The Pinion MGU is now updated with a motor over run feature that helps with technical climbs, as well as automatic shifting when pedalling - auto.shift and auto.shift.pro
This is the 1st gen MGU And it already beats all of the systems by 400% 1-No maintanance required 2- No more bulshit chain problems, chain slap, streatch or snap!!! 3 No more weak smashed dissallined deraileours and poor shifting problems!!!! 4- No more worn out cassetes and chainrings!!! The MOUNTAIN BIKE SHOULD SPEND 99% RIDING ON THE MOUNTAINS NOT 99% LOKING AFTER IT!!! THIS IS THE FUTURE THIS IS MOUNTAIN BIKING AND IT'S CALLE PINION MGU!!!! IT IS ALSO MY NEXT NEW EMTB
I have to clean the damn chain after every ride and this chore is killing my desire to shred. Now if only Rockshox can invent a ZEB that doesn’t require maintenance every month I can realize my dream of being a rider instead of being a part time mechanic.
I just purchased a Priority 600, and though it's not an eMTB.. man.. I LOVE belt drive! It's nearly silent when pedaling, it shifts crazy well, the gear range is phenomenal.. if you've never utilized a belt drive / transmission on a bike, you're missing out! My first eMTB will definitely be belt driven. Oh, and word of advice for anybody who looks to get anything belt driven.. DEFINITELY purchase at least a second belt, learn how to properly store it, and keep it handy.. these belts should handle a LOT of wear and miles, but you can't just pick one up in any bike shop like you can a chain.
Pinion is the top dog regardless of the recently announced motors. Belts and MGU's are the way to go. I wish they made a wireless shifter for a cleaner cockpit though.
@@alastairseedhouse2673 Weight is around the bb, they feel actually lighter. Nicolai uses alu. Lifetime components must be stronger than flimsy snapped chains and worn cassettes.
No wireless shifter! Now there is finally a central battery that controls shifting, motor and lighting. No need to wireless stuff anymore. The reason I would never buy SRAM.
After seeing this bike it’s made me uninterested in anything that doesn’t have PinionMGU & Gates Carbon Drive. What have you done to me?!! 😅 Amazing stuff
It really is the way to go for the next step in ebike development. Surely other brands will start to compete with new propositions, and finally Shimano or Sram will buy some of those companies and every single ebike will be derailleur-less! The future looks good
@@g.wilsondh8407 I’ve spoken to Zerode Bikes in NZ and they will be releasing an MGU/Carbon drive bike next year. I’m based in Australia so that’s the closest I could find for now. Still struggling with the $16,000 price tag, but honestly wouldn’t want anything less than a bike with these features
We desperately need a bigger bike brand to take pinion on! Starting at 10k is just way too high! Cannot wait for this to become more affordable but without someone like canyon for example taking this on for many it’s just a pipe dream! Fingers crossed this gets the buy in it very much needs!!!
@@SolarizeYourLife you don't need a MGU on commuter bike :D that's just waste of parts. single speed with 250w hub motor is more than enough for your 2km commute
4:14 Leo from Pole with a Pole T Shirt! (I hope a good sign). I love my Voima....please get Pole up and running and make a Voima with this drivetrain. I am in.....
When the Mondraker Guy in your last Podcast said he was skeptical about the Pinion MGU it was clear to me that the whole industry fears the impact of this technology. It will be interesting when other manufacturers are able to enter the integrated market. As a consumer I would certainly rather wait for a better selection of similar bikes instead of buying old derailed tech.
there is literally no reason to buy anyhting else. no matter what specialized or anyone comes out with now.. if i see a derailuer i'm thinking "old surpassed tech"
@@alexioflexio8818 I was thinking the same when I bought my Radon Render in 2021with at that time the best motor: Bosch CX. Now 3 year I hate the crap design they did on the Bosch CX and the waterproofness. Plenty stuff can still go wrong with a MGU with plastic gears or misalligned bearings or not enough cooling etc. Only time will tell. I definitely will wait a few years but I really like the concept.
Problem with it is that it can't be chipped. Not so important with EMTB but crucial (my opinion based on over 10 years of e-bike experience) when it comes to road or touring bikes.
