Green Book: History vs. Hollywood
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We compare the Green Book movie to the true story of pianist Don Shirley and his driver Tony Lip, portrayed by Mahershala Ali and Viggo Mortensen in the Oscar-winning movie. To fact-check Green Book, we travel back to 1962 America during the civil rights era. After watching the video, to get more information on the true story behind Green Book and how it differs from the movie, check out our article here: www.historyvshollywood.com/ree...
Virgo’s performance was superb, absolutely Oscar worthy
Perhaps you're right about Virgo, but the story was almost completely fictionalized.
Unfortunately, he’s not allowed to win anymore. Hollywood got WOKE!
*viggo
The king of Gondor is truly amazing
@@TampaJohn why do you say that
Tony Vallelonga's son swears the scenes of his father in this movie are true.
However, he also admits his father was one of the biggest bullshitters in history.
I enjoyed the movie and your comments about it. Thank you for emphasizing the truth vs. fiction facts concerning the movie. To me it was easy to see the change of racism in Tonylip which was based on understanding Mr. Shirley's gifted life. It will always be one of my favorite films
@Jayden Chris Wow amazing! I was totally not paid to comment on random videos about bullshit products.
...I think as a young man, in early 50s, my father went through a "Tony", life changing experience...
I have heard audio recordings of Shirley describing how he 100% trusted his life in the hands of Tony, how he teached him to speak english because "Lip was one of those Lower East Side Italians who had jaw of a bulldog", how Lip saved him in that bar from armed locals (depicted in the movie) and other things.
@@joonaslehtonen7965 Still doesn't prove everything in this movie is accurate.
Both Don and Tony were sooo different yet very likable , high class and salt of the earth. A movie I will see again !
I wouldn't call Tony likable in totality. Tony was racist! He only changed his mind after an occurrence with one black person, which didn't change behaviors and fertility because he still inserted his micro aggressions on others!
Here is a History vs. Hollywood in the movie in regards to The Don Shirley Trio. I know the trio was not a focal point of the movie but there were scenes in the movie that had interaction with the trio and thought it would be interesting to comment. The movie shows that the cello player's name in the trio was "Oleg" (played by Dimiter Marinov) and that he was Russian. The fact is that the cello player's real name is Juri Taht and he is not Russian but Estonian. He does not even speak Russian. I know this because he is my Uncle. My father was his youngest brother. Also, according to my Uncle, he never saw Shirley drink alcohol after performances.
So did ur uncle really snitch to dr Shirley about tony lip stealing that rock? Lol
Eric thank you for sharing
In the movie, he didn't drink around the 2 other band members. Plus, he was staying at the hotels where only the African American's would stay. That's when he would rink. How would your uncle know this, if he wasn't staying at the same hotel, etc?
Eric Taht is You’re uncle still alive?
@@yannickleroux3212 Yes. He is currently living in Estonia and has become a minor celebrity since the movie come out. He is the last surviving member of the Don Shirley Trio. Here is a link to an article that was written in Estonia by his Daughter in Law. You can use Google Translate to read the article. There is a current picture of him with the cello he played during his time with Shirley. tartu.postimees.ee/6538200/oscari-filmi-tsellisti-prototuup-juri-taht-roheline-raamat-voimendab-rassilist-eristamist?fbclid=IwAR1k3SGh0zlPzh4YvcGYfcTKPQGO5tnUR8AEr5W2VngjCQGgaA5MGuqf9uk
This movie was so good that I completely forgot about the apple pie I had baking in the oven
Timers are everything! @Robyn Carlson
I loved the movie, too.
Also, I hope you took your pie out of the oven by now! 🙂
Aragon to Tony Lip.. His performance is unbelievable
That musical piece at the end was perfect
Wow I would never known that Tony Lip played Carmine in the sopranos, that's really neat
Yea that is pretty rad
I couldn't believe my eyes when i saw his real life picture in the credits. Seems just so random.
