an important explination (if one desires to better understand the relivant contenent and its contex ) from a native Chinese speaker. Much appreciation and limitless positive power, Bellè xXx
I spent a few months in Taiwan as a kid and ever since the difference between how words work and the way that must shape communication and how we perceive the world, has been stuck in my mind. Thank you for this comment, it put my thoughts and assumptions into words and has given me some knowledge to be able to learn more.
If you say “fetch me my Lara Croft costume” in a philosophy tube video and don’t follow through...
Came here to say the same. Ollie in Laura Croft cosplay or GTFO!
@@josselyncool685 I'm 99% sure there will be fan art of this.
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
Absolutely, I’m unsubscribing in protest until my philosophy daddy bends to my fanart dreams
He's wearing it under his suit of course! At least, that's what I tell myself.
Olly: "I don't really think of our society as having a lot of rituals like that"
Me, an autistic: *hysteric laughter but also crying*
The ritual of "asking" how the other person is after a greeting.
Followed by the ritual of answering with a glossy lie about "living the dream" or "doing well"
Oh man, reminds me of Hannah Gadsby's comedy!
As someone with ADHD: seconded.
@@EmmaxHobbits I gave up doing this years ago and I have no regrets.
@@davidshi451 some absolute quality comedy
I love how we're all respecting her pronouns despite the way she had presented at the time, wish there were more communities like this its heartwarming to see!
I actually thought I had misclicked on another channel's video. Amazing what change she was able to make!
I recall she later revealed that (by this point in her life) her appearance as a man when filming was a temporary disguise, and she was living as and looking like a woman the rest of the time.
Are we finally going to see Abi wearing the Lara Croft Outfit then?????!!!!!
Asking the really important questions
In short, Confucius be like:
*everything is on fire and collapsing, people are screaming and running around, theres explosions*
we live in a society
And then killed two guys in a train
The Master said:
Slonk gang weed
Confucius is the dog in the flaming house meme
Everything’s on fire and he’s pouring tea like “everything IIISSSS fine”
Jordan Peterson: "We need a rigid hierarchy, the nuclear family and religion to preserve social order. Here's this book with my 12 teachings."
Confucius: [raising from the grave] "Imma sue ye for plagiarism, mate."
"Declares he'll build a wall and then dies."
... P... P.. prophecy?
100th like hehe
👀
😁🤞🤫
I am from the future. It is indeed a prophecy. Just wait.
@@jakjam300 October the 8th?
The Chinese characters thing made me spit out my tea! I'm learning them at the moment (in Japanese) and there are so many combinations that make you think along those lines before realising that IRON UNDER SOIL is just the subway
I love this so much. I learned one by accident from a character's name: Ryouma: DRAGON HORSE... but it also means just "an excellent, fast horse" colloquially.
地铁 lmaooo "earth iron"
电话 "electric speak"
西瓜 "western melon"
@道德真精 "chika tetsu"or "dixia tielu". But what do you mean, "WTF is subway"?
@@user-nm1ot3ko5fthat does not look very japanese to me
@@user-nm1ot3ko5f I think subway is just metro
Gosh its crazy how often Bitcoin shows up in ancient Chinese texts. So forward thinking!
"Fetch me my Lara Croft costume!"
Cuts to Ollie clearly NOT dressed for Tomb Raiding.
I thought this channel stood for something, maaaaan!
Amen! And all of us sitting here waiting to have our understanding of our own sexualities expanded yet again.... dropping the ball, Ollie. Tsk.
That was immensely disappointing. Some sharp angles would have really brought the video together.
I was really hoping he would have cut to himself in a Lara Croft cosplay, for the giggles
Not even any jodhpurs, disgraceful.
Honestly, I had to take a cold shower after he said that 😅
"Imagine everyone on earth woke up tomorrow 50% more moral."
Mitch McConnell: "Joke's on you, 50% of zero is zero."
You need a thousand likes
@Chris Sears I live in Texas so I can very much sympathize with your pain.
Me: [looking at Schumer and Pelosi] "Shoulda said 50% more competent."
@Chris Sears The facts of McConnell's life are undenyable and they made him the person he is. If you had been in his shoes and had seen the lynching of Clarence Thomas and the slandering of Robert Bork you would have accepted a amoral worldview as well.
@@genericyoutubeaccount579 Cool, because Clarence Thomas got confronted with allegations of sexual assault, and Bork got some mean and probably true shit said about him, Mitch McConnell is fully justified in sitting on some six hundred pieces of legislation duly voted on by the House, and deciding on his own that none are going to go to be debated and voted on by the Senate.
Cool cool, I didn't know it was fine to abolish democracy on the down low like that and let ONE senator decide what is and isnt going to be considered by law. Cool job, Kentucky, good and cool.
2:39 We had hints and we STILL missed it
I'll get my Lara croft costume to search for more Hints...
holy shit lmao
Missed it again just now until you pointed it out.
Goddamn it we are all big dumb idiots.
As if she never wore makeup before she came out? She was pretty open about it.
My transfem gf was saying for like a year ahead that her trans-dar was going off. I would say it's not our place to speculate. I hold to that, but she she's certainly been vindicated.
