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Newcastle United claimed a historic 4-1 victory over PSG in their first Champions League game at St James Park in 20 years.
They’re still unbeaten in the Champions League despite being drawn in a group of death with PSG, AC Milan and Dortmund. They’ve also turned their Premier League slow start around with wins over Burnley and Sheffield United.
While the scoreline was dominant on Wednesday night, was the result a fair reflection of where the Newcastle project is currently at? JJ Bill and Jon Mackenzie discuss if Eddie Howe’s side are as good as their European conquest suggests
Time Stamps:
0:00 Intro
00:00:32 How has Eddie Howe made Newcastle good?
00:01:58 How Newcastle build up
00:07:00 Newcastle's line up & what similarities do they show with Liverpool
00:09:54 How did PSG set up in their defeat to Newcastle
00:11:36 Do you agree Luis Enrique?
00:12:13 What impact does Newcastle's press have on PSG
00:17:50 How Newcastle's press resulted in the first goal
00:24:18 ..Or was it the mistakes PSG made that allowed Newcastle to go a goal up
00:30:50 Is PSG's change to unfamiliar system to blame here
00:32:38 Whats you favourite kind of power?
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I'm quite surprised by John's analysis here. PSG were bad and made bad decisions because of the Newcastle press, that's the whole thesis of 'Eddiepressing'. The system is entirely set up to make good players panic with tonnes of forward momentum and aggression and that results in turnovers that lead to chances. The players are insanely fit and well drilled and executed the manager's gameplan and system and got the win. That for me that is the definition of 'being good'
Exactly! It goes for a lot of different sports, keeping a team under pressure and forcing them to make quick decisions they don’t want to, eventually cracking and making mistakes.
It’s the same for Gaelic football, Hurling, Rugby, American football etc.
I agree to an extent but it’s impossible to ignore that PSG only had 2 out balls in midfield with none of there forwards having any interest him dropping back to create options. It was a perfect blend of great closing down from the forward line of Newcastle and PSG not having a clue!
For example you couldn’t do this for long stretches against Man City they would pass through the press meaning the forwards would have to drop back to defend.
Either way brilliant win by Newcastle 💪🏽!
It was the same when we played Man City in the cup. 1st half we didn't press them and they just passed it about. 2nd half we pressed them high up and they started to make mistakes. It's good but requires so much fitness and team work to pull it off.
@@All3cannonsAgreed. PSG got it all wrong from a tactical perspective and we've certainly seen teams like City and Brighton 'beat' the press this season. High risk/high reward systems always have exploits, that's why they're called high risk! But to say PSG lost despite Newcastle's tactics rather than because of them as Jon suggests is verging on disingenuous.
@@pt4387if you’re mentioning Man City’s cup team you are being dishonest 😅. What happened at the Etihad in the league when they played their full team? You can pressure them but only in moments not all the time or they will kill you!
Against PSG you could effectively play with the handbrake off.
Newcastle fan here. Even though we had 27% possession. I never really felt like we weren't in control of the game. For me John has missed the mark here. When you play against man city you can feel you don't have possession of the ball. It wasn't like that in this game
Couldn't agree more, if I had to guess what % of possession we had, it would it would of been more around 40% not 27. Just shows how hard our players worked all game.
Absolutely! Against Milan, I felt terrified any time they got the ball but never felt nervous in this game - apart from the VAR check
@@akamiguelsanchez9985because Milan didn’t play badly, PSG did… which is his point
Newcastle seem to struggle in the occasions where they do have more possession. We are not good at getting through a low block defense. i think that's something we need to really look at. PSG handed us a total gift coming at us like that. I wonder if they even bothered to watch any of the previous season's games.
You can tell JJ actually watched the game
John’s Analysis is miles off here. There is very little options for the PSG CBs, they have to go high/long which did not work once all night due to the physicality of NUFC.
Also, why does he mention Brighton so much their results since the NUFC & MUFC games have been brutal?? Not prime Barca
Its like when you had to rush your school assignment and all your references are from a single peer reviewed paper lol.
The space was where the LB should have been pushing up.
I disagree with the presenter that it was a difficult pass, players should be capable of that
@@jun3078 Or he's just interested and invested in Brighton, let's not assume ignorance off the bat lol
PSG had a massive 2 shots on target to Newcastles 8. Newcastle, without the ball, controlled the game from kickoff. Newcastle are good enough to manage that.
