Seymour Duncan POWERSTAGE 170/200/700 Comparison | GEAR GODS
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- Let's compare Seymour Duncan's 3 Powerstage guitar power amps!
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A. you just totally sold me on a 200 for my pedal rig just goin direct into the board live at Cover gigs.
B. Im gonna make a video WITH my rig. you rock dude
Thanks for this.
It settles my theory, they all sound ok, but the 700 has the “ooooomph” that the other two are missing. The added headroom of the 700, even at the 8ohm’s 350watts, it’s just better.
I heard that right away, worth the extra for that full sound
I have tried the Orange PB, SD 170 and the Fryette PS2 for powering a Line 6 Helix. The Orange is too dark and gives all models an Orange amp tone. The Fryette PS2 was very good and better then the Orange, but the best imo was the SD 170 for a Helix. The EQ controls on the 170 are VERY sensitive and adds a quick tweak when needed to any Helix model. Its sort of a powered EQ with great response. Thats the one I kept and use for a Helix.
Sorry but do you use the amp Sims or the pre amp Sims?
@@hartlee1160 Amp Sims, I do not like the PreAmps
The mitochondria is the power house of the cell
Dildo is the power house of your asshole
@@tamonuddebdas5102 no idea man!
Thanks Pavel
@@NosceTe
Maybe. Although your mom & your sister both disagree. Also, they each left a pair of delicates at my place, only hours apart. Same size, too. Sister also left some wool socks, tho I've given them to the cleaning lady, so I doubt she'll see them again.
And they get shorter every day man
I have the my Helix rack going into the 170 and it's plenty loud and sounds great. Very happy with that purchase.
Thank you my dude. That was what I was wondering.
I’m definitely going to buy it.🤘🏽
Do you run your outputs at instrument level or line level??
I'm currently running an HX Stomp XL into the PS170 into a 2x12 cab. I haven't touched the output levels, it's set to instrument level. Dont seem to have issues, but I'm asking around for opinions from people with similar setups just to make sure. If I'm doing something that a simple switch could make it sound even better than it does I'd be all in for that! Lol
@@Christian.Means. instrument level I believe. 🤔 Man, it's been a while now since I even played through that setup. Haven't gigged in a long while unfortunately. I'm basically playing totally in the box these days.
@@majesticpbjcat7707 thanks for the reply man appreciate it!
Great comparison! The cab sim sounds aweful though.
but WOULD IT in the mix with Drums and bass?
yeah i didnt like it very much either but im getting the powerstage 170 anyway so
You should have dB meters, man...
My tinnitus is my dB meter.
Yeah
Was thinking the same thing. Sounds like he never turned it up.
You should do one now including the new Powerstage 100. It's stereo and has a different EQ section., I'm curious how it compares!
Why couldn't they make a stereo version of the 200?
Stay put. I have the project to build a two channel version of these with balanced combo inputs and combo speakon jack outputs. At least 200w RMS per channel, just power section, volume and a master mute. High quality, similar electronic setup as Seymour's and a warranty of at least one year. If everything is ok, this project might show in Kickstarter in some months.
@JulianRedAudio Let me know how its going.
170 with pod go 3:21
200 with pod go 7:57
700 with pod go 12:31
I use the 700 for either 2/ 8 Ohme individual mono speakers or 2 /8 Ohme cabs. It's best feature is used by far is for the stereo outs. I also run a two channel eq for each output.
Surprised that the stereo capabilities of the 700 wasn’t that big of a deal. Stereo is nice for the modulation effects or am l missing something.
Since the 200 can power two speakers, can't I still run a stereo setup with it?
@@marioposella7677you indeed can. I bought a 700 with my bass player a few years ago for the 2 channel stereo out. It does wonders for both our setups I eventually let him keep it though, I want a 200 for myself soon.
PLEASE, could you make a demo with the Powerstage 200 for bass? I know the 700 fits better for bass but I definitely love a pedal size power amp. I’ve used Aguilar Tone Hammer 350 watts on 4 ohms and I had volume to spare (12 oclock)
May be useful to compare them all side by side
PS 170 (Pod Go) at 3:20
PS 200 (RevG4) at 11:05
PS 700 (Pod Go) at 12:30
If you want a good pedal platform rig that can keep up with a 100w tube amp then go for the PS700. You can run two 4ohm cabs off that baby. Solid state wattage is greatly affected by resistance so go 4ohm if you can.