* the "儒" that means moist is actually 濡. It has the "氵" on the left which usually relates to water. The ”亻“ in 儒 usually refers to things related to people
O H D E A R
How can you relate these ideas though? Is there really no relation, I would guess that they are pointing out to something in common.
@@felooosailing957 ok, i think it is quite common back in the ancient days for people to copy famous works because printers didnt exist. If you wanna read a book, you have to find a copy and copy the entire book down yourself. So its possible for people to write some of the characters wrong, especially when they look similar. This meant that when we decipher ancient chinese text, sometimes, the words arent exactly correct. We actually have to think about any words that look similar and find out the real word that should have been used in the context of that passage. This is why the word 儒 may mean 濡(moist) in the ancient context, because people are mixing the two words as they write.
Looking at the ancient texts, the word 濡 (moist) is already used in this "氵" form during Confucius's era, meaning that this word isnt created in later dynasties. So this reduces the possibility of 儒 having the meaning of moist until later when there is a new word created to mean moist. I would stand by my first explanation that the word 儒 never meant moist, it was only due to errors in copy that created such confusion.
@@felooosailing957 alright, so I was thinking maybe you are asking why the two words look so similar, so I did some further research. The two words originate from the word 需, but in hieroglyphs back then, the word looks like this 雨 (on top) +人 (below). To explain, it looks like rain is falling down onto the person below. This is used to describe someone who just stepped out of the shower (hence water is dripping down like rain) or someone whos sweating a lot. So it's quite easy to understand why 濡 means moist/wet as the word develops.
For 儒, it is slightly more complicated. For that we look at another word, 去 and法. The word originated similar to 雨+人 but this time it is 人(on top)+口(below). In this context, the 人 doesnt just mean a person, but a renowned person, something like a teacher or an official. And the 口 means their words. Combined, it becomes the word 去 which means go, as in going to seek a teacher to ask him for his wisdom. The other word, 法 has a 氵(water sign). The symbolism of water can mean "to follow" or "to listen", since water flows following the shape of their surroundings. Hence, following what the teacher says, 法, means "the law". We obey the law.
Going back to 儒, although the word doesnt have a 氵, the word itself from 需 already has a water element to it. The rain is a form of water, and that wets the entire person from head to toe. Using the symbolism of water, this can mean to follow/listen with your entire heart and soul. Combined with the meaning of 人 as teacher/official, the entire word means following the teacher/official. And later, the word becomes a noun, refering to those teachers and officials who are being followed. Hence the current definition of 儒.
I get the sense that it's much simpler than people think.
It's a pun.
He's Moist because he does the gruntwork of actually managing things instead of sitting in court sipping tea.
Y'know...he's sweaty.
The lack of Eastern thought in Western philosophy courses is a serious disservice to students. I took a class in college on the philosophy of science and we skipped from ancient Greece up to the Renaissance. Our professor briefly mentioned that the center of learning shifted to the middle east during the middle ages but we didn't learn the name of a single middle eastern thinker and anything farther east wasn't even mentioned.
I hope modern philosophers will choose to learn about them, maybe eventually make it so "Western philosophy" courses become "philosophy" courses.
That is equally dismissive of Western Medieval philosophes though.
In fairness those courses are awful for learning anything in detail, their purpose is to give you a broad scope of time early in your degree to give you something of a basis and so that maybe you find something you're interested in to focus on later in your degree.
It would've been a real benefit. Considering, for example, that Aquinas was an Avicennan-Neoplatonist, meaning Thomism developed in part from the Neoplatonist groundwork of Avicenna, an Islamic philosopher, who was also a polymath. Avicenna also influenced Albertism, Scotism, and Ockhamism, which were Medieval Catholic philosophical movements. He also influenced Omar Khayyam, probably the first philosopher to be atheist and be open about it in the Muslim world. There's also Ibn Khaldun who invented an economic philosophy before Ricardo and Smith. There's also Averroes, who formulated a hierarchy of Being. There's also one of my faves in al-Farabi, who developed ideas in conditional syllogisms and analogical inference, which were Stoic, and was considered in his time as Second Teacher, following Aristotle as First Teacher. Don't forget the Japanese quite recently. There's Hajime Tanabe, D. T. Suzuki, and Kitaro Nishida. Hajime and Kitaro were of the Kyoto School, and they approximated ideas in modern and contemporary Western philosophy, using concepts translated into Japanese and developed further by reading Western ancient thought and testing ideas through Zen practice, if I'm not mistaken. They are still very influential. Honestly, I've been taken to reading comparative philosophy and it seems there's a lot of niche to break into.
It's kind of bizarre that I learned more about Confucius in my 100 level intro to East Asian Studies class than someone with a PhD in philosophy :/
Kids, what did we learn today?
If you're ever confronted with something you don't understand, just claim that the person who wrote it never had a secular enlightenment and move on.
Edit: Thanks for the likes :3
I didn’t learn anything because I haven’t had a secular enlightenment
How the hell did we NOT notice??? An acting goddess.
I know right? She’s amazing
EXACTLY
Pardon my ignorance here. I'm a broken person. But is saying "I didn't notice" after the official coming out the polite thing to do? To celebrate it? I know that speculating about people in public is inappropriate and damaging, but I personally wasn't surprised when she came out. The kicker here is that I'm hyper vigilant due to PTSD and I notice social cues where some(or most?) don't. I find it hard to believe that my perception is this twisted.