I recognized the name but figured it was a different Tony.
He was also in the open wedding scene in The Godfather smoking a cigar.
Very interesting! Thanks! I was expecting the movie to be about the actual Green Book as I remember not being able to stop at certain places as my family while we traveled when I was a child. When I went to see the movie, as soon as "Lip" said he was looking for "Dr. Shirley" then another character called his whole name, a light of recognition went off in my head from my childhood. My mother played Don Shirley's music on many Saturday mornings. When I was in high school, he played for a benefit for our Saturday art classes which were sponsored by the Links. It was wonderful to actually see him play music I'd heard for years. Don Shirley was fantastic! The movie was as well!
Very interesting! This began in 1962, the year I graduated....
We have to see it.....
I'm sorry that happened to you and your family. It's all about control
That's pretty damn cool.
Kathy Michael: Thank you for sharing your personal story.👍✌🤘😷🤘
Tonight I seen the play. The play was actually focused more on the purpose of the green book and its value. It's a very informative play. I'm so glad I took the time to see it
This is so well edited and presented. I greatly appreciate your intelligent and insightful background to these men's lives. Thank you for your efforts in these vids.
It's great to see these kinds of stories coming out of Hollywood. This one seems to have been pretty close to events as they happened and it's fascinating to see the responses it evokes.
I just saw the film and it was incredible. I'm glad things like this exist to see what happened in real life vs film.
This movie was absolutely brilliant! Definitely in my top 10!
How this film didn't singlehandedly end racism boggles my mind.
I didn't know the history of this man because I was born and raised in Africa but for my love of American movies I came across the movie and I fell in love with the story so I had to google him and learned more about him. Thanks for the information you provided for us.
• In case you're wondering....here's the unnamed, un-credited song that supported the mood flow throughout scene transitions of the 2019 Oscar winner for Best Picture, "Green Book."
• For the life of me, I don't know why it was not ID'ed or credited. Growing up in 1955, it was my favorite chill-out relief that was captured on one side of a single 45-RPM record. If you watched "Green Book," you'll immediately recognize it..."Lost Dreams," written and recorded by the Ernie Freeman, a Pop, R&B, and Jazz pianist (not to be confused with the film's main character, Don Shirley, an African-American classical and jazz pianist and composer).
• My take of the movie: Excellent, well-deserving of the Oscar, great acting, and great soundtrack...with exception of not crediting "Lost Dreams" and Ernie Freeman and co-composer, Irving Ashby.
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"Viggo more-TEN-son"? It's "Vee-go MOR-ten-sen".
I loved this movie when I saw it in the theater last year, it's well worth adding to your collection!
Concerto is an Italian word and is pronounced “con-CHAIR-to.” It’s not just “concert” with an “o” tacked on.
drives me nuts when they mis - pronounce porshe too . ugh
Concherto
Tameka P and it drives me nuts when Porsche is misspelled....just saying.
Never mind the fact that he's also butchers g the hell out of Viggo Mortensen's name! It's quite distracting.
You're wrong. It's pronounced concherto. Dont be a clever dick.
I hope no one expects real history and Hollywood movies to be exact? I watched “Green Book” last weekend and thoroughly enjoyed it. Especially Vigo Mortensen’s performance. I’m first generation Sicilian l’m telling you he was awesome. It felt like watching my Uncles talking to their “Gumbas”! Vigo’s performance made the movie for me.
Good for Viggo, but this is a "white savior" b.s. movie. Oh, look at the Italian guy show the poor black man how to eat fried chicken, or HOW TO PLAY HIS OWN MUSIC. Smh.