I would buy it immediately if it would be 180/180 travel, mixed wheels, max 440 mm chainstay length. I really hope one manufacturer will make a bike with this specification and with this MGU.
I remember seeing Nicolai's first gearbox back in the day and thinking "this is the future" but the industry wasn't ready and the market wasn't there. It's so great to see their dream becoming a reality, it's just a shame it took so long.
Think I'd still rather have my gears separate to my motor. If my gears should fail then it's only a £40-100 part. Not take the motor off and sent to manufacturer and wait weeks/months job.
@@moozeex1 this particular car I'm driving now none lol. But that's not to say I've not had grear boxes go on vehicles over the years because I have more than once. And on my car my engine and my gearbox are separate things. One braking does not mean taking out or replacing the other. Also my cars and vans do not get subjected to the water, grit and mud that my ebikes do. Ebikes motors DO fail ALOT.
Let Rob explain what happens when there is a Bosch motor and/or pinion transmission failure for this bike. How warranty works, how long warranty will be effective and what the related downtime is. This isn't like you taking your BMW motorcycle to the BMW dealer.
If it lasts as long as the other gearboxes from Pinion there should be no problems with longevity. It has an oil filling that is way better versus conventional motors that let water in through the gaskets.
I’ll tell you what happens when there’s a Bosch motor failure. We take your bike, verify that it’s warranty. We drop the motor and work out what the issue is, and if it can’t be fixed, then we go into the system and apply to Bosch to have it replaced, stating what it issue is. They then send us a new motor, and we send the old one back. In less than a week it’s replaced with a new replacement, and ready for the customer. I have no experience with Pinion though.
Yep I've heard lots of stories of excellent after sales service from Bosch. Had a little experience myself where I had to call them and found them to be great. Getting through to them was easy and the advice was sound. Don't think you can call anyone in relation to other brand motor on my other bike and I know they don't releas parts either. For this reason and the fact I can't afford pinion or that new DJI system my next bike will be a Bosch powered.
Great to see Nicolai on the Pinion train, but I noticed that CNC'd / embossed surface of the frame makes it near impossible to cover with frame protection film. Hope not every Pinion bike end up in the $10K+ segment and we can actually get one for $6K.
I have an emtb (Commencal) I go through drivetrains as if they were going out of style. 2 cassettes and front rings a year and 3 to 4 chains a year. Ebikes are hard on drivetrains. I really like the idea of the internal gears and using a belt. With the higher price tag, I think I'd save money on replacing my drivetrain in the long run. When they come to my neck of the woods (West Coast Canada) to test ride, I'll be definitely testing one out.
@@surfingmoose have you ever thought of trying a geared hub, kindernay do a hub that can take 160nm, you can even get belt drive, and you could convert a bike to belt drive on most FS bikes.
@@acelectricalsecurity was thinking of a rohloff at one point but that was for an analog bike. I'll look at kindernay hub. Thanks for pointing that out.
this is the only bike i want. finally, it feels like we have a fully resolved emtb with the right features. everything else was just building up to this moment. when are you selling in USA please?
👍Nice bike😋 It should be nice to know the over rin "time limit" (how long time the motor gives padel free assist) in race😊. I would buy the first SL "gearbox" Emtb when it comes with a ability to torq controll by the rider and its gona have stepless variator as in a Snowmobile with a belt. This stuff gona be protected in this "gearbox" and have same Gates Carbon drive. This would be light, silent, above all maintenance free🤔😅
If the pro auto shift override is used too much the bike should alter the fixed cadence to a more suitable range for the rider , e.g. if you set cadence at 80 but are constantly down shifting it should set to 79 , then 78 and creep it until the rider mostly stops down shifting manually , an early up shift should alter it the other way , all averaged out over several mins of use . Gradient should also alter the cadence slightly IF you choose to have that happen . or the app should recommend your best cadence based on your actual demand .
It does do that. If you override the auto.shift in the pro mode, it analyses the new cadence and adjusts to it. So no more fighting with automatic shifting like with other systems.