@@TealJosh It varies from person to person but for myself at least It'd be pretty validating. It'd be people acknowledging my femininity through out my life and proving that yes I was a woman even when they didn't know
@@TealJosh personally, i've always found it kind of uncomfortable for people to comment that they already knew i was trans or bi after coming out. it feels a bit like the person is trying to steal my thunder or prove that they're The Best Ally TM instead of actually listening. however, in abigail's case, she is a public figure and unlikely to see any given comment, so i think anything short of tweeting or dm-ing her directly is probably okay :)
"But even knowing that definition it still feels like I'm missing some context" killed me
It’s a little more complicated than
“if you can read traditional chinese, you can read an ancient Chinese scroll.” Sure, you can read it but you might have a tougher time understanding it.
The “language” has changed a lot since Confucius’s time. Furthermore, there’s a BIG difference between the written classical standard used by scholars and written vernacular Chinese. The relationship between the two is like that of Latin and it’s Romance descendants. The former, used basically only in writing, is full of words and constructions that might have been spoken in the past and have fallen out of use.
Also, Ollie’s Jordan Peterson voice gets me BAD every time
Yea, most ppl can't read classic & u need to basically do a degree that covers it, like history or smth, is my understanding.
Traditional is also not really the right term for classic Chinese, as simplified & traditional are both used to describe modern Chinese writing systems. 🙂
Isn't that the next point that he makes with thunder storm flesh or computer and the do unto others as you would have others do to you?
Yea classical Chinese and modern Chinese are different
@@shakeitlikeanaries128Good point! I might be mistaken but that's not how I understood it.
Ollie's completely right about ‘電腦' and uses it to illustrate how NEW words have been made using characters that were used in a different sense in the past. ‘恕’ is more about how it's hard to both interpret and translate classical Chinese to English in general.
I'm trying to point out that classical Chinese is really hard to understand for modern speakers unless one is specifically trained in it.
For example,
偃, "to bend/to cower" (21:54) is never used in modern vernacular Mandarin (might be used in other Chinese languages like Cantonese).
I think this video would've been improved if Olly had co-written it with a Chinese historian or philosopher.
after I watched 'Identity' earlier today I've just let my autoplay keep showing me older videos. I've noticed new nuances to the things being said, and had moments where I remember thinking I noticed a deeper meaning to something she said but assumed that as a trans person I was... Idk? projecting, or assuming stuff. I've found a lot of comfort in Abigail's videos over the years, and especially the last few months, and found those moments (that I *thought* I was reading too much into) especially helpful.
So I hope it's clear how deeply, from the very bottom of my heart I mean it when, I come to this particular video, and,I say:
Seriously, that dictionary joke and Sir Nigel Piss are some of the funniest jokes/bits I have ever seen of all time.
@@ppppppqqqppp I mean I wasn't 'looking' for signs and at the time I didn't even register them as like "oh is she...?" like, Abigail being trans didn't occur to me honestly. I just meant that like... some of the jokes or insights or whatever she would make would strike in me a chord in my deep gender feels. and historically that's something that I've usually only encountered via other trans people, but at the time it honestly was just something that was more like "oh it's nice that she *gets* even if she's cis", which is obviously a statement now recontextualized
and you're right, reading into people and looking for signs is creepy and rude, and making assumptions based on that is worse still, but honestly I don't think that's what I was doing, in this case
@@bunk-o2495 you are 100% okay, I appreciated your comment and where you were coming from. It's cool that you were able to find solace in Abi's past videos.
Thales, while I believe your intent is genuine, please give it a rest with going in everyone's comments. Allow persons to express themselves and their thoughts. No, I don't think any of the such comments you've responded to are doing any harm. I do think it can be counterintuitive to go on extrapolating about what people's response to Abigail's coming out signifies for how people relate to gender in general,while discounting the intent behind what's being expressed here.
@@bunk-o2495 She helped crack my egg last year and now everything just looks so different. It's funny how blind we can be towards ourselves and other people alike :') I'm so thankful for her insight and how much it helps me recontextualize my own life
Sir Nigel Piss is incredible and had me crying laughing. I do hope he returns in a future video someday
HE HAS MADE HIS GLORIOUS RETURN
"It may appear to be an enormous waste of money and time..."
“Fetch me my Lara Croft costume!” Olly, friend, don’t get my hopes up like that!
Gingrnut Someone has better make some goddamn fan art of Ollie as Laura Croft!
I got way too excited
I was expecting a couple volley balls stuffed down a shirt.
I was absolutely disappointed when he wasn't wearing a teal tanktop and shorts in the next scene.
I knew I wouldn't e the only disappointed viewer.
"Clever Thunderstorm Flesh-that-Thinks" okay that's it, that's my next D&D character. A warforged raised by tabaxi, it totally makes sense.
Oh, a glorious choice. I love Tabaxi naming conventions, good stuff.