Yes! I said that too. I said that the Toon got PSG to do their running for them!
Newcastle xg : 0.94, PSG's xg : 0.93. Does that sound like a total domination to you? Stop looking at the shots on target cuz if PSG's forwards had their shots on target this game would've changed dramatically
+ what John said was confirmed pretty much by the screen he presented of the build up to the mistake that PSG made, pure individual error that made Newcastle's press look brighter than it is, and that exact press was gonna cause them a sure goal if dembele had hit the target in the 4th minute, and even after that chance PSG kept breaking the press and if they had better players in the buildup the score line would've been the other way around
@@anasselmansouri3956 did you even watch the game it was all newcastle the PSG forwards didnt shoot off target because they're not clinical
@@kwame1637 yes I watched the game, what you don't understand is that a game of that level is decided by one mistake, and that's for me what won Newcastle the game. They literally came with one single plan and that is to press, if their press was broken efficiently they would've lost the game in the same way they did against Brighton
As a makem I hate to admit it, but I'm glad Newcastle are doing so well. The city, the whole area, desperately needed a boost and this has really brought Newcastle as a city together
I was glad to see you lot in the playoffs last season as well, miss having a derby in the prem, although it might be a bit more one sided nowadays 🤷🏼
The things Saudi blood money can do to an area. Truly heartwarming ❤❤❤
@@dannycullen1618 we ain’t even on the top clubs level of spending. 😂😂 honestly jealousy is heartwarming x
@@dannycullen1618cry more
@@andrewmetcalfe6943 cringe
Jon Mackenzie - read this:
"Cognitive dissonance is the *mental discomfort* that results from holding two conflicting beliefs, values, or attitudes. People tend to seek consistency in their attitudes and perceptions, so this conflict causes *unpleasant feelings of unease or discomfort* . The inconsistency between what people believe and how they behave motivates them to engage in actions that will help minimize feelings of discomfort. People attempt to relieve this tension in different ways, such as by *rejecting, explaining away, or avoiding new information* .
Here's how it works in this case:
Thought: "Newcastle aren't that good, they're overrated, they are in the CL by accident, they are in the group of death, Mbappe will destroy them".
Reality: Newcastle 4, PSG 1.
Response: "PSG were terrible, the result wasn't because Newcastle were any good, it was because PSG failed, Newcastle still aren't any good, I don't want to believe that".
This video is essentially 33 minutes and 51 seconds of pure cognitive dissonance in action.
The big thing that led to PSG being so hesitant and ineffective going forward, is that Newcastle's defensive shape gave them nothing even when they got over the top of the press. The focus on the front line of the press alone omits that. Also, every time Newcastle beat someone, everyone goes on about how crap the other team wese. It makes you think, maybe Newcastle are good at making teams play badly?
Every team has that though when they beat teams, theirs always people who say the other team played badly, it's not unique to Newcastle, it's just your turn to deal with it. Take as a compliment.
How many teams lose and play well? Not many, so obviously you have to highlight both the winning teams good and the losing teams bad, otherwise you can’t have a concrete analysis of the game in its entirety
Cognitive dissonance.
@@nickchivers9029 Unless it's Brighton then they are the best team with the smartest manager. Though tbf they are good!
@@nickchivers9029yes but if man city beat psg 4-1 the story would be some iteration of man city domination on the night. But because it’s Newcastle. PSG must have played a major part in their own doenfall
Strange to base almost the whole opinion on the game based on 4 seconds of play and take half an hour discussing all of the other options he had in those 4 seconds 😂
For the first goal John stated any team in the top 5 leagues could escape that, yet the only pass on other than through the line is a cross field worldie that not even Marquinhos could make...
Add PSG to an ever growing list of teams having a 'bad day' against United.
Ahhhh yes, the foolproof Brighton plan which is pure kryptonite to Newcastle's pressing system. The plan which has resulted in them winning a massive 1 out of 4 games since Eddie Howe took over, on a day where Newcastle played almost the worst I've seen us in the last year.
