The "Secret" Connection Between Diminished and Dominant Chords
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
- There is a "secret" (well, not so secret, but definitely interesting!) connection between diminished and dominant chords which we will explore in this lesson today. Sit back and enjoy!
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This video came into my recommended at the perfect time.
I was just playing around with diminished chords and dominant 7th b9 chords the other day and i thought there was something connecting them but i couldn't figure it out.
Great video!
Its Dextrin id guess it’s the tritone present in both chords that demands resolution is what makes them so interchangeable. half diminished as well to some extent. if you applied an upper structure Bmin7b5 over G you get a G7 with a natural nine. tension and release.
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@@MangoldProject I play bass lol it's strange either my brain scatters trying to learn/play or I get in a flow like it's nothing trying to learn composing though keep it up your videos are amazing
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Omg that is exactly the sound I’m looking for. I literally came when u played
I really enjoyed the lesson! Clear, precise and at a smooth running pace to follow! Your teaching & your teaching presentation software is exellent! Thank you, maestro!
This is a very helpful video for a jazz starter like me. Just tried with some songs, and boiii, I'm on the hook. Thanks.
Thank you for this great lesson
Your videos truly simplify the seemingly complicated theories. I try to "play" piano on garage band, at least it sounds decent because I've learned much from you. Thank you 🙏
Before watching the video, I would like to say that I use them both to resolve to the tonic minor one. For example, I use either E7 (E-G#-B-D) or G#dim7 (G#-B-D-F) to resolve to Am. Sometimes I might add in the F into the E7 to create a E7b9 chord (E-G#-B-D-F) , which is basically G#dim7/E.
Yep, they're interchangeable pretty much. They can resolve to either a minor or major.
I definitely learned some interesting voicing subs I was looking for. Thanks for taking time to come up with theses gems.!
Great vid, I love playing around with that diminished shape
Great lessons! I really appreciate the love and dedication you put in your videos. Keep up the good work!
I'm yet to find a Mangold video that didn't teach something new.... God bless you Mangold
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Another great lesson, looking forward to the next
Excellent! Makes perfect sense -- thanks so much!
Bety very helpful. God bless
Thankyou so much! This is really helpful for me to make more spicy chord progression!
Magnific!!!
I understood that when I learnt BACH's Prelude in C major from his well-tempered clavier.
Diminished 7ths resolve into the minor chord a half-step above, in the piece I'm mentioning, it's also Db7b5 into Dm.
This is what im looking for, thankyou so much!
Not a key board player (I play stringed instruments) but I find your videos very interesting and informative. Thank you!
It's always interesting to hear from non-keyboard players. I sometimes wonder what it is that attracts them to the channel in the first place. Care to share?
@@MangoldProject I'm not Dale, but I also play string instruments, and enjoy your channel for the structural and tonal relationships you identify, and the beautiful chord progressions you use. Quite enlightening.
Thanks! I've always knew such chords felt somehow connected, but it just didn't occurred to me when thinking on a diatonic chord progression.
Always very good...thank you very much...
This is so useful! Thank you.
Would anyone tell me which program or app is being used here that provides all this various chord information based on which keys are being played? It looks really fascinating! Thank you! BTW, l really love your channel. Lots of helpful concepts presented in a easy-to-apply way. Thank you, Mangold!
Thanks. It's ChordieApp.
great tutorial, thank you
You are welcome!
Fantastic! So well taught.
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Excellent work Mr Mangold. Please keep up the good work. Would it be possible to do a video on jazzy orchestration a'la Gerschwin? Thanks for sharing your expertise.
Great!!!
Really nice lesson, I tend to think of the diminished as a passing or connecting chord. Many standards use this. Green Dolphin Street comes to mind.
I'm the same I use a diminished chord a half step before the destination chord also referred to as the diminished chromatic passing. You can also do the same with minor chords going from minor to minor.
This was a solid watch as always.
Excellent channel!
Nice tutorial sir. I'll bring it into my practice.
I absolutely love your videos. Thank you so much. Could you please recommend some songs to learn that put this sort of chord substitution into practice? (preferably with vocal) Thanks so much!!
What is your Virtual keyboard & chord notation software ? Love it. Shows everything instantly/clearly.
ChordieApp.
Excellent!
Very interesting! For info, I think there are 3 typos at 2:24: Line1: Dim7 should be Ddim7; Line3: Ebim7 should be Ebdim7; Line4: Ddim7 (!) should be Dbdim7. Or am I wrong?
Bloody hell ... That's what happens when I don't have time to do proper spell checking ...
Excellent.
Amazing teacher!!! :)
Mangold, I thought there had to be a 7 in a dim 7 chord. Like, wouldn't F diminished 7 have an Eb?
Just wondering, thanks for the great lessons!
Dim7 formula: 1-b3-b5-bb7
There's a b7 in the m7b5 or half diminished chord. I guess diminished 7 just means bb7, which is a sixth.
Johnny Kirchens True, a dim 7 chord means the 7 th is dim as well.
What they said :)
@@MangoldProject Thanks for clearing that up guys!
