Chopin LOST his magic?! 😱 | Garrick Ohlsson
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- čas přidán 14. 05. 2023
- Garrick Ohlsson shares the secret ingredient that Chopin uses to casts a spell on the listener in his Nocturne in D-flat Major, Op. 27 No. 2.
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It's amazing how a simple uninteresting melody becomes so deep and passionate when some simple dynamics, or a particular bassline or rhythm is applied. Not just in this particular piece, but in any music in general.
I think it is more nuanced than what you said. I would say that the piano leans towards percussion without any possibility of controlling the release of the notes. So on a violin you can express the melody fully using dynamics rather than pressing on piano keys. I would also say that the earliest records we have in music history are that of the gregorian chants so we know that the first instrument we (humans) discovered is our own voice, so melodies always were sung with dynamism and expressivness using our own voice. SO in a a way the piano is kind of an unnatrual instrument if it were used solely for melodies because of its limitations. The "uuninetersting" adjective you used i say is correct because when you hit a note on the piano the sound wave immediately decays and drops whereas if someone is singing or playing the violin they can sustain the note and express it in a fuller kind of way. So when you press the pedal, it sustains and prolongs all the note/soundwaves which creates this cacophony of singing sound waves that our ears enjoys. All this to say that the melody is also beautiful
The melody is purely genius!
I think a lot of the genius behind music like this is how the composer will use, harmonic progression to create a sense of direction and not just a mood. Harmony is almost heard on a subconscious level and is what I often find tugging at my heart.
@@TheTeeProd I’ve been a guitarist for 40 plus years. Never played piano nor do I know much about classical music. I also don’t know music theory. Although I get the basic gist of your reply, I’m afraid I don’t have the musical wisdom you do, so I’m only going to thank you for the response without trying to pretend I know what you’re talking about. LoL. I do know, however, that lately I have been discovering classical music, and I am quickly falling in love with it.
@@TheTeeProdGregorian chants are most definitely not the first music we have records of
One of the many reasons why Chopin is my favorite composer
People who try to dismiss Chopin as just a "piano composer" are so sad. He was a partial contemporary of Beethoven and used harmonies that would have even made Ludwig squirm. The man saw the future.
It's not really valid to call Chopin a partial contemporary of Beethoven when only one of his opus-numbered pieces was published before Beethoven wrote his last piece. Chopin was only 17 when Beethoven died and he had only composed a few things before that point
@@quarkonium3795 Hence "partial".
but that’s exactly what he was lol
what harmonies did he use that would have even made Ludwig squirm?
Give me some examples of those harmonies. Just curious
@@jonathan130see the coda of his 4th ballade and the 4th movement of his 2nd sonata which both border on atonality
When you understand music at this level you must really feel the music.
Thank you...such a brilliant demonstration for comparison between the Classical and Romantic styles...
I love Chopin. Just amazing pieces of music
Arguably his finest piece. I do suspect though that Haydn or Mozart would do more with the melody
One of my favourites too. Definitely the best Nocturne out of the set.
@@JacobDTulio 37 no1 takes cake for me
I agree, unbeaten!
More staccato, scales, and trills
Which Nocturne is this please?
It's so interesting when you tell the story like that. Brilliant composer Chopin was
hearing this piece for the first time changed the course of my life. Summer after Freshman year of college. Walking around UT Austin campus listening on my CD player & headphones. Kissin was playing. One of those rare moments where life's direction altered in an instant.
Notes sustaining, dancing around each other at the same time, will turn a line into far more than the sum of its parts in a magical way, especially with a well written piece for it. I'm less of a pianist and more of an electric guitarist, but that's so true in the guitar world as well (you can use a delay pedal with longer delay on a guitar to do very similar things to the effect we hear in Chopin's music here).
l love these insider insights. Reading this in a book is not the same without the demo. Thanks, maestro.
I love listening to this gentleman speak, he's so witty. Chopin's Nocturnes changed me from a half-interested young piano student into a lover of Chopin and eventually all orchestral music. I thank my wonderful piano teacher, may she Rest In Peace.
Chopin is my favorite to play AND to listen to, him, Rach and Liszt
W take
L take imo, sounds like someone who recently graduated from gen z and stumbled upon piano thinking the flashy ones with fast tempo are the best cause they have the patience of me waiting in front of the microwave.
@@WasiulWahid-ot7cj I mean Liszt has a lot of flashy pieces but Chopin and Rach have a very wide variety of pieces ranging from flashy to romantic pieces, slow, sad, upbeat, so I wouldn't say that Chopin rach and Liszt are only flashy pieces
@@WasiulWahid-ot7cj You think Liszt only has fast and flashy pieces? You're the one who only knows those famous flashy pieces lol. I can name at least 10 slow and quiet Liszt pieces.
note to self... remember to step on the pedal once n a while
That's why style is very important in piano playing.