Newcastles tactics were spot on. Johns argument was basically PSG could pass their way out of the press. The poor decision making was caused by pressure on the ball these tactics worked so many times last season for Newcastle. if it was so easy to circumnavigate Newcastles press they wouldn't have finished 4th in the Prem It's not playing turn based football and players get to minutes to plot their next move, the hero balls and bad decisions from PSG were caused by the press. The Brighton tactics argument may hold up if every pass is perfect one but for Newcastle its a percentage game , the hard press and counter tactics are rewarding them more often than not.and creating a narrative around Brighton as the tactics to counter Newcastle is a bit lazy. Is it because they're the only team to beat Newcastle by more than 1 goal? 7 out of 10 times Newcastle would scalp Brighton using the same tactics,
Let's not forget they met in May at SJP where Newcastle tore Brighton a new one winning 4-1.
And in pre-season where Newcastle won 2-1 but that doesn't really count, I'll admit.
More than that the Brighton game had Burn at CB and nobody in the Longstaff role in midfield. Most of the space Brighton had in that game came down to that.
I think the error that Jon's made here is that he's assuming a perfect player in perfect conditions. But Marquinhos was in this situation perhaps 20 or 30 times in this match, with a roaring crowd behind him and has had 4 seconds not only to make a pass but to identify a pass and make it while on his weak foot. He doesn't want to play the ball back because PSG are set up not to rotate the ball around the back but to break through the high press. Isak and Gordon are also coming towards him quite suddenly and while a pass to the two pivots would be possible it's by no means a clear pass - the midfielders are still ultimately behind Gordon and Isak and while they should move into space, they don't - the picture is rather misleading that way. It's not helped by the fact that Marquinhos has four seconds to actually observe the movement they're making, while the space that he has to make the pass is constantly closing. All in all, I just mean to say that the odds are high that Marquinhos makes this mistake at some point in the match and that is due to the conditions created by the Newcastle press and the crowd. Jon's looked at this with too much of the analyst's eye and hasn't put himself in Marquinhos's shoes, I think.
Newcastle had double the xg, double the progressive actions and more than double the shots/high value chances vs PSG, its no coincidence that PSG were bad on 4 occasions that led to 4 goals (if we were to base on John's analysis) but instead its Newcastle's intense, proactive pressing that led to PSG's "bad play" and the smoothness on the transition from Newcastle is what led to the goals. Superb performance.
Being better than psg ≠ being an amazing team.
Double the xg? Where do you get your data from lmao? Their xg was a dramatic 0.94
they have roughly the same xg bruh
Whenever Newcastle beat a top team its always ohh “top team” werent at it they just didnt turn up. Its never Newcastle were so good they made “top team” unable to play. 🤣 Eventually people will get it.
I see Brighton been used as a positive example a lot here. The fact is that it works for Brighton on a good day but they also seem to have been found out with only 1 win and a draw in their last 5.
Agreed. When Brighton beat Newcastle earlier this season they were absolutely brilliant, but the speed and level of precision they needed to have in their passing to make it work was very high risk and was what made their performance so impressive. When the passing is slightly off or they come up against a counter-attacking team it falls apart a bit.
I think it's important to acknowledge that 3 out of the 4 teams they've lost too recently play a counter-attacking style. And for the most part (excluding Chelsea), Brighton play very well against these aggressive, high pressing teams. It's when the opposition is built around maximizing these counter-attacking opportunities that their formation falls apart and they lose 6-1. And even though they are in a slump at the moment which is compounding this issue, I think writing their performance off against Newcastle as them being "on a good day" discredits the top notch play they have shown against teams that don't exploit their biggest weakness. Again, no idea how they lost to Chelsea of all teams, but this is my two cents.
Its not been 'found out' though. Brighton's style of play has always been optimal against 'good' teams. Where they struggle is to break down teams who are content to sit back and not be baited to press Brighton.
I do think there is clearly an element of how good each team are on the day too. Brighton were good in possession and Newcastle off it with their press at the Amex this season. Conversely Newcastle were excellent with their press and Brighton were off it at St James at the end of last season. It shows that there can be relatively small differences that can add up to drastically different scorelines, and also could be used to make a case for home advantage.
Newcastle fan here. Would like to point out that newcastle played particularly badly that day at Brighton. 2 really bad individual mistakes that lead to goals plus the 3rd goal was just poor defending from central midfield. Cut out the two bad mistakes and that game would have potentially ended differently. The mistakes we made were uncharacteristic for us.
Nice to have Luis Enrique join the show 👏🏼
Judging from his analysis, they bashed him over the head to get him into the studio
PSG's bad decisions were forced by Newcastle . . that is the story here.