@@kateichacker3145 Umm... no? The fried chicken bit is a lighthearted scene to showcase their developing friendship, the "play his own music" bit is intended to come off as ignorant because Tony is ignorant. He develops throughout the movie but he's still a human being on a journey to become someone better. The people who call this a "white savior" movie have a fundamental misunderstanding of the role that race plays in this film. Yes, the plot and theme are racially driven, but race plays a much smaller part in the interactions between Tony and Shirley, the more prominent influence on behaviors being class. Shirley teaches Tony to write and enunciate because he's educated and refined; Tony teaches Shirley to eat with his hands and throw bones out of the window because he's blue collar and relaxed. Most importantly, Shirley is not the only one being "saved", both Tony and Shirley become better people for knowing one another.
Go look up how Shirley's actual family feels about this film, then come back to me with your facile bullshit.
@@kateichacker3145 It's a movie, how Shirley's family "feels" about it is irrelevant.
@@farshimelt no, it isn't. If a movie character is based on a real person, that person's family has every right to be offended, if the portrayal is inaccurate.
I am a real fan of Viggo Mortenson as he chooses roles because they genuinely interest him rather than for the money or the "fame". It was his son who had to talk him into taking the "Lord of the Rings" role of Aragorn. My only complaint with this video is that the presenter keeps mispronouncing his name. "Mortensen" is pronounced with the emphasis on the first syllable not the second.
OH MY GOD HE'S ARAGORN?! That's why I kept finding him extremely attractive!! (it's because he's extremely attractive)
People pronounce words differently? No way!
Its leviOsa, not leviosAH
Are you sure you are a fan? If I was a fan, I would make sure to write his name correctly, lol. 🙂
One of the best movies I have ever seen in 57 years...top 10 for sure .
Saw movie yesterday so this is great info for filmmakers in particular.
Thank you, whoever produced this video.
A wonderful job, of relating this musical genius’s life. Like Nina Simone, they were very suppressed as performers. Congratulations of properly presenting Don Shirley’s life
What a wonderful documentary. Thank you for this take on American History and Friendship.
“Unless they’re making a documentary, filmmakers are history’s interpreters, not its chroniclers. Green Book interprets the sea of historical events to reveal a truth relevant to today: Resist those who would tell you to know your place.” -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, from an essay in The Hollywood Reporter
This movie reminded me of Plains Trains and Automobiles in so many ways. Don was Steve Martin and Tony was John Candy.
I just watched the movie..."Green Book". It was amazing!!! I am about to watch it again.
Same, made me cry too
Yes, I've watched it several times, never gets boring 😊
@@marzplayz2709 i was holding my tears.. Till dolores hug him and said thank u about the letter.. 🤣
My new favorite movie. Love, love, loved it. Tony's wife was so pretty.
I think she’s from freaks and geeks
Fried chicken
I think we all know what they move their hand too...
Assume what I mean, whoever gets it correct I will call out and edit this to that answer
@@evanextreme6157 I don't have the time to do that for I am a very busy man.
GullyBop If you had the time to type that down, not that busy :/
This was an interesting piece. Thanks for the info.
It was about two different guys coming from different worlds who became very good friends for many years
Love the historical details
It was an awesome movie! It was a hidden jam for me! Stellar performances by all the actors in the movie!
Just got around to watching the movie today ( almost 7 years to the day of Dr Shirley's death) & thoroughly enjoyed it. Thanks for posting this, I appreciated this as well.👍✌🤘😷🤘
Very good. It made me think of the phrase don't judge me until you "walk in my shoes." But in this case it was like until you walk beside me, and see my life!! 👍🏽💕💕
Just found your channel. Fantastic work.keep it up
Excellent work fascinating insight!
Loved this movie. It definitely deserved best picture. Dr. Shirley was a brilliant and talented man.
Moved me to tears this film. Just awesome
Truly a excellent film. That's why I love biographies, such substance.
So Don Shirley was living in Carnegie Hall when I performed there in 1998. Interesting. Also the diner and shower scene were done in New Orleans at Clover Grill and the New Orleans Athletic Club.
You know how to get to Carnegie Hall??????????????????? Practice! :))
when a man can forgive those who hate him and still be civil is what we should strive to achieve
One of my favorite movies of all time, so many special moments. I can relate to Tony, this is a classic in my book.