I am waiting for some lightweight emtb with pinion. Thats my nextbike. I.e. if they put it on Orbea Rise which weighs 15.9kg, the bike would be how much? 18kg? Yes, please!
price is teh last thing to worry about. get the right product fo ryou. you can always work harder.. this is small money. just get industrious and you won't worry about money anymore. this is the best bike.. price is basically irrelevant.
Yeah, I spotted that on his mobile. It looked like he was replying to emails /social media regarding swing arms 😂😂😂 seriously tho will be interesting to see how pole return and what they will launch with. Have a lot to work to cover with regard to consumer confidence in the brand.
Is this really significant updates? I do not see that in daily riding to be honest - I have an Rohloff with Bosch - and blet drive. SO kind of samesame but different - this does not ofer autoshift yet - but after all - that is "dont think or care" system, availabel since years - now with MGU from pinion, but was there 10Years ago too... Might be little different for tech section riders... I rode mountain bike 25years ago... back then light bikes were the most important thing - nothing changes there ;) The Chain drive was and is working pretty well.
I want this bike , i have th efunds for this bike, But according to Nicolai i cant as im in australia and something to do with the battery not being allowed for sale as of yet... would be great to know of a workaround :P
Its definitely a bike made for journalists. Flash looking and lots of features to talk about. Not what I or anyone really needs. Maintenance is about cost, and the MGU cost exceeds regular maintenance.
So every time a new motor comes out you will have to buy a hole new bike again, correct? or can you just buy the new motor to put into your 1 year old bike?
I’ve contacted Nicolai about when the Saturn 16 will be available in the USA and told the battery is not USA certified yet? Anyone any further intel on what this really means and when might bikes be available for purchase? Cheers,
Well that's easy then, the pinion mgu has main battery's up to 950Wh, with an option for an extension battery of 530Wh. The strongest motor is 800 Watt and has 160nm torque in the lowest gears.
Haha, delivering to the UK costs more than the bike itself! £10,000 delivery charge? They must be having a right laugh-probably trying to fund their next holiday! 😂
What is all this recent hype for overrun? Do we really need it? I think not. My latest bike has almost none (RM powerplay) and it is a way better climber for it. Less overrun = more control. The amount of times overrun would be beneficial is very limited for the average user. But overrun is the nr. 1 reason for destroying chains and cassettes. So if you are going to make overrun a standard feature at least have the user be able to select the amount, or allow it to be turned off.
It's all good but if you can't get one how is anyone in Australia ever going to get one. The Pinion MGU is a great design but the coffee grinder uphill sound would kill the joy of riding for me. It's a shame someone doesn't get the Revonte system into production .My SUPER QUIET and smooth 1.3 Aluminium 90Nm Brose motor and a Rohloff hub is still my choice. E=Mtb²
No wonder it's expensive. 2 hours of CNC machining, welding TIG by hands . No doubt it's high quality, but you now, some Eastern guys could stolen the idea. Make stamping, casting, automatic welding lines and as a result cheaper in a great volumes
@@markosteinberger I’d take the Nicolai over the KTM. In England there’s not many places you can legally ride a dirt bike off road. On an ebike you can go wherever a normal bike can go. I’m fortunate enough to own a motorbike a normal mtb and an emtb and if I could only keep one I’d choose the emtb in a heartbeat. The Nicolai is undoubtedly very expensive but it is a boutique brand and not a mass produced item like a KTM. Hopefully cheaper brands will adopt the pinion MGU in the future.
Thats exactly why I wont buy an ebike, the technology is moving too fast at the moment. If i buy one it will be out of date within a couple years. My normal bike will hold up a lot longer. Maybe once the tech slows down I'll look into getting one.
@@RobRidesEMTBIt’s an amazing bike Rob and the top of my list but warranty really worries me. If it has a major issue is there a UK base it can be sent to or would it have to be shipped back to Germany?
I believe that was one of the things they were sorting out, leading to the delay getting the UK approved. My understanding is they have now sorted warranty support in the UK.
Why buy this with a bike like the DJI AMFLOW ebike with 120nm, 1000w AVINOX motor is available for order??? Oh, I forgot, you youtube guys make so much money you can have as many new ebikes as you want!