Lets remember that if PSG were weaker because they changed to try to counter Newcastle it's because they were worried about the threat the Newcastle were going to cause. That in itself is an error caused by the specific strengths of Newcastle. Enrique decided if PSG played their normal game it would get beaten by Newcastle. In the end yes they changed and weren't good enough at the new style they tried to play but in itself the fact Enrique felt the change was needed is testament to how good Newcastle are. PSG's choice was play their normal way and probably get beaten or try to adapt and beat Newcastle by countering them. In the end Enrique probably made the wrong call, Newcastle were too good at what they were doing and PSG were not good enough at what they tried to do.
Pressed into submission and rattled by the intensity of the crowd. Two young central midfielders (Zaire-Emery did well, but Ugarte was poor throughout.) Mbappe/Dembele were rarely able to isolate Trippier and Burn and when they did, Lascelles or Schar mostly saw out the danger.
There were a lot of hallmarks of Brighton's 4-1 dismantling at SJP in May.
With all the talk of the Brighton result I'm surprised that the demolition of them in May was completely forgotten about.
Newcastle manager learns quickly from his defeat rather than MAN united Ten hang
Its one thing to recognize ur opponent and try to play very smart to ur advantage which becomes ur opponents disadvantage
Ten Hag : I know it didn't work previously but let's try again.
@@pijesz to rigid with his tactics
Mackenzie refusing to give Newcastle any credit as if Marquinhos would have made the same errors against practice dummies.
Interesting if very dry dull analysis, some of which is accurate. Did John see the same match as everyone else...little mention of the atmosphere, there is a physicality to an intense crowd which affects players. The brilliant committed teamwork and graft of Newcastle. The lack of aggression, passion and graft from PSG..Mbappe looked disinterested to me. Football is a team game, when will that dawn on PSG. Basically not enough credit given to Eddie Howe and his team. If he was a foreign coach he would be appreciated much more, he has transformed a number of run of the mill players into high performers. That takes real coaching ability, charisma, man management and good judgement. Plus the club policy of not recruiting any dickheads. For all the talent, skill and ability of Mbappe he just looks bored and dead eyed...what a waste. If Football could be tactically explained it would be akin to a scientific or engineering project it is a sport where personal character, guts, randomness and luck play a part....that and a round bag of air..lighten up John.
Exactly. Anthony Gordon is a much better fit than Mbappe. No passengers allowed.
Why would you mention a crowd in a tactical analysis? Also you are acting as if this PSG team hasn’t played against more hostile crowds such as Marseille. If crowds are this important then everyone in that group will win every home game as they all have great crowds
@@nameanteater4772because the crowd clearly affected their decision making with routine passes becoming pressured which clearly showed on the pitch. Because Newcastle as a club clearly employ the ‘tactic’ of utilising the crowd to disrupt opponents (and ballboys and substitutes).
Your tactical analysis that includes only what they wanted to happen in a vacuum with no comparison to what actually happened sounds like a really cool and valuable way to asses football.
It was impressive to see the players playing off the crowd - even from minute 3 I saw Gordon pumping the crowd up, and saw players doing it throughout the game. Definitely a major factor in keeping the energy going for the full 90
You should make your own analysis video then
I posted this on another channel. I’m re-posting because Jon MacKenzie has fallen into the lazy trap:
“We have to be careful that we don’t focus on PSG losing the game, rather than Newcastle winning it. Last Wednesday, it was Man City in the League Cup. I turned my TV on, and it was 80% build up about City, with a whole section on Rico Lewis, who was pants and cost City the goal. This was a home game, with a manager who can get the best out of players, some of whom (Lascelles) the great Benitez had.
This Wednesday, it was the same formula as last Wednesday. PSG were everywhere, and very little build up on Newcastle. The PL is the toughest league in the World (after the Championship) not necessarily because of quality of player, but of quality of team. For NU to go from relegation, to 12th in half a season, taking big scalps along the way, then 4th and the CL in its first post-takeover full season, is sensational. So why focus on a group of individuals who only turn up for the money (like the MLS and the Saudi League)? Can we start focusing on Newcastle at least 50% of the time? (I realise in this video, there was great focus on NU, thanks JJ.).
The fact is, the difference is Eddie Howe. He is not just a great coach, but an amazing manager: ergo: he deploys his resources in the optimum configuration to efficiently and effectively achieve his objectives. (That by the way, is my definition of manager/management which I have taught to government officials and top execs from around the world). Simply put, it’s about getting the best out of every single player. Newcastle’s defence cost a total of £42m, including Pope…….that’s 21 weeks’ pay for Mbappé, the greatest player in the World…….apparently, according to lazy pundits and journalists.
