Codie is such a wonderfully janky but powerful commander. Played against this deck last Monday and the pilot was running nothing but huge creatures, entombed effects, reanimation spells, and draw spells. Lmao it was absolutely whacky stuff.
I have Hypergenesis in my Kenrith group hug deck and it's so funny watching everyone save all their big stuff for 3 whole turns so they can drop 90% of their hand for free in one go
this is one of the decks that i liked how mitch made it but i have no idea how to add cards from my own collection or upgrade it without compromising how it functions
And btw I wanted to ask if someone knows whether etali or elder brain even work in this deck since you are casting permanent spells with their abilities
@@mochtegernhokage5090 can you break down what you mean please as im a little confused at the question? etali and elder brain would work in this deck if you swing with them as you are taking things from the opponents hands and deck and getting to cast them for free from etali and elder brain works the same as gonti except its exiling from the hand instead of one of the top 4. when it comes to hypergenesis the idea is that they will run out of things to put down from their hands before you and you will be able to get more value out of skipping the casting cost meaning that when you swing you can take things they didnt get to cheat into play i hope that clarifys their function in the deck
Loaming Shaman doesn’t work because Codie says you can’t cast permanent spells? Can someone explain to me how he is using this to shuffle hypergenesis? If you hit this on a Codie 6 cmc spell, you won’t be able to cast it. I have made a version of this with phasing (phasing Codie) to allow you to cast permanent spells, but can’t seem to find a comment addressing this issue. Side note: I have seen people running Wild Magic Sorcerer which they assume allows you to play your 6cmc Codie spell, shuffle your H-gen into your deck, and then cast it off of WMS triggered cascade, but that DOES NOT work. All of the cascade type effects trigger before the spells resolve so H-Gen would not technically be in your deck until all your cascade effects have already triggered.
As far as I understand, ETB effects don't go on the stack until Hypergenesis has fully resolved, meaning if Loaming Shaman is in your hand when you cast Hypergenesis, you can use its eventual ETB trigger to shuffle Hypergenesis back into your library. No need to cast at all
I built this deck and made a few upgrades to it and can I just say, consider adding Lurking Predators to the deck. Really makes your board presence terrifying. Was expecting this deck to be more group hug than stax-y but I love the deck either way!
I am definitely pairing Hypergenesis with Scrambleverse. I am building a pure chaos deck. (It's a deck with mostly "Random" effects or "Flip a coin" or "Roll a dice" effects with Riku as commander to double the trouble.)
I have 4 versions of codie, one is extra turn with a lot of copy spell and win with second Sun. The other is land destroyer. The third is a mill deck blu black And the fourth is a ramp with maze end :3
I'd like to recommend a card for this deck that would work well with hypergenesis; Gather specimens. It isn't guaranteed to hit the hypergenesis if you codie with it, but it can turn off players from putting things from their hand down, less chaos but it makes hypergenesis one sided at least as far as creatures go.
@@bivsvideos 8 months late, but Codie's ability lets you cast the spell until end of turn. However, you do run the risk of Codie-ing into the 3CMC spells instead of Hypergenesis.
@TheCommandersQuarters This is the third deck you've posted with Codie as the commander and I am curious which of your builds was the most fun to play, and the most consistent?
Hey guys, I love the concept for the Go-Shintai deck Mitch made, but I feel like it could be just a little bit better with some non-budget upgrades. I'd love some recommendations, especially if they fit with the token creation/abuse. Thanks!
So I just built this deck and in my very first game I played my whole deck on turn 4 with Codie and Beck//Call and swung out with two 36/36 Beanstalk Giants that also had haste and myriad (among other things)😂😂😂 Thank you for the craziness
So you probably played incorrectly, cause you dont resolve triggered effects of permanents/spells entering the battlefield before fully resolving hypergenesis. So you dont get draws during the effect of hypergenesis, only after.