Rob eu vejo seus vídeos muitas bikes boas eu gosto muito eu gosto de criar minhas peças garfos cubos eu queria ter um lugar eu não tenho crio peças de bike no meu quarto
This is the 1st gen MGU And it already beats all of the systems by 400%
1-No maintanance required
2- No more bulshit chain problems, chain slap, streatch or snap!!!
3 No more weak smashed dissallined deraileours and poor shifting problems!!!!
4- No more worn out cassetes and chainrings!!!
The MOUNTAIN BIKE SHOULD SPEND 99% RIDING ON THE MOUNTAINS NOT 99% LOKING AFTER IT!!! THIS IS THE FUTURE THIS IS MOUNTAIN BIKING AND IT'S CALLE PINION MGU!!!!
IT IS ALSO MY NEXT NEW EMTB
I have to clean the damn chain after every ride and this chore is killing my desire to shred. Now if only Rockshox can invent a ZEB that doesn’t require maintenance every month I can realize my dream of being a rider instead of being a part time mechanic.
AMEN
@@Zetler Preach!
I just purchased a Priority 600, and though it's not an eMTB.. man.. I LOVE belt drive! It's nearly silent when pedaling, it shifts crazy well, the gear range is phenomenal.. if you've never utilized a belt drive / transmission on a bike, you're missing out!
My first eMTB will definitely be belt driven. Oh, and word of advice for anybody who looks to get anything belt driven.. DEFINITELY purchase at least a second belt, learn how to properly store it, and keep it handy.. these belts should handle a LOT of wear and miles, but you can't just pick one up in any bike shop like you can a chain.
Man I thought it was me but my ebike is a pit and I like everything u said no more bullshit just ride or die
Pinion is the top dog regardless of the recently announced motors. Belts and MGU's are the way to go. I wish they made a wireless shifter for a cleaner cockpit though.
Exactly this!!
Yeah I need to sell my Turbo Levo and Levo SL. And get this and the new DJI bike. Sadly I'm too poor.
Why are all MGU bikes filthy heavy?
@@alastairseedhouse2673 Weight is around the bb, they feel actually lighter. Nicolai uses alu. Lifetime components must be stronger than flimsy snapped chains and worn cassettes.
No wireless shifter!
Now there is finally a central battery that controls shifting, motor and lighting. No need to wireless stuff anymore. The reason I would never buy SRAM.
After seeing this bike it’s made me uninterested in anything that doesn’t have PinionMGU & Gates Carbon Drive. What have you done to me?!! 😅 Amazing stuff
It really is the way to go for the next step in ebike development. Surely other brands will start to compete with new propositions, and finally Shimano or Sram will buy some of those companies and every single ebike will be derailleur-less!
The future looks good
@@g.wilsondh8407 I’ve spoken to Zerode Bikes in NZ and they will be releasing an MGU/Carbon drive bike next year. I’m based in Australia so that’s the closest I could find for now. Still struggling with the $16,000 price tag, but honestly wouldn’t want anything less than a bike with these features
@@bernstockthat’s great news.
I’m definitely down for one as well
@@bernstock awesome! Thanks
@@bernstockwhat suspension and brakes is it specced with for that money?
We desperately need a bigger bike brand to take pinion on! Starting at 10k is just way too high! Cannot wait for this to become more affordable but without someone like canyon for example taking this on for many it’s just a pipe dream! Fingers crossed this gets the buy in it very much needs!!!
And make a commuter bike....
A Propain Ekano with Pinion MGU would obliterate the market of current ebikes.. and Propain and Pinion are basically neighbours. Just saying!
@@SolarizeYourLife you don't need a MGU on commuter bike :D that's just waste of parts. single speed with 250w hub motor is more than enough for your 2km commute
@@DuBstep115 who the hell are you telling me tho BS do you have to bike 400 m climb to work everyday??? Screw off...
Specialized would have this bike at $20,000 .
4:14 Leo from Pole with a Pole T Shirt! (I hope a good sign). I love my Voima....please get Pole up and running and make a Voima with this drivetrain. I am in.....