Last week, against City, NU fielded a complete outfield 10, who didn’t play in the 8-0 thrashing of the Blades. City fielded, Grealish, Kovacic, Alvarez, Gvardiol, Akanje, and Aké, who are first team regulars. They even brought on the ex-Wünderkind, Foden. Yet it wasn’t NU beating a City side who had 60% of its normal starting outfield, but a Newcastle side beating a weak City side! The focus wasn’t in players like Dummett and Lascelles who haven’t had a single start for Newcastle in 13 months and the great journalists of the World said were finished because of PIF cash! It wasn’t about Livramento (who was the man of the match). It was about Rico Lewis. The “experts” said “Grealish is back from injury,” as if that’s an excuse for another winger to have been destroyed by Newcastle. Clubs don’t allow multi-million pound assets to rush back to play, experts, do you not know that…..oh, Joelinton, came back from injury in that same game and dominated.
Sports journalists and football pundits need to demonstrate to me and others, they actually know what they’re talking about. Teams don’t play badly, they are forced into errors and playing badly, by a superior opposition (on the night). That superiority comes not from a price tag, but from physical fitness, commitment, discipline (in behaviour and following tactics) hard work, collective and individual belief, selflessness and great leadership on and off the pitch. NU to my mind, is the only top flight team, that has this recipe correct.”
Impressive things about Newcastle's approach:
1) They press really high but when teams break through their press they're really good at reacting to that that and getting back behind the ball in numbers.
2) They play out from the back as often as they can but they very rarely lose goals by losing the ball near their own goal like a lot of other teams do. They're very conservative in the way they do it and they don't think twice about going long if they feel they are at risk.
Saw some other analysis which talked about, the way Gordon bent his run to press Marquinhos from outside to in, meant he had to take the ball on his left (weaker) foot, which limited his options back the keeper and other centre back. They said that's why he went for the lifted "hero" pass which was cut out by Bruno. Still not sure if that means Newcastle were excellent or PSG were poor tho!
I believe thats AG's footballing iq right there to press from stronger foot in, hes a natural presser.
@@jun3078 Also coaching. From what I can tell Gordon has really bought fully into the Howe philosophy and is really good at applying the massive amount of coaching, endless studying of videos on the opponent and tactical setups on the pitch.
That is pretty standard pressing. It means there is a cover shadow so that the player he was marking is still out of contention for a pass whilst he applies pressure on the ball carrier
@@QuotidianStupidity it is, you're right. But Newcastle usually press from inside to out. They switched from outside to in for this match to cut off the channel pass to Dembele/Mbappe because PSG went with 4 up front and Newcastle's back line had to mark them as man for man. Newcastle also wanted the ball in the centre, where they had the overload in midfield.
@@jun3078it’s definitely a coaching thing, ever since Eddie came in I’ve seen willock, Almiron all doing that curved run when pressing.
30:54 - it's like football gets in the way of TiFo analysis
The basis of johns opinion was that PSG hadn't payed that system before and where unfamiliar with it meaning Newcastle weren't good PSG were bad. But that's just incorrect PSG have played that system for there last two fixtures.
Noticed a number of times before that Jon seems to lack the ability to give NUFC/Howe any credit so his analysis here is no surprise at all tbf.
As a Newcastle fan, I thought this was an interesting discussion. I really appreciate John's thoughtful, meticulous, maddeningly-rational analysis even if I don't agree with his conclusion. Context matters. Yes, PSG made bad decisions and had opportunities to hurt Newcastle that weren't capitalized on but that didn't happen in a vacuum. Newcastle's game plan takes risks; they gamble on their ability to create situations that unsettle their opponents and make errors much more common, and they are constantly looking to jump on any opportunity to score. Dan Burn's goal wasn't the result of a tactical masterclass. It was just Newcastle regained possession of the ball in the box and God help anyone who got in Dan Burn's way. Mentality and intensity are huge parts of what makes Newcastle so good. They aren't foolproof and perhaps a better drilled team would have done better coping with the pressure but Newcastle aren't the only team to play counterpressing football against PSG and the lack of those drills hasn't caused a 4-1 loss against those teams. So Newcastle must be doing something right.