This is a great movie. I love it. I learn history with this movie. I have never heard of Donald Shirley and the Green Book.
Carmine Lupertazzi was Tony Lip?!?!?!
There are millions of dollars at stake.
@@flightofthebumblebee9529
Again with the money?
The don doesn’t wear shorts
Not if you want him clipped over it
other way around..
Saw the movie twice...very beautiful story and inspiring as well..i would tell my friends to see it too...
Very interesting video, one of my favorite films I've seen the past few yeats
Very informative thanks brother
Great story about racism and how to people overcame it and came together but the real reason I'm here is Viggo Mortensen's unbelievable performance , what an actor! Mashallah Ali did a fantastic job as well.
Loved this movie, couldn’t stop watching the interaction between two characters. They were both changed by their experiences and time together. Didn’t think he was a homosexual, as they portrayed in the movie. I was lucky to see it twice. Loved it.
He was a homosexual - as portrayed in the movie
Thank you for this! Well done... will watch
Thank you for this informative video. I enjoyed it very much. Are you a fan of the film? I loved it and am embarrassed to admit that I've seen the movie 11 times so far and plan to buy the DVD. You answered some of the questions I had, so thank you. However, I still wonder about a few things. Perhaps you might know the answers? 1). Was there really a lucky rock? 2). Did the bar incident where Doc was got roughed up really occur? 3). They said that Doc and Tony remained lifelong friends, but I cannot find any photos of them together. Thanks again for the enjoyable video, and great job!
Steve, I'm glad you enjoyed the video and found it helpful. I enjoyed he film as well. As for your questions, no, I never came across any mention of the lucky rock. My guess is that it's fictional. With regard to the bar incident, a very similar incident did occur in real life, and it resulted in them being chased by an armed pack of white locals. The notion that they remained lifelong friends is questionable. I came across an interview with another friend who said that he didn't know of any other friends besides himself that Shirley had later in life. It's nice to imagine, but it seems that they may have lost touch.
@@HistoryvsHollywoodOfficial Cool, thanks. I did stumble across a few recordings of Tony talking about the trip, which I'm sure you did as well. According to his son, Nick, there are hours and hours of tapes. I wish they would release all of them, because they're pretty interesting. I only heard one clip of Shirley. It's where is talking about how he trusted Tony implicity and that he was more than just an employee. Would be nice to hear more.
@@HistoryvsHollywoodOfficial Where's the tapes of him claiming that he was out-casted by his family and the entire black community because that just sounds like a way too much 'creative license' coming from the screenwriters.
@Moana Lahi its a white man white washing a black mans history like a puppet and trying to delegitimise his families concerns, and the academy just drooled and jizzed all over the film because its white control over the black experience and a downplaying of racism.
@Moana Lahi The writer claimed that Shirley himself told him not to contact his family in regards to the movie, throwing their relationship and intentions into question; I won't say either party is implicitly correct because it's really a "he said, she said" situation, but it's important to consider both perspectives and not take everything at face value.
Loved the film, but not enough of Shirley’s music in it.
I sure agree not enough of Shirley's music in it. That may have been the main reason I didn't love the film.
Un film extraordinar, care pune în valoare talentul actoricesc al celor doi protagoniști. Este o poveste frumoasă despre doi oameni care provin din medii diferite ;prietenia care se leagă între cei doi merită să fie menționată tocmai pentru că ei sunt atât de diferiți și totuși reușesc să devină atât de apropiați! Jocul celor doi este MAGISTRAL!
I totally loved it!!!! Such a great Story, beautifully Acted, and the Soundtrack fit very smoothly!!!!
Tony lip is Carmine Lupratazzi? That blew my mind
as soon as I heard that it brought be back to that scene in the golf course when he dies with egg salad coming out his mouth
Brings me back to "yeah, again with the money! so either name a price, or get the fuck over it!"
cuong bui he also is an extra In the first godfather
Same here
I think back to Uncle June saying "he's a slippery fuck isn't he, with those big fish lips."
