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The $1500 Gaming Chair. Worth the Upgrade? | Herman Miller x Logitech Embody Office Chair
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2020
- I was already a fan of the original Herman Miller Embody chair. So when this HM x Logitech gaming collaboration came out, I had to test it out for myself and see whether it lives up to the hype.
Herman Miller x Logitech Gaming Office Chair
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*One Month Later* Hmm... A couple things off the top of my head. 1) The Back Rest. I still feel like the back rest is stiffer/less flexible than the original one but I don't know if that's a universal change or something that softens with time. I've gotten used to the extra padding in the center spine area. The lumbar area is still a "small" source of pain for me in this chair but that's no different from my experience with the original. I still think that's the biggest potential dealbreaker for some since you can't move it higher/lower based the curve of your back. 2) Noise: This new chair doesn't make the same squeaking noise that my original Embody had made. According to HM, they fixed that squeaking noise on all Embodys and that this change was implemented around 2019. So it's possible there were some other minor revision changes since then that affect all Embodys. But... keep in mind that this chair will and does still have some mechanical/plastic/rubbing noises, which I think is unavoidable with such a flexible chair. 3) The Seat: It still feels kind of lumpy with that extra foam cushion and grooves in the seat. I think it will probably be more noticeable if you have longer legs and need to extend the seat pan out. But I don't think it's a deal breaker. 4) Headrest or Upper Neckrest. I wish there was an option to have a headrest on this chair. Lounging to some shows or playing console games would have been nicer with a headrest.
Thanks for the update, it's invaluable!
Nice review! I got mine about a week ago. I was wondering if you feel the seat is different than the original. I feel like the extra padding and lump on the seat is giving me some pressure on my thigh. If you felt the same way, did it go away after weeks of use? I also use it at home and wear shorts like you.
If you had to choose between the original or logitech version regardless of price which would you go for? What's ultimately more comfortable for long sitting, that's all I need to know so I don't have to buy both lol
@@ROllieHorne Sit in both and choose. TBH, the update looks like nothing more than an attempt to market a gaming chair.
@@MichaelJones-ff9gb ideally I would if I could. Just not sure if I'll be able to find both locally to try
watching this so intently with absolutely no intention of buying.
I used to say the same lol
Im thinking about it
@ its worth the wait. I ordered mine (customized) and it took almost 3 months. when I ordered back in may
HRWells but does it come with a comforting voice narration?
@@hrwells9698 does the chair hurt your butt be honest please ?
I was chairless .So I asked my parents to buy me this chair. Now I am Chairless and homeless.
lmfaooo
ROFL
I'm glad to say the issue brought up at 3:28 has been fixed! I got mine a week ago, and the foam has been extended all the way down the length of the seat bottom.
I'm thinking about ordering one myself, are you liking yours so far?
This guy hands down makes the best chair reviews
Finally got mine after a couple months of waiting and I have zero regrets. This thing is amazing.
I’m looking to get one. Any second thoughts after a year of use?
I´ve always been hesitant when it came to buying an expensive chair until recently when I finally bought one. A friend of mine recommended me a local company here in the Czech Republic called Therapia and I gave it a shot. I went to their store and I was surprised at how everything went there. They asked questions like: how long do you sit behind your PC, what´s your weight, what´s your height, how high is the PC, do you have any medical conditions, etc... After like 20 minutes of talking, they showed me two different models, to try them out, and honestly? I was amazed. I told them that I´d love to have one of them, so one of the employees took me to their office and showed me all the different customization options for that specific chair. You can choose different fabrics throughout the whole chair, different stitching, different color combinations of that whole setup, different headrest, and even different set of wheels. The whole chair cost almost $1.400, but it´s been the best chair and pretty much the best investment I´ve ever did.
I bought this chair, now I can sit very comfortably after my kidney operation.
That’s awesome to hear! I actually have some minor scars on my kidney area from an operation many years ago, and I’m looking into getting this chair to try to help avoid some pain in that area. Did you go with the Logitech or the regular one?
just got mine today, my first high end chair. My eyes have been opened and my life has been changed.