Question. If I understood the video correctly, I can buy a Helix LT then off the Cab sim, plug it into the poweramp and from the poweramp to my cab
Absolutely quality as always thank you 🙌🏻
Awesome video!
Thank you for sharing.
Peace be with you always!
maybe you mentioned it, but what is the OHM rating on your cab?
So if you have a guitar effects modeler, you just plug it into this, and run it straight to whichever cabinet you have
I agree , I think for pedalboard \ modeller gigging the 200 is spot on, shame you need two for stereo cabs though….
I’d love to see a shootout of these versus the Fryette power stage and Orange Pedal Baby.
DO IT
You earned my like from the intro
If I have the budget, I would buy the Powerstage 200 because of the features and the wattage. For me, It is enough to power up a live rig in a small to a medium venue.
Can you do a audio interface shootout, in terms of tone, like how does a Presonus one compare to a two notes torpedo
And Scarlett
❤️ my 170 got lucky and got it used $150 cleanest signal for modelers
No IR need if you go straight to 4x12- 2x12
Thank you. I really like the 170, for what I do. I usually gig a modded Fender Blues Deluxe or a Supro Blues King, for the tones. Mic'ed, they are perfect for my sound. I got a Hotone Britwind for a lifeboat - and have used it. It's fine. But I really like the 170 for the purity of the thing. I set and forget the amp anyhow, and have all the pedal choices I need.
I also noticed that the 100 watt version is more expensive for some odd reason
Cuz it’s Stereo capabilities
It would be awesome if when demoing these types of power amps that the wattage is based on the ohms of the cabinets used. For instance; the 170 watt power rating is had with a 4 Ohm load. It's probably right around 85 watts at 8 Ohms and right around 40 watts at 16 Ohms. You won't get the full 170 watts with a 16 Ohm cab.
I’m using a Headrush Prime. How do you get your cords so tight but have your singles ring out?
This might be a dumb question but if its a 200 watt power amp do you need more than a 200 watt cab?
if so how could you use the 120 cab?
Nice review man! I think the only place where SD dropped the ball is on the 700. They should have given it the ability to bridge the two channels, would have made a killer bass rig poweramp!
Seymour Duncan should make a bass one with bass cabinet emulation.
They also should have put the power button and xlr outs on the front. Sucks digging around the back of my rack case for that stuff.
Real noob question, if the Powerstage is say 170w then what does my cab need to be able to handle? I know with my tube amp if my 1x12 is only 60w not to use my 100w head obv but I can use my 50w head so is it the same for this?
cool shootout! yeah that cab sib sounded like an hm2 if it was a cab sim. I can't wait until they are switchable to some of your own.
Yeah I figure most people are using these with modelers so they'll be going direct with their own IRs, it's just good to have the option if you're using an analog preamp rig
I chose the 200 instead of the 170 because it takes 110 - 240V AC. Also, the EQ is very useful.
the 700 is def for bass players or doom bands
Hi i know this is 3 years old but i need help, i have tonex pedal and I am looking for power amp. I tried Harley Benton GPA-100 (4 ohms 190w on papers), and it did not manage to overpower drummer in reharsle room. Do you think the 200w would? As you said it is loud but really? the difference in watts is only 10w (not sure if bentons is honest ). but the 700w is like overkill, I think that one is ment for bass players.
I think the real winner is us the viewers 🥰 IDK about any of these with there being Carvin MACH100, EXH Magnums... ETC.... Plus there are lots of old power amps one can find cheap left over from the 80s "rack craze". I guess these would kick ass for modelers so you can have a ton of headroom for those sweet feals tones 🤘
how would it go the powerstage 170 with a mesa boogie triaxis preamp?
I have a friend who has been gigging out with a Mesa Boogie Triaxis and running it into a Powerstage 200 that he has mounted to a shelf in his rack, and it works great. Plenty loud, plenty of headroom. Obviously the PS-170 will be slightly less but not by much, so I would wager it'd work just fine.
Cab sim out sounds dreadful
1. Can I hook it up straight from my guitar for clean tone or need at least some sort of preamp pedal? 2. Can I use it for bass?
I have used the Powerstage with just a guitar, no pedals at all, and gotten a really nice clean tone. Because the PS has it's own EQ section I can dial in a good tone and tweak it as I see fit. Putting other pedals or a modeler before it of course offers much more tonal options, but yeah if I'm looking for just a straight-forward clean tone, I can play straight into this no problem. And as for bass, I've used it for bass at both rehearsals and gigs before. The 700 works best in this context, but I've used the 200 as well for this and it does work. Hope this helps :)
Would the Powerstage 200 be enough for powering a bass cab?