Really fascinating to hear this approach to tactical analysis / game state analysis. Shows how much of it is still debatable and inexact as you can see the same image and feel two opposing things. It's like looking at a painting or some other better analogy. Love the video and the format. Not clickbaity, not opinions for the sake of opinions, just legitimate analysis from both sides. Much love!
'Controling chaos' is what I imagine a night out with JJ would look like. He's all over the place, making friends everywhere he goes
Hmm, John makes valid arguments but Nufc tactics meant PSG absolutely had to bring their A game to statistically have a chance at completing those 'hero balls'.
The key word here is 'statistically'. Litterally, Nufc played a numbers game to load the chances in their favour. Until they have the personnel to play total football, this was probably their best shot at a result. One which paid off. So, it's a bit mean spirited not to hand it to them imho.
As for PSG not having time to implement their new tactics... err, who in football management doesn't prepare for a Champs league game??? Nah, Howe got his tactics spot on and the players executed them almost perfectly
Jon Mackenzie is a mackem confirmed 😅
Howay the lads , still buzzing from Wednesday 🖤🤍
Just admit it. Newcastle are good! Energy, drive, determination, working as a team, pressing, squeezing, laying traps, utilising space, pace in attacking areas and Eddie's plans. Suck it up boys, Newcastle are becoming a force. With RCB cover in January and a young striker the whole team has cover and will keep on improving. HWTL
They lost to Man City & Liverpool by 1 goal each & were only actually beaten by Brighton. They’ve made smart signings & it seems that the boys play for each other & love the fans!
I think liverpool and man city did "actually" beat them mate, the former with 10 men even. Not saying they aren't good, but them being only "actually" beaten by brighton simply isn't true
@@mobiustripleI mentally added the word “decisively”
@@mobiustriple if you actually watched those matches you’d understand that they were way closer than the score says. That’s why they were by 1 goal differences & the last match against City was a 1-0 win. Ferguson had a freak game & hasn’t done much else since then. They haven’t been convincingly beaten by anyone. Some more signings & those weak spots will be strong.
@@kevinrod14 We were decisevly beaten by Brighton and City were well worth the 1-0 win. The Liverpool game was a bit of a freak event, so I kinda agree with that one.
And love the Saudi money
I can't take Jon's analysis of Newcastle seriously ever again after that horrendously misinformed tactical analysis video I'm sure we've all seen.
Which one was that?
Which one
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I like John’s analysis just because it’s so wrong but clearly the prevailing attitude. Newcastle ran over Brighton last year. This season we lost to Brighton on back of the Liverpool freak defeat that took a lot from the team. The PSG game was a continuation of 2nd half against City… it’s high-risk football Newcastle play but they know physically if the team they are playing starts having to lift the ball to escape the press we are usually taller (Burn, Botman, Joelinton, Isak) and quicker than our opponents. I prefer that we aren’t seen as that good… this team has lost like single figure number of games over last 2 seasons. The reason isn’t because we play lots of poor teams.
This was great, I loved to see how you explained together and how you took advantage of being together to also explain the points you didn't agree on.
Don't have an issue with the longer format, quite the opposite (maybe it's because I'm a (sad about the PIF ownership but trying to enjoy the good times) Newcastle fan) but I could have stayed for another half hour
Yes, it would make sense to shift into a 'situational back three' with Dan Burn, but that absolutely isn't what we do in possession
Yes, we do. That's why Trippier gets a free license to bomb forward on the opposite wing as Dan Burn provides the cover between LB & LCB which pushes Botman to the middle and Schar between RCB & RB.
Honestly, there is just no point debating these points with someone who is clearly just salty AF at the Toon's success. This dude can't accept on any level that Newcastle played well, everything good we did is always down to the oppositions mistakes. It was the same last season with analysis after games. Newcastle force mistakes and nervous energy though intensity, physicality and good off the ball decisions, its that simple.
@jonbetts3619 Yeah that john fella has always come across as very anti-Newcastle. I unsubbed a while back, couldn't be chewed with the negativity.