(I did manage to try on in person before I bought it)
When a chair cost more than your whole setup
Any setup will become nearly worthless in 4 - 5 years, the chair won't.
life long back pain...costs millions in opportunity costs
ambiva it’ll definitely lower in price significantly
That embody will hold its value way better than a 2080Ti.
@@Iknowvfx i feel dat feel, bro.
Really appreciate your thoughts on this! I literally ordered the Aeron yesterday, and I'm wishing I would have at least considered one of these Embody chairs. Cheers!
Didn't expect to see this
i returned my aeron remastered yesterday and now waiting for the logitech embody. not sure why, but i just expected more from the aeron. i just could not sit long enough comfortably on the aeron (3 hours max)
I have both chairs (aeron and normal embody). Both are great, but it really depends what you like in your chair. Aeron is great if you like to lean/rock back on your chair, which I like and you can get a great aftermarket headrest (atlas) another huge plus for me. So this is my main chair, aeron with headrest. If you just like sitting in upright position without headrest, then it doesn't get better than embody (most comfortable normal sitting position chair). But honestly you can't go wrong with either one.
herman miller has an amazing return policy, just saying
@@Kjin3 That makes me feel better! I ordered an Aeron in mineral color last week. I was having second thoughts on the order, wondering if I needed to go with the Embody. However, I'm quite heavier than the video reviewer... I think the flexible back may give me some issue, and I love rocking back on my chair :) Good comment!
glad you compared the two , most reviewers were writing them off as the same.
I've been looking for a review of this chair with exactly the information you so succinctly laid out. Thanks for making this video - it's been genuinely helpful.
This guy is going to have the healthiest spine in the world
No, not at all, I think :) This chair doesn't really bring much (if anything) to what standard office chairs have been giving us for years.
Moreover it has serious flaws, which make it not really ergonomic:
No headrest (so constant reclining will damage your thoracic spine) and pretty small heap angle.
BTW: Please notice that author is pretty young and has a good posture :) But be sure that years of sitting in such chair (not only in Embody, but in all similar chairs too) will damage his spine seriously.
Don't take my word for it, but learn how the human's spine really works :)
@@greg4506 so what is the best chair for u?
@@deivisony he sits in a mahogany wooden stool and uses his huge lat muscles as back support
@@Dog3D i've seen the Edge gx1 i think it's called and it has backrest. Do you think it's Better than this?
@@greg4506 headrsst is not that healthy
David, WHERRRREEEE HAVE YOU BEEEEENNN
I have the same chair. I bought it brand new a week ago and I’ve been trying to find flaws in the chair but I have yet to find something that would give me something to really complain about. I think the chair is well built. I purchased this chair for $1100 shipped to my door brand new. I couldn’t give up the opportunity to own this chair for $500 less.
WHere did you find it for cheaper
yeah whereeee??
I bought my gaming embody today as well for 1200€. It just happens that the price goes down for no reason. I was lucky cuz I stopped checking for chairs for 2 months now but something told me to check it's price again today
Thank you so much! I have been waiting for someone to legitimately compare the new Logitech version to the standard Embody.
Will this Chair get me to Challenger when I'm at Bronze 5, in League of legends.
Best chair review! Thank you for your time, effort and attention to detail. This was extremely helpful
Just wanted to say you've inspired my creation processes here on CZcams and I love your channel to death! Thank you for what you do!
Can you please, please do a Budget Ergonomic Chair Review. I know that most people just recommend buying a used Herman Miller. But finding one is hard and you have to overcome the tolerance for buying used items. I'd really like to see a reviewer who i can trust.
Hyken/Dexley, Ergochair 2, Workpro quantum 9000 and Steelcase Leap v2 are good chairs ranging from $200 to $600.
" you have to overcome the tolerance for buying used items" At least you can find used, in the past two years here in the EU finding an used Aeron became a nightmare. Broken ones go for €600+. I'm considering buying new, from next month.
Finally a chair review that doesn't just shower praise on the sponsored chair.
It isn't a sponsored chair. A sponsorship is literally an ad, of course a sponsored chair would be showered with praise. If this was a sponsored video, you can be sure it would have been, but to my knowledge David has never done a sponsored video.
Thank you for the video! You've answered a lot of the questions I've had about the differences between the gaming & original versions of the Embody.
