Backpacking Gear I no longer use
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
- Two years ago I got into lightweight backpacking. Since then, I dropped several items of gear. In this video I guide you through all the items I no longer use.
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0:00 - Intro
1:51 - Towel
3:23 - Pillow
4:46 - Air matress
6:35 - Butt pad
7:18 - Stove
9:05 - Unnecessary drybags
10:35 - Osprey backpack
Emiel was so relieved when he didn't get ditched for 50 grams...
Yay another video! Thank you for taking the time to share your advice with us all :) Take care
Great topic and video! I had a very similar gear journey. Eventually you realize you don’t need so much stuff. And also it’s fun to buy new gear and try out 🤗
Soo glad I stumbled upon your videos. I'm planning to start day hiking but want to be safe as i will be going alone on many of my journeys. Thank you!
I love your videos and your quirky sense of humor. After hiking the AT, I ditched my stove as well. As time went by, I only used it for heating water for coffee in the morning. I can't give up coffee so I just add a packet of Starbucks VIA to cold water and shake it up. I haven't tried cold soaking, but would like to. I currently just buy foods at the supermarket that I can eat without heating and that's worked well so far.
Nice one Floor! This way is way better to show what works for you and why you do it unlike a lot of the youtube videos pushing a product! Mooi!
That's quite funny, I really have a similar setup and thinking too. I can imagine and (find still myself too)t's really hard with all the opinions on the internet. I too don't use mattress, it's just too much work and I've never thought I was too cold in my bag. I would look for warmth with higher down fill. The simple Z-rest is just much more versatile.
Very interesting, and very funny the way you show the things, as usual.
Great video!
I use a nice gore tex bivy sack and keep a lightweight nylon tarp in case I need to fashion a shelter. The only time I use a tent is a tent hammock when exclusively going to be around trees.
The only time I eat hot food is when there is wood around to burn.
I carry 35 pounds worth of camera gear alone(includes 160 watt solar charging system) and another 15 pounds of personal gear.
Im 6'1 and weigh about 185.
That's a bit over 25% of my body weight but it feels fine with a properly fitted pack.
Great video! cutting weight down is the key.... For the pads! Side sleepers like me can't get the folding foam pads (they hurt like hell) so I went with the uberlite from thermarest (8.8oz) is VERY light for a inflatabla pads and I fold it in a square shape so I don't need to roll the "beep" thing after hahahaha.. Thanks for sharing
When I watched this I thought "Ah, that pillow idea is great!" Then I realized I've been doing this for my whole life :D (But I just used jacket, putting it to the shirt is an improvement I'll implement, thanks!). I'd never ditch my stove though!
Awesome video. I mention that same pack weight percentage in my 'West Highland Way mistakes video.'
I think we are all guilty of taking too much stuff 'just incase' and telling ourselves they are necessities rather than what they really are - luxury items.
Hi, I adore your videos! I used the sea to summit sand pillow last spring & summer, it’s a yuck pillow for me. Slides all around me while I’m trying to sleep!! Yup I ditched mine too
I have the same pillow, but I haven't used it camping for months now, I just use a fleece that I was wearing. I still bring a stove though, I really like warm or hot food for breakfast/dinner, and a hot coffee in the morning too.
Always looking at pack weight, so thanks for the thoughts. As far as the cold soak timing goes I get to camp, I prep my dinner set up camp and by the time I am done my couscous is ready (Fun fact: I have never ate couscous hot)
Thanks for the video. I have a self inflating sleeping pad and a sit pad. At some point I will swap the sleeping pad to a 3/4 length and use the sit pad for my feet.
I considered doing the same only today, but then had a nagging doubt that my sit pad would probably fly away during the night, as it's so lightweight.
@@chrisw3327 Good point. Maybe attach it with some Velcro.
The Tipp with the cold soaking helps me alot. I was asking myself if this would work with couscous for example. I Will do the kungsleden, but donßt want to use a gas stove. I will only take my wood stove/hobo with my. In case i will not find enough wood, i will do cold soaking!