The two composers may write similar notes but how you play them makes the difference between who is who.
Chopin's decision for the bass makes it so much more beautiful and magical!
Chopin was an amazingly pianistic composer. He was the vanguard and adamantine force behind the transition of pianoforte from a percussion to a sonorous and lyrical instrument.
So much of piano only existed AFTER Chopin did it.
From the C#m glissandi to the black note etude or the C# Fantasy Impromptu octave leaping stream as scintillating yet also a single silk thread- his pianistic technology was transformative.
I remember being a child and reading the etudes and looking around confused that 1) there was no one to celebrate with me this great magic on the page, no one seemed to notice and 2) even when I’d explain it people weren’t impressed.
I’m talking about someone CREATING ENTIRE UNIVERSES and everyone was more obsessed with their coffees
The fact this channel got Garrick for content is amazing. ❤
Have u heard him attacking Prokofiev 3? Rach 3?
Now I know why I went straight from Bach to Chopin 🤭😄🤭😄🤭
That’s unfair 😂 He was playing like a plonker on purpose
@@JohnSmith-oe5kx he was.
Bach is fire wdym?!?
@@cjadventures8840 Are you referring to my Bach-Vivaldi Short videos? If so, by "Fire Edition" I simply mean crazily fast fff, as opposed to a scholarly Baroque approach! 🙃
❤ Chopin
Amazing. Thanks for posting!
Favorite nocturne ❤️👂❤ Took me decades to get up the nerve to finally learn it. I easily could have in high school but I think I was intimidated by all the changes in the left hand figure. Seemed too complex for some reason. Even though I easily memorized other pieces of similar complexity.
Chopin - The one and only!! He is always in my first place❤❤❤❤
Thank you so much for that insight! It was so simple that an uneducated music lover could understand it immediately, but it sheds light on so much. I had never realised that the sustain pedal was so much at the heart of the difference between 18th century and 19th century piano music.
I LOVE CHOPIN SOOOO MUCH❤❤❤
Thank you, maestro. This is also a magic pedagogy.
I'm super happy I discovered these shorts
For those who don’t know; Chopin was heavily inspired by opera; which is why his melody works where it wouldn’t with Mozart; because he was trying to fit the voice of 50 instruments into a single piano piece… which is why his prices can be so complex in how he conveys voices and sounds
Will never forget listening to Ashkenazy playing this as an encore at a recital.
I think the tempo here is slightly rushed, and I would prefer some more rubato in the right hand, but that is my personal taste.
It is one of my favourite of his nocturnes.
Thanks for showing us. The Chopin way is kind of spellbinding, wrapping us in a rich sound fabric
Wow, you're right. That is magic.
Even the joke was a good one
Love this!
Beautiful!!! details so intense n powerful not longer a knowledge of our times of how it all was born n progressed
Love this. I love Chopin
At first i thought huh??? Then listened to your whole explanation, thank you for the explanation and doing it in such a way that you hook a non-musician who loves the sounds created. Genius, thank you. I also now realize the leap from classical to the romantic eras.
My GOD!!!!!! THAT IS GORGEOUS!!!!!!!!
Thank you!!!
Ah....then we have the hands, the heart and soul of the pianist don't we!?😊
I want to see more of Mr. Ohlsson's Bosendorfer piano!
Beautiful piano. I love
A very good enlightening bad joke indeed! ❤
❤ this nocturne..
You are so right!
Mesmerizing! Sometimes I just go off to somewhere in the hinterlands while playing Chopin...the music continues.
K511 pretty Romantic for Mozart
I love it.!!! days Judy Corrette
What a genius ✨🎶✨
After seeing the actual transcription of the sheet music, I see why I don’t play this. Let me listen to it and I can!!!
Cool!! 💫
It's just like that. as a composer, I know one thing and that is that when you want to make great music, you can easily make great melodies and others (right hand), but the left hand is HARD to make fine and complex. Oh, how easily it always goes to repeating those three notes from that chord😂😭😂😂
Ohhh beautiful!! I want to play that piece now!😅
I fully agree. It's absolutely magical.
Mr Garrick,a huge fan of your playing. Prokofieff pl. His 3rd piano concerto. Your earlier performance was share magic in Ambler Campus.
Sheer magic
Ambient music is born
Anyone else aaaallllllmost hearing the piano section of Nick Drake's "Pink Moon" song in the Chopin piece's opening figure?😊
I remember when Mr bond met Mr stromberg in Spy who loved me
“When you out the pedal down…”
When Olsen puts the pedal down, it’s best to stand clear
Romanticism elevated piano music to new unseen before heights and is far superior to Classical.