I was focusing on that big screen, not the chair! 😂😂
I bought the chair!
only problem i have the same 0.47 Kd....
don't change a thing with your reviews, they are perfect
im sitting on a 20Bucks wood chair from ikea since 5 years and watching a video about 1300 Bucks chair i never buy lmao
This just made it harder for me to choose this or the original. Which did you end up preferring now that some time has passed?
Ordered this thing over a month ago. Estimated to ship first week of September. I'm super anxious to try this chair out as all I've ever used were those "gamer" racing style chairs that every "gamer chair" manufacturer produces. The price is a hard pill to swallow but if I don't have to buy a new chair for the next couple years its a good investment.
Dude your channel blew up so much! Keep up the great content and cinematography.
i was waiting for someone to make this comparison. amazing and very detailed review thx !
For the regular Embody would you recommend the Sync or Balance Fabric? Which did you like better?
I've been looking forward to and hoping you'd review this chair. I wonder, as I can't recall--did you ever try the Aeron? I'm trying to decide between then two.
Thanks for the review and update David. I've seen at least 5 other reviews on HM's own webpage for this where they complained about the new seat foam abruptly "cutting off". I collated and sent these to HM in the hope they rectify this. One dude just bought some extra foam himself and slipped it in the space there to pad it out more, so at least it's semi-fixable.
Shame they didn't improve the arms as this was one of the other major complaints. I hope they come out with better versions one day as apparently, they're detachable? Could easily be upgraded.
I've not seen any complaints about the new back foam being only along the spine though, a tad concerning as I'm the EXACT same height / weight as you. I did read many reviews of the previous embody though where people complained the plastic "arms" in the back were digging into them. I assume that's not as bad now? I'm hoping your complaints about the back were just because you were able to compare with the original Embody, (I've currently used neither).
I'm looking for a new chair myself and really considering this one. They HAVE to come out with some alternate colour options though as that blue is fooking horrible and my missus has explitly forbidden it, as it doesn't match anything in our house. If they do come out with alternate colours though (Dark red for me, purple for her), she'll be wanting one, too as her DX Racer is predictably falling to bits in it's 3rd year.
A little concerning it's still a "hmm". Would definitely appreciate some updates as you get on and "break in" this chair. Do you think it would be great for someone (your height and weight) who's never tried the previous embody, and therefore doesn't know the difference? I'm currently sitting in an old version of one of these lol, with a Bonmedico bum and back cushion as my arse has ground a hole through the padding over the last 8 years: www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004P8J1A8
As to the headrest, they say you don't need one, but it would still be nice to have the option. They should have made the "Flap" bit at the back on a hinge, where you can flip it up and rest your head on that!
UPDATE: In the UK - Black version of this chair, they've fixed the foam issue! It extends all the way to the end. Comparison: imgur.com/a/TQkaKZP
@@BobT36 Many thanks for this. Do you know if they fixed it only on the black version or did they also fix it on the black/blue version?
@@bilaltahir9978 I only have the black one, however I believe they fixed it for the blue, too.
Still going strong and happy with mine. Back feels really good, no fatigue.
@@BobT36 that's great to hear. Do you find that you miss the headrest? And do you still recommend this chair as the best on the market?
@@bilaltahir9978 I'd say I miss it when REALLY wanting to recline and watch something. But for general work, gaming and youtubing it's not a huge issue, and you don't "need" it.
Atlas headrests are making one for it though so I'll certainly buy when available.
I've only really tried the big "Executive" "armchair on a pedestal" types, and a DXRacer Valkyrie (GF's) and DXRacer King. This blows all 3 out of the water. The price is expensive but considering how long most "gaming" chairs last nowadays and considering the 10-year warranty, you're just paying the same you would anyway but upfront, that's all.
Well worth it for a healthy back. In the UK at least you can return within 2 weeks if you don't like it, so worth a try. Both me and the GF are happy with our Embodies, but not everyone gets on with them well (heard super tall people don't really like em).
What laptop mount is that you're using?
Your vids are so useful and thank you very mucho for putting subtitles 🙏
Deals on the non gaming version are out there. I picked up a gently used for $940. Dont need the gaming accents for $560!