I believe the mandarin phrase translated both literally as "clever thunderstorm flesh that thinks" and in a human way as "computer" would be transliterated into pinyin as "diànnăo"
(the diacritical marks indicate that the pitch of your voice would fall on the first syllable 'dian' and fall briefly before rising on the second syllable 'nao,' but don't worry too much about the stresses. no matter how hard you try at first without listening to many hours of speaking, your inflection will sound unnatural to native speakers, if my experience is anything to go by.)
I always give my laptop a name. Don't ask me why, it just spontaneously became a thing since my first laptop. And I've decided to call my new one Clever Thunderstorm Flesh That Thinks. Which is a bit different from Lappy Toppy, my first laptop.
"someone fetch my lara croft costume" SHE WAS FORESHADOWING!
I just can't say enough how much I appreciated the character of Nigel. I'm tired of orientalism and imperialist ideology othering cultures as foreign and "backwards", when in reality there's a lot of stuff we ~wEsTeRnErS~ do that's pretty freaking bonkers
Yeah, that was really refreshing. And that orientalist lens also shows how shallow the people using it are, since not only do they not understand their own country does equally "Strange" things, they also don't understand that when you've lived in a culture for a hot minute and you know the context behind how stuff works, things generally make A Whole Lot More Sense!
Yes. Thank god we don't get a cringe take on long robes and a beard and a bad accent spouting off "ancient and simplistic" proverbs and poetry like most creators would attempt. The value of WEIRD (white educated industrialized rich democratic) is so often seen as purely exceptional, the now dominant understanding of right, the myth of progress, when you look at history there are direct parallels with exactly the same atrocities, the same people hated and marginalized, and sometimes the best you get is some culturally relative approach where a type of understanding and "tolerance" is assumed with the same Western biases, and that to be respecful means to see all as valid, instead of critiquing another culture past and present as an opening to critiquing our own.
Plus to think of culture and people as homogenous, ever, misses so much nuance. And Orientalism - ooff.
Orientalism actually kinda elevates the Other a lot of the times. Like "Oh, that spiritual and elegant china! We need to protect it from modernity and industrialisation by colonisation!" kind of thing. And the interesting thing is that today there is a lot of "occidentalism" in East Asia.
@@TheoEvian Oh absolutely. I had a professor try to say that some stereotypes were good - not good as in romanticized and fetishized, but "good" as in that positive isms are good to have.
I live in the US and here the elevations of Asian people as the "model minority" are incredibly common, simplistic, and damaging. And I've seen a lot of Western white Buddhists really glorifty the "simple" life of rural East Asia, and even the supposed appreciation and enlightenment of those who live in abject poverty and of course, only pick rice and make pottery and appreciate every moment. And to say that China isn't modern and industrialized is tinged with quite a bit of irony. Maybe that depends on definition? I'm also not sure the Uighur Muslim camps are exactly spiritual, among other things. And any attempt at trying to homogenize and generalize a region or culture is always danger, be it for romantic reasons or in an ethnocentric and negative way.
Speaking of anti Chinese talks. The rhetoritic of that one orange man whose name I do not like to speak or even dare to type, it's gotten much more brutal here. Much more brutal. But everything has.
And you're right, "occidentalism" definitely can be prevalent.
The one orientalism I don't see being elevated is towards the Middle East.
I agree, more of Nigel
This business lesbian speaks good words!
Funnier than it should be
I died laughing
i....
Business lesbian is a great character idea 😅
Business lesbians immediately conjures up images of Tilda Swinton and Emma Thompson.
"You can't polish a turd, but you can roll it in glitter" ~Confucius.
“Clever thunderstorm flesh that thinks” has me thinking “oh so u mean the nervous system?” 🤯
I am Eleplitic and thought the same thing.
How have I lived here my whole life unaware of the fact that a major governmental process involves a guy with a big stick having a door slamed in his face & him responding by passive aggressively banging on the door?
I was going to say what the actual heck then I remembered I’m american so I really can’t talk.
It is my FAVORITE ritual, it’s so ridiculous
No idea
in australia we have those big sticks resting on the tables in parliament too, not sure if they get used in a similar manner but i wouldn't be surprised if they do lol
@@melm4251 we have black rods in Australia, yeah.
So long story short, Confucius’ writings were trying to say “Kiss ya homies goodnight every night”
There is literally no moral philosophy that would go against kissing yo homies good night. So do it
I wish I had a homie
@@appleslover lol hey
apple's lover wanna be homies? 👉👈
@@appleslover h-homie tiem?
To this day, the modulated voice interpretation of chinese characters is still one of my favorite bits.
I came back here 90% to see that part again lol
i cant imagine how dysphoric it would be for Abbie to dress and act like a man for these episodes even after she'd come out in her personal life... We love you, you're a huge inspiration to trans people all over the world
is actress, she's trained for it
@@thekaxmax Are you trans? Because trust me dysphoria is a bench
@@thekaxmax Doesn't make it not (or even less) painful.
"Patron of Several Charities Trying to Alleviate Problems Exacerbated by Companies He Owns"
That's my favorite one.
"It may appear to be an enormous waste of money and time-" *puts pipe in mouth and stops*
Funniest joke of the video, right there.
And the subtitles always make it even better xD
If you follow along with the Mohists, that’s a great counter argument to the monarchy. The Confucians, not so much.