Lmao blew my mind too
Re: this remark: "It must have been difficult for Shirley, living above the very stage that the color of his skin had kept him from performing on."
NO! It was the racism of those who operated the venue which would not permit this fine musician from playing classical piano in Carnegie Hall. His skin is just fine and quite blameless!
Very well said Margaret
Of course, that's what he meant.
It was just the times honey. Try not to take it personal
@@3myway D: and try not to take it personal when someone has taken the time to shift the wording in a subtle but important way that doesn't focus on the skin color as a problem, but on the actual source of the problem. Timely to do this, as we whites need to realize our people have very often been the problem, not the ones who had to grow up throwing off shame constantly as if THEIR color was a problem. Words frame how we think and feel about things. Something that may seem unimportant to you may in fact be more important than you can at first imagine.
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Driving Ms. Daisy meets 42. Excellent movie, great acting by both men.
Very Interesting story between Don Shirley and Tony Lip.
Don't call me Shirley.
My new favorite movie. Bronx Tale held me down for the past 25 years....now Green Book will be in heavy rotation.
Yes Indeed
Love the Fried chicken seen
Just watch it for the first time
Love it must watch it again.
Holy shit Tony Lip played Carmine Lupertazzi in Sopranos? Wow !!!!
Historically, Carmine always said the Sopranos were nothing more than a glorified crew
Don use to sing in Black churches as a kid. If that is so they feed him. Most likely chicken dinners, etc. Lip did not introduce him to fried chicken.
Can priests and pastors make fried chicken?
@@ede5302 Priests and Pastors don't do the cooking, that is done by the women of the congregation, Y'all.
We really need a movie on Victor Hugo Green. This movie was great on its own. But I thought I was going to learn more about the Green Book and its origins.
Damn shame a "Green Book" even needed to be created.
Sharee Brown I hear you. Great point. When were “all things being equal?”
A shame, but not a surprise.
Read the book slavery by another name “Green Book” was the least racist thing Hollywood was willing to include in that movie
@Danielle Jaeger There are social classes, but its about money not race.
@@rickyray2794 maybe now but it didn’t use to be. Economic segregation followed racial segregation.
Dr. Shirley was ADORABLE!!!😘
So was Tony's wife. She was so nice.
I'll watch anything that has Viggo in it. He's such a talented actor.
To end it with the piano piece? Class move, well done.
I enjoyed the movie I was made aware of the Green Book as a child my wife had no idea it ever existed the book can be used as a teaching tool in American history.
The same with "Sundown Towns". Films like this give you a small taste of just how much America hides it's inglorious past - how it tries to sweep such situations under the carpet and hope that it never rears it's ugly head again (ie never spoken about). That partially explains why that country has such problems in this department today - because they never really addressed the issues - the just tried to ignore them - possibly out of embarrassment - but more likely out of ignorance
rite away at 1:27 he mentions the condensing of time. When doing a " based on a true story" . That is always the case and its a fact that you just have to go with.
My dad is 75 he told me about those sun down towns he worked in concrete his whole life he was a Forman for 36 years anyway my dad told me he saw a few towns that in the store windows and even on the street they had signs that would say things like “nigger don’t let the sun shine on your back” that’s insane to me my dad worked for the union he said they’d have a lot of black guys work for them we are from Pennsylvania company wd based in Pittsburgh I think anyway he said even up until the 1980’s he saw that kind of shit
@BiteMe. Sundown towns were also common in the North. East Falls, a Philly neighborhood where Grace Kelley grew up, was one. Another one was next to Wynnewood , in Montgomery County outside Philly. There were quite a few of them_ up in the Poconos are more.
Thanks for elucidating and directing to other sources.
ABSOLUTELY LOVED THIS MOVIE I can watch it over and ,it's one of those movies that has a GREAT CAST and the dignity to both the main characters 💖‼️
Great movie. First saw it on the airplane while flying overseas. I must have watched it another 3 times on the return flight. I loved the end when Tony hugs Dr. Shirley in his doorway. He had completely changed from the man that wanted to throw out two drinking glasses because they were used by two Black plumbers. I remember seeing Tony Lip in so many mob movies including a horror/ comedy film “Innocent Blood.” A brief walk on appearance in “The Godfather “ in the wedding scene. Walked by with a cigar in his hand. I have the DVD and continue to watch it. My favorite movie.
He’s also carmine senior in the sopranos
Not bad & very tastefully done. 👍👍
This story almost made me cry!
thank you for this video and theses informations 🙂
Shirly looks like the pope interviewing Lip!
Great Movie! I was hoping to find out if the Birmingham scene in the movie was true... Did they actually ever walk out on a scheduled show because of the way Don Shirley was treated, like for not being allowed to eat in the dining room?
Its not just a movie...its an undesired tears that will flow despite of any will.Its a friendship movie.
Tony Lip also had a small part in the beginning of Pope of Greenwich Village ,,,he played a bookmaker
I order KFC delivery straight away after i watched the Kentucky Fried chicken scene ....lol
In the TV show Little House on the Prairie, Michael Landon ordered KFC to use as the Ingalls ate fried chicken on the show. (Dinty Moore Beef Stew for the Beef Stew.)
@@LiveINtheGood53Michael's daughter is on Yellowstone as Teeter the ranch wrangler.
Exceptional film with great casting!
I saw Don Shirley at the University of Colorado's Glenn Miller Ballroom sometime in the early 60's. I assume this was a part of the tour portrayed in the movie, although Boulder, Colorado is not in the South. I'm reasonably sure that Shirley played on the Baldwin piano that was on the ballroom's stage. I remember him as being a remarkable pianist.
The photograph of the Copacabana in this video is not the actual Copacabana in which Tony Lipp worked. The original Copa was much less ostentatious on the outside, and was located on (I think) 60th Street, or 61st Street half a block east of 5th Avenue. The place in the photograph was a place years later called the Copacabana, and I think that one was on 8th Avenue in the 40's but I wonder if it had any connection at all to the original. The earlier one had a bar on street level, but the main room was in the basement, whereas the one in the picture was on the second floor of whatever building that was.
reality is always more interesting. good job.
Excellent video about an excellent movie and two extraordinary people.
All the performances in this movie were fantastic
This video was a blessing for me. I collect DVDs that I would like to again and I own a copy of 'Green Book'.
I didn’t know what a green book was.
First time glad I watched it...
This movie was serious, but also entertaining. Thanks for the facts.
Your research is very thorough ... oustanding. SUBSCRIBED!
Thanks so much for creating this! Very well done!!
H v H, you need sound proofing in the room you record your audio, as there is lots of echo from your walls. Good luck
Heavy fabric or carpet on walls...
i heard clarity, then an almost muffled speech throughout, then clarity on the fried chicken edit, then muffled again.
Great movie. Would love to see a documentary on Dr. Shirley.
So would I. I do know that in his early days before he hit the big time, he used to tour small places around the country with just himself and a black stand-up bass player. One of the places he performed at was off 8 Mile Rd in Detroit called Bakers Keyboard Lounge which was just down the road from my house.
My mind was blown when i realised Carmine from Sopranos is the real life Tony Lip
That's a great account, thank you. One thing you didn't address: Did they (at any point) break their contract by refusing to play at a venue because Don Shirley couldn't eat there? That would be interesting to hear about.
I agree, I’d like to know.
So no one is going to mention that lip was Carmine from the sopranos. That's crazy to me.
Great movie, I saw 2x , now I ordered by the Internet. I want ot see more, and be in my dvd library
A beautiful and thought-provoking movie. I encourage anyone to watch it and not be moved by its most basic human expression. A true work of art.
That was a great video. tyvm