I do the same I use a shirt clothes etc for pillow or to dry why not.when I slept over a friends house I used. Rolled towel it forms to head. Don’t need a stove if your in nature use wood and make a fire. As long as u dig a hole so it won’t spread into a bad fire. Patagonia backpacks are great you must try. Good tips👍
Oh dear! Down the rabbit hole of wild campings weight-saving. That's been my lockdown obsession too. Some random thoughts.... Darwin onthetrail also tried cold soaking but decided that a stove was worth carrying (after he visited Scotland and had a hot meal). If you camp in cold climates, using a spring/sunmer ultralight sleeping bag combined with insulated trousers and jacket to sleep in can extend usage to 4 seasons. The outfit is also perfect for around camp. I am yet to try a SOL Emergency Blanket under my sleeping mat to reflect infra-red and boost the R value, but this would be only 70g. If you are not using your walking poles for your tent, then the Mountainsmith Slingback chair is only 140g and uses those plus your sleeping mat or sitmat and it provides a back support! Sea to Summit now sell some uberlight and super absorbent towels. I have a four season tent that suffers from condensation, so I use a ~30g towel to soak that up. Another tip if you use trail runners is to leave a second pair of camp shoes at home and to change socks once you pitch your tent, then put freezer bags inside the trail runners if they are wet. The warmth from your feet will dry them faster. If you do decide to go back to the world of stoves, for longer trips an alcohol stove is probably better, as the usual 100g gas canisters weigh just over 200g (107g for the canister and 100g for the gas). A 500ml Trangia fuel bottle weighs about 70g and holds enough fuel for about 20 x 15 mins burn time. Happy camping!
very clear said
Therm a rest has a lightweight pump to inflate your mattress which I love.
So basically you ditched everything I wish for after a loooong hike... a warm meal and a good night sleep :)
you can put some silnet on the underside of your air matress and depending on the flooring of your tent it wont slide anymore. in hilleberg tents it works really good. you would still need to fill it up though...
sweet vid. got to get myself an Atom pack
I use the z lite with a self inflating torso pad (nordisk ven 2.5 only 280gr) the z lite protect the torso pad and the nordisk add confort and r value, 2 + 2.3 and the set up is very quick; in summer i use a arkmat 127 form pad (127gr) + the torso pad.
Cold soaking makes so much sense. Carrying a butane/gas mix, a mini stove AND cooking kit just for warm food and maybe a coffee really is overkill.
I was thinking about getting a backpack from Atom packs but waiting time is 9weeks plus I ordering online and not be able to try it on before was a bit of deal breaker. I end up getting Out Week backpack from Salomon from my local shop. It’s also quite light and love the simplicity of it. Not sure how it compares to typical ultralight backpack. Can you make a longer video about your Atom? Thanks!
Great minds think alike! 😎 except for the cold soaking, bah!
Hahahaha :). You should try it!! It's not as bad as it seems.
@@floordenil Haha will do! (never tried it)
@@floordenil Not sure if you'll read this but I'm a cold soaker now 😎 Thank you!
@@CaptainCamp HAHA niiiiice! I really like it in warm temperatures. Enjoy the soaking!
@@floordenil 😎👍
V good. Thanks. Just a Q. What was your pack weight to start with and what is it down to?
Thermarest solution: Get Schnozzel Pump bag (60g) and a adapter (5 euro, aprox 7g) takes 1 minute to blow up the thermarest with minimal energy. The pumpsack can be used as a drybag in your backpack for your sleepsystem/clothing also functions as a pillow when you stuff cloth in it. Multi purpose.
You rolling of your thermarest or your sleepbag rolling off it was a issue I had til I tried Quilts, I will never go back to traditional mummy sleeping bags again after trying a quilt, They pack smaller, the weight is less and you can freely do a 360 without struggle. They are also cheaper and can be used wide open during warmer days.
Backpack I stoped using DCF/Dyneema backpacks, they shrink, you do not get many miles/money out of them.
DCF Tents shrink also. Most people are unaware of this!
Many peoples DCF Tents will shrink 8 inches (20 centimeters) in a three year period.
You should do the Pyrenees High Route south bound :)
Je bent erg grappig! Ik ben benieuwd hoe je nieuwe Spartaanse wandelstijl je zal bevallen. Dat matrasje... ik krijg al pijn in de rug van ernaar kijken maar ik slaap (dan ook) op mijn zij. Mijn vermoeden is dat de lichtere rugzak het grootste verschil uitmaakt. Ik hoop dat alle reisbeperkingen tijdig worden opgeheven zodat er toch een seizoen overblijft!
Ik slaap ook op mijn zij! In Corsica sliep ik ermee op rotsige ondergronden en dat viel echt veel beter mee dan verwacht. De eerste twee nachten waren moeilijk, daarna was ik eraan gewend :).