2:58 I really don't understand buying 1500USD ERGONOMIC chair and sit like that with bending the pelvis :/
its the millenial sitting position. Best seen in coffee shops.
@@bobotmeister Boomer detected.
Love your reviews! You sold me on the original Embody which I currently enjoy
I am so conflicted... I can get the original embody with sync fabric for $1050 before tax but dont know if that second layer of foam on the logitech version is worth and extra $400-$450...
Its not
For this price, it better lay me Golden Eggs everyday to make up for it.
Got it for 5 years, sitting on it now, best I ever had. Chair for life. Btw what is a gaming chair? Is there even such thing?
Best review for this chair on CZcams! Thanks.
I am more impressed by that amazing screen you have what model is that monitor ?
The video ive been waiting for! Thanks!
Maybe you can help me. Im doubting a lot between this two chairs as I have health issues, namely a fibromialgia that makes all my muscles stiff and inflamed. My worst pain is the legs and the hip. Do you think the extra cushing in the gaming chair will be a benefit in my case or not? I also suffer from my back and neck of course, but the worst pains are at my bottom, legs and hips (the interior muscles of the hips) wich is why I want this chair as it has this pixel suspension given thatn traditional foam seat or mesh do not work for me and cretes me a lot of pain in the long term. I've noticed too that if the chair has better back support less pressure ir put on your bottom/legs so maybe the original one helps me more with more back support. thus why im doubting beteew extra foam in the gaming model or better back support in the old one, taking in account that at the end the bigest deal is going to be if the pixel seat does help me with my pain, wich I will only know when I try it. Wich one of the two you recomend me, the original or the gaming one?
Being 5'7 140lbs, I appreciate this review lol. I am VERY close to ordering. Cost is the only thing holding me back atm
just buy this one and really wanted to know what i miss. My choice was mainly because of the price (cheaper to the gaming version) Thank you!
i had an embody earlier this summer. didn't like it so i sold it. the arm adjustments are more primitive than the ones on the steelcase leap. the base of the chair felt like the steelcase leap. i felt that the skeleton on the back just wasn't supporting me in the way i wanted to. it's really narrow and the whole time i just really wanted to move my back across the back rest to a different area, but there's just no space to move your back with the back rest being so narrow. to me, it looks really futuristic and touts some really nice design, but functionally, it wasn't too far off from a pretty common task chair.
This review was awesome. Much needed information for consumers. Thanks!
Hi David,
I recently purchased an Embody regular with balance fabric, produced in August 2020.
The chair was ordered before the Logitech gaming model was released.
With the backrest everything ok, but the seat is stiff! I feel my feet asleep, it's probably the pixelated structure below and above all the seat edge.
I ask you: do you think it would be possible to put an additional foam under the balance fabric?
How thick is the foam under the logitech model?
Considering your experience, do you prefer the balance fabric or the Logitech fabric?
I'm waiting for your advices.
Thanks
Glad to see you back!
2:00 I didn't know you also played ring fit adventure
I came from the channel Short Circuit... They did a 15 min video and couldn't explain half the stuff you said... Not criticizing but i always expect some proffesionality when it comes to tech related stuff... Instantly subscribed ! 😉
That channel is not a review channel... it is a sister channel to linustechtips. It's part of a larger group of channels with the one I mentioned being the big daddy of them all. They don't ever do reviews on that channel. It's more of a user reaction kind of channel.
What monitor do you have?
(Apologies if this was already asked)
At work I sit on a Recaro Cammander (3800€) and I wanted to get about the same look and feel for my "Office" at home.
I found a "clone" from HJH Office which "only" costs 1200€ and damn is it a nice chair. I really like the route they went on this one here though with the layered supports - I am afraid that the foam-cushion will give way over the years. Would I have known of this type of chair I maybe would have choosen it instead.
Blue makes the chair look much nicer to look at.
Love these videos! I don't even need a new chair but watched the video in full
Here the expression "it's because he has a good gaming chair" take sens :')
Awesome review on the chair. Very detailed. :)
Great review, the best that I have seen so far on this chair. Thanks so much ....... liked and subscribed ........ ;-)
For "Herman Miller x Logitech", the "x" is meant to be "by" and not actually pronounced "x". Similar to how a 2x4 piece of lumber is pronounced "two by four".
bruh this makes so much sense now
Erm no.. The former doesn't refer to a dimension separator.