Fingers crossed Pole to live again!
@@finrodddwhat happened to pole?
I love my voima gutted they went bust, i spotted him too lets hope sth is happening
They aren't. I emailed them last year and they flat out refused to even consider the MGU.
@@bushflyr7335 probably they had much more serious problems back then. How sad, IMO they were really cool brand.
When the Mondraker Guy in your last Podcast said he was skeptical about the Pinion MGU it was clear to me that the whole industry fears the impact of this technology. It will be interesting when other manufacturers are able to enter the integrated market. As a consumer I would certainly rather wait for a better selection of similar bikes instead of buying old derailed tech.
there is literally no reason to buy anyhting else. no matter what specialized or anyone comes out with now.. if i see a derailuer i'm thinking "old surpassed tech"
If Doddy was still with GMBN there would 100% be an episode where he waxed lyrical about how amazing the Pinion MGU is.
@@alexioflexio8818 I was thinking the same when I bought my Radon Render in 2021with at that time the best motor: Bosch CX. Now 3 year I hate the crap design they did on the Bosch CX and the waterproofness. Plenty stuff can still go wrong with a MGU with plastic gears or misalligned bearings or not enough cooling etc. Only time will tell. I definitely will wait a few years but I really like the concept.
Absolutely the best thing to hit the EMTB market, can't wait to see your build in progress 👍
Problem with it is that it can't be chipped. Not so important with EMTB but crucial (my opinion based on over 10 years of e-bike experience) when it comes to road or touring bikes.
@@mamadjun what do you mean by "chipped" ? Pinion also has a version that is for Pedelecs w/o the 25kmh limit
I would buy it immediately if it would be 180/180 travel, mixed wheels, max 440 mm chainstay length. I really hope one manufacturer will make a bike with this specification and with this MGU.
I remember seeing Nicolai's first gearbox back in the day and thinking "this is the future" but the industry wasn't ready and the market wasn't there. It's so great to see their dream becoming a reality, it's just a shame it took so long.
Think I'd still rather have my gears separate to my motor. If my gears should fail then it's only a £40-100 part. Not take the motor off and sent to manufacturer and wait weeks/months job.
@@tombowman4489 How many gear boxes youv'e changed on your car?
@@moozeex1 this particular car I'm driving now none lol. But that's not to say I've not had grear boxes go on vehicles over the years because I have more than once. And on my car my engine and my gearbox are separate things. One braking does not mean taking out or replacing the other.
Also my cars and vans do not get subjected to the water, grit and mud that my ebikes do. Ebikes motors DO fail ALOT.
@@tombowman4489 This one is not like the other motors on the market - it is oil filled like a "real" gearbox.
@@Derbloongood point. I do definitely dig the concept and the thought of it being more reliable than others motors. Only time will till I guess.
When is Pinion going to come to bikes in the US
I rode this and the Simplon MGU and loved them both. I was torn between the two but ended up going for the Simplon.
Both are amazing though.
Why the simplom ? The nicolai looks like a much more premium bike
can't wait for derailers to be things of the past. its long overdue.
They been gay since 85
Looks a great upgrade for sure love how Nicolai have interesting frame designs
Lovely bikes those Nicolais. Really hope these Pinion MGUs filter down to less boutique brands because 10k on a bike is too much for me.
Let Rob explain what happens when there is a Bosch motor and/or pinion transmission failure for this bike. How warranty works, how long warranty will be effective and what the related downtime is. This isn't like you taking your BMW motorcycle to the BMW dealer.
This is pretty much the biggest thing I think about when buying any new ebike at the moment bike at.
If it lasts as long as the other gearboxes from Pinion there should be no problems with longevity. It has an oil filling that is way better versus conventional motors that let water in through the gaskets.
I’ll tell you what happens when there’s a Bosch motor failure. We take your bike, verify that it’s warranty. We drop the motor and work out what the issue is, and if it can’t be fixed, then we go into the system and apply to Bosch to have it replaced, stating what it issue is. They then send us a new motor, and we send the old one back. In less than a week it’s replaced with a new replacement, and ready for the customer. I have no experience with Pinion though.