Dave Pierce Just to expand on this, the idea for this naming fell to Classical composers, who felt all chordal tones should be based on odd numbers. Only later as we move into late Romanticism and Impressionism are 2nds and 4ths played more often. Before then the 2nd and 4th were only seen as suspended tones that required resolving, often to the tonic, and not part of the chord. The 6th posed a problem for them, as the dim7 required it and was used extensively in Classical music. They got round this by referring it to the double flat 7th. In musical theory it’s a 7th, to the ear it’s a 6th.
Of course if you really want a true 7th you could play a semi dim harmony, root, b3, b5, b7. One of the most underrated harmonies in music.
Please make a playlist of tutorials for absolute beginners... I'm really missing out on all of this
Have you checked out my Piano Quickie series? Or my Piano For Beginners series? Both should have playlists on my channel.
also fall in love with ur channel :)
When is it appropriate to play a V7b9? I know this chord can be derived from harmonic minor Phrygian dominant, but can you use it in major keys? A major key would have a V9 chord, right?
It’s like a really scary dominant chord just resolve a 5th down or half step down
It depends on the melody, but it'll fit in most places where you'd play a "simple" dominant 7th.
Question: Can you share with us which software you use that so accurately notates what you are playing? The ones I've seen are terribly inaccurate. Thanks.
Thank you
What is the transcription software you use to identify all your intervals and chords?
ChordieApp.
Hi, Thanks for sharing all your knowledge,. Can you please tell what software do you use to show the chords and notes you play? Thanks in advance.
ChordieApp.
thanks for sharing! would you mind tell me what camera/program set up you use to capture what you are playing so that we can see it? Thanks!
Program is ChordieApp. Editing is with Camtasia. For hardware, see:
czcams.com/video/ZewEStuNr5o/video.html
thanks!
maybe video would be more helpful and understandable if you spoke of the chords in terms of function or interval... like adding a b9 the VI chord to get the diminished. this is helpful for beginners who can then apply ideas in all 12 keys based on the same movements in 7 intervals.
I love these videos in which I’m explained how to extend chords w/o needing too much foundation. One more time, whenever to use a G7 (let’s say in the scale of C), I can substitute that for the IIIdim7?
You can substitute a G7b9 for a Bdim7, Abdim7, Fdim7 or Ddim7. The 3dim7 in C would be an Edim7, so no.
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Very nice! So basically secondary dominants are interchangeable with secondary diminished chords and their inversions, right?
it depends what scales you use ( which is all optional)
It's just C Harmonic MAJOR ( Ab)..It's not the same as A Harmonic minor.
C ionb6, dor b5, E phy b4, lyd b3, mix b2,... Ab ( ion #2, #4, #5) B loc bb7
Verse
C ion #5, dor #4, E phy maj3, F Lyd #2,( G# loc, b4, bb7) A aeo, maj7, B loc maj6.
It's EASIER if you use Memphis ( 2, 4, b6, 7 CHORD degree)
are all POSSIBLE Full diminished..whether you count from C or from A.
C Harmonic MAJOR and or A Harmonic min
And/or
C Harmonic min and/or A Harmonic MAJOR
D, F, Ab, B...........................B, D, F, G#.
It's easier if you practice playing
G7 into C MAJOR or C min
E7 into A min or A MAJOR
or practice altering the 1, 4, 5 chords....from C or A..
Then the 2 chord degree.
C Maj, F min/dim , G7 C harmonic MAJOR
C min F7 G7 C melodic min
C min F min/dim G7 C harmonic min
C min D7 G7 C double harmonic min or lydian b3
and from A min pushing Up towards A MAJOR
A min D min E min
A min D min/dim E7......A Harmonic min
A MAJ D min/dim E7 A Harmonic MAJOR
A min D7 E7 A melodic min
A min B7 E7 ....B7 into E min or E Maj7 or E7 ..back to A
Then continue the process to Neopolitian ( n6 or N6)...
it's just A harmonic min b2 or melodic min b2
Bb maj7, Bb7, Bb aug, Bb dim
You could use it to help you CYCLE DOWN to the 4th.
F MAJOR/Dmin.....Bb lydain.....( Then to lydian #2, lydian b3 to F and D)
Bb Major/G min.....Bb aug ( its just Bb below D MAJ or D7)
Eb MAJOR/C min Bb7 into Eb.
Bb dim into B min/D MAJOR...or F#7 ( A/Bb dim/F#) into B min
Bb dim , C dim.....into C# min ( melodic min)
Bb7 C7 into F melodic min....or simply the F min chord.
if you play Bb dim into the B min chord
The B min chord be B dorian b2 of A melodic min
You could just play A min...B min E7 into A min again...instead of
A min...D7 E7 into A min...all the time.
If you use the B min pentatonic
and or D dominant , E dominant....you'll still be within all the notes
of A melodic min.
or you could play A min B7 into E min
or A min D7 into G MAJOR/Emin...( circle UP to the 5th)
or A min/dim ( lydian b3) B Mix b2 into E MAJOR ( Harmonic MAJOR)
G# phygian b4 ( G#7 into C# min/E MAJOR
A dim................C dim into C# min...
You could also apply the n6 or N6 after the C MAJOR
It'll sort of over lap,,if you play E7 into A MAJOR ( Bb)
Now it's just C#/Db..dim/aug into D min( harmonic min , melodic min or D maj7)
Then you see the same process from C#min/E MAJOR
C# min......D Maj7 E7
C# min D7 E7
C# min D dim E dim into F melodic min ( Bb7, C7 into F melodic min)
C# min D dim E7...ect..
if you play D maj7 to B min.....notice the E7 to D maj7 ( the 2, chord from MAJOR)...E7 into A7 into D maj7...
or D min E7 into A7 into D min
or lets say to play B7 into E min...
You could easily apply the n6 again
E Harmonic min b2 is just phygian , maj7
or you can even play A Harmonic min b5 ( not a common scale)
F HUNGARIAN MAJOR....( the D#/Eb note)
A Harmonic min #4 = A Hangarian minor) aka double harmonic min.
It'll over lap to F lydian #2, lydian b3 or lydian dominant ( lyd b7 or mix #4)
or you can see it as lydian #2, b7 or mix #2, #4 ( ion #2, #4, b7)
You can stack it like this....
1, 3, 5, b7
1, #2, 5, b7
1, #2, #4
1, #2, #4, 6
1,#2, #4, b7....
if you associate it with lydian dominant A min D7 ( lydian dominant)
You could play it to F# harmonic min b5 ( F# min/A MAJOR)
A melodic min = F# aeo b5 to aeo b5 , maj7
or from C melodic min = A aeo b5 to A Harmonic min b5
or you can see it like this
aeo maj7 = harmonic min
dor maj7 = melodic min
phy, maj7 = harmonic min b2
mix maj7 = ionian
loc maj7 = G mix #2 or C ion #6
dor b2 maj7
dor #4 maj7
dor b5 maj7
aeo b2 maj7
aeo #4 maj7
aeo b5 maj7
or you could remember it like this....
Aeo b6 dor maj6
Harmonic min melodic min
Harmonic min b2 melodic min b2
Harmonic min b5 melodic min b5
Harmonic min #4 melodic min #4
Then CONTINUE the process...( it's an endless learning process)
COMBINE the A Harmonic min b5 with melodic min b5 ( full dim W/H)
if you go to the D chord....it's 4th mode)
it's dorian b2, #4 and or Lydian dominant b2 ( mix b2, #4) full dim H/W.
It basically has b3 AND maj3
yes...in a nut shell you can alter the chords to WHATEVER
be it maj7, dominant, min7, dim , augment. min/maj7.lol..ANY CHORD degree :-P
This is excellent. However, when writing out the 3 different groupings of dim. chords, you accidentally made the Dbdim7, a Ddim7 in your written analysis of the final grouping.
Yeah, I know, but not sure how to swap it now that the video has been uploaded.
Damn it Did They Find out my secret . I like to think C7(b9) to becames C#°7/C Stacking chords
C°dim7/C and G7(b9) to becames G#dim7/G
hi mangold i've been a avid watcher of your videos. i'm recently trying to get back on playing piano, and i would say i am a intro level player and have a fair understanding of music theory. However, i find myself needing a slid guide for daily practice to improve, and your videos can be overwhelming at times. is there an order or a playlist that you can make for me to follow? or if you do any private online lessons at all?
Hi Jack. I tend to make videos on assorted topics and I've never tried to create a common thread. I might sit down and try to group them into Beginner, Intermediate and Advanced videos at one point. Would that be useful for you?
@@MangoldProject yesss that would be so helpful. I did find success when i followed ur going through 5ths to memorize chords video, but i feel like in order to really advance my skills, i really a more daily proper and rigid practice system. I really hope that u can do a playlist like that with ur vids!
Much appreciated
Encore bravo
Doninant 7s confuse me so much it seems like everyone tells me different... they are just regular 7 chords?? Ive also heard its a flattened or is a minor 7th?? Can someone help me out
dominant 7 chords have a flat 7 (the note right below the actual 7, example: C E G Bb. Bb is below B)
major 7 chords have an actual 7 (I usually think of this as the regular 7 chord, example: C E G B)
minor 7 is a dominant 7 but with a flat 3 (the note right below the actual 3, example: C Eb G Bb, Eb is below E)
I like it.
Which app is this??
ChordieApp.
What software is that? Thanks :)
ChordieApp
Sounds like Christmas
Actually, I find C, C dim M7, Dm sounds more pleased to me than C, C#dim7, Dm
That works, too.
uhmmm...im not sure about your explanation. cause you rename the chords ommiting the fundamental base note..mmm
It's called a rootless voicing.
@@MangoldProject yeah i know about roothlees.but what i mean is that the name and function of the chord should be the same. fpr example im your A7 example if you replace by a Db7...the chord should be always a V7/II or a V7 sustitute of V7/II?
Man you are all the time in hurry and your explanations are so confused and you behave like other people already know everything as you know,you are playing Cmaj9 and it showing Cmaj 7 all the time,slow down man
Same chord, different base.
it's not a secret. everyone can see the obvious connection