This isn't about how good Newcastle was or how bad PSG was. But how Newcastle used every possible mistake made by PSG to hit them starting from undercooked preparation of copying brighton strategy, the only reason brighton was able to beat Newcastle because every single player in brighton got drilled to play dezerbi tactical system that can pass through pressing team and Newcastle not having longstaff and botman who are 2 vital players severely affected them. Newcastle thrive on opponents mistakes and their ability to get the crowd backing them. They fully utilised everything that was available to them and also played a tactical game that thier players can flawlessly establish and hope they get chances to score which they did and cooked PSG
Football is easy in hindsight when played on a virtual footy pitch. Give credit when it’s due it’s really shouldn’t be that difficult for you
The logic…. They only won by winning the game….. if it wasn’t for those first two goals they wouldn’t be winning…… plonker
The great difference between PSG and Brighton IMO is their forwards: How much four forward players, all or a part, comes down and joins the passing build up and reduce the pressure of two pivot middle. Yesterday, all four PSG forwards were all just waiting around center line, instead of actively coming down to support two pivot middles. That created isolation of two pivots, easily surrounded by Newcastle middle and forwards. But when you see Brighton vs Newcastle, at least one or two Brighton forwards always approached to their two pivot middles, side or center, and release the pressure and rescue them, and continue the pass connection.
Painful watch, john will do anything to avoid giving Newcastle credit for beating psg 4-1 and still manages to bring up how wonderful Brighton are. JJ pushed back a little but I'm a bit fed up of the Newcastle analysis
33 minutes analysis, Newcastle are that good😂🔥
So 15 minutes of this analysis was for 4 seconds of play 😂 imagine talking about the game with John down the pub afterwards. You would be there for days
Id love to watch either of these two kick a ball around lol
Just noticed the Castolo shirt in the background! Clearly the best striker of all time! Unstoppable with his battering ram Ordaz and his supplier Minanda
8:18 "Trying to create chaos to create chances". As much as I loved Allan Saint-Maximin's fancy footwork and dribbling, the "chaos" he created was not suited to Howe-ball because it couldn't be reined in effectively
Looking at this PSG side against Newcastle, it painfully showed how weak Dortmund are this season
I’m surprised more people haven’t recognised Dortmund’s weakness for the last 4 years. The team will never achieve anything with the way they are playing and the way the club is run.
Well, we can't really say that, can we? They almost won Bundesliga last season after all. Yes, in the end they bottled as always when it counts, but they were by no means bad. This season looks wobbly already compared to the international competition @@bigrandomun9267
Finally they make a video on my squad!
Looking at individual mistakes in hindsight and saying ‘how I could have counteracted it’ isn’t constructive and is taking away from Newcastle’s set up which literally formulated into making these players make mistakes on the night. Nobody give us a chance before the match and mbappe was going to terrorise us and now you’re making excuses for the opposition for losing by a 3 goal margin.
I disagree as PSG staff would be watching the game back to see where they made mistakes and how they would prevent it next time. This video is a tactical analysis in my opinion it's not necessarily to show how good or bad either side was
@@Jur1_00 PSG staff. Not CZcamsrs. And not CZcamsrs trying to discredit the work that Newcastle did to force PSG into making these mistakes. They’ve also only analysed one goal, what about the other 3?What about the set piece, what about the off the ball running and pass for the 3rd, what about the high press that wins the ball for the 4th before suggesting it was PSGs mistakes. They aren’t analysing the full picture to give a nuanced argument.
Yes (for the first goal) a series of terrible decisions by PSG forced by Howe out thinking their manager who has told them how to play, plus the high intensity press. The only terrible decisions in football are those where the other team isn't involved. If the other team is involved, then it's good play from them and bad play from the team with the ball. Simples!
Can’t this video be summarised as:
JJ: Newcastle pressed hard and were well rewarded at home against PSG as a result.
John: Yeah, but Brighton…
TLDR: John and JJ discuss 4 seconds of football for 34 minutes.
TL/DR Newcastle changed the way they pressed. PSG copied Brightons successful game plan against Newcastle. So in conclusion either Brighton are better than PSG (because PSG couldn’t execute what Brighton did) or Newcastle executed a good game plan by adapting their pressing to nullify the strengths of a different opponent.
You say it worked for brighton but when they tried it at st james back end of last season they got hammered 🤷♂️
Tifo IRL late 2023: Jon McKenzie tactics discussion. Love it haha
Anyone know where to get the framed shirt prints in the background ?
I don’t get what John is arguing here, Newcastle weren’t good because they left some space 15 minutes in? You don’t beat a team 4-1 without playing well!
What is the software they use to show the tactics??
Against Brighton, Newcastle had an unbalanced line up with injured and off form players compounding Brighton’s good tactics
Bro that title is a madness LOL
i think the build up shape of psg was just bad and felt outdated. It felt like a worse brighton shape because the players were trying to play in the wider areas instead of the center even though the distance between the fullbacks and literally any other player other than the centerback was so large. If you were the full back you either pass it to Marquinhos and let him eat the pressure or try a ranged pass that is more risky.
any team can be played through, it's like calling water wet. sometimes it's just really hard to
does anyone know the screens they use in their videos?
Because an intense crowd affects players as stated and in my humble opinion it affect PSG . That is my contribution to the tactical analysis ..that’s why home teams tend to have an advantage and if you have ever stood on a pitch in front of 55,000 bouncing people you would feel it .
Please bring the podcast back.
up the tooon!!
Such a poor video - and the first Newcastle United one for 3 months! Why analyse a single incident and liken it to Brighton for so long? There were 3 other goals, including Bruno's superb cross, Trippier's fantastic pass to an underlapping Sean Longstaff, a wonderful piece of brilliance from Schaer reflecting some fantastic determined hard work and graft across the entire team. We out-worked PSG and it paid off in spades.
And that sneering comment about Lascelles! Poor.
I WIsh I could hear these conversations for even longer
My man wearing a 'Patrick' fleece. Real football heads know about Patick from back in the day lol. 👌🏾🤝🏾
have seen my first game in the old 1st division
Been waiting for this. Best in the game alongside JLA.
The PSG plan was simple - just keep the ball within ourselves as they have got 4 with only 27% of possession.
Psg only had 2 shots on target, pope could've literally not been there and we still would've won
Jon mate, you don’t always have to try hard to go against the narrative.
My favorite kind of power is the unchecked kind
John is horribly wrong on this one, Newcastle’s intensity created the pressure on the PSG players to make the mistakes they made.
Bit of a weird video this tbh. It's easy to sit here for 15 minutes and decide how to get out of a press, but that is the point of pressing - to cause panic and force rushed decisions. Yes PSG were not at their best but we played our game plan to a tee and absolutely battered them.
It’s become clear to me that French and Italian clubs are not used to getting pressed in their domestic leagues
The disrespect to Newcastle by bold know it all is unreal. RATTLED MUCH 😅. Keep on knocking the Toon . We are coming 🙌
We're already here :D They don't like it.
Bold or bald?
My goodness, they've overly analysed that first goal. Yet still left out so much context - jj did his best to mention the what had come before, the atmosphere etc but it was ignored.
Newcastle were very good. Aside from the opening, inc. the early Dembele chance, I felt they were in control of the game.
Looking at the first goal in isolation, mistakes were made by PSG but they weren't completely unforced. PSG made tactical and technical errors throughout but I don't think any team would've controlled it like Newcastle did.
Also, John keeps referring to the saintly Brighton, well Newcastle had as much as an off day as PSG did but I'd also say they learned from that. The flat 5 midfield midblock wasn't used at Brighton.
John is a bit unnecessarily contrarian sometimes
You have to love football stat hipsters lol. They won 4-1 football stat hipsters "but if you look at stats they got lucky". These stats nutters are reason Bournemouth where there are.
There is a reason why John is sitting here doing poor analysis on youtube and not coaching irl. Must've just watched the highlights of the game
I think John is too far down the statistics rabbithole. He always speaks in hypotheticals or 'on paper' scenarios rather than just acknowledging the actual motions of the match
Bit one-dimensional analysis from John here. Newcastle beat PSG because PSG made mistakes but imply that Brighton beat Newcastle solely through their tactical and technical ability... Newcastle were absolutely shocking that day. 90% of defeats are through errors of one form or another.
Why so desperate to starve Howe of credit?
Good analysis, but I decided to give the Sportswashing Human Rights derby a miss on the night
A cold wet Wednesday night in Tyneside has become the new can the do it on a cold rainy night in Stoke
I’m all for it, bring on Dortmund Milan for a game of footy followed by a Greggs
Before Newcastle pumped PSG the narrative was Newcastle were going to get pumped. Since Newcastle won people are now saying well PSG aren't that good. Make your minds up.
All I can say is...Eddie Howe is one of the most underrated tacticians ever. I can safely say Newcastle's success is 20% Saudi oil 80% Howe mastermind.
Now i am admire Liverpool with 10 men win against Newcastle
Sorry? Only Isak and Guimares? Tonali, Trippier and Schar walk into that team