Nice short lesson
Thanks for all... anyway... Garrick gave me the "key" for Op 25-n°11 using the side of little finger... it tooks me years to apply just one tip.
Thanks a lot for this video ! Is there a sheet music of this version ?
What about a beethoven version! ❤
Chopin is my reference. I know there were more music geniuses and respect them, but I feel that Chopin is just my favorite. I have sat and listened to many composers, but only Chopin's music have push me to know more and more of his works in a natural way.
Know it's my taste, someone else can feel the same with, say, Schubert. But my point is that I can see why he trascended.
The greatest composer
in your opinion of course. personally, i find the statement extremely influriating.
@@WasiulWahid-ot7cj I don't care about your opinion either. Absolutamente Insignificante.
@@trancosomarcus Legendary reply.
I love that
All the sustain pedal. My go to bail out lok
It is an art itself to master the piano pedals…🥸
Yes!
Don't blame Haydn and Mozart for not using something that didn't exist yet when they were alive
this magik
Nothing like a nocture shimmer
chopin is the greatest musician of human history
I disagree, I almost can't listen to his music.
Like for the Bösendorfer! Awesome piano
I swear, musicians trained in the style of European "classical music" are holding back the entire medium
What?
@@solstice871 with their often pompous intimidating and uninviting atmosphere. And the fact that compared to say, producers, they use way too many superlatives and generally use a lot of a words but end up saying nothing of any meaning other than their opinion
@@avivchotzen1300 That is a very old fashioned view. Classical musicians of the newer generations are much less elitist and that notion is very misinformed in the first place. There are always sour apples but the majority is very welcoming. As for their “superlatives” and words, it may seem extra but there is usually a lot of truth to it. I don’t get what you mean with producers either since they also have their own slew of jargon and terms that the average person wouldn’t understand..
@@solstice871 can only attest to those I met. And as for the jargon. Even for musicians it means nothing to say something is "magic"
@@avivchotzen1300 It makes sense in this context. You can distinctly hear the difference between his joke Mozart version of the piece and the way Chopin wrote it. He says magic because that’s where the beauty of the piece is, in the specific way Chopin composed the piece.
Garrick i know you how you play the studio n° 1 Op. 10 of Chopin.
Love it❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
It almost sounds like jazz to me
Master
Первый вариант хорошо подходит для клавесина. Наверное, там бы была своя магия ;)
Did you know that chopin had a brother who's name was Fryingpan
Hola Tony! Perdona pero cuando dices que sonemos funcionales a que te refieres?
Not a fan of your clickbaiting. The content stands on its own but perhaps you are not patient enough to allow for it to grow without lessening it’s message with this distorted clarion call…? I still love you though. Just an opinion, that’s all.
His first example is straight no feeling mechanical. So while taking his point he nonetheless might have made the first example musical to be a fair comparison.
I don’t understand the title joke ? What exactly did Chopin do wrong to lose his magic ? You didn’t clearly explain this !
I might be in the very small minority here, but I actually like the “Haydn/Mozart” joke version.
I think it comes from an internalised distaste for the piano’s refinement and the decline of the harpsichord. If anything, I think it’d be weird to say I may like Romantic pieces more if played on a harpsichord. 😅
You just helped me sell a coin, thank you 🙏.
I wanna go to SCHOOL!!!❤😢
Uhh Mozart played a fortepiano, with much fewer keys (76?) and straight strung wires (no frame or high tension). Basically a harpsichord with hammers instead of a plectrum. Not a fair comparison. Mozart was the first to break into the Romantic era with his Piano Concerto No. 20…can you imagine him living another 40 years with a modern piano?
I... kind of liked the first example? Not saying the original isn't better, but that version is definitely nice.
It would have sounded better if he wanted to play it well.
@@pjbpiano That's something I was thinking about, too. I'm also not big on the fact that he suggests the "Haydn/Mozart" version is inherently bad.
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Is not the pedal to be honest, is the arpeggio which is different from the first he played
Andantino - 3:54
wow without pedal Chopin isn't Chopin I knew
I actually think a proper classical interpretation would be very interesting and worthwhile, if as much effort was put into it as the traditional one. Different kind of magic, but still great.
Im a little confused. Take pretty much any piece that uses pedal and it will sound bad when you take the pedal away. But you dont then say wow this composer was a magic genius for using pedal markings here.
What? What a difference. Thank you.
Abracadabra
That is what Haydn is compared to Chopin = a bad joke...
People with perfect pitch are probably throwing up rn, you won't understand why unless you have one 💀
bruh thats gotta be the dumbest shit ive heard
perfect pitch doesnt require anything to be tuned for you to hear which note is being played