@@jorisbonson386 I agree it's not a dimension separator, but I think it's meant to be pronounced, "Herman Miller, by Logitech," not "Herman Miller ex Logitech." But I just did a search, and admittedly it's not quite clear, even on the official pages, so now I am not quite sure, lol. But pronouncing the "x" certainly sounds awkward.
Great video. And you're right, you can get an original Embody from a dealer for around $1100 including tax and shipping in Sync fabric.
Kind of sad to see the limited "innovation" they did just on the Embody. I thought they came out with a whole new chair just for gaming.
its funny because our "chair" costs abut the same: levus.co
Levus Workstation your chair is ugly af
Well that didn't go as he probably planned. Lol
Levus Workstation I ain’t trying to go to the moon I’m trying to do my homework
id love to see an aeron review and how you'd compare it to the embody
Hey David! I came across your video on what to keep in mind while buying chairs. I really love the content you put. I was wondering if you could review on some steelcase office chairs. I really like how they look but idk how it feels to sit and how comfy they are overall. I would appreciate it. Thanks!
nice video! just wondering, what monitor do you have? keep up the great work :)
what about a headrest? is it possible to use one?
Hello David, thanks for another amazing video! Would love to see a video wherein you explain more about your work, how you manage savings etc so that we get some inspiration on how to finally put together our dream setup. Really inspired by your minimalist tech lifestyle.
Chair looks cool but the Steelcase Gesture is a better pick imho...only thing missing is a mesh customization option
Thank you for the review. The old table was much nicer looking. Whats the benefits of the new one, why got rid of the old (wooden looking) one ?
I WAITED MY WHOLE LIFE FOR A NEW DAVID VIDEO
What is the height/width of the table top for holding monitor arms
How much is your breadth of your table for proper distance from monitor
The chair that is more expensive then everything in my room combined
same
I believe that's wrong. I think your back is more worth :) think about it..
The chair even has a special feature it can generate its own ESD and shock you when you touch metal!
0:46 omg that monitor is bigger than my wall LUL
David, Thanks for spending time on a thorough review. I think you said (on the prevs. model) the chair made noise from the back supports is this so on this chair? So the sidearm supports do seem "clunky" also very cheap looking, especially when extended. For $1,500 usd that is a major misstep imo.
So HM told me they "fixed" this on all Embodys sometime in 2019. I can say that mine doesn't make as much noise as the original, but I say that with caution. This chair will always have some sort mechanical/plastic/rubbing noise. I would say it's avoidable with such a flexible chair.
Is this chair good for a guy at 1.9m tall and 110kg? I'm looking to get an Herman Miller, but I don't know which one will suit me the best. I like the design on this Embody one tho.
Thank you!
Would like to see how a heavier person would go on this xD If I had the money to throw I'd prob give it a go as I'm a Logitech user and most of my stuff is Logitech
Which mouse pad do you use? Looks awesome and perfectly sized for mouse + small apple keyboard
Is it better than sayl? I really hate my sayl and want to change it for something more comfortable and upright
what chair do you use? i tried the embody and if felt like just another chair. not really comfy. all the knobs and back bending features felt gimmicky at best. looks really cool. i'll give it that. i tried the aeron next to it and it blew me away. felt like i was floating. felt like it took off all the pressure points. my only problem with the aeron is that the B size feels like its trying to push me off and the C size feels a tad too big. the size chart says the B size is perfect for me. probably just gotta get used to it
I like that monitor, can you give me a link for it?
i wish they would just put a disclaimer on their products like don't buy if you are over six feet tall.
@EuroBomb this is a midback chair, it's probably okay if you're being productive or actively gaming but if you're chilling after work watching a movie and you're tall your gonna want a high back chair for neck support. I am 6'2" 220lbs and I am shopping for a new chair because my dx racer pu material is flaking off. I'm leaning toward the secret lab titan or titan xl. If this were a high back chair I would buy it. I would like an Ergonomic chair but they tend to be mid back. I hate to have to choose between neck and lumbar support. The gaming chairs usually use those dumb pillows.