@@floordenil Ah, maar u bent vermoedelijk een onverwoestbare twintiger, terwijl ik... meer de leeftijd van uw ouders heb. Ik heb afgelopen zomer een 400 km van het Pieterpad gelopen, daarbij voor het eerst goeddeels in een tent(je) geslapen, op een mat van klymit. Ga deze zomer de lichtere thermarest neoaxl proberen.
@@t.vanoosterhout233 Leuuuk!! En ok, ik zie mijn papa ook niet meteen slapen op mijn matje. Daarin kan ik je dus volgen :). Veel plezier!
Great video, Floor :-)
Is the hip belt from the Atom as thick as the Osprey one? I'm in the search for a new pack myself, but I don't like overly padded hip belts. And how's the ventilation?
The hip belt on the Atom is definitely not as thick as the Osprey one! It gives you just the support you need, in my opinion. The ventilation is not very good because there's no netting in the back (it's similar to a regular backback you would use for school). So your pack will get wet if you sweat a lot!
Do you think the zilte would be warm enough for the Kungsleden or Scotland? I also have a thermarest Neo air, and I am having similar issues with it. It’s warm but i slide of it and its to narrow. I sleep better in a carpet, thinking about getting the zilte but I am planning to go to Scotland in may and Kungsleden in July. What do u think?
Hope you'll continue to do content on your channel
I don't use a tent anymore. A bivy sack is more useful and way lighter. Protection from the elements and bugs. No set up either. I use a Sierra Designs bivy.
I would love to buy an Atom+ as well (I'm from Europe as well and I want to support small companies). But I'm soooo unsure which size I need. I think I have a little more stuff to carry than you but not that much more. Buying the wrong size is quite expensive regarding those packs. I wish they had a shop somewhere to try the packs.
I ditched my air pillow as well BUT I'm using a bulkier and heavier one now, LOL. I'm using the Therm-a-Rest down pillow. I went for so much ultralight stuff in the beginning but now I want my cozyness. At least when it comes to my pillow.
The Atom+ is really tight for me as well, so if you have more gear I'd definitely recommend to buy a bigger size. They have some packs of 50L, I think!
@@floordenil Oh, this helps a lot. They also sell the Atom+ as a 50l version. I'll go for that baby then :) Thank you!
There's a nice trick when it comes to regulating pillow thickness. No need to put too much air in it -- just release the extra air until it's comfy. Makes the pillow more stable, too.
Easy way to save weight: get a kindle version of the relevant guidebook on your phone instead of the paper version!
Xerox the pages u need... Leave the phone at home
That pillow weighs 2 ounces!!! But I'm a side sleeper, so it works for me. Also, have you thought about cutting the towel down to make it smaller/lighter?
That pillow makes a lot of noise :-)
Mede Belgische ‘hiker’ hier! Ik zou het erg interessant vinden een filmpje te zien over hoe jij cold soaking aanpakt? De meeste info die ik terugvind is nogal Amerikaans gericht, met ingrediënten die hier niet zo eenvoudig te vinden zijn. Dus het zou fijn zijn hier een Europeser perspectief te zien 🙂
Welke ‘pot’ gebruik jij hiervoor? Alvast bedankt!
Ah dat is een leuk idee! Doe ik misschien eens in de toekomst. Ik gebruik een Haägen-Dazs ijspot. Stond in de diepvriesijsjes in de Carrefour!
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Hello Floor, heel goed videos ! Ik heb naar je kungsleden video gekeken en ik zal op september een deel te doen (alleen 5 dagen van Abisko tot Vakkotavare). Mijn favoriete trek was in Scotland (Cape wrath trail) en in Iceland (Skogar - Landmannalaugar). I also tried to loose the weight of my gear and finish at 11kgs without water... my best ratio between comfort and lightness. Could you tell me if you are satisfied with your tent ? It offers you a good protection against rain ? Thanks for your response. Jeremy (i subscribed :)). Sorry voor mijn nederland, ik veranderd voor engels even if i'm not very comfortable in foreign langages... Jeremy
Tof om je ultralight proces te volgen. Heb je al wandel plannen deze zomer (in coronatijd)?
Ik heb wat opties, maar wacht de situatie af :). Nog geen concrete plannen, dus!
0:52 You really would expect that if you would eat and eat and eat and increase your weight, your pack at the same weight, but then within 20%, would not bruise anymore on your hip? 😉
The 20% rule should make sure that the pack weight does not thwart your walking speed and mileage too much.
4:12 - actually, "lying" was correct as the present participle and "laying" would mean "lay" as laying an object down not lying in a horizontal position (source: British person)
Great video though :)
I used to hike in the nude to save some weight...until I died in the woods...honestly it was not very comfortable also!