CZcams has been freezing all morning for me, so (even though there was still movement on the screen) I had to make sure that the internet hadn't crashed on me :P
@@stephaniel2850 Doh! I forgot about the subtitles! Now I have to re-watch (oh, darn).
Heard your real voice come through in this one. Congrats on coming out Abby :3
Is this what you think being an ally looks like? Consider putting her needs above your own.
@@TheEvilCheesecake don’t speak for her. As soon as she comes in and tells me otherwise.
@@TheEvilCheesecake Wait, what was wrong with that comment?
@@TheEvilCheesecake this is in reference to her mentioning in her coming out video that she had been masking her voice since she started transitioning - her “real” voice in this context IS her voice as a woman - not that she wasn’t a woman before, but that here her voice had changed and the “male” voice WAS the affect.
and i wouldn’t consider it an insult given how excited abby was to drop the affect and use her natural voice.
are you implying that OP was saying “har har you sound like a guy!”? or is it disrespectful to acknowledge something that abby expressed some degree of pride over? because i don’t think OP was doing that and i dont see a problem with the latter at all.
So, can we see that Lara Croft costume now?
Imagine the reaction of the Ji family getting told that someone 2,000 years later was going to publicly call them out to people all around the world on a scale that they never could imagine.
or care
If one really is to look at even the surnames of China today, those that originated from branches of the 姬 (Ji) family make up a good majority of it. However, those who hold the Ji surname itself has become rarer and rarer.
Oh.. he didnt put on a Lara Croft costume. Sad face
I know, right? You can't just tease people like that!
*Mademoiselle Y has left the chat.*
As a Chinese person, I would debate the fact whether or not Confucius' ideas actually "failed". While it was true that the state of Qin became powerful through strict legalism and a rejection of the softer form of governance that Confucius advocated for, it did eventually fall for these same reasons. When Liu Bang reunited China under the Han dynasty, he was initially scornful of Confucianism and preferred legalism like the Qin, but his beliefs changed when he was impressed by the work of a Confucian scholar named Lu Gu. Under the Han, laws became more relaxed and there was once again more focus on rulers possessing virtue rather than enforcing punishment. Of course, laws did still exist, but rulers understood that they alone were not enough to maintain order in society. The Confucian concept of the mandate of heaven also persisted in China; the idea that heaven allowed virtuous people to become rulers of China but if they ever lost that virtue and were instead working against the people, then heaven would allow the people to overthrow them and a new ruler would emerge. Thus, I think that it's unfair to say that Confucius' ideas had no impact on how those in power behave. Even to this day, while China is not democratic, governmental officials (at least local ones) are still somewhat accountable to the people they govern due to the social and cultural expectation that they act with the people's best interest in mind. I've recently been reading "Blood and Silk" by Michael Vatikiotis, a book that explores the politics and culture of South East Asia. He makes the point that unlike in East Asia (China, Korea and Japan), it seems that the common cultural sensibility in South East Asia is that it is natural for those in power to be self-serving, and he suggests that Confucius may have some impact in creating this difference since South East Asia is outside of the sphere of Confucian culture.
That's so racist. South-east Asians love inequality? Don't forget that Confucius also supported nepotism, including in government.
Thank you for the reading recommendation. Sounds interesting, and I’ll definitely check it out 😲
如果是一个合格的儒家信徒，那么他就必须不停的努力奋斗，对家人社会国家民族担负责任。
会不休止的工作加班达到成功，我们不相信命运，天堂和任何神灵。
很多人因为达不到要求选择了自杀。从小学开始就每天至少学习12小时，工作后也一样。成为失败者会让家庭家族蒙羞。
个人努力其实并不能成功，但儒家要求每个人这么去做。所以东亚人是很痛苦的地方。
祈祷冥想等把自己命运交给别人是不能容忍的。命运被毒品控制也是无法原谅，贩毒基本上都是死刑。因为没有天堂，我们只在有限时间存活，被毒品控制就相当于杀了这个人的灵魂。
2:39 Okay the make-up bag makes a lot more sense now. How to tell the world you are really Abigail without telling them you're Abigail.
Men wearing makeup is valid, but I see what you’re getting at 👍
Even like a year or so ago she talked about wearing makeup in her livestreams, for the cameras. I think it's easy to look back and see signs, but I don't think they really mean much
She was an actor way before coming out, she wore make-up for that
as someone who is neurodivergent, the everyday rituals we have in modern society, the ones that are unwritten and created, enforced, and regulated only by the masses, can end up seeming confusing and complicated to an outsider. i find it very interesting to put together philosophies such as confucius's and my own efforts to learn these rituals in order to mask, since they both observe the moral values behind certain rituals. this allows for something of a study of society, not as it is organized through bureaucracy, but rather as it is constructed as an entity comprising multiple individuals.
Especially because many of them are legacy rituals born of a different age for a different purpose that we kept around because reasons. Like an appendix. I like to picture a post-collapse civilization that compulsively washes hands before entering a building or as a greeting.
Any rituals in particular?