@EuroBomb secret lab claims to have researched and developed stronger pu, leather has its own required upkeep as well. I'm considering secret labs new softweave material, it's a cloth. They have 3-4 colour ways and I like the triple black. Right now I have a car seat cover on my dx racer to prevent further decay of the pu. The advantage of pu is that it is easier to clean if you spill on it. You could do the pu and put a cover on it like I have right from the start. My dx racer has lasted about 6 years, the tilt mechanism broke which I ordered replacement for. The secret lab titan has built in lumbar support which gets mixed reviews. Sorry this is a little all over the place but I'm on my phone so I can't organize it better. From what I can see there is no perfect chair, your gonna have to pick and prioritize your needs and live with the short coming of whatever you decide on. I liked my dx racer and they were the first in the gaming chairs but I do not feel they have done much to innovate so I'm looking at other brands.
@EuroBomb okay so I have been thinking about this for awhile now while I read various reviews and plan out the solution to my problems.
"Curve ball" lol
I am buying a sit stand desk this holiday. I think having my desk at the right height will help with some of the ergonomics as well as allow me to stand when I'm tired of sitting.
I think just standing for 30-40 minutes every few hours is going to alleviate some of the discomfort I have after sitting long periods. As I'm getting older, 36, circulation is becoming a concern of mine as well as exercising in general.
Then I'm going to buy a secret lab titan softweave to replace my dx racer because I nap at my home desk while watching Netflix so neck support is necessary and I think the fabric will breath better.
Then down the line an ergonomic chair if I feel like I still need it or want it for serious battlefield sessions.
So I'm prioritising standing, neck support then lumbar and ergonomics support. I don't know if that is smart or ideal but that's how I'm going about it.
I'm also going with the desk first because I want to add a third 32" monitor. 🤷🏻♂️
What is your desk?
What speaker stands are those?
Could u review the autotomus ergochair ?
Now that you have the LG CX for more time, do you have experienced any burn in or other problems?
would you recommend this over the original?
I am still debating on buying it or not.
However, I am more interested in your laptop setup.
Do you have the iOS installed on a dell???
In the part where you mentioned the center back stiffness, you wrote that it might be due to it needing to be broken in more. Did you find that to be the case since filming the original review? Or do you still find the extra center back padding more fatiguing than the normal embody. Been considering picking this chair up and have been debating between the two. Thanks for the review!
I still find it stiffer compared to the older original. But I still don't know if that's from an overall revision change from 2017 to 2020, or limited to this Logitech version. As for the extra center back padding, my upper back has gotten used to it (or it's soften?). Still having some challenges with the lower back/lumbar but I had those same concerns with the original.
@@HelloDavid Thanks for the reply! Really appreciate it and the channel!
i never thought logitech would make chairs
They didn't. It's a Herman Millar chair
@@3U9ENE ok thanks man!
Hey David,
I've just watched 2 of your videos on chairs as I'm currently in the market for a new chair.
1 - What height are you? In the Steelcase Gesture review you said you wished the headrest could go a bit higher, I'm 6'2" so I'm wondering if that's right for me?
2 - If you had to use 1 chair for the rest of your life, Gesture or Embody, which would it be? I love the Embody but I use an Ikea Markus chair at the moment and having a highback with headrest has me spoiled.
Cheers!
Looks like it would be ok if you do not weigh much. Think a top grain leather chair is probably still the best. That foam pad will mess up after awhile. There is no padding on the arms either.
Have you ever tried the Haworth Fern? I see very little reviews of it compared to the Herman Miller chairs, but seems like a good alternative to the Embody.
If you have the money, it seems nice. I’ll stick with refurb/used/open box Steelcase and HM
Waiting for a video on your white PC tower specs. Thanks. Nice channel.
It looks so comfy and supportive 😭
#1 NYC office chair from a chair guru. Get the Steelcase Leap v2 on Craigslist for $200 used. Save your wallet. Save your back. If you really want for looks/comfort, same company herman miller as the embody. Also makes the ever so popular Aeron, PLENTY AVAILABLE FOR $200-$300 used. Don't get the embody. Nobody wants Embody in the city.
Tip: NYC has a lot of offices closing.
I can get this for $900 second hand in practically brand new condition, worth it?