When I was Scout, I did not use a mattress. Used an army poncho (which was also the rain protection), put spare clothes on top. Fine for grass or forrest floor. Pillow: the hiking boots sticked together (soles to the sides), and some fabric (yes: towel 😉) or jacket on top.
When more comfort is required, there can be layers of brushwood, stray, leaves etc. under the poncho. Ok, it's a bit more work, but: the better you bed yourself, the better you'll sleep.
How would you rate the comfort of the new backpack (Atom) and the old one (Osprey)? Atom is frameless, so do you not miss it?
You have the option of putting a frame in an Atompack and I chose to do that, so mine is not frameless! The comfort of the Atom is way better in my opinion, but I also think that has to do with my pack weight that has gone down drastically :)!
Thank you, I am still considering the change from my Gregory to some ultralight backpack, but I do not know if I could live without this amazing frame. Atom with frame looks good then.
Thanks for those helpful ideas. Especially the cold soaking could save me a lot of weight. I usually prefer comfort over having a light backpack but on my next hike I'll have to carry food for at least a week so cutting pack weight in other places will be essential.
Have you already made plans for any long hikes this year?
Hey! I haven't decided which trail I'll hike this year, still going over some different options :)! Good luck with the light backpack!
What is the lightweight sleeping pad called?
You like cold soaking but you didn’t like it in Scotland!
Your maximum carrying weight also depends on your BMI because if you are overweight, you can't carry as much.
I thought she was going to use her shirt to fix her food.
Hey Floor, great video. Would you mind sharing the company name of this ultra light backpack? Im looking for gear to do my first ever solo trip , Im planing Tour du Montblanc . Also, would appreciate your expertise on shoes. When I do day hikes, I wear a hiking boots however after 2 hours my feet start to feel very uncomfortable, I find that boots awkward and heavy, sometimes I wonder if just running shoes wouldn't be more soft on the feet. Do you recommend any type of shoes for TMB ? Thank you so much, loving your videos and I already subscribed. ;)
Hiya. I recently did the South downs way, 100 miles covering 25 miles per day. I wore Altra lone peak 4 trail shoes and only had one tiny blister. The pack she has here is from a company called atom packs u.k.
I hope this helps!
It's the Atompacks Atom+ she also mentioned it in her gear video
No socks...because they stink..... I love you.....so true.
"I choose this company because is in the UK, so it's in Europe"
Boi, that didn't age well. I have to pay customs in Ireland for that bag 😢
Hi floor, could you write down the manufacturer of the pack you showed. Can't make out the name in the video. Thanks!
Hey Johan! It's 'Atom Packs', a British company :)!
Initially read the thumbnail as "Gearino" and was really confused.
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sorry - but at ~~ 8th minute you were talking about "cold s___ing" whats the word? I cannot understand it from voice as im not native english, could you write it please?
Hello! It's called 'cold soaking', which means that you don't use a stove and instead let your food soak in cold water for some time until it's ready to eat :).
That percent shouldn't be from the body weight that we should have (based on the height and age) and not the actual body weight? If I have 10kg more than I should've had, that means that I'm adding even a bigger load that my body will be forced to process.
Could never face cold soaking. It's not even cold, it's ambient. Yuk!
In general, the hiking backpack should weigh around 10% of the hiker's body weight (not 20%) even though this rule is just a general guideline.
I wish I could sleep on my stomach
Hi, why did you cut the angles of the pad ?
Hey! I do it to save a liiiiiiiittle bit of weight, but most of all to smallen the risk of it getting stuck behind a tree/plant/rock/... :)
That is a nice 'guide' to follow but not realistic. At 1:01 you talk about the bruses. That is because your backpack is to large for your body. It has less to do with the weight. Also; My girl is 56kg, so she could only carry max 11kg. How are you able to pack her bag with; sleepingbag, food, water, clothing, tent, etc with only 11kg as max weight? Its not realistic however, its a good guide but not more than that. Look at your backpack, if the bruses are the case, decrease the size between the hipbelt and your shoulders.
Easier if u train harder, body becomes used to it, military carry 30lb to 30kg, and do large mileage daily, it’s all about training getting fitter for purpose
True but they’re carrying weight because they need to. Most thru hikers or hikers in general don’t need to carry weapons, ammo, radios, batteries, grenades, etc. So if you don’t need to carry weight like that why train to do so? Also, speaking from experience carrying that sort of weight has long term effects on your joints.
20% is not any kind of real thing...
ur pretty