If you crank the volume, probably yes, but I think you’d be better off buying the 700
I tried it for bass and it's definitely enough. I used 8ohm 4x10 old hartke cab.
Tone vise-nothing special. But if you use a pedal upfront or line 6 helix-it will do the job
Definitely gonna want the 700.
The 170 is stupid loud and more volume than you need
Recently goot a pod go, been debating between a tube head or one of these....
Pretty sire i wanna go with the Powerstage 200
Very informative! Thanks so much!
Anybody have any experience using the 700 for 2 guitarists on stage using either 2 modelers or 2 rigs in 1 modeler?
My band uses the 700 to power our Axe Fx 2’s for both my guitarist & I
Works great! We have the same patches in both of our modelers & we can control the EQ on both of them using just the 700. Need more bass in the venue you’re at? No problem just turn the knobs and it effects both of our tone without us having to change our patch on the fly.
1 power amp to power both amps is nice saves room in the rack, we also use the XLR outputs & send those with the cab sim on (amazing feature) to our X32 :)
Powerstage 700 is for sure a 10/10
@@ChristopherRoupp wonderful! Thanks for the share. We run both guitars in one helix patch with lanes so it would work exactly like your setup. How are the cab Sims for items? They sound good or they do the job but aren't as good as an IR?
@@DanCapeau the built in cab sims on the 700 sounds pretty good to me. They’re just for our IEM setup so it doesn’t really have to be the best IR in the world you know? I ran them through our own PA speakers & they sounded solid to me
@@ChristopherRoupp so the stereo outputs can be run as two separate mono signals instead of just one L + R ? I want to use one input for guitar amp and one input for sample player, and use it to power 2 cabs
If we use a FRFR speaker like the celestial x200, the cab sim must be turned off correct? Would that setup work? With this device and a quad cortex? Thank man!
Cab sim has to be turn ON as you don't have what speaker would you like to hear together with your amp sim.
How does it compare with the Matrix gt 1000 fx...sound wise (power is different, I know).
What I'm confused about it why would you need a eq on the powerstage if the fx unit can do the same?
If the cab you’re going into sounds a certain way you can EQ the power amp so that everything coming off the modeler sounds better
@@treyxaviermusic ah ok, thanks for the reply! Going to be buying one soon
Excellent video. Well done.
My Power Stage 170 has really loud cooling fan and it is on all the time. Its way louder than my computer fan or Axe-Fx II. Is this normal?
While the fan on my PS 170 does make some noise I don't find it to be loud at all, and not the way you're describing it. There could be something going on with the fan on your particular unit?
@@nvmbrsdoom5 Yeah there was a faulty fan. I returned it.
Great video!
The 170 has plenty of headroom. I wouldn’t even worry about that or the extra features that you may not even use.
While the added headroom and controls on the 200 are nice, the feature that was making me lean that way was the cab sim, but after hearing that I think a 170 will suit me fine. I had the same problem when picking up one of those Orange Terror Stamps. That amp part itself was great, highly recommend it, but the cab sim part sounded like crap sims from the 80s/earlier 90s. I wish it could be programmed to a user IR or something. Just one would be nice.
Great idea. Thinking of getting the 200.... I'm sure as shit that if and when I get the 200 they will have a new release where you can load in you own IR.
hey trey I'm completely broke but i always click the links in the bio cuz y not
my man
Can I please get an opinion from either you or someone using a similar setup please???
I'm running a HX Stomp XL into a Powerstage 170 into a cab. I'm loving it at the moment, just wondering what I should set my Outputs to and why? Line level or instrument level? It's set to instrument level now, I haven't touched it. I seem to have gotten good results during rehearsals and gigs, but am I using it wrong in any way like this or does it matter? Any help would be greatly appreciated. 🤟😁
3:21
11:04
12:31
I have two marshall 4x10 cabs with jensen alnico speakers which I love. I used to run a stereo setup which I really liked. But I also love my modeling software which I use with studio monitors. I prefer not to destroy my monitors so want to use the modelling software with my cabs with cab sim off. Is the PS 700 the best choice? Or are there good alternatives?
700 is for bass players.
Hi all, i have a bit confusion regarding the cab used with the ps unit. They give the wattage per 4watts. I am considering to use this with a tonex and 2x12" 60 Watts each 16 ohm cabinet. That's 120 watts total in speakers. Resistance lowers wattage to a 4th... so around 43 to 50 W. Is that an issue? Coming from a 100 W tube amp world.
I read on SD’s website that the Powerstage 170 has automatic impedance matching for cabs. Would the volume output still drop for a 16 ohm cab?
Yes, to approximately 40W
would they be powerful enough to run bass speakers?
Definitely powerful enough especially if you use the PS-700. But I've used the 200 before in a live setting with a 4x10 bass cab and it was plenty for my needs.
All I need is the power stage 170 and I’ll have amp, amp modeling, and wireless. I won’t even need to bring my rack anymore.
Can you plug this into a headrush frfr speaker? Or is this better with a real cab
Why would you do that?
A frfr speaker is for a modeler with the cabsim/ IR ON and have that signal path amplified as natural as possible.
The seymour duncan power amp is to play with your real cab, so yes you can use it with your headrush if you enable your cab sim/ IR.
Lol your FRFR has an amp in it already and no way to connect to the speaker.. the inputs on those go to a preamp. Try plugging the speaker out of your guitar head into a mixer one day.. let us know how that goes..
Put the stereo inputs and two speaker outs on the 200 and I’m down !
What the diference? 170 1 speaker and 200 2 speakers
I AGREE COMPLETELY! It's just enough for an Axe-Fx
Just got the 200. Well, bought online yesterday so have to wait for it's arrival. Was looking at these dang small amps all day. Almost went with the 170 but read a review that it couldn't keep up with a drummer at 8 ohm so went with the 200. Then read a review on that saying the same thing 🤣 then read another review on the 200 saying 16 ohm is plenty loud enough for a band. So I don't know wth is up. Guess I'll find out soon enough. Great video!! Thanks 😁
What did you think? Surely 200 is loud enough?
@@joshwalker8824 It got so close. Sounded amazing and the tone controls are a major plus. I see a few videos on YT with people insisting this small amp, and that small amp will keep up with a band. I guess these people are playing at very conservative volume levels because my experience was completely different and they will NOT keep up with a band.
Unfortunately I had the same experience with the Powerstage 200. We play pretty loud but imo nothing outrageous. I only turn my amp up loud enough to blend with the drummer so I can hear things mixed evenly. And no mics or anything at practice. As soon as I got loud enough to hear good it started clipping. Tried tweaking a few things, t but couldn't get it to stop clipping so had the let it go . I think if I would have had my cabs wired at 4 ohm it would have been loud enough. But 8 ohms just didn't quite cut it, at least without clipping 😣
@@emach07 I wonder if the 700 can be turned down low enough then. Or if it would be like trying keep a 120 watt tube amp down at practice space.
@@joshwalker8824 I was just looking at the 700 after I made that last comment. I don't know why but thought it was bigger so I passed on that due to wanting something loud but also as small as possible but have found nothing in that category that at least that works for me. But that 700 I'm sure would be perfect as far as volume. Judging how close the 200 got I have no doubts the 700 would be more than enough.
These are super clean amps and sound great regardless of what volume you play at so I would definitely say heck yeah! You can turn these down to a whisper and they still sound fantastic! I would have went for the 700 but it would defeat the purpose that I'm trying to accomplish. Was hoping for a super small compact amp loud enough for a back up at a live gig in case my tube amp ever fails live. I have a backup tube amp but I ain't lugging two 100 watt Marshall tube amps around unless we're playing some serious gigs
@@emach07 right on. I've had my eye on the 200, but might pull the trigger on 700 if I know it'll get quiet enough, lol. I'm sure it's more than loud enough. Thanks for the insight.
Does anyone know if the Powerstage 700 is usable for bass guitar too?
It is totally
Yes. Not a ton of volume for bass IMO but it definitely works.
So if I’ve me an old Rocktron Velocity 100 not doing anything then I can use it to push my Zoom G6?
Oh my god!!! How can the powerstage 700 have 700W? Below the power plug there
are 270W marked!!! Is this some sort of scam??? 270W in >>>
700W out >> Perpetuum mobile????
270w.. INPUT at 110v. The voltage measured on the speaker output on these is max like 35-40v as it relies more on current than voltage to produce wattage at the speaker. Do the math.. it scales perfectly.
The mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell. Did I win?
That was one of the worse cab sim I ever heard, and I used a cab-clone.
I can't believe they could put a red-box level of cab sim.. cheaped out.
Great vid and tones! Pod Pro/Helix preamps are killer.
LOL...i've been using the 200 for all my gigs the last year and NOT one PERSON has said, hey man....that cab sim you are using sucks major ass..........No one gives a crap what it sound ds like because that's what the mixer is for, to make it sound good
There’s just a mid bump, around 1kHz… easy to EQ out
my 412 is 750W 2-225W commonwealths 2-150 121s eminence
These are optimal in a 4ohm load situation...
Actually seymour duncan says they run better at 8 or 16 ohms.... 4 runs the poor thing into the ground!
@@PatrickBTA My user manual says differently. at 16ohms I have to push the output about 50% more as well.
@@thirtytwoforty yeah.. and the amp isn't running as hot.. since it's only pushes 1/4 of the rated power at that resistance.
So I can see at 0:55 You used a full amp in your pod go instead of a preamp. Is there a reason ?
Sounds better. Don't crank your amp channel master.
all of the above for a WDW set up ?? IDK maybe just 3 200's
That Kiesel’s pickups sound so sterile
Can you full stack with the power stage 200? Or say run 4x12 and a 2x12 at the same time?
From what I gather, not by itself. But Radial makes a cablink for amps without multiple outs.
As far as the different size cabs, I would think it would be fine as long as the impedance is okay?
Yo i'm a bass player using hx stomp, would these be good for me? Im planning to run through a 2x12" 4Ohms 1000 Watt cabinet darkglass
Not sure which one of these power amp should i get..any help?
I've used both the 200 and the 700 for bass before. The 700 works best as I feel it offers the most headroom and power for bass tone but the 200 did work very well too. I've used the HX Stomp with it as well, however not for bass (I play guitar and bass regularly in various gigs) and the Stomp pairs up with it perfectly for me. Hope this helps, cheers!
@@nvmbrsdoom5 wow thank you for the answer dude!i'll do my tries cheers
Amazing!
So is the 200 a true 200 watts and do tube preamps work well with these
Thanks for the video, I need that 200 so I can play with fullstack :P
Hey is there a power amp with to speaker inputs ...for full stack
The only reason to go for the 700 is the ability to run 1 channel with a cab sim to front of house and one channel without a cab sim to your stage cabs. If you don't run that exact scenario then you are better served with either the 170 or 200. Shame that one feature makes the 700 cost almost double that of the 170 because I have never once felt the need for the extra power even playing stages.
Or if you’re running stereo, because the 170 and 200 are mono only.
@@JeffBee1exactly
Are you jamming hava nagila?
Thank you so much for this video I was just wandering about this. Weird! Hahaha yes a db meter would have been great for loudness test. I would of like to see where the volume nob was at when 80db.
I have a podgo running thru Laney ironheart 120watt head and it sounds great but was wondering if this would sound better.. I'm sure if I had the power stage 200 I would be wondering if a tube head would sound better lol! Now thats a demo comparison I wish someone would do.. tube head vs powerstage going into 2x12 cab.. who's the first!?
Would the 200 drive 2 16ohm marshal 4x12's?
does the 700 come with rack ears?
Neighbours? What neighbours? California burned down. You are literally THE ONLY person still in California.
I got the 170 coming in next week so I can use my master effects super400 with it
Just a note to point out to those that might not know when watching this video....
If your cab is 8ohm you won't get the full 170 watts of power, only like 85 watts. If you have a 4ohm cab (which is not usually common with guitar cabs but more for bass cabs) then you will get the full 170 watts. It's silly that the 170 unit wasn't made optimally for an 8ohm cab, which is the most common of guitar cabs.
85watts through a 2x12 or 4x12 will be more then enough over 100db
Very good comparison. I wish the 170 came with a headphone jack.
(For some reason you make me think of Will Ferrell, respectfully.)
Sup Trey
NO EFFECTS LOOP
You don’t need an effects loop because an effects loop just puts the effects between the preamp and the power amp, which you can do by just putting the preamp before the effects you would put in the loop and then into the power amp
Live today?
30 minutes!
The crate power block is better...they never should have stopped making them
You still can find one of this pricey tho.! Might as well get one of the options here on this video
Oh, the moneys!!
700=pro and bass players.
"front of house" hahahahawhahahahahahahahahahahah
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