Could This Bible Verse Destroy Protestantism?
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- Protestants are often referred to as "Bible" Christians because - allegedly unlike Catholics - they have scriptural proof texts to support their unique beliefs. But what happens when Catholics show that there are also proof texts that seem to undermine foundational traditions of Protestantism?
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You got me, brother. You got me good. I am a protestant with a lot of background who was ready to lay out exactly why that is a gross misuse of a verse stripped of context (or later in the video, verses plural, when dealing with baptism and the Eucharist). Then, I took a moment to read your description. I then took some time to read your follow-up. Well played sir, well played. You elicited precisely the response you were going for. I see your point. I disagree with it of course, but I see it. 🙂 I will say though, that as you well know, not all of us are like that. Protestants that practice what they preach will never hit you with just a verse... it will likely be multiple verses and the context surrounding them as well so there is no question lol. I know that can be obnoxious too though, especially when you didn't ask for it. It can also be a very unloving thing to do and protestants should know better, yet we are far too often guilty... myself included. So, my respect to you along with my apologies as well 🙂
What a refreshing response. :) I need to pin this!
@@DouglasBeaumont Thank you! I really think a lot of people could learn from this if they really understood what it is you are doing here. Regardless of differences in belief, being unkind is not helpful to anyone. If we are really the "Bible Christians" we purport to be, then we should remember that what we do should be done in love. However, this is really a good lesson for anyone who claims to follow the teachings in the Bible...Protestant, Catholic, or otherwise. When we take the Bible and verbally beat people with it, we damage our testimony of who we claim to be. It is not edifying to anyone and certainly doesn't glorify God. It becomes strictly an intellectual pursuit driven by pride and arrogance. It doesn't matter whether what you are saying is true or not if you are just going to be a, for lack of a better word, jerk about it. So, I really very much appreciate what you've done here because it really does shine a light on a major problem that people often don't seem to recognize in themselves. Thank you for being willing to hold a mirror up in front of our faces... because that is exactly what you've done with this video.
faith produces works which can be evidence of your faith not works saving you Jesus, sacrifice is sufficient
Why apologies? When you show bible verses, it's not to blast anyone it's because we're defending God's word and showing the way to salvation.
@lois2997
It's not free ? Jesus paid a great price, His life.
It's not that works earn salvation, but that they are fruit of a soul saved by faith.
Someone important said, "Ye shall know a tree by the fruit it bears!".
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.😎
where does it say works
“Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
MATTHEW 7: 21
"Does the will . . . "
Does is a verb. An action word. Action requires effort. Effort equals work.
@@jeffscully1347 John 1:12 "But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God."
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."
John 3:18 "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God."
John 3:36 "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him."
Acts 16:31 "And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."
Romans 10:9-10 "because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved."
Romans 10:13 'For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”'
Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
These verses show very clearly that it is through belief in Jesus Christ that we are saved.
@@TheChadPad "And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God", to affirm the need of good works for Salvation does not mean to deny that Salvation is given by God, but in the whole Scipture is clear either that He requires from us obedience to His Will and sanctity of life to receive it, or a deep and sincere conversion if we confront an inminent death, like the case of the 'good thief' crucified besides Christ: Luke 23:42-43. And, on the other hand, what part of "whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life" (John 3:36) is not clear? To obey Christ is to live according to His Commandments: "And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? ... Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother". Mc 10:17-19 If those are not 'good works or deeds' what are they then?
@@nonfecittaliter4361 what John 3:36 means is that if you do not obey the Son, you obviously do not believe in the Son. It is making a dichotomy, opposites, out of the two states. One, you believe in the Son and have eternal life. Two, you do not obey the Son, and you do not have eternal life. You can’t sincerely believe and remain in your old ways. The Ephesians verse says “not as a result of works.” That is very explicit. The works are a result of the belief, for without the belief, our good works are like filthy rags. Jesus didn’t come down just to get us into the afterlife. He came down to set us straight here on earth. So when he told that person to follow the commandments, he could not have meant that their salvation was a result of their good works. That would contradict Ephesians. He was telling them how they are to live, which truly is experiencing eternal life. I think we’ve all experienced a different way of living after accepting Christ Jesus, one free of suffering, no? To me, that is experiencing eternal life here on earth. That experience will carry over with us through death. So we are saved by believing in Him, as that person did, upon which Jesus instructed him to follow the commandments, because of course he would. That was part of His purpose here on earth, to instruct us. Could that person have experienced holiness while breaking the 10 commandments? No, so He instructed him to follow them. He was in no way teaching him how to earn salvation. No one can earn it, as none of us deserve it. That is how I fit these verses together. I still hold that we are saved upon believing in Him, as these verses have stated, but then works naturally come from that. If they don’t, one doesn’t believe
I was born a Catholic, strayed from the faith and became a born again Christian. I struggle with Evangelical males who seek to lead me into fornication with the line
"God knows my heart and God wants us to be happy". One even told me his pastor endorsed sex outside of marriage if it stopped him viewing pornography.
Encouraging others to sin whilst assuming they have the guarantee of salvation through grace and believing they are truly saved.
I believe Jesus has saved me and pulled me back to the Catholic Church, avoidance of mortal sin and the fear of the one, true God.
Plus I feel Sunday services which consist of a live band, a preacher chatting in jeans and a quick prayer at the end is not nourishment for the soul. The Catholic mass, it's Eucharist and beautiful use of scripture brings Christ into intimacy with us 🙏🏻
"I struggle with Evangelical males who seek to lead me into fornication with the line...."
I have no such struggle. Scripture teaches that such things are sexual immorality and such people will not entre in the kingdom. Such men are not Christian at all, much less evangelical.
Amen brother! Great video! I was Protestant for 26 years of my adult life, and after much study and prayer came back to the Catholic Church like so many others have.
Your interpretation might contradict the Church, but the Bible doesn't. Find me as clear of a contradiction with Catholicism as James 2:24 is for Protestantism. I'll wait. ;)
@@DouglasBeaumont
I don't understand how James is contradicting protestentanism. For me it's pretty clear.
James gives an example how faith and works concept should be understood. If a man comes to you hungry and you say, "go, eat well", then perhaps you don't really care for the person. Because if you really want the person to have food, you would have provided the food rather than just saying him to eat. That means, your goodness is only on your lips, it's not coming from your heart. If it comes from heart you would rather help him have food. In that scenario if you say you are good person because you suggested the person to eat, then it can't be accepted.
This is the example that James used to help us understand how faith works. When you put your trust in Christ, you become a new creation (2 Cor 5:17). Your identity in Christ changes. His love will be poured into your heart (Rom 5:5). If we love him we will keep his commandments (John 14:15). And his commandment is to love others (John 15:12). Love is kind and not self-serving (1 Cor 13). If that agape Love is in your heart it will definitely show up in actions - either thru manifesting itself towards others or towards God.
If agape Love is shown towards man, then that love helps him, rebukes him, corrects him, prunes him, grows him, save him from hell fire.
If that love is shown towards God, it will obey Him like what Abraham did and Rahab did. In the case of Rahab, she did the will of God by standing by Israel that is by stading with the Lord. Abraham did the same. This is just the manifestation of their changed heart.
James says that when desire is conceived it gives birth to sin (thru action). Using the same principle, we can understand if Faith in God is conceived Works are birthed. These works are situational again. You can't say that you will offer up your child to become righteous like Abraham did. It worked only for Abraham. It will not work for us. You can't say that you will welcome some Israelites in your home and become righteous like Rahab did. That only works for Rahab.