I am a bit late but i got two questions 1. If we use Codies ability and find Hypergenesis and we cast it, does Hypergenesis trigger instantly or is it still suspending and taking 3 turns? 2. How many cards do we have to get Hypergenesis back to our library so we do not exile our whole deck using codies ability?
you could keep drawing cards and not playing cards until you eventually have over 7 cards at the end of your turn and then you could discard it, might take a while and put you in disadvantage but is probably the simplest way.
I'm building this deck too, and it's very tough to account for. Something like a merfolk looter could work, but they'd be a dead draw if hypergenesis is not in your hand, so they're pretty bad. Dusk mangler is almost perfect, but a bit over-costed. lesser masticore and / or sparkhunter masticore might be worth running. Rankle also isn't terrible. Rotting rats is a pretty bad card if you dont need to fix hyper in hand, but can be unearthed even if codie is out. Monastery siege can fix Hyper in hand or protect your dudes, so isn't useless when your deck goes right. Almost no permanent will save you from if you draw hypergenesis on the turn after playing Codie. Any 'normal' spell would gunk your deck so something like faithless looting wouldn't work. Day's Undoing could help and function as one of your 3 cost spells, but the turn ending mechanic isn't great. Fast // Furious, Pain // Suffering, Down // Dirty could all help, but aren't that great by themselves, but you don't need them to be. Overall, lands are your best tool for dumping hypergenesis. I don't think he touched on it, but the dual lands he suggested would cause you to discard a card if you don't cast anything t1 or t2. so that helps a tiny bit. Desolate lighthouse, rix maadi dungeon palace, and Geier Reach Sanitarium are an auto include. I'm still looking, I bet there's something perfect I'm missing.
A built a similar deck to this a while back that had necropotence and necrologia so I could draw almost half of my library and dump all the permanents onto the battlefield during my discard step it was pretty sick
We have this guy in our playgroup that is wayy too tryhard for the rest of us and he always builds expensive combo decks. This effectively 30 dollar deck absolutely humiliated him.
And to think I almost tossed Hypergenesis into my trade binder literally three days ago when I bought some good stuff from Dominaria to build my next deck and realized a lot of it was green and I only had so much room in my binder.
Yes but it's tricky. Use the adventure creatures with 1 CMC spells that make a Food or a Role token, and any cheap creatures that etb and make 1-2 tokens to up your glimpse count. THEN, use 1cmc cards that shuffle cards out of gy, Stream of Thought, Serene Remembarence etc. 2 CMC adventures cascade into the shuffle spells and 1cmc adventures hit glimpse. Also if you hit a land off your glimpse, play Codie because it takes a WHILE to find another 5 land after he's been shuffled.
I'm a little confused by the bounce ETB creatures. IF you bounce someone's creatures during hypergenesis, aren't the just going to put them backl on the battlefield for free again?
Hypergenesis resolves, everything is played out, hypergenesis goes to graveyard, all ETBs are resolved, creatures are bounced and stuck in opponent's hands and hypergenesis already finished resolving.
Hypergenises plays all the big creatures in your hand. When you activate Codie he goes and gets either a card to put hypergenises back in your library to use again or gets hypergenises from your library and casts it for free. The goal is to cheat out A LOT of big nasty creatures faster then everyone else and out value them. Then to swing in for game. The few cards he included to get hypergenises back is in case people have removal or board wipes so you can do it all over again. Might want to also throw in some reanimate type cards to bring back the big guys again. This is a complicated deck for starting out haha. But it's a good way to force yourself to learn activations and such. Hypergenises is almost turn based as each player plays one creature for free and you go around the table one at a time.
Why don't you play some spells that untap Codie? While being a miss they would untap Codie, so you could net some Mana While being able to try again, so it adds some fun and would make it more powerful😊
If you only have 1 codie trigger spell in hand though, and you hit the untap spell, you whiff hard. Better to just add Great oak guardian and Sky Hussar.
I'm looking into other suspend + cmc=0 cards, and adding other of those could mitigate this. For example, Inevitable Betrayal. If one gets exiled, the other is slow but also nice to take one creature from your rival!
A few of those big creatures you say are valuable cos they remove the big things your opponents cheat out too when they ETB but didn't you say all the permanents enter for each player in order? So for example your creatures enter, and say one of them is Ashen Rider and your opponent cheats out a Blightsteel Colossus. You can't exile the Blightsteel because it hasn't entered the battlefield yet
No, you put your triggers on the stack first, which means they resolve last. Everything will be on the battlefield when your triggers resolve and therefore be targetable by your ETB's
This deck seems interesting but I am sort of a beginner of Magic. Can someone please explain in simple steps what I am actually trying to do with this deck? I don't understand.
Step 1: Get codie out ASAP to use his ability, hopefully on turn 4 Step 2: Hypergenesis should be in your deck. Step 3: Use Codie's ability and cast any instant or sorcery or adventure with CMC 3 or less. 3b: this will have you search your deck for a spell to cast a spell CMC 0-2, of which hypergenesis is the only one. 3c: hypergenesis goes off, all players dump the permanents from their hand, but hopefully yours are bigger and scarier. 3d: if the spell you cast at the beginning of step 3 was quandrix command or witness the future, or loaming shaman was in your hand for hypergenesis, make sure hypergenesis goes back into your deck and repeat step 3. Step 4: Use Codie's ability again to cast a spell of CMC > 3. 4b: codie's ability will cause you to cast either quandrix command or Witness the future. use it to put Hypergenesis back into your deck, and any copies of quandrix command and witness the future too. Repeat for profit.
@@bivsvideos Due to Codies wording you cant cast Hypergenesis in response to Quandrix Command/Witness the future since it is a sorcery (and stays at sorcery speed). Quandrix/Witness would resolve first and then you could cast Hypergenesis
Imagine begging the next guy and you choose to put nothing on the battlefield. You either cheated it out or waited the 3 turns just for the next guy to say “nah.”
@@Playingwithproxies Exactly. It seems like a fun technique, but it still relies on landing Hypergenesis and then having your free creatures stick around until your next turn to attack. I think OP just saw a commander they didn’t like and reacted negatively without looking at the video.
Everyone: "cascade is cool cuz its a 2-for-1"
Nobody:
Mitch: "2-for-1? I prefer to think of it as tutoring to the battlefield"
Codie is such a wonderfully janky but powerful commander. Played against this deck last Monday and the pilot was running nothing but huge creatures, entombed effects, reanimation spells, and draw spells. Lmao it was absolutely whacky stuff.
I have Hypergenesis in my Kenrith group hug deck and it's so funny watching everyone save all their big stuff for 3 whole turns so they can drop 90% of their hand for free in one go
Would love to see you play this deck in the future
It would be fun to see this deck in action!
I would love to see this Deck as a break the bank version
Me too!
this is one of the decks that i liked how mitch made it but i have no idea how to add cards from my own collection or upgrade it without compromising how it functions
And btw I wanted to ask if someone knows whether etali or elder brain even work in this deck since you are casting permanent spells with their abilities
@@mochtegernhokage5090 can you break down what you mean please as im a little confused at the question?
etali and elder brain would work in this deck if you swing with them as you are taking things from the opponents hands and deck and getting to cast them for free from etali and elder brain works the same as gonti except its exiling from the hand instead of one of the top 4.
when it comes to hypergenesis the idea is that they will run out of things to put down from their hands before you and you will be able to get more value out of skipping the casting cost meaning that when you swing you can take things they didnt get to cheat into play
i hope that clarifys their function in the deck
Would in,deed be very nice!
This build appears so intimidatingly convoluted on the surface, but is so elegantly simple underneath! Incredible!
Sweet build!!! I built a polymorph Codie deck kind of like this but no where near as budget friendly as it.
Loaming Shaman doesn’t work because Codie says you can’t cast permanent spells? Can someone explain to me how he is using this to shuffle hypergenesis? If you hit this on a Codie 6 cmc spell, you won’t be able to cast it.
I have made a version of this with phasing (phasing Codie) to allow you to cast permanent spells, but can’t seem to find a comment addressing this issue.
Side note: I have seen people running Wild Magic Sorcerer which they assume allows you to play your 6cmc Codie spell, shuffle your H-gen into your deck, and then cast it off of WMS triggered cascade, but that DOES NOT work. All of the cascade type effects trigger before the spells resolve so H-Gen would not technically be in your deck until all your cascade effects have already triggered.
As far as I understand, ETB effects don't go on the stack until Hypergenesis has fully resolved, meaning if Loaming Shaman is in your hand when you cast Hypergenesis, you can use its eventual ETB trigger to shuffle Hypergenesis back into your library. No need to cast at all
I built this deck and made a few upgrades to it and can I just say, consider adding Lurking Predators to the deck. Really makes your board presence terrifying. Was expecting this deck to be more group hug than stax-y but I love the deck either way!
I did the deed. The deed is good. I approve the deed.
It would be awesome to see this decks being played. Sometimes it's hard to understand how and if they work as intended.
Great deck. Definitely using this one. Would love to see you break the bank on this one
I am definitely pairing Hypergenesis with Scrambleverse.
I am building a pure chaos deck. (It's a deck with mostly "Random" effects or "Flip a coin" or "Roll a dice" effects with Riku as commander to double the trouble.)
I have 4 versions of codie, one is extra turn with a lot of copy spell and win with second Sun.
The other is land destroyer.
The third is a mill deck blu black
And the fourth is a ramp with maze end :3
I'd like to recommend a card for this deck that would work well with hypergenesis; Gather specimens. It isn't guaranteed to hit the hypergenesis if you codie with it, but it can turn off players from putting things from their hand down, less chaos but it makes hypergenesis one sided at least as far as creatures go.
This won't work because the spell that triggers codie resolves after the spell cast by codie.
@@bivsvideos 8 months late, but Codie's ability lets you cast the spell until end of turn. However, you do run the risk of Codie-ing into the 3CMC spells instead of Hypergenesis.
This is really cool. It's almost group hug until it isn't and your friends are upset. Lol
Fun crazy deck. Thanks Mitch 😊
Love running decks like this! Excited for the cards to ship!!!
@TheCommandersQuarters This is the third deck you've posted with Codie as the commander and I am curious which of your builds was the most fun to play, and the most consistent?
Hey guys, I love the concept for the Go-Shintai deck Mitch made, but I feel like it could be just a little bit better with some non-budget upgrades. I'd love some recommendations, especially if they fit with the token creation/abuse. Thanks!
So I just built this deck and in my very first game I played my whole deck on turn 4 with Codie and Beck//Call and swung out with two 36/36 Beanstalk Giants that also had haste and myriad (among other things)😂😂😂
Thank you for the craziness
So you probably played incorrectly, cause you dont resolve triggered effects of permanents/spells entering the battlefield before fully resolving hypergenesis. So you dont get draws during the effect of hypergenesis, only after.
@@raffess1 good to know! It’s never happened again, but when it does! Haha
I am a bit late but i got two questions
1. If we use Codies ability and find Hypergenesis and we cast it, does Hypergenesis trigger instantly or is it still suspending and taking 3 turns?
2. How many cards do we have to get Hypergenesis back to our library so we do not exile our whole deck using codies ability?
This deck is crazy and I love it
Does witness the future work after you cast Hypergensis to get it back in your deck? I thought codie exiled the card you cast.
Glad to hear your feeling better!
What's the trick to getting Hypergenesis out of your hand?
you could keep drawing cards and not playing cards until you eventually have over 7 cards at the end of your turn and then you could discard it, might take a while and put you in disadvantage but is probably the simplest way.
@@corruptcobalt6492 just cast it at that point lol
I'm building this deck too, and it's very tough to account for.
Something like a merfolk looter could work, but they'd be a dead draw if hypergenesis is not in your hand, so they're pretty bad. Dusk mangler is almost perfect, but a bit over-costed. lesser masticore and / or sparkhunter masticore might be worth running. Rankle also isn't terrible. Rotting rats is a pretty bad card if you dont need to fix hyper in hand, but can be unearthed even if codie is out. Monastery siege can fix Hyper in hand or protect your dudes, so isn't useless when your deck goes right. Almost no permanent will save you from if you draw hypergenesis on the turn after playing Codie.
Any 'normal' spell would gunk your deck so something like faithless looting wouldn't work.
Day's Undoing could help and function as one of your 3 cost spells, but the turn ending mechanic isn't great.
Fast // Furious, Pain // Suffering, Down // Dirty could all help, but aren't that great by themselves, but you don't need them to be.
Overall, lands are your best tool for dumping hypergenesis. I don't think he touched on it, but the dual lands he suggested would cause you to discard a card if you don't cast anything t1 or t2. so that helps a tiny bit.
Desolate lighthouse, rix maadi dungeon palace, and Geier Reach Sanitarium are an auto include.
I'm still looking, I bet there's something perfect I'm missing.
I just found out you guys are in Minnesota. Let me know if you ever need another for a pod!
A built a similar deck to this a while back that had necropotence and necrologia so I could draw almost half of my library and dump all the permanents onto the battlefield during my discard step it was pretty sick
Love it. You really put lots of thoughts into this.
I've played this a few times now. It's surprisingly good.
We have this guy in our playgroup that is wayy too tryhard for the rest of us and he always builds expensive combo decks. This effectively 30 dollar deck absolutely humiliated him.
EVERY group has a guy that needs to get whooped by a 10 dollar deck.
thanks
And to think I almost tossed Hypergenesis into my trade binder literally three days ago when I bought some good stuff from Dominaria to build my next deck and realized a lot of it was green and I only had so much room in my binder.
I would love to see game play of all your decks, budget and upgrades
Is there a way to use kodi effectively with glimpse of tomorrow? I think it might be the most chaotic way to play him, but could be very fun.
Yes but it's tricky. Use the adventure creatures with 1 CMC spells that make a Food or a Role token, and any cheap creatures that etb and make 1-2 tokens to up your glimpse count. THEN, use 1cmc cards that shuffle cards out of gy, Stream of Thought, Serene Remembarence etc. 2 CMC adventures cascade into the shuffle spells and 1cmc adventures hit glimpse. Also if you hit a land off your glimpse, play Codie because it takes a WHILE to find another 5 land after he's been shuffled.
I love your videos! I really appreciate yall!
Drop Sheoldred the Apocalypse please 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 love the deck techs 😊😊
What a fascinating deck build
I love this deck! I'll be bringing it to the next game night.
thoughts on adding a last march of the ent's worst case codie triggers one of bimodal spells right?
Any upgrades to take this same deck idea up a notch?
I'm a little confused by the bounce ETB creatures. IF you bounce someone's creatures during hypergenesis, aren't the just going to put them backl on the battlefield for free again?
Hypergenesis resolves, everything is played out, hypergenesis goes to graveyard, all ETBs are resolved, creatures are bounced and stuck in opponent's hands and hypergenesis already finished resolving.
thankyou
WOOOOO NEW VIDEO
sick!
can someone explain the strategy of this deck/combo more simply for me? (great video, I'm just a bit new to magic) thankyou!
Hypergenises plays all the big creatures in your hand. When you activate Codie he goes and gets either a card to put hypergenises back in your library to use again or gets hypergenises from your library and casts it for free. The goal is to cheat out A LOT of big nasty creatures faster then everyone else and out value them. Then to swing in for game. The few cards he included to get hypergenises back is in case people have removal or board wipes so you can do it all over again. Might want to also throw in some reanimate type cards to bring back the big guys again.
This is a complicated deck for starting out haha. But it's a good way to force yourself to learn activations and such. Hypergenises is almost turn based as each player plays one creature for free and you go around the table one at a time.
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Why don't you play some spells that untap Codie? While being a miss they would untap Codie, so you could net some Mana While being able to try again, so it adds some fun and would make it more powerful😊
If you only have 1 codie trigger spell in hand though, and you hit the untap spell, you whiff hard.
Better to just add Great oak guardian and Sky Hussar.
One question. If I use Discovery, Is there a chance to hit Flower? One example
@@ClarkAfterDark1111 ty!
What if hypergenesis is exiled by someone else? How can we adapt this deck to not be completley countered?
I'm looking into other suspend + cmc=0 cards, and adding other of those could mitigate this. For example, Inevitable Betrayal. If one gets exiled, the other is slow but also nice to take one creature from your rival!
A few of those big creatures you say are valuable cos they remove the big things your opponents cheat out too when they ETB but didn't you say all the permanents enter for each player in order?
So for example your creatures enter, and say one of them is Ashen Rider and your opponent cheats out a Blightsteel Colossus. You can't exile the Blightsteel because it hasn't entered the battlefield yet
No, you put your triggers on the stack first, which means they resolve last. Everything will be on the battlefield when your triggers resolve and therefore be targetable by your ETB's
I wanna see this deck in action!
This deck is genius.
This deck seems interesting but I am sort of a beginner of Magic. Can someone please explain in simple steps what I am actually trying to do with this deck? I don't understand.
Step 1: Get codie out ASAP to use his ability, hopefully on turn 4
Step 2: Hypergenesis should be in your deck.
Step 3: Use Codie's ability and cast any instant or sorcery or adventure with CMC 3 or less.
3b: this will have you search your deck for a spell to cast a spell CMC 0-2, of which hypergenesis is the only one.
3c: hypergenesis goes off, all players dump the permanents from their hand, but hopefully yours are bigger and scarier.
3d: if the spell you cast at the beginning of step 3 was quandrix command or witness the future, or loaming shaman was in your hand for hypergenesis, make sure hypergenesis goes back into your deck and repeat step 3.
Step 4: Use Codie's ability again to cast a spell of CMC > 3.
4b: codie's ability will cause you to cast either quandrix command or Witness the future. use it to put Hypergenesis back into your deck, and any copies of quandrix command and witness the future too.
Repeat for profit.
@@bivsvideos Thank you very much for this
@@bivsvideos Due to Codies wording you cant cast Hypergenesis in response to Quandrix Command/Witness the future since it is a sorcery (and stays at sorcery speed). Quandrix/Witness would resolve first and then you could cast Hypergenesis
*chanting* BREAK THE BANK! Break the bank!
Isn't this primal surge?
I run H-gen in my Yidris Chaos hug
Thanks tyrants
Imagine begging the next guy and you choose to put nothing on the battlefield. You either cheated it out or waited the 3 turns just for the next guy to say “nah.”
It goes until each player says no in a turn around the table
It's "until no one" not "until someone doesn't." So, you can keep going even if everyone else stopped.
I use my counter spell and send your cards to graveyard
This is a cedh deck, except they cascade into profane tutor to search ad nauseam
I built a permanents only deck around Codie. Except one card, which I won’t say, because that ruins the surprise
progenitus :)
This deck instantly loses if someone counterspells your hypergenesis breh
Not really. You just cast a 6+ CMC spell to hit witness/quandrix and shuffle hypergenesis back into the deck. Then, try again.
A Tier 1 deck. Consistently turn 2,3,4 wins . ban this commander
How does it win on turn 4? Even if it lands Hypergenesis, that doesn’t auto win the game.
@@joelhoskins2066 the commander built in Cedh is a top 3 deck
@@Playingwithproxies Exactly. It seems like a fun technique, but it still relies on landing Hypergenesis and then having your free creatures stick around until your next turn to attack. I think OP just saw a commander they didn’t like and reacted negatively without looking at the video.
You guys actually didn't catch the irony????
Don't build this, build Jodah. It's what all the cool kids are doing now.