@@davidshi451 my personal favorite to learn about are the rituals of language. seeing which words convey what meaning in which context, how grammatical rules change in certain regions/accents when enough native speakers make the same mistake (for example, "it went good" instead of "if went well"), how swearing can be appropriate in certain contexts and slurs can be deemed appropriate when they are reclaimed or even just if the audience isn't bothered by them (like in the rap song scene in the movie white chicks), how there could be entirely separate dictionaries for the vocabulary one might use in familiarity versus in officiality, and each nuance of this (how we speak differently with our close friends than we do with acquaintances than we do with teachers than we do with superiors than we do with groups of people, etc.)
etymology is so interesting because it helps us understand where these customs come from (for example, many swear words come from religion, though i've seen this more in quebec french than anywhere else) and why they were born.
also, as someone who evolves in a very bilingual environment, there are twice as many rules, and it can be super interesting to compare them.
i know people who know up to six or seven languages, and whenever they learn a new one, especially if it is associated with a drastically different culture, it's fascinating to hear about the dos and don'ts of different languages.
the list is really long when it comes to language, and this is just scratching the surface, but what i like the most about it is that everyone has their own language rituals engrained into them, and they only need to look inward to realize the complexity of them.
i don't know how intelligible this was, but i hope it was somewhat helpful ( :
@@allykholodov that sound very interesting tbh, maybe u should do like a blog or video about it (or podcast)
@@altertopias thanks! i'll definitely try to do something like that
So he’s like Socrates his disciples wrote fanfics about him?
Yes
It’s interesting coming back to these last few videos after “Identity”. I remember thinking Abigail seemed different at the time.
“E l e c t r i c B r a i n n n n n”
This is my new aesthetic
Nice. I got... Nigel Piss!? Aww man!
"Clever thunderstorm flesh that thinks" is my favorite phrase for computer now 😹
I thought it was going to be “brainstorm” 😆
24:00 Lmao, ending a Trump impersonation with "And then he died." on the same day as him catching 'rona. Dammit Olly, what did you know?
28:45 * if y'all are looking for the spot.
My client wishes to invoke his right to remain silent.
I don't know who this Jordan Peterson character is so instead of googling I'm going to assume it was The British Confucius.
Enrique Garcia Cota Actually a Canadian Kermit the frog that got stupid popular with the American conservatives
2020 is bananas
As an english major I never felt anything more relatable as "Have you ever tried to read the Canterbury Tales?"
Ngl when I first saw this video it gave me the sneaking suspicion that Abi wasn't cis, though I can't quite put my finger on what specifically it was that gave me that impression
Is it how amazingly smooth her face was
envious of that tbh
I mean it was only a passing thought tbh, it wasn't like I thought to myself "Oh yes, she's definitely trans because her skin is smooth" or whatever. Obviously a guy can present as feminine as he likes and still be completely cis, and I don't think people should openly speculate anyone else's gender.
@@drfraudulence909 tru, speciation can lead to outing before that person is even ready.
@@drfraudulence909 thing is, she has been on hormones for a hot minute. There are cis men who do that, but This is not That.
"Churchill's Heroic Heroism and why the Irish should shut up and be grateful" deserves so much more recognition
Totally missed that, good man for pointing it out.
Don’t forget “dreams that the Duchess is Cambridge would step on him”
*of
Don't forget the Indians!
Nigel Piss needs to be a recurring character
"Churchill's heroic heroism and why the Irish should be grateful" seriously got me there
OMG HI HAZEL
(- jake)
B L A C K R O D
He needs a longer subtitle like:
Lord Piss of Water Closet Defecatingshire
patron of several charities trying to alleviate concerns exacerbated by his company
The signs were there..lol. she definitely hid it well lol.
Please don't look for "signs" in people's pre-out videos.
And especially don't point out anything you perceive as one.
@@thecosmonaut9322 I, for one, wouldn't mind being told of signs by my parasocials if I was a medically transitioning closeted trans woman who was waiting for the right moment to come out. I know Abi is different from me, though, so maybe she will object if she sees this comments field.
@@ellenorbjornsdottir1166 what I’m getting at really is that we don’t know how Aby would feel about people searching for signs in her old videos. The trans people in my life would be mortified started picking apart every move they made in the past under a microscope and pointing out where it was ‘obvious’ that they were trans. Even those who put themselves out there on the internet. And I know of some trans people who have publicly said not to do exactly that. It’s something to consider is all I’m saying. It’s probably best to just not do it under the assumption that the person wouldn’t mind. And with such a large audience, some trans people may feel like they have to pretend not to mind in order to not upset their audience.
One other problem I've always had with "Do unto others" for a moral framework
What if you hate yourself?
Does that mean your now required to be equally loathsome to those around you?
It's a decent rule of thumb for children that completely fails when faced with any real nuance.
The reality is that morality and ethics are just too complicated to boil down into single sentence platitudes without losing some critically important details along the way.
Better version which I like: Do unto others as others would want you do to unto you
@@thomasw4422 OK but like people still enjoy different things, like I've accidentally upset people before because I was doing something I would have enjoyed being done to me, basically what Screaming Cactus said but with half baked personal anecdotes
Coming from some odd moral organizations in my time, yes they do treat others as loathsome as they feel inside. They just think its because the other is evil, not recognizing the same impulse in their self.
It also implies everyone wants exactly what you do. …I’m starting to see why Americans are how we are.
I find it amazing how Confucius was so intelligent on bitcoin
Ahead of his time.
Confucius is Satoshi nakamoto
@@popejaimie wow that really did it form me thank you
“Smart flowing electric thinking meat” is gonna be my new cyberpunk-themed new wave cover band.
*smart flowing, thinking, electric meat
Kraftwek would approve 👍
Please tour with Clever Thunderstorm Flesh That Thinks. They're really quite good.
My favorite funny Chinese transliteration was when I found out that "forum" could technically mean "theory altar"
forum as in "open discussion", forum as in part of cities from the roman empire or forum as in "court"? (never heard this word in english before)
@@AgentSteffi forum as in a platform for discussion (e.g. a video game forum, a place where the community can express concerns among the community and to developers, which is where I first learned the Chinese translation 论坛 or lùntán)
@@brandonplowman3949 i see. Thanks!
That… actually makes a lot of sense
so we really watched that video 4months ago and didn't see her beauty?
ARE WE BLIND?
I stopped watching her videos a few months ago because my crush on her was crushing me so... No but the beauty sure blinded me to the obvious
@@yulianadzyurbil7937 Same here honestly. It was like going to a class held by the sexiest teacher in the world. Focusing is impossible-
I mean, i noticed. But GENERALLY, if you hang around enough trans ppl to notice the signs of starting HRT, you ALSO know to keep your damn mouth shut.
@@tangent94 Unless you're a niceish person who associates with trans people and also has no filter and just says anything without a second thought.
@@paris5410 i mean sure. That's why i said "generally"
“Nigel Piss” is such a weird way to spell “Niall Ferguson”.
If you write it in Chinese, the same characters can also be read as "David Starkey."
I’M SCREAMING
Brother of Turd Ferguson
"THE CHINESE NEVER HAD A SECULAR ENLIGHTENMENT"
Confucius: "12 Rus For Life"
I'll show myself out.
Errybody gansta 'til Confucius come with his bois.
Genius. You may allow yourself back in to stay...
get your ass back in here
A classical example of mistranslation.
@@roseweb2003 I have returned! My place in the social order is clear.
Sir Nigel piss is my current favourite philosophy tube chatacter
this woman is inspirational
"You are not the first person to live through times like these"
Less comforting: We are *still* living through times like these after 2500 years...
“Just another day, lads”
Or is it just more of cycle of "times like these" and "time not like these". More reassuring, I think, cos it means there's a better time after this one.
@@clarkeybaby2955 Times not like these seem very few and far between. And they tend to only apply to middle-class, because poor people have been in times like these every since... forever, I think.
@@devilskind92 Very true. I would argue that even if you're at the bottom, your circumstances can still change for the better. I know it rings hollow but I think it's worth believing that something good will come.
“We are gonna build a beautiful wall”
And then he died
Olly getting crazy accurate over here
F
Hopefully....
I mean what?
Help, the fbi is at my door
And now, Philosophy Tube would in lens, suddenly (or totally) feel like Nostradamus.
Sometimes I rewatch Philosophy Tube videos and despite how hard I laugh every time, I always forget this is the one with "smart flowing thinking electric meat"
I quite like those two characters, and personally this is how I would interpret them:
忠 is composed of two characters:
中 center
心 heart, but actually also the mind
So together for me it means to have a centered heart/mind, namely one that is firm and unwavering, which gives the potential meanings of devotion and loyalty.
恕 is also composed of two characters:
如 to be like, or to go towards, to approach
心 heart/mind
Which together for me means to guide your actions with your heart/mind, so being thoughtful, considerate, not acting rashly. From which I suppose you could derive "Do unto others blablabla", though it seems to me as a religious transposition, when it would be more accurate to just say "Don't act like a f***ing animal".
"Be excellent to each other"
- Bill & Ted
心 looks like a penguin
@@diamonddemon7612 It actually does 😂
with the mustache he looks like how I imagine every character in agatha christie books
Possibly Agatha Christie as well
The Virgin Understanding What's Profitable vs The Chad Understanding What's Moral
I like your profile picture, is that a Nonnenbruch painting?
Based
Huge kudos to Abigail for tackling eastern philosophy, we in the west don't know nearly enough about it!
Just wanted to comment my appreciation for the subtitles. I've been wanting to share your channel with my mother for so long, but as a first gen immigrant there's always been a language barrier between my Japanese parents and I that makes it difficult for me to personally convey complex ideas such as this. Thankfully they're both fluent in Chinese! I'm getting her to watch this, then Men. Abuse. Trauma. and hopefully more videos to come. Thank you, Ollie :]
It's weird that they don't teach eastern philosophy to a philosophy major when all the continental philosophers were obsessed with eastern philosophy. Seems like some pretty huge context is missing.
Maybe, and hear me out, xenophobia? racism? Idk but most philosophers are shit heads and their words are only worth something when you can draw from the encyclopedia of human history
Took a philosophy course in college. When actually asked about Eastern Philosophy, the prof explained that Eastern Philosophy is not actually philosophy, because it's not devoted to thinking about thinking.
That prof was a jackass on many levels, and I think his point of view was just good ol' white Western racism, but I also think it's a popular point of view among philosophy profs.
@@johnbradley1139 I mean, this can a reasonable argument. There is a somewhat famous story involving Derrida, for example, where he got shouted at at a philosophy conference in Shanghai for claiming that China has never developed philosophy, and that there's only "Chinese thought". The problem is that the term "philosophy" is heavily imbued with a Western view on what philosophy is and how it should be done, and beyond that, in what tradition it should stand. Derrida would argue that when people say "philosophy", they think of Socrates and Plato, and then of the Enlightenment, and so on, and because the word is used and understood like that, therefore, Confucius is not a philosopher.
What your professor said is really just another instance of this. He feels that philosophy is something that reflects on the process in which it is made and thought, in the manner that Western philosophy does, and if you come from that point of view, Chinese thought just can't be philosophy.
I actually don't think it is necessarily a bad thing to make a distinction between different traditions of thought, but, of course, as the parent commenter noted, it can get pretty absurd. When you teach about Schopenhauer but don't teach Buddhism, you lose a lot of opportunities to make fun of him, and therefore defeat the point of teaching Schopenhauer.
@@cemperable
It's an argument that can be supported semantically. That's not the same as a reasonable one. And mostly it's just gatekeeping... "We invented the word, and you can't have it."
We have only one functional word in basically all Western, Romance-derived languages that means "one of many schools of thought," and that word is "philosophy." That same word also refers to the specific, Greek-derived norms of Western Philosophy.
So "philosophers" use the one, lesser meaning, to deny other cultures validity under the greater, more far-reaching meaning.
But for functionally the entirety of white, male, European philosophers to effectively say that no other civilization can "love wisdom" because they didn't go to the same school is pretty colonialist/racist.
Also, Derrida wrote a LOT of books for someone whose central conceit was "you can't ever really understand anything that anyone ever speaks or writes, because no two people have lived the same life."
I studied Chinese philosophy at university, but I think it was out of interest rather than being a requirement.
As someone who is and speaks Mandarin Chinese, I was very confused when you were talking electric brains until you said computer. That was just something I never thought about and have made me think of other words I use that are kinda convoluted and confusing when not given the context
I've had a weird experience as a native English speaker (canadian) moving to England where I ostensibly speak the language. So much more of what we say is established through convention rather than the literal meaning of words than I really imagined. of course there is idiom and local sayings and dialects that are different but that is to be expected. But then there is almost an entirely different lexicon of the most common words and phrases. Words and phrases that I understand but are so rarely used in my experience are commonplace here. Words and phrases that are commonplace for me are foreign here. It's interesting.
@@curtmacquarrie oh that happens EVERYWHERE. And it's an inevitable outcome of communication. Think about how nonsensical and full of gaps your day-to-day communication with your family would be to an outsider.
@@juniperfox1064 Electric brain might not be, but the characters (and the ones that is made of) also mean other things: 6:33 "clever thunderstorm flesh that thinks". I mean, it makes sense, in hindsight, if you think about it...but you gotta think about it.
@@daddyleon "Electric brain" is kind of a better descriptor of modern computers than the word "computer." I mean, sure, a computer is _ultimately_ doing computations, that that's not really how people interact with computers.
@@jospinner1183 I really like your thinking. But I do disagree, the word "brain" conjured connotations like "thinking" and "consciousness" and, fundamentally, we don't know if it even could do that. It might not even be possible. Not because carbon is better and silicon is impossible to have consciousness working, but because it's all just one big question mark. If it could think and be conscious, yes!! Please, let's call it an electric brain! That be an amazing term.
It's hysterical how similar Jordan Peterson sounds like Kermit the frog when taken out of context.
the smile olly had when he said "grandmaster kong" cleared my skin right up
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British Parliament: *BLACK. ROD.*
I want a “Black Rod” t-shirt.
All nations the Queen reigns over have one. We have a Black Rod in Canada too. He's the messenger of the Governor General, who represents the Crown in Canada.
@Jim lastname Yeah, that's basically our deal, too. On the news they just call him "Black Rod" for short. The GG has played a seminal role in several past Canadian political emergencies, most recently and dramatically the King/Byng affair.
Sir piss switches which hand he holds the eye piece/pipe between the two acts, hidden meaning?
Get a good comment format. This is a dead as a doge meme.
"Our government officials aren't supposed to insult each other" *distant, faint American sobbing*
That's far more accurate than I'm comfortable admitting.
I think we lost decorum when a man was nearly beat to death in the Halls of Congress shortly before the Civil War began.
we love you, abigail
30:10 "If everyone woke up tomorrow and was 50% more moral, would that fix the problems?"
Yes, or at the very least help them. Because if everyone woke up and was more moral, that would include, very importantly, the people with power. It is not the responsibility of the average person to fix the world's problems, as so many problems are caused by systems and corporations. The average person doesn't need to do anything to fix it, the people with power do (governments, heads of corporations, etc).
That would certainly help but the problem with that is that capitalist competition will always favor the one that puts profit first. Though I think one of the things a more moral people would do would be finding a viable alternative to capitalism. Capitalism isn't so much a bad system as one too good for this sinful world.