The same thing is true for every one. When God works in one's life, it is the Lord that brings change in us. It's the lord that guides us to do certain things. Some people may return 4 times of the money they robbed like zaccheaus, some people might simply burn all the idols of their former religion, some people might have to lose their family, some people might give up on watching movies, some might stop flirting with women.
Again, the work that comes forth after having faith is different from person to person.
And definitely as he walks in the Lord he will have more light on the nature of God which would lead him to become more and more like Jesus being perfected in all the ways.
This is all about James was talking. It has nothing to do with sacraments. He is not saying "do good works to be justified". He was saying, "If you have faith you will definitely have good works. But I don't see that good works that is produced by faith. That's why I can't say you have faith".
Protestants believe exactly the same thing. We believe in the faith that works thru love. We believe faith can't be alone without love. We believe love is not just a noun but also verb. We beleive that our actions have the origin in our faith.
This is where we differ with Catholics. Catholicism says, if i understand correctly, that works can exist without faith. That is why it teaches that even atheists can go to heaven. But we beleive that good works cannot exist without faith. In other words, if the good works are not proceeding from agape Love, they are not considered to declare a person righteous.
Having said all of this, James is not contradicting protestentanism position. On a contrary it helps us understand faith even better.
To simplify, we believe that faith causes works, unlike Catholics that beleive that works can stand apart faith. In Catholicism you can produce works without faith. But for us, such works which proceed from an un-repentant, un-regenerated, un-changed heart has no value. BUt Catholics value these works.
In other words, we try to maintain quality rather than quantity. It's the heart we focus on. I dunno about Catholics.
The "faith alone" here James was talking about was not Sola fide protestants believe. In Sola fide we believe that faith will go with works (Jam 2:22). But in the "faith alone" that James was referring there was no regeneration, no repentence, no change in the heart, no new creation formed. We see such people in India who are born to a Christian family. They call themselves Christians because their parents are Christians ( according to Indian culture, religion is an inheritance). James addresses such people who are not born again but simply claim themselves Christians and declare that they have faith. Addressing such faith, James says that that kinda faith doesn't work. That's dead faith. Protestants say Amen to that.
The faith that protestants teach have born again experience, repentant heart, hate towards sin, holiness, becoming a new creation, becoming more like Christ, growing in the spirit, obeying the Lord etc... Such faith we believe definitely produce work. However, we don't believe that because of that works we are saved but because of our faith in Christ we are saved.
James wasn't saying to keep on working to get saved. He was simply saying to let the faith manifest thru works so that he may know that they are saved. He was expecting the works to be an evidence of justification, not as a means of justification. If this is understood then everything will be pretty clear.
But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith without works and I will show you faith by my works.
James 2:18 NET
bible.com/bible/107/jas.2.18.NET
My logic is pretty simple. I can have tears in two ways. I can cry or I can act. Just because I acted on screen doesn't mean I really cried. For me when Catholics say that we need to work to get saved, it sounds that same to me. They are adding solution in their eyes eltting the tears fall from their eyes, assuming they are crying (as it appears on the out side) and getting comfort that they are being saved misunderstanding James.
But protestants say that we need to genuinely cry and the tears should come out Of repentant heart. Those tears that come out of a genuine cry has value. Only those tears tell us that we are repenting. That's what we beleive.
Using the analogy, I want say that if crying is working, it seems to me that Catholicism is encouraging the church to put solutions in the eyes and somehow look like crying. But protestants think otherwise.
I know I have repeated a lot of times the same thing. I know it's a long reply. But I feel I want to show my understanding in multiple forms so that I would nOt be misunderstood or rather it bringS some more clarity on my world view.
Finally, Sola fide of protestants and "faith alone" James addressed were different. They both sound same but their characteristics are different. Considering the characteristics we can say that as protestants we mean faith differently from what James was addressing in this chapter. Just because two cars are red doesn't mean they both are same. Their company, model number, number plate given differentiates one from another. Like wise just because you see faith alone in protestentanism and in James doesn't mean both are same. I think this is called fallacy of equivocation.
BY SAyiNg Sola fide we mean a different thing. By saying faith alone James mean a different thing. WHen James was not targetting what we as protestants beleive how will it demolish protestentinism?
@@DouglasBeaumont Pride goes before a fall.
@@KingMswatiIII Vatican II is not the catholic church. It is a false counterfeit. It is meant to destroy Catholicism because we are in apocalyptic times.
The video maker asked the viewer to follow the traditions of catholic Church. Traditions belong to the world but you, him & me will have to leave the world at any moment. Why? This is not our permanent place. The world is largest womb, we are going to go out of it. Out of womb only children should come, not devotees. Catholics, religious, ideoligical & so on. We are sent as children should go as children or it is very dangerous.
Child is a person who has the life of his or her father even after mother's womb. Or wil be an aborted, too dangerous.
Child from the largest womb, is a person who has the LIFE of Him who is CAUSE for the womb even after the womb. Or will be an aborted, with all senses, but be stinky. So he or she be kept in flames. Stink leaves not to put off flames.
The LIFE is at the distance of our calling in to make us children.
Do not be deceived by this video maker. He lives without purpose of life.
"For by Grace you have been saved through faith, and this not of your own doing ,it is a gift of God - not the result of works , so that no one may boast." Ephesians 2 :8 REV
Catholic apologists are awesome. So prepared and well informed. The best is that I have never heard anti protestantism the same way anti catholic bigotry is so common in protestant apologists.
Praise be to God.
Happy that I have returned to the True church of Christ 6 months ago.
Welcome home!
@@parrisroy Fun fact: a personal attack is not an argument, but a logical fallacy. I'm a Protestant too, but man you literally just proved his point about Protestants being vehemently anti-Catholic
y'all say we go to hell cause we're not catholic
I would do more research, when you listen to Catholic apologists you enter an echo chamber where what they say supports their wrong understanding of Scripture. Educate yourself, read the New Testament, the Letters from Paul, watch good christian videos and be ready with open mind to acquire new understanding, Catholicism is not education, it is indoctrination.
@@joycegreer9391 I have tried to have nice and comprehensive discussions with many people who think like you do. And have been a complete waste of my time.
You have no interest nor humility to hear the other side. Your bias is first.
So, keep your opinión to yourself and have a nice day.
I was attending @Redemption Church in Gilbert Arizona. The Pastor John gave a great vail speech on the Catholic Church. How the Catholics are not saved, they worship a different Christ, etc. The whole congregation was with him. I started to research the start of the church and now am Catholic. The Sacraments, the Eucharist, Protestants deprive themself of so much.
The absurdity of a church that's probably existed for 15 minutes using a Bible the Catholic Church gave them with doctrines of God they understand because of Catholic Church Councils is difficult to overstate. :)
@@DouglasBeaumont AMEN!
A while back I decided to come up with a kind of unique timeline of sorts to show how Protestantism is so very late to Christianity. Most Protestants I've ever engaged seem to have the feeling that Christianity began with Martin Luther. They simply cannot comprehend (or allow themselves to admit) that the Catholic Church goes back to the beginning, with Jesus establishing His one, holy, catholic, and Apostolic Church against which the gates of Hell shall not prevail.
So I did the calculations and came up with the history of Christianity compressed into one year (some of the major dates):
>> If all of Christian history was compressed into the time span of one year, the Catholic Church would exist on Day One; January 1 (AD 33).
>> The Bible would appear on Day 68, March 8 (AD 397). This is after 19% of all Christian history had already occurred. Between 15-18 generations of Christians lived their entire lives without ever knowing there would be an actual, canonized Bible.
