What Makes It Work? #32 GASOMETER gasworks TUBALCAIN
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A common operating pressure for natural gas appliances is around 7 inches of water column (WC) or re-stating this in equivalent measure, that's 14.9 millibars or 1743 Pascals or Pa, or about 0.25 psi (pounds per square inch) or about 4 ounces of pressure per square inch.
Thank you, I hope other people read this
Extending that a bit, the cross sectional area of the bucket is roughly 100 square inches. So a weight on top of about 100 X 0.25 = 25 lb or more would stop the bucket from rising. If the inner bucket is prevented from rising, then as gas enters it will force the water outside the bucket up until the water level outside is equal to 7 inches above the water level inside.
It's easy enough to measure your actual household gas pressure by filling a U-tube with water and connecting the gas supply to one side. The difference in the water levels in the U-tube gives the pressure.
They do not make them like you anymore..Great Video.
That might be a good thing
76 years later and I now know how they worked. THANK YOU Mr. Pete. Great demo.
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This was really interesting. I have seen many old pictures of gasometers and always wondered how they worked. Thanks for taking the time to set up a great demonstration.
Thank you Mr Pete.
That was probably the most interesting video I have seen in a long time and I watch a lot of YT. We appreciate the thought and work that you put in to doing this.
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Thank You Lyle....You and your ideas are a wonderful adventure to watch...TM
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i was born in 1958 in Chicago. I remember the huge one just off the Kennedy expressway at Irving park exit. This was around 1966 or 1967. Fascinating to look at and it was huge!
Great tutorial for those who were not around to see these in their city! Do not let the past e forgotten.
Thank you Mr Pete for taking the time to show us how a gasometer worked in old days. I just had a pleasant walk today and came across of some kind of interesting "skeletons" of the remains of the old times and could not figure out what they might have been. Now thanks to your video I learned something new! Million thanks!!!!
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1980 we referred to them as a natural gas holder or storage tank. Water sealed u shaped joints at the cup intersections. The job to monitor them during the freezing temps was holder man. They were used both as a storage medium and part of the mixing and scrubbing of various plant streams to clean and process them up so then would be sent to the grid. Also used for local low pressure grid load management during peak times.
So, there was a water seal not metal to metal at each joint? I wondered how that work and if Mr Pete would try a three bucket model. Thanks for the information.
How did the "holder" keep them from freezing?
@@jameswilliamson4856 A torch of course 🙂
@@1STGeneral Think about how incredibly dangerous that would have been to use a torch on a tank joint that was holding back pressurized natural gas! Like the rubber gasket on the Challenger...
I have vivid memories of Adelaide (South Australia) being converted to natural gas around 1970 (the gas man came to replace the burners in the 'gas fire') before I started going to school. Some of my earliest memories are sitting in the car with my (now-late) dad, waiting at the traffic lights leaving the CBD to the northwest, and seeing the SA-Gas-Co. works in the near distance with the gasometer at different levels on different days. I worked near there in the early '90s, and the gantry frame was still visible then. Google maps now shows the pit, though filled in. Thanks for the video.
HI greaser5691 I can remember these they were in the Adelaide suburb of Brompton. There were two of them one was much more modern than the outher the older unit was of riverted construction and the more modern one was of welded construction.I can remember as I went to the Brompton Infant and Primary schools and my father had a factory in Brompton .Originaly they produced coal gas at Brompton and the by-product of the coal after the gas had been produced was called sinders. My father scored a couple of truck loads of these sinders to spread around his factory so it was not so muddy in the winter. The SA-Gas-Co were always glad to get rid of the waste sinders Ray
Thank you sir for another educational video on a topic I likely wouldn't have discovered on my own. I missed this series as I'm always the guy taking stuff apart to see what makes it tick. I learn something from you each week.
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I never knew about these things before but it's really ingenious! Thanks for showing us Lyle!
If you're interested:
The pressure (psi) depends on the area of the bottom of the opening (at the water level inside the top bucket) and the amount of weight (including the bucket, valves, and hoses) of the upper section in pounds. Since the top bucket has a slight taper to it, the pressure will be slightly higher when the top bucket is lower in the water. But, in this case, the difference is so small that it can be ignored and treated like a cylinder with a constant radius.
The relationship is Pressure=Weight/Area, Area for round bottom is A = pi * radius^2,
so P(psi)=W(lbs)/(3.14*(r(inches)^2))
You can rearrange the equation to find out how much weight to add in order to achieve a specific pressure.
The most interesting fact to me is that these will maintain the same pressure no matter how full (or empty) they are so long as there is some gas in them.
THANK YOU...for sharing. Enjoyed.
Thanks! Being a Northern border flatlander all my life (central ND), I have never even heard of a gasometer before.Makes perfect sense how they work!
There were 2 of these in Queens, NY, in use til 1996. I never heard of the word gasometer, as we just called them the Elmhurst Tanks.
That was really interesting, Mr. Pete. Thank you for sharing.
Very interesting a great edutainment video.
Fun project. Thanks for the video.
thank you Mr Pete, another great video.
I am an English teacher and came across gasometers in an educational article, and saw your video! I truly enjoyed it, the language correction at 19:34 raising-rising thing made me giggle! Keep up the good work mate!
Glad it was helpful!
"The rise and fall of the Gasometer" by Mr Pete.
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Outstanding!!!
Thank you for explaining this
Mr. Pete, I have enjoyed all of your videos, but I have to say I found this one the most interesting. It was very informative. Thank you for sharing this.
Thank you very much, I wish other people would watch it
Very good experiment.
Quite interesting.
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Thank you. I’ve often wondered how they work. I’m such a geek and proud
This was Fun like watching Mr.Wizard on the TV years ago
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Thanks. I always like you for your natural gas.
One of the most interesting from "our" Mr Pete. Thank you kind Sir.
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Interesting and informative. Thanks Mr Pete.
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Mrpete, long time viewer, 24 years old. Very much enjoyed once your generation is gone nobody will even remember things like this existed. Continue the good work
Loved it. Great project. Thanks Mr Pete.
Thanks for sharing!
Cool...i always past one on I 95 in Philly and never knew how they worked...nice demonstration...stay safe....
Excellent, Mr. Pete! Closest thing I've seen to a good old fashioned high school science class demonstration. I grew up in New Jersey, in the 60's, and in Newark and Harrison and all through the dirty, gritty midsection of Jersey there were gasometers. And sometimes the rising part was up high and sometimes it was low, and I always wondered as a kid what was going on there. 60 years later NOW I KNOW!!
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What is notable is that the gas supply is a constant pressure, regardless of load.
A few people have learned this by not buying larger pipe for their emergency generators.
@@jonanderson5137 - Fortunately, for me, I passed Fluid Mechanics. Unfortunately, for me, everyone thinks they are a mechanical engineer.
Very interesting. I really enjoyed it.
That was a fun experiment. You inspired me to look up the history of gasometers here in Boston, where we apparently had three where they were producing gas from coal & resin. Pretty interesting history. We only had the big pressurized tanks off the highway since I was little, and before you first explained what they were in that part B video I'd never heard of them. Thanks again.
Thank you Mr. Pete for yet another edutaining video. Very interesting and now I finally know how those things work! Dave in RI
That was a very good demonstration. Thank you!
Fascinating!! When these were mentioned in the previous videos, I had now idea what they were or how they worked. Now I know. Thanks for the education, as always.
It's an excellent exploration of how those tanks worked. I used to pass by them as kid going into town and watch the levels as they where filling up or as they emptied .
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Here in Australia those things were called "gasometers". Where gas was made was called "gasworks".
When they were in use the gas mains still ran at pretty low pressure. It was during the change to natural gas that the mainlines were replaced with polyethylene pipe and the pressure increased.
Another change was the old coal gas had some water in it which caused issues with iron pipes. Todays gas is dry.
Great video, we also had what my mum cald the gas works, in our small town in South Wales UK, i remember seeing the gas storage tanks as a child and perhaps into my early teens. I have worked in the gas and oil industry for all my working life, but never thought how the old gas works worked
In these times of iPhones and video games...this should be required viewing. Excellent!
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Mr. Pete,
I used to see those gasometers around suburbs north of Boston when I was a kid in the mid 1950's. My dad said they were the gas works. At that time, unless you lived in the central area of the city, you had to use oil for heating. Always wondered just how they functioned. Thanks for this video.
What a neat video. Thank you. Ray Valley Central Florida
Thanks Mr. Pete
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Thanks for your interesting video. They should actually be called Gas Holders I think I should know as I used to design them when I was a young man in the UK. A gasometer would infer that it is some sort of measuring device? The more modern holders were spirally guided and mostly "disappeared" when they were deflated. the holders could have three or even four "lifts" I was always surprised how little pressure was required to inflate the holders weighing several hundred tons - around 10 inches water gauge.
Gasometers were a dominant feature of the urban landscape when I was a boy - like modern day cathedrals to industrialisation. In Britain we pronounce the word with the same stresses as in the word thermometer.
After the 'dash for gas' period of the 1970's following the discovery of natural gas in the North Sea, most gasometers in Britain were torn down. Many people thought they were an ugly blight and couldn't get rid of them fast enough. Fortunately, a few mavericks managed to persuade some local planning authorities that they had some architectural merit, even if only as heritage items, and so a few were spared and remain to this day.
We called the coal gas that was stored in them 'town gas'. It was a bit smelly and deadly poisonous, which made suicide by 'putting your head in the oven' a favoured method of escaping life for some unhappy souls. In the area of town where they were located (often not far from the local 'gas works' where the coal was converted) there was usually a faint smell of sulphur in the air. It's a fond smell of childhood to me. I know coal is very much out of favour these days, but it was the greatest gift to humanity and civilisation once upon a time - 'town gas' being just one of its many useful byproducts.
Thank you for a very interesting comment
Thanks to you I have learned something new to day as I often do watching your video's
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Now you have built a low pressure gas regulator based on the weight you put on the bucket.😁
Lyle, as soon as I finished watching this very interesting video, I had to do a bit of searching for how the multiple-lift telescoping gasometers/gasholders are actually sealed. A "single" lift gasometer like your model is easy to understand, but "multiple" lift seals was harder to figure out how they did it. Wikipedia (as usual) seems to have the best explanation on the upper seals.
Thank you, I will look at that
Awesome Mr Pete 👍 thank you
Awesome demo of how it works👍, very interesting!
Always a treat to hear and learn from someone with such great wisdom.
Cool demonstration! Thank you. It's similar to the way that you can regulate the air pressure on a set of double chamber blacksmith bellows. Walking home from school in the 1970s there was a crew that was torch cutting the plates that made up the cylinder and letting them drop. You could hear it for miles.
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Hello Mr. Peterson,
I found this video very interesting. Thank you for making.
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Ingenious! Thanks for that.
Thanks, very interesting. Things I didn’t know I wanted to know.
Mr. Pete I commented on your video about the carbide lamp and mentioned that I worked in a plant that made calcium carbide. We had a gasometer in our testing lab, very similar to your experiment, it was 2 brass cylinders with weights on top with a water seal and was set up the same as your buckets. We would put a measured amount of carbide in a flask and introduce another measured amount of water, this would create acetylene gas causing the gasometer to rise up. After a set time we would read how much the gasometer rose up on a scale and do a quick calculation to determine the grade/quality of the carbide. You brought me back to the late 70's, thank you
I found that very interesting, that’s an experiment that I should attempt to do. But not worth it, very few people watch this video
@@mrpete222 - Think carefully before you mess with acetylene: an air/natural gas mixture will explode. An air/acetylene mixture will detonate. Some radicals were filling garbage bags with air/acetylene mix in a basement in NYC a few decades ago. They had an accidental ignition and blew up a four story brick building - turned it into rubble.
As a boy in the 60's I remember seeing them around different parts of Los Angeles. My father told me what they were and how they worked. They're all gone now and on another note so are most of the air raid sirens which were tested on the last Friday of the month a 10:00 am for no more then 1 minute.
Same here! Born in 1960 in Sharon, Pa., and I remember seeing them somewhere in that area, probably Youngstown, Ohio. Never knew what they contained. We moved away in 1970, so I have no idea if any of them remain.
Having worked in the "modern" gas industry this is something I have never heard of.
Great video Lyle thank you for sharing.
Great vid Mr P. Like the States we in the UK we had these in all our towns and cities. The amazing thing is, like most things in our country, some are now protected and preserved as part of our industrial heritage. I,m sure if I standstill long enough I'll be preserved for posterity also. Keep up the good work and I especially enjoy your rants, it must be an age thing also👍🏻
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The gas pressure in your house, after the meter governor (regulator) would be around 8ins/water gauge, that's around 1/3rd PSI. Out in the street it would be around 12 to 18ins/WG. A 100ft tall gasometer, when full would have around 12 to 16 ins/wg of pressure in it. The gas would be compressed to send it out onto the district at a pressure around 20ins/wg depending on the distance to where the pressure would be at its lowest when the load was at its highest. Time clocks would be used on the governor system to change the outlet pressure of the station to suit the conditions on the district (the higher the demand, the higher the pressure needed).
Thank you for that
That was a fun video! I recall seeing several gasometers near Lynn, MA (near Boston) about 15 years ago. At the time I didn't know the what, why, how--now I do thanks to this video!!!
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4:01 "They're tapered"
It's a molded part. Draft angle required 😉
20:30 Excellent demo
Nice experiment. Thanks TC. I did some further research and found gasometers in Europe converted into apartment bldgs.
That was fantastic. We had four gasometers in the Highlands (Scotland) when I went to school in the seventies. All the science rooms had Coal Gas outlets and we used to light up our scrounged cigarettes when the teacher was out of the room from the outlets! Coal gas had such a distinctive smell and a very yellow flame as far as I can remember (lack of efficient reaction with O2?). There is still one very large one for natural gas in the town to keep pressures from fluctuating, I believe. I now know better, how the system is sealed, like the bell underwater chamber I suppose. thanks for a very interesting nostalgic video.
All the best Mr Pete
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Thanks for watching. I never had experience with CoAl gas. I would make some if I could find coal, LOL
Awesome so easy to understand
A new toy for an old boy. Enjoyed the video, pretty neat.
Thanks for taking the time to show this. I never knew this ever existed. Your very good at showing how things work. You show the important parts and cut out all the stuff that’s not needed. Thanks
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Really interesting thank you! I was surprised by the rate that the gasometer stage fell just supplying a bunsen flame.
Your introduction of this topic a few weeks ago was the first time I heard about the gasometer. Thank you for the how it works segment, it makes a lot more sense seeing a demonstration of the device.
What an excellent video very well explained with an amazing video demonstration. Thanks for taking the time to do this 👍👊
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Great video. I remember seeing them as a kid but I never knew what they were.
If you ever need to make real low pressure measurements you can always build a U tube manometer with clear plastic tubing, colored water, and a yardstick. Simple but it gives accurate measurements in inches of water.
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Good video.
Very interesting video I had no idea how they stored gas
Thank you for an informative video!
Very interesting Mr. Pete, I loved it ! I had some awesome shop teachers when I was in school to this day I think about them often,. Thank you 🙏 and keep up the great work !
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Awesome history!
we had two of the, down the road from us, where I lived in Ponsonby, Auckland, New Zealand
There is a large old stationary engine at the Antique Gas and Steam Engine Museum in Vista CA. That uses a similar device to regulate the pressure of the propane fuel that it runs on. Thanks for the very interesting video. I remember seeing gasometers in Los Angeles as a kid.
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Great explanation... I recently saved an emergency backup water pump that was used to flood the seal for a gasometer or what we called "holders stations".... its an old ford 172 4 cylinder engine coupled to a Dayton-Dowd 2 stage water pump, it but out 750gpm and ran on natural gas... I'm looking forward to restoring it.
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Super interesting. I have never before heard of those structures. You really outdid yourself on this video.
Thank you very much, but very few people are watching this video
Brilliant.
its actually a pretty smart way to compress gas when you consider the ability to make things seal tight enough only came in the early 1900s
@@tractionownersclub4827 it does compress the gas with gravity not a ton but enough to push it down the pipes
The amount of heat energy by physical volume of gas required is quite surprising if not shocking. it really highlights how finite the stock of natural gas must be ? btw Dirty old Town was written by Ewan MacColl about Salford an industrial town in the U.K., where MacColl was from. His own version is good but MacColl being a mentor to the Dublin singer Luke Kelly allowed Kelly to sing & record it, His interpretation is perhaps worth a listen. Coincidentally Luke Kelly was born & reared in the Docks area of Northside Dublin where could be seen the Gas Company Gasometers on the far quay wall of on the Southside. The song was so popular as so many people thorough the world could relate to it as there were many industrial cities ?
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Thank you very much. There's still a few of these here in Philadelphia and I never understood what exactly they were or anything about how they worked. I was imagining some sort of giant O-rings and collapsible sections, which I knew couldn't be right.
The Gasometer I remember from childhood was adjacent to Detroit City Airport. I also remember seeing one that lasted till only a few years ago near Kokomo, Indiana.
4:40 - I can see everything clearly despite the white background. Camera exposure with white objects seems pretty good too.
I remember seeing these in El Paso back in the early sixties. Thanks
Loved it !!! Thanks
In The UK they often have a rowing boat inside to allow inspections.
This video has been a gas to watch! 💥
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well done Lyle
Brilliant! thank you for the video!
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Fun experiment.
Pathway to Acetylene generation and storage. ‼️
Enjoyed your video.