Yep I've heard lots of stories of excellent after sales service from Bosch. Had a little experience myself where I had to call them and found them to be great. Getting through to them was easy and the advice was sound. Don't think you can call anyone in relation to other brand motor on my other bike and I know they don't releas parts either. For this reason and the fact I can't afford pinion or that new DJI system my next bike will be a Bosch powered.
love this bike - i keep putting off purchasing my first EMBT waiting for a shelf plateau of tech but it just keeps getting better
Great work Rob, this has to be the future or variations of this at least. ZF motor looks super interesting too.
Give me a 190mm version and I'm sold.
Finally he is so right!!
I have been waiting 20 plus years for this
Great to see Nicolai on the Pinion train, but I noticed that CNC'd / embossed surface of the frame makes it near impossible to cover with frame protection film.
Hope not every Pinion bike end up in the $10K+ segment and we can actually get one for $6K.
It's a nice concept, although not worth the hefty price tag. Plus keeping your gears separate from the motor does have a few benefits.
I have an emtb (Commencal) I go through drivetrains as if they were going out of style. 2 cassettes and front rings a year and 3 to 4 chains a year. Ebikes are hard on drivetrains. I really like the idea of the internal gears and using a belt. With the higher price tag, I think I'd save money on replacing my drivetrain in the long run. When they come to my neck of the woods (West Coast Canada) to test ride, I'll be definitely testing one out.
@@surfingmoose have you ever thought of trying a geared hub, kindernay do a hub that can take 160nm, you can even get belt drive, and you could convert a bike to belt drive on most FS bikes.
@@acelectricalsecurity was thinking of a rohloff at one point but that was for an analog bike. I'll look at kindernay hub. Thanks for pointing that out.
my dream bike, but the price :(
The MGU is the Future, just need to team up with DJI and we have the future for all of us.
Why this gearbox combined concept wasn't adopted from day one with Ebikes I don't know.
When is Nicolai going to make a mullet 180/180 model? Sign me up!
if the bike rides as impressively as the engineering behind it, this is going to be a huge leap.
I visited the EuroBike today. This thing is hell of a weightmonster, buuuuut the drop producing absolutly no Sound at all, is soooo satisfying.
this is the only bike i want. finally, it feels like we have a fully resolved emtb with the right features. everything else was just building up to this moment. when are you selling in USA please?
Cool bike. That price though😬
👍Nice bike😋
It should be nice to know the over rin "time limit" (how long time the motor gives padel free assist) in race😊.
I would buy the first SL "gearbox" Emtb when it comes with a ability to torq controll by the rider and its gona have stepless variator as in a Snowmobile with a belt. This stuff gona be protected in this "gearbox" and have same Gates Carbon drive.
This would be light, silent, above all maintenance free🤔😅
We need these in USA/Canada.. make it happen Nicolai!
This is my dream bike !
If the pro auto shift override is used too much the bike should alter the fixed cadence to a more suitable range for the rider , e.g. if you set cadence at 80 but are constantly down shifting it should set to 79 , then 78 and creep it until the rider mostly stops down shifting manually , an early up shift should alter it the other way , all averaged out over several mins of use . Gradient should also alter the cadence slightly IF you choose to have that happen . or the app should recommend your best cadence based on your actual demand .
It does do that. If you override the auto.shift in the pro mode, it analyses the new cadence and adjusts to it. So no more fighting with automatic shifting like with other systems.
Only waiting for two more add ons . 1 150nm torque motor 2 Manuel over ride lever
Would love a pinion option in Canada
Yes, even if only for test rides.
I am waiting for some lightweight emtb with pinion. Thats my nextbike. I.e. if they put it on Orbea Rise which weighs 15.9kg, the bike would be how much? 18kg? Yes, please!
Check the Bulls Vuca with carbon frame and MGU
@@Derbloon I read somewhere it is 25kg. I am looking for something below 20kg. But thanks for the tip anyway.
Are you going to change your bike colour from RAW to cherry now? Looks a gorgeous red.
I keep changing my mind! I also saw a real nice light green colour Nicolai!! too many decisions haha
@@RobRidesEMTB Your first thought about no paint means no chipping / no rust is still a sensible one.
That's the way to do it 🙂
Just TRY to get one in the US. Can’t be done so far. Love the Pinion MGU; is it UL listed yet?
When can we get this bike in the US?
I raelly really want this bike. perhaps they will sell the motor and frame separately which will make it easier for me to get.
Once again and always - price! 💞
price is teh last thing to worry about. get the right product fo ryou. you can always work harder.. this is small money. just get industrious and you won't worry about money anymore. this is the best bike.. price is basically irrelevant.
I watched this video now the 3rd time.
Tells me i will buy it...
I saw Leo in the background 🤞
Yeah, I spotted that on his mobile. It looked like he was replying to emails /social media regarding swing arms
😂😂😂 seriously tho will be interesting to see how pole return and what they will launch with. Have a lot to work to cover with regard to consumer confidence in the brand.
Hoping this bike comes to Canada someday, I really think it could be the last bike I ever buy.
Is this really significant updates? I do not see that in daily riding to be honest - I have an Rohloff with Bosch - and blet drive. SO kind of samesame but different - this does not ofer autoshift yet - but after all - that is "dont think or care" system, availabel since years - now with MGU from pinion, but was there 10Years ago too... Might be little different for tech section riders... I rode mountain bike 25years ago... back then light bikes were the most important thing - nothing changes there ;) The Chain drive was and is working pretty well.
I want this bike , i have th efunds for this bike, But according to Nicolai i cant as im in australia and something to do with the battery not being allowed for sale as of yet... would be great to know of a workaround :P
Rob did you order from the Nicolai website for shipping to the UK?
Its definitely a bike made for journalists. Flash looking and lots of features to talk about. Not what I or anyone really needs. Maintenance is about cost, and the MGU cost exceeds regular maintenance.
So every time a new motor comes out you will have to buy a hole new bike again, correct? or can you just buy the new motor to put into your 1 year old bike?
Amasing bike❤ would love to know the frame weight of the Saturn 16 mgu ?
I’ve contacted Nicolai about when the Saturn 16 will be available in the USA and told the battery is not USA certified yet? Anyone any further intel on what this really means and when might bikes be available for purchase? Cheers,
I love it, can we please get it with an 800 W hour battery, 1000 W peak motor with 120 N meters of torque.? Pretty please?
Well that's easy then, the pinion mgu has main battery's up to 950Wh, with an option for an extension battery of 530Wh.
The strongest motor is 800 Watt and has 160nm torque in the lowest gears.
Haha, delivering to the UK costs more than the bike itself! £10,000 delivery charge? They must be having a right laugh-probably trying to fund their next holiday! 😂
2018 bug: motor surges
2020 feature: motor doesn't surge
2025 feature: motor surges
It was a bug, now a feature.
So is this an upcoming model or is this available now and is it a software update?
@RobRidesEMTB what is the warranty on the Pinion MGU and what does it encompass
Dear Santa
Can I ask you did you hearing about battery graphene which any bike has this technology.
Bro is riding 10 × my net worth💀😭
What is all this recent hype for overrun? Do we really need it? I think not. My latest bike has almost none (RM powerplay) and it is a way better climber for it. Less overrun = more control. The amount of times overrun would be beneficial is very limited for the average user. But overrun is the nr. 1 reason for destroying chains and cassettes. So if you are going to make overrun a standard feature at least have the user be able to select the amount, or allow it to be turned off.
Muito tope ésa baike meu sonho é ter uma dessa
Future is NOW 🙌 take my money🤪
It's all good but if you can't get one how is anyone in Australia ever going to get one. The Pinion MGU is a great design but the coffee grinder uphill sound would kill the joy of riding for me. It's a shame someone doesn't get the Revonte system into production .My SUPER QUIET and smooth 1.3 Aluminium 90Nm Brose motor and a Rohloff hub is still my choice. E=Mtb²
Did you get your bike already?
@Leokokkonen in the background at around @4:14, a colab planned to but out the remains of Pole Bicycles.....
Price is important but the total weight is more so. Can you go uphill after the battery runs out?
of course you can, if your legs are strong enough!
The manufacturer (Pinion) says you can change gears 1000 times before the battery runs out
How large a battery will this frame hold.. and removable??
0:19 Rob Heran's head :D
No wonder it's expensive. 2 hours of CNC machining, welding TIG by hands . No doubt it's high quality, but you now, some Eastern guys could stolen the idea. Make stamping, casting, automatic welding lines and as a result cheaper in a great volumes
Yes, however still a knock-off. The difference between a Rolex and a Bolex.
Retail price in the States?
if Pinion changes their measurements, ya can’t replace the gears / motors.
Pole bikes woud perfectly fit to nicolais brand. just saying
Can I get one shipped to the USA?
How much does the bike weigh ?
Please tell me you do it in raw aluminium 😊
Sure, Nicolai is offering it in "factory raw" 🤝
DJI bike has ruined interest in any other bike for me. Damn you Rob!
R thoughs sold in the us ?
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11k bike made of aluminum with only 5 year warranty. At least Van Nicholas offers lifetime frame warranty on its titanium bikes
How much $$$ ? Can I get a KTM 350 for the same price ?
what's with that high noize level?
11000€?! Nuts! I can get a KTM motorbike for that almost.
yes but this is more fun i think. bigger faster isn't always better.. i might not dirtbike as much if i have this.
You can have a Kove 450 Rally for 10k€, and spend the remaining 1000 on petrol.
@@Un1uM Makes sense.
@@markosteinberger I’d take the Nicolai over the KTM. In England there’s not many places you can legally ride a dirt bike off road. On an ebike you can go wherever a normal bike can go.
I’m fortunate enough to own a motorbike a normal mtb and an emtb and if I could only keep one I’d choose the emtb in a heartbeat.
The Nicolai is undoubtedly very expensive but it is a boutique brand and not a mass produced item like a KTM.
Hopefully cheaper brands will adopt the pinion MGU in the future.
Thats exactly why I wont buy an ebike, the technology is moving too fast at the moment. If i buy one it will be out of date within a couple years. My normal bike will hold up a lot longer. Maybe once the tech slows down I'll look into getting one.
Does i really weigh 27 kg? 59.52 lbs?
Why cnc when you can cast....
You said you ordered one Rob. So where can i buy one in the uk?
They’ve just approved for UK sales. You can email Nicolai direct and they will be able to arrange this.
@@RobRidesEMTBIt’s an amazing bike Rob and the top of my list but warranty really worries me. If it has a major issue is there a UK base it can be sent to or would it have to be shipped back to Germany?
I believe that was one of the things they were sorting out, leading to the delay getting the UK approved. My understanding is they have now sorted warranty support in the UK.
When are they going to have pinion emtbs in the US?@@RobRidesEMTB
Rob, I've got a Voima, and my kenevo sl doesn't get ridden much now. I'm in Utah, US. We need this brand here. Where do I buy? 190mm please:).
Been riding Nicolai bikes for 2 decades but this bike is priced a bit to high for my pocket
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Eu moro no Brasil na Bahia em Ilhéus terra do surf motonbike
What are the drive train losses when running without electricity? Has any CZcamsr bothered to test any eMTB motor for pedaling losses?
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weight?!
Apprix 26 KG - I have purchased mine to build up in a dream build vid and will be sure to add the bike to the scales.
A small car is cheaper than this bike , but it’s the future,hopefully cheaper in the future
Que pena que não tenho dinheiro pra comprar uma pra mim.
Why buy this with a bike like the DJI AMFLOW ebike with 120nm, 1000w AVINOX motor is available for order??? Oh, I forgot, you youtube guys make so much money you can have as many new ebikes as you want!
Rob eu vejo seus vídeos muitas bikes boas eu gosto muito eu gosto de criar minhas peças garfos cubos eu queria ter um lugar eu não tenho crio peças de bike no meu quarto
10.500k...wo sill das noch hinführen 🤦🏻
Eu queria fazer bikes para marca bmw