>> Martin Luther great heresy would take place in the evening of Day 273, September 30 (1517) This is after 75% of all Christian history had already occurred. Luther invented his own church 1,484 years after Jesus established the Catholic Church.
>> The King James Bible wouldn't be published until Day 294, October 21 (1611). This is after 80% of all Christian history had already occurred. This is 1,214 years AFTER the Catholic Church produced the first Bible.
"To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant" ~ St. Cardinal John Henry Newman; former anti-Catholic, Anglican priest who, after researching the Early Church Fathers discovered the Catholic Church is the Church founded by Jesus, and converted to Catholicism.
So funny because a Baptist pastor made me search for the eucharist because he told me catholic crucified just every time.
2020 pandemic hit and I researched and became a solid on fire catholic.
I wondered in protestants churches because I didn't know what my church taught and listen to all kind of nasty stuffs from protestants and of course the priests scandals didn't help.
From what I know now, as fr. Chad 🇹🇩 said" no man behaviors should shake your faith"
In your research, have you come to the understanding that the RCC teaches as dogma that the eucharist is the actual body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus. Basically it teaches that the elements become God Himself. Do you understand that when you kneel before the elements you are worshipping them, and before actually receiving them you are made by the priest/church to acknowledge verbally that you confirm that elements as God . Do you also understand that if these elements are not Jesus you are worshipping something that is not God and that is idolatry. People choose to not take part in this not because they wish to deprive themselves but rather to stay faithful and and obedient..... “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. “You shall have no other gods before Me."
Exodus 20:2-3
@@mack6429
You do not rely truly on scripture, you rely on YOUR interpretation of scripture. Therefore it is your tradition that is guiding your beliefs. Solo Scripture and solo faith are a contradiction.
1) Sacrament of Baptism: Mark 16:16, 1 Peter 3:21, Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16 and Colossians 2:13, Romans 6:3; Galatians 3:27.
2) Sacrament of penance: John 20:19-23, james 5:16, acts 3:19, 1 John1:9, Proverbs 28:13, Mathew 3:8
3) Confirmation (Sealing of the Holy Spirit) acts 19:5-6, Ephesians 4:30, John 2:20, 2 Timothy 1:6, acts 8:14-17, Ephesians 1:13
4) Eucharist: Mathew 26:26-29; Mark 14:22-25; Luke 22:14-20,Corinthians 11:26, Acts 2:42-43, John 6:48-50.
Matthew 16:18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
This is not nor has it been an issue for Protestants. James believes that you show your faith through good works. Luke 7:50 And he said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”, Isaiah 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else
And the list goes on.
And that was before the holy spirit our helper was given.
Book of Hebrew : By faith& By faith &By faith,
All these, kjv
We are saved by faith which is accompanied by works.
So, not "alone". Congratulations, you're Catholic. ;)
More properly faith that works by love, i.e works.
Romans 10:9
"because if you confess with your mouth that Christ is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved,"
Pretty clear statement that doesn't imbue works as extra means of salvation.
Ephesians 2:8-9
"For by Grace you have been saved through faith. And this is NOT YOUR OWN DOING; it is the gift of God, NOT A RESULT OF WORKS, so that no one may boast,"
Pretty clear about salvation here, and where works does not have a role to play.
Reading of all James 2, he's addressing hypocrites within the church who act and preach, but do not LIVE the fruit of that salvation. He is, at no point, saying that works is what SAVES you. He is saying that it justifies the faith. The previous chapter addresses that hypocrisy and that of death.
James 1:21
"Therefore put away all filthiness and rampant wickedness and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls," (no works there... The word being the means of salvation, which Paul already establishes what that word is...)
v. 22
"BUT BE DOERS of the word, and not hearers ONLY, deceiving yourselves,"
2:18
But someone will say, "You have faith and I have works," Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith BY MY WORKS,"
At this point, with the remainder of Chapter 1, going into Chapter 2, he is establishing hypocrisy. Not salvation. That one will be doing according to the Salvation he has received. Not earning his salvation.
We are in agreement, a faith that bears no fruit is like the Parable of the Servants...
But to insinuate that works are a necessary aspect of salvation is a reach and a stretch when considering that he is addressing individuals who, under this implication of his own writing in 1:21, are saved. And by that Salvation, should be DOING the stuff, not just listening and then going back to regularly scheduled foolishness the rest of the week.
It is more so that it portrays who is truly a doer, and who is merely the "Sunday" Christian, the false "believers" who are in the midst of the Congregation.
I love contextual reading and tying in other Scripture to show the truth.
Because otherwise, James and Paul would be at odds with each other. Because Paul preaches salvation by faith and confession of faith...
And the insinuation would be that James preaches work based salvation...
When both prove that faith saves, and works edify and justify that faith. Elsewise, that faith truly would be as dead as if they were never saved in the first place... Especially if their actions and behaviors, which is a form of fruit, are not reflective of salvation, but acting more in tune with the non-believing world...
I too wondered around in the Protestant wilderness for 33 years. Then this fallen away Catholic came home going on 22 years ago this coming Easter. Thinking about receiving our Lord’s body blood soul and divinity in my first Holy Eucharist in so many years still brings me to tears of joy.
Charles, that is so awesome to hear! That is the journey my husband and I are on now. We hope to join the church by Easter vigil next year.
@@joycegreer9391 Thank you Joyce. You and people like you are why I got smart left the false gospel of the prods and returned to the true church started by Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. God bless you. I just said a prayer for your immoral soul and will remember you in my prayers if I ever think of you again.
@@CatholicNana Thank you Pattie. I wish you well. I go to the Easter Vigil because it’s a beautiful mass and it is so awesome to share the joy with the catechumens. God bless you and your husband.
@@joycegreer9391 😂 “that deception” was the faith of the earliest Christians and the only church Christ established while on earth … you are hilarious!
@@joycegreer9391 lol you are truly hilarious! You obviously don’t know what you are talking about “there’s no salvation outside the Catholic Church” is a 2000 year old premise. Please read!
Saint Irenaeus (died A.D. 202): "[The Church] is the entrance to life; all others are thieves and robbers. On this account we are bound to avoid them... We hear it declared of the unbelieving and the blinded of this world that they shall not inherit the world of life which is to come... Resist them in defense of the only true and life giving faith, which the Church has received from the Apostles and imparted to her sons." (Against Heresies, Book III)
Origen (died A.D. 254): "Let no man deceive himself. Outside this house, that is, outside the Church no one is saved." (In Iesu Nave homiliae)
Saint Cyprian (died A.D. 258): "He who has turned his back on the Church of Christ shall not come to the rewards of Christ; he is an alien, a worldling, an enemy. You cannot have God for your Father if you have not the Church for your mother. Our Lord warns us when He says: `he that is not with Me is against Me, and he that gathereth not with Me scattereth.' Whosoever breaks the peace and harmony of Christ acts against Christ; whoever gathers elsewhere than in the Church scatters the Church of Christ." (Unity of the Catholic Church)
"He who does not hold this unity, does not hold the law of God, does not hold the faith of the Father and the Son, does not hold life and salvation." (Patrologiae Cursus Completus: Latina, Father Migne)
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
Even the faith that saves us is a gift from God. No one can boast in their works for salvation.
Picking one verse and not reading the whole message is the same thing Muslims do to criticize Christians.
Good to see a convert defending the faith. Some natural born Catholics I wish would be half as good Catholic
as some convert
The Catholic Church has always said that converts make better catholics.
Then Catholic priests doing wrong against children really have a problem, I hope God will forgive them .
Don't Judge !
Define " the better Catholic " .
@@tomkusz3741 A better catholic bows lower to the ground befor graven images. The best catholic bows so low that his face is pressed to the ground so hard that his nose starts to bleed.
For by grace are ye saved through faith and that not of yourselves: it is the Gift of God. Not of work lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9
The nice thing about being Catholic is I understand BOTH verses.
The Lord Jesus Christ has warned us to "Take heed and beware of the leaven of the pharisees and the sadducees"
@@DouglasBeaumontso you are just bragging about our labels of denominations just like what the Pharisees and Sadducees also brag about? Like "Hey I'm a Catholic, I'm Protestant, so I am better than you and smarter than you blah blah"? Reply to the real topic, it is the Scripture. Aren't we all united in Christ? So why not discuss it like the Christians in the Acts 15?
@@mickomagallanes1185as my dad used to say is heaven you must earn or is it a free gift? So many whether protestants or Catholics would say you have to earn it. Then who gets the credit? We do. We are dead in trespasses and sins and are good works don't change that. Jesus must live inside by faith. Works are for sanctification. Justification is where Jesus take our sins and we are given God's righteousness. A true believer is sealed with the Holy spirit of promise. We can call God ABBA not in repetitions but just like we would talk to our Dad.
We dont earn it but we must fight to enter in. The work is to believe. To be faithful. This is not a meritorius work, it is the condition set by God.
I am revert catholic lord jesus saved my life from my darkness
Amen. I am converting this year after years of being a protestant
Me toooooo
Rome will fall like Constantinople. This Pope is the last one.
@@tj3kidos DON'T take this as an offence. I'm an agnostic. But I'm thankful that Protestantism exist. I can't imagine the Catholic church leading the world. It's too rigid. The enlightenment wouldn't have occurred without Protestant churches' emancipation of free thinking.
@@tyh3120 wrong, the gates of hell shall never the Seat of St Peter
.Ephesians 2:8-9....8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast....By his Grace i am saved by Faith NOT BY WORKS
No one teaches you're saved by works and I've got a whole video on why Eph. 2:8-10 doesn't threaten the Church at all! :)
to me, the best "refutation" of sola scriptura is a historical one:
between the time Jesus was alive and the time the new testament got written the only thing giving continuity to Jesus's teachings was the church. the church is the glue that unites the real Jesus to the scripture. without the catholic church and the church tradition founded by Jesus himself there is no scripture.
this wasn't a refutation per se, but it convinced me, way back, to not pay that much attention to sola scriptura.
You can argue that or the fact luther removed verses and altered the composition of Canon books, and protestants will still say lies!!!
Well informed. I love being a Catholic. The church our LORD JESUS founded. Thank you for doing the great work for Jesus. God bless you and your family.
@@joycegreer9391 It's universal in belief and doctrine.
Unlike protestantism with its multiple conflicting beliefs and doctrine.
To the church of Ephesus. To the Church of Jerusalem. To the church of the Galatians. To the church of Corinth. So one would have to have tradition to come up with " Catholic church the church the Lord Jesus founded" because it's not found in scripture. So does one need it to come up with : purgatory, assumption of Mary , sinless Mary, merit of Saints, indulgences, a pope....
Friend scripture clearly reveals there is only one church in a location (any other church would be a second one not ordained by God) and it has no name (any other name is also not ordained by God or His word) save the name of the location. And their is only one universal church and scripture calls it " the church of God" not the Catholic church.
Believe the gospel of Jesus Christ and love being accepted by him on account of His shed blood alone, not by belonging to a human invention with its dictates and threats which are powerless to save anyone. The message of the gospel, believed saves . Jesus saves those who believe in Him and trust in his death burial and resurrection: "by which ye are saved." ( Believe this promise)
By which...the gospel...ye are saved.
Only His righteousness is acceptable to God and we have His righteousness imputed to us as a free gift. We are only accepted in the Beloved and not our denominations or our good works.
Be blessed
you are getting an incomplete and false teaching my friend...strive hard to do more reading and not what he is feeding you
It's not an issue. James is explaining what salvation looks like from a human perspective. Paul actually talks ab salvation from a spiritual or relational perspective.
Y'all think you can work your way into heaven & if that were true, Christ would have died in vain..
(Ephesians 2:8-9)
For by grace are all of you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Explain this then...
Right, but Paul doesn't use the word "only/alone". So, despite the fact that he's ruled out any possibility of works being salvific, that doesn't count somehow. (RCC logic)
He cannot, he doesn't understand the scriptures.
This commentary from Matthew Henry on Galatians 1:6-9 is very interesting.
Verses 6-9
Those who would establish any other way to heaven than what the gospel of Christ reveals, will find themselves wretchedly mistaken. The apostle presses upon the Galatians a due sense of their guilt in forsaking the gospel way of justification; yet he reproves with tenderness, and represents them as drawn into it by the arts of some that troubled them. In reproving others, we should be faithful, and yet endeavour to restore them in the spirit of meekness. Some would set up the works of the law in the place of Christ's righteousness, and thus they corrupted Christianity. The apostle solemnly denounces, as accursed, every one who attempts to lay so false a foundation. All other gospels than that of the grace of Christ, whether more flattering to self-righteous pride, or more favourable to worldly lusts, are devices of Satan. And while we declare that to reject the moral law as a rule of life, tends to dishonour Christ, and destroy true religion, we must also declare, that all dependence for justification on good works, whether real or supposed, is as fatal to those who persist in it. While we are zealous for good works, let us be careful not to put them in the place of Christ's righteousness, and not to advance any thing which may betray others into so dreadful a delusion.
(Galatians 1:6-9)
I marvel that all of you are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that all of you have received, let him be accursed.
Jesus said to the one thief on the cross ...."Assuredly ,I say to you ,today you will be with me in Paradise". Luke :43. Because of his belief (faith) that Jesus was messiah, the thief was saved. No Works, no sacraments no water baptism , only his faith and belief alone was enough to enter the kingdom.
The thief on the cross had a work. He fulfilled the law in Leviticus 19:17-18 to love your neighbor and rebuke their sins.
@@matthew953 you ignore the fact that there was no 'sacrament'...oh, well, that would destroy your narrative.
@robetheridge6999 I'm not a Catholic. I'm just not disengenuous, so I can clearly tell we need to be obedient to be saved. If you break the 10 commandments with pagan feasts like Xmas/Easter and not keeping the Sabbath, you'll go to the lake of fire.
@@matthew953 so, you're not disingenuous, you are just ignorant. Neither celebration is pagan. Regardless, scripture is clear that salvation is a from believing with the heart Christ was risen from the dead and confessing with the mouth that He is Lord. It is also clear that denying the Holy Spirit is the sin that condemns man to hell.
@robetheridge6999 Yes they are pagan. Bunnies and eggs and Christmas trees have nothing to do with the Messiah. Christ tells the end days churches in Revelation 2:14 to stop eating food sacrificed to idols. It's talking about the pagan feast days they do. So stop listening to liars telling you that God is worshipped in completely pagan ways. You are supposed to worship him how he commands you. Deuteronomy 12:30-32
Telling this to protestant is like talking to a wall. They ping pong (literally) all their words when you refer them to the obvious. It theatrical at times. They never want to talk head on.
Thing is the prist would tell you what the word was, you did not have written word onlyclergy.
And they have stuff in ther library that they still wont let puppets like you near.
@@archiehendricks6093 um...no. that's not how this works.
We need to get back to one Church as it was before 1054. Let's all humble ourselves.
So right! It is not a denomination. It's being CHRISTIAN. We r all one in Jesus'
Way before that- There were divisions in the First Century that Paul wrote about.
@@donnatullio6270 you're catholic not a Christian.
@@merial7, Cathic, Christian, Baptist u name it. We r all followers in Christ. In Heaven it is not abt denomination..
@@donnatullio6270 Not all Catholics will get to Heaven, but in Heaven there are only Catholics. In other words, there is no Denominationalism in Heaven. Jesus and St. Paul taught that we should be one and agree on EVERYTHING.
I didn't get past your reading of the Scripture. No matter your beliefs, not just in Scripture, but as it applies to life in general. Your belief, if indeed genuine, dictates your actions. Belief in Christ will naturally produce works worthy of Him. Belief that you can become a world class power lifter will find you acting accordingly working towards that end. So what James is saying is, true belief will produce the works which affirms your belief in Christ.
I think a big issue with protestants is they are still in the midst of biblical discussions that Catholics have already had
Yes I've noticed that too. A lot of wasted energy trying to settle things thay have already been settled.
Right, and they all have this notion that "the more you stick to the literal text, there more you are correct" so they hold silly views which we can prove wrong with modern science.
But this puritanism is doomed to fail as it refused to grow and learn
This is an underrated comment. Love it.
Hey there! Brothers and sisters in christ, don't be deceived. I wanted to share some Bible verses that highlight the fact that we are saved by God's grace, not by our works.
Ephesians 2:8-9 says, "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
And Romans 5:20-21 adds, "where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
Regarding James 2:24, it's important to understand the context. This verse isn't about salvation but about the relationship between faith and works in the life of a believer. James is emphasizing that genuine faith will result in good works, not as a means of earning salvation, but as a natural outflow of a transformed heart.
So while James 2:24 discusses the importance of good works as evidence of genuine faith, it doesn't contradict the clear teaching of the Bible that we are saved by God's grace, not by our works.
Hello, I'm not sure whether you are aware but the verses you provide are 100% Catholic teaching.
There is no contradiction at all.
Catholics teach that we are fully saved BY GRACE and not of our own doing.
For example the Catechism states:
CCC 153 When St. Peter confessed that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, Jesus declared to him that this revelation did not come "from flesh and blood", but from "my Father who is in heaven". Faith is a gift of God, a supernatural virtue infused by him. "Before this faith can be exercised, man must have the grace of God to move and assist him; he must have the interior helps of the Holy Spirit, who moves the heart and converts it to God, who opens the eyes of the mind and 'makes it easy for all to accept and believe the truth.'"
CCC 154 Believing is possible only by grace and the interior helps of the Holy Spirit. But it is no less true that believing is an authentically human act. Trusting in God and cleaving to the truths he has revealed is contrary neither to human freedom nor to human reason. Even in human relations it is not contrary to our dignity to believe what other persons tell us about themselves and their intentions, or to trust their promises (for example, when a man and a woman marry) to share a communion of life with one another. If this is so, still less is it contrary to our dignity to "yield by faith the full submission of... intellect and will to God who reveals",26 and to share in an interior communion with him.
As you can see it is only possible by God's grace to even have Faith, this is official Catholic teaching.
The official Catholic teaching is also clearly displayed in the following verses of Phillipians 2:12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed-not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence-continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,
-> WE have to work out our salvations (meaning we DO WORK for salvation,) St. Paul commands us.
13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.
But we cannot boast, because even so it is God's work in us, we require His grace.
Put simple it is like this:
1. God's grace is required for our salvation
2. God provides this grace to all people: 1 Timothy 2 : 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
3. We work together with God's grace out of our free will.
Note that if you pull out step three, and deny us to have free will then the result is a problem, since God WANTS all people to be saved.
If our will (wanting) is 0% in effect here, and it is God's will for all people to be saved; how comes there is even a single person in hell?
Well, thats sttled if the word said it.
@@sotem3608 maybe but Protestants teach christ blood is only way to be absolved, not by pope. Plus history has recorded catholic prist charging for absolution, sorry christ blood did that, and by faith it is a free gift.
Well done, sir. You once taught in Protestant seminaries, but hopefully you will also teach in Catholic seminaries. Subscribed.
Stealing Gods title there I see , Portelli .
We are commanded in the Holy Bible to call NO MAN Father for we have our Father in heaven .
You have no fear of God , and are therefore devoid of wisdom and love for your Creator .
@@malcolmscrivener8750 sadly it's the Protestants who have no fear of God, often calling Him a friend etc....
And for you to follow Luther rather then the Holy Church that God Himself established 2000 years back just proves your ignorance.
We Know that Only God the Father is the God of the Holy Trinity. We call a prist a Father out of RESPECT because he is the Alter Christi during the Holy Mass touching the Body Blood Soul and Divinity of our Lord and Savior in the Holy Eucharist. The Eucharist our Lord established 2000 years ago. The Eucharist you Protestants, still in protest against God's Holy Church, reject......Sadly
@@marzena3396815 I’m afraid you have swallowed the lies hook , line and sinker Marzena .
Alter Christi means another Christ which is what we are strictly warned about in the Bibles description of the last days before the return of the Lord Jesus Christ . Read your Bible for yourself and ask Him for guidance to escape satans church .
@@malcolmscrivener8750 Christ Himself said - "Do this in remembrance of me "
@@malcolmscrivener8750 You are no doubt referring to Matthew 23:1-12, when Jesus tells us to call no man “father” or “teacher.” I suspect that you don't have any objection to calling a man "teacher" though, because you don't see that as a distinctively Catholic practice.
Nevertheless, when Jesus speaks in Matthew 23:1-12, He is clearly using figurative language to emphasize that all legitimate authority and truth ultimately come from God. We are not to take these passages slavishly literally. Throughout the Bible many men are called fathers and teachers.
For example, the father Abraham is referred to in Isaiah 51:1-2, Galatians 3:29, Genesis 12:2, Genesis 17:3-7, Genesis 18:19, Joshua 24:3, Romans 4:11-13, Galatians 3:16, John 8:39, and John 8:56.
In addition, St. Stephen and St. Paul call the Jewish religious leaders “fathers” (Acts 7:2 and 22:1). St. Paul calls the Corinthians “my beloved children.... for I became your father in Christ Jesus through the Gospel” (1 Cor 4:14-15; also see 1 Thess 2:11, 1 Tim 1:2, and Tit 1:4). St. Paul became their spiritual father because he cooperated with God in giving them spiritual life, just as biological fathers cooperate with God in giving physical life.
Catholics call their priests “father” because, like St. Paul, priests cooperate with God in giving spiritual life to their flock by preaching the Gospel and administering the sacraments. By the way, Orthodox priests and some Anglican clergymen (despite being Protestant), are also called "father."
Christians of all stripes call earthly men fathers and teachers all the time. Is your dad not a father too? Do you not celebrate "Father's Day"? When you were in school, did you have a problem with referring to your instructors as "teacher"? If you are a male with children, are you not also a "father" and a "teacher" to your children?
Justification does not equal salvation. Anything one does that show the authenticity of his faith is a form of justification, that is, you have justified your claim to have faith. This fact in no way supports or denies any of the standard theologies, however silly or superstitious they may be.
Thank you, sir, for this wonderful video. I was protestant for twenty-eight years and was received into the True Church four years ago. Praise God I came home.
You do realize that Catholicism is a denomination, and ALL true believers world-wide make up the TRUE, and only, Church.... Paul spoke against denominations if you care about truth!
@@TexasBlues-ip6sv are you a christian or a muslim?
@@TexasBlues-ip6sv Paul was the apostles to the Gentiles . and the last apostle . and God inspired him to write most of the letters to the Churches , stop calling God a liar . he inspired every thing that Paul did
Paul says that the Church which Christ established is His body of saved believers
and when some one gets saved they are added to the Church his body Acts 2 : 47
No problem here. It is stated over and over and over again in Scripture that you are saved by your faith in Christ. You show your faith to others by what you do and how you live. Salvation is a free gift.
Yup, and nowhere does it say by faith "alone" - the founding principle of Protestantism.
Very true
@@DouglasBeaumontthanks read Galatians 2:16
@@DouglasBeaumontCan you cite any verse in Scripture where Christ stated we are saved by faith and works? No. In every encounter Jesus had with people seeking His help, He remarks about their faith only. I don't know about you, but I think I'll follow what Christ said and did.
James 2 is saying that we show our faith by what we do. This is very true. Actions always speak louder than words. You cannot show your faith verbally. Live it!
We are saved by Faith only.
You are right with the fact that most Protestants also adhere to (false) traditions. That's why the Reformation of the 16th century was just the first step in returning to the original apostolic faith. The Reformation continued and must continue, removing false traditions wherever they appear - be it catholic or protestant. To discern true and false traditions there must be a standard which is the scriptures. As a protestant, I don't reject tradition out of hand, but measure its truthfulness according to scripture and the law of God. This is what is meant by sola scriptura: Any writing and doctrine must be scrutinized by the scriptures and not the other way around.
Yep! I hear you. I am a graduate of the Moody Bible Institute ('82) and have been a Greek Orthodox priest since '96. It is very clear to me that Jesus wasn't speaking in a parable in John 6.
""Works" is not referring to religious achievements. It's talking about "actions", especially "actions of faith" or "acting in faith". James challenges his readers to show him the faith in their hearts, while he will show him the faith in his actions- the evidence of regeneration.
The text and argument brought by the video are absolutely insufficient to support what has been said against the "Sola Scriptura" and "Sola Fide" principles. In the context from verse 14 to 26 of chapter 2, James is not saying that we are saved by works. He is bringing the connection between faith and works, showing that true faith leads to works as a prove that the faith is real. There is a synergy between faith and works, one reinforcing the other, but the whole text, in its context, is not enough to support that works are the original cause of salvation. We need to check it out from other apostolic scriptures to get it clear (what causes salvation, works or faith?). For example, in Ephesians 2. 8-9 it is clear what is the "cause" of salvation between faith and works: ..."For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God - not by works, so that no-one can boast" (Ephesians 2.8-9). Many other texts like Romans 3.28; 5.1-2; Acts 16.31; 1 Peter 1.9 and so on confirms salvation as the outcome of faith in the Savior - Jesus Christ. You've failed to refute the "Sola Scriptura" and "Sola Fide" principles because you misinterpreted the text of James 2.24 - makes a faulty exegesis of the text. Reading the New Testament apostolic teaching and not seeing that salvation comes from faith in the Jesus' redemptive death on the cross and not by works and that works are relevant only as prove of faith is simply not surrendering to what is clearly being exhaustively taught by them.
You WROTE: "In the context from verse 14 to 26 of chapter 2, James is not saying that we are saved by works."
My response: What "context" do you mean? And why is that "context" is the correct context?
You WROTE: "He is bringing the connection between faith and works, showing that true faith leads to works as a prove that the faith is real."
My response: James 2:20-23 states clearly "Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? Was not Abraham our father justified by
works when he offered up his son Isaac on
the altar? You see that faith was active along with his
works, and faith was completed by his works; and the Scripture was fulfilled that says,
"Abraham believed God, and it was counted
to him as righteousness"--and he was called a
friend of God." You can see that James wrote " *faith was active along with his
works, and faith was completed by his works* " . He didn't wrote that faith leads to works, but faith is active with works and is completed by works. Therefore James concluded in verse 24: "You see that a person is justified by works
and not by faith alone."
You WROTE: "We need to check it out from other apostolic scriptures to get it clear (what causes salvation, works or faith?). For example, in Ephesians 2. 8-9 it is clear what is the "cause" of salvation between faith and works: ..."For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God - not by works, so that no-one can boast" (Ephesians 2.8-9)."
My response: This argument doesn't prove Sola Fide nor disprove it. We Catholic totally agree that salvation is a free gift from God given by grace through faith. We also admit that we do nothing to earn that gift. But we believe that we have to do good works to keep that gift. For example, let's say I give you a free book, and you have done nothing to have that gift. Now the question is, can you lose that book? The answer is "yes", if you throw it away, or forget where you put that book in, etc. Ephesians 2:8-9 doesn't give us the information that when we have the salvation from God, we can lose it or not. In addition to that, the verse says "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith...", NOT "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith *alone* ...". Paul was talking about the time when the Ephesians was once saved (the phrase "you have been saved" is in past tense), and that time salvation was "by grace", "through faith", and "not by works", but he didn't say that from then on works don't play any roles in salvation.
You WROTE: "Many other texts like Romans 3.28; 5.1-2; Acts 16.31; 1 Peter 1.9 and so on confirms salvation as the outcome of faith in the Savior - Jesus Christ."
My response: I have checked all those verses, and the only one mentions the outcome of faith is 1 Peter 1:9, so I will only discuss it (Btw, the other ones also don't prove Sola Fide). Here, I have two notes for you: first, this is not a full sentence; second, you are dropping words from the Bible. Let's look at the full sentence 1 Peter 1. 8-9: "Though you have not seen him, you love
him. Though you do not now see him, you
believe in him and rejoice with joy that is inexpressible and filled with glory, obtaining the outcome of your faith, the
salvation of your souls." So what the Bible actually says is "the outcome of *your* faith". You have dropped the word "your", which I assume because you think "your" here is whoever reads this letter including you and me. This assumption I suppose comes from the fact that you cite a portion of a full sentence. If you read the whole sentence, it is clear that "your" here refers to the the ones who "have not seen him" yet "love
him", who " do not now see him" yet "believe in him and rejoice with joy that is inexpressible and filled with glory". Those people Peter was writing to have not seen God, but still believe in God. Because of that faith, they are saved. However, we have no information given by Peter that from then on, they will need to or don't need to do any works to keep that salvation. Peter also not mentioning people who have not seen God and not believe in him, or people who have seen God and not believe in him, or people who have seen God and believe in him. Those possibilities are left open by that passage. Moreover, Peter wrote "the outcome of your faith", NOT "the outcome of your faith *alone* ."
Why does the Trinity not appear in the Bible?peace///
I would encourage you to watch mike gendron's and "revolve church" video's on u-tube. 1. if your going to go hard core on james 2:24, then your going to have to throw all of paul's writing's away. this is where both catholicism and protestantism loses. either you reconcile james and paul or you throw the bible out. it seems only fair too see that james is showing that you can't say your saved, and then do nothing. 2. it seems rather obvious that jesus was using a figure of speech when he said to eat his flesh and drink his blood. the catholic communion has jesus being being crucified endlessly. jesus had to die only once, not thousands of times. 3. the thief on the cross did not get baptized, yet he went to paradise. in acts 11:44- 48 we see people who already had the holy spirit , before being baptized. in acts 9:17-19 saul receives the holy spirit and there is no mention of baptism. jesus said you would know them by their fruit. look at the rotten fruit of catholicism= inquisitions, crusades, endless man made canonical laws that no man can ever obey. and nowdays endless sexual scandals, and huge profits off of selling statues and other catholic junk.
1. False - you only lose Paul if you misunderstand him like Luther did.
2. So opbvious that Jesus lost nearly all his disciples and never explained? Doubtful.
3. Standard "what about the thief on the cross" retort answered here: czcams.com/video/l1XZIXl5I2E/video.html
That's enough for now.
I reckon the thief who hung on the cross next to Jesus wasn’t saved by faith either? Oh wait…
Oh wait.... answered here: czcams.com/video/l1XZIXl5I2E/video.html
Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on us.
Christos Anesti! (Christ is risen!)
"I am The Way, The Truth, and The Life. No one comes to The Father except through Me." Personally as a Protestant I appreciate the sacraments as they are acts that bring the things that are spiritual to the physical, they all point to what Christ has done for us, however, it would be very dangerous to state that these sacraments and good deeds are what saves the soul, If we separate these things completely from Christ then they are all meaningless. Sacraments and good deeds are part of the faith, but let us not forget the Divine Man behind all the things we do
Doesn't sound very Protestant to me. Welcome to your journey.
@@jmon1272 i am tho lol... I'm part of an evangelical church
Also if by saying "welcome to your journey" you're welcoming me to catholicism, I would humbly say I do not intend to go catholic, or be strictly part of any denomination for that matter. In fact I would love to see protestants continue what the reformation wanted to do, and that is to perform a sort of, well, reformation to reform the Church and bring it back to biblical. More than anything I would love for the Church to stop pointing at each other calling each brother and sister a heretic, rather come together at a round table and have an intellectual discussion, to have a fellowship to achieve broader and deeper knowledge of the sacred texts, more than anything I would like for The One True Church(not protestant, catholic, orthodox, or any denomination for that mater, rather each and every individual who is saved by, has a relation to, and follows the teachings of Christ) to be united as a one body bearing abundant fruits for The Bridegroom
John, the Catholic Church has undergone many, many, many reformations in its history... much like the round tables you describe. As more of an orthodox/traditional Catholic, I fully agree that the current and past abuses in the Church require such a reformation. "The reformation" that most folks are familiar with (Luther) was essentially a breaking away versus a true reform. A kind of "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" so to speak. Although the Catholic Church has always been in need of and conducted reformations, I believe that it is the one true and most importantly apostolic Church... albeit far from perfect. Perfection comes much later in all of our stories. Also, no disrespect in my comments on your "journey"... I'm firmly on one myself and am convinced Catholicism is the correct path for my personal journey. Maybe yours as well :)
"If we separate these things completely from Christ then they are all meaningless." Yes, and no Catholic does that.
Your problem Douglas, is that "faith alone" is also from Scriptures! Eph. 2:8-9 "For by grace are you saved through faith and not of yourselves, it is a gift of God and not of "WORKS" lest any man boast." and there are other verses that say the same. "Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy He save us." "And if by grace then is it no more by works otherwise grace is no longer grace."-Ro. 11:6 Your first and worst error Douglas, Is your approach to how you interpret scriptures. You use that one little verse of James and ignore a plethora of verses that say the opposite. You're using the "Scriptures cannot be broken" clause to justify your use of James to trump all the opposite verses. The way to rightly divide the Word of God is to balance scripture with scripture. And if a bunch of other scriptures outweigh your one little verse that you want to use as a foundation of your theology. Then there must be something wrong with the "interpretation" of that verse! I suggest James's verse should be interpreted "fruits" and not "works" (faith without fruits is dead). Because it then perfectly corresponds with Jesus' own statements on the subject in John 15. "If a vine brings forth no "fruit", it is cut off and cast into the fire and is burned up." I hope you do know the difference between "fruit" and "works"? Fruit is the product of having a spiritual union with God through faith in Jesus Christ' work on the cross. Which reconciles all those who believe back into communion with God. Who then become pregnant with the spiritual fruit of God, bringing forth new children of God. Those won to God by seeing and hearing the witness and testimony of the former. Is it work to bring forth children into the kingdom of God? It does require some labor of obedience. But as soon as the new child is brought forth the labor is straightway forgotten because of the miracle of a new child of God! It certainly is not the works centered around the trappings of the church. Trappings designed to "trap" converts into service to the church establishment, which renders them spiritually sterile and barren of bringing forth any fruit of the Kingdom of God. "The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life and he that wins souls is wise."-Pro. 11:30 I'm not judging the Catholic Church. I'm sure there are practitioners that bring forth good fruit. However the Catholic church does not OWN the rights to God's blessings and Salvation. That they do would be a heresy to suggest.
If your faith doesn't bring about good works or fruit, it's not real faith in Jesus. I'm still a protestant.
We are not saved by our works, traditions,faith ,or any other ceremonial idolatry crafty acts.......we are saved only if we follow Jesus Christ....... The truth.
Going through the comments, I see many Protestants are returning to the Catholic Church in response to your sincere works. May God strengthen you further.
They are not Protestants, and not Spirit filled most likely. Because one who is reborn will never fall totally back into a works based gospel who teaches people that they are justified through God's law hence good works, and stay there.
@@halilalexanderzeverboom6872 In the final judgement God is seen taking into consideration of the works done. For example he says, I was hungry, you did not feed me, I was sick you did not visit me etc. It is clear He assesses the work of every man. In the end of the Revelation the Lord says, I am coming soon, and I will reward every one according to his works. Some people rely on St Paul to drive home the idea that faith alone is needed. But it is not so, if someone goes through his epistles carefully, he can find that he also insists good works as part of seeking nobility and eternity. This is why St James says faith without work is dead. One can mangify his faith only through work. Our Lord also says, it is not he who calls me Lord, Lord who enters the kingdom of God, but he who fulfills the will of his Father. Faith can be manifested by work alone.
What is your stand about the Holy Eucharist? If you consider it only as a memorial service, I have to make a strong point against that. If you are interested I shall.
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The judgement in Matthew 25 speaks about a judgement incase of alle the nations who survived the day of the Lord/great tribulation. It says the nations from all corners will be gathered. And they are judged based on their works, especially their attitude to the Jews during the great tribulation which will be the most worst time ever on earth. I don't believe this text can be used to support the thought that reborn christians will receive eternal life based on faith + works. Why do i say this? Both sheep and goats are suprised and confused when Christ said I was hungry and you gave Me food, I was naked and you clothed me etc. The sheep on this occasion aren't representing reborn believers but unbelieving persons from the nations who survived the great tribulation. They are counted as sheep because of their attitude to believing Jews in the great tribulation. If the sheep really were reborn believers how could they be surprised about what Christ said to them. They would know as christians that God asks those things of us, but they did not. I don't believe any gospel which mixes justification and sanctification incase of earning eternal life.
Incase of the Eucharist, i believe that we keep de Lord's Supper in remembrance for His broken body and His shed blood for the forgivness of our sins. He told it to us Himself to do it in remembrance to Him. The problem to me is often that Orthodox place church tradition above the authority of Scripture. This leads to many errors, but the biggest one for me is a gospel of legalism where in the deepest core is teached that a christian is saved by faith + works, hence, saved by keeping God's law. This is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
You know the pope is the Anti-Christ and Mary you have is a Whoe !
@@matthewstanger1423 Mary is the woman mentioned by God in Genesis 3:15 and from Mary, Jesus was born by the Holy Spirit. If you call Mary a whore, you are questioning the birth of Jesus and thereby the Holy Spirit. Jesus has said any sin against the Son of Man will be forgiven. But the sins against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven either in this age or in the age to come. Here, you have specifically sinned against the Holy Spirit, and according to the word of Jesus, your fate has been sealed by yourself.
What a great Christmas gift to see a new video from you!
More to come!
Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Don't leave out v10. _10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them._
@@TruthHasSpoken Right, because when we walk in the spirit we won’t gratify the desires of the flesh (Galatians 5:16). And Jesus also said you will know them by their fruits (Matthew 7:16). And we see what the 9 fruits of the spirit are in “Galatians 5:22-23.” And finally; 2 Corinthians 5:17 says “If anyone is in Christ he is a new creation, old things have passed away and all things become new,” so we’re not earning anything by works, but instead the character of Christ reflects through us when we are truly walking with him, remember God looks at the heart of man, and we read in James Chapter 2 that faith without works is dead, in other words the works are the evidence of the FAITH that is in us, faith produces works, the “WORKS” are the outcome of our faith. Obviously if we say we walk with God and believe in him but our actions show different then we know that the truth is not in us because again, like Jesus said you’ll know them by their fruits. Even the demons believe and tremble (James 2:19) so we must believe first and it’s his amazing grace that saves us because we deserve hell, then our works are evidence that HE is in us.
The Bible doesn’t say earn this by doing that or earn salvation by good works, but instead receive the free gift from God which was Jesus and that work HE did on the cross was final and complete. The word doesn’t contradict itself, you have to learn to read it in context and know it all as a whole to understand how it fully comes together like a puzzle.
Read the scriptures that lead up to that verse, then read the James verse he talks about it this video…meditate on them and ask yourself how could both be true
Fetis formata
Amen and Amen. And the Bible said: "Who will try to edited and/or added unto to, it will be added his or her punishment in the time of judgments day."
Yep, Roman Catholics add to Scripture routinely.
@@quinntjenkins the Catholic church made the Bible
Excellent video! I was raised Catholic, left the church for 13 years was protestant and a lay minister. I left protestantism because their was no unity of doctrine. Also, I saw protestantism was inconsistent with scripture. When I share my Catholic faith with protestants they don't want to hear scripture that is quite clear. You are right they are holding on to their traditions even though it's not in the bible. I studied catholic theology and compared to scripture and it held up. That was the key for me to come back to the Catholic faith. It's sad how many excatholics who are now protestant.
But Catholics don't hold onto tradition? They literally say tradition is Sacred and put it on par with scripture.
What scripture are you reading? My bible has Mary making sin offerings and calling Jesus her SAVIOR among a million other anti-Catholic things.
@@KingMswatiIII But popes are infallible when it comes to faith and morals. If there was even one blatant contradiction on those, it would call the entire papacy into question. Luckily, that's an easy thing to dig into!
@@KingMswatiIII Those are great verses too. The true gospel is all over the new testament. Catholics just need to read the bible! (And stop pretending that Catholic masses are giving them enough)
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr Yes, see 2 Thessalonians 2:14. Protestants hold on too traditions that are not in the bible like faith alone or scripture alone.
I was once a protestant and I can tell you it’s in the Protestant Bible also as the Catholic Bible I don’t know off the top of my head but it’s even said that whole household were baptized that means from infant to the elderly
Amen, Sister. In the Book of Acts. Peter and Silus
Yes whole households were baptized , and just what were the requirements to be baptized?
-just as Jesus died for our sins, was buried, and rose to life again (see Romans 6:3-5). Jesus commanded His followers to make disciples and to baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (see Matthew 28:18-20).
Baptism has no saving virtue in itself. Jesus is our only Savior. But those who love Him will follow Him in baptism to signify their decision to accept Him as their Savior.
According to the Bible, what are the prerequisites for being baptized?
1. Confess your sins.
The Bible says of John the Baptist: “Then Jerusalem, all Judea, and all the region around the Jordan went out to him and were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins (Matthew 3:5, 6, NKJV). We need to acknowledge that we are sinners and confess our sins to God. If we do, He will forgive us (see 1 John 1:9).
Ever heard an infant confess their sins?
2. Repent of your sins.
When Peter preached to the people in Jerusalem on Pentecost following the resurrection of Jesus, many of them were convicted by the Holy Spirit and asked Peter what they should do. He replied, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins” (Acts 2:38, NKJV).
Ever heard of an infant repenting of their sins?
3. Believe
Believe on Jesus Christ and accept Him as your Savior from sin. When Philip met an Ethiopian and told him about Jesus, the Ethiopian wanted to be baptized. Philip told him, “ ‘If you believe with all your heart, you may.’ And he answered and said, ‘I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.’ . . . . And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him” (Acts 8:37, 38, NKJV). “He who believes and is baptized will be saved” (Mark 16:16, NKJV).
so how many infants have you heard express their belief in our savior?
next query you should look for in scripture is baptism by full immersion as sprinkling is never found in scripture and the bible is what God has written for us for example of how we are to live. 2Tim 3:15-17
How do you know there were infants in the household? In Acts 10 everyone in the household hears Peter’s preaching and receives the Holy Spirit before baptism suggesting that everyone might have been old enough to understand preaching.
@@rds9872 Come on. Let's be serious. Let's say it was not an infant. Are you trying to tell me there were not at least a child between them? A household is composed of a mother, father and kids. You know it my friend lol. So you're trying to say it was all adults in there? How do you even know that too?
@@ricardocineus3799 Of course there were children. Children can hear the gospel, believe, and get baptized. Even at 2 or 3 years old that can be understood in a basic sense. The controversy is over infants who can’t understand and there is no reason to believe there were any present.
1. The problem that James is dealing is different from the problem in Ephesians that Paul discuses, about the relation between faith and works. 2. It is very important to take in consideration verse 22, that shows very well the goal that James has. To show that works contribute to the perfection of faith. There is no contradiction in being saved by faith and grace only and importance of the works for faith perfection/grow.
The worst problem is the complicity of Protestantism ... for example, Lutherans and Anglicans agree with infant baptism, but only Catholicism is criticised for such beliefs! ... Different Protestant denominations contradict each other, but they have a common front against Catholicism .. I have seen videos where Protestants conclude that Catholics are not even Christians because of infant baptism, eucharist, confession, sacraments, the Papacy and saints; nonetheless, many other Protestant denominations believe too, but they omit them and silently excuse them ... so, the debate is not theological, but Catholic bashing!
Excellent point, Brother! In Catholic-Protestant debates, this point has be highlighted. I make sure to tell my Baptist friends that their Protestant breathen believe in infant baptism AND sola scriptura, so it MUST be in the bible. And it is, but they don t want to accept it. Very sad. Pray for them!
100% I would have more respect if they had the same hate for all 'infringements' of their own Protestant denominations, before they accuse Catholics! But nope, their agenda is garner as many brainwashed people with a standard pamphlet of Romans and Galations passages. And where they sometimes choose to be literal vs where their pastors put any interpretation to a story is just 😮💨
The tire without the air is going nowhere!
No matter which side of the road your on, thats a good one. ☝️
‘All your righteous deeds are as filthy rags in my sight.’ If we are saved, we will want to do good deeds, but good deeds alone cannot save us. Plenty of non believers do many good works, hoping to earn their way to heaven.
Good thing no one teaches that good deeds alone can save us!
@@DouglasBeaumont yet Catholics believe the sacraments are required for salvation and many, Mary is the way.
I have said this before and I will keep on saying it until the penny drops and the subtlety of the variation in our faith is understood .We are saved by grace through faith ( for good works ) What does that mean ? We are saved by grace through faith.We are filled with the holy spirit The holy spirit renews our minds so our hearts want to please god .What is the consequence ?We do our good works out of love for god in response to his love and grace on the cross.God does the saving and we do the responding.At the end of the day God wants your heart .God bless everyone
Very well reasoned. I find the critique of a double standard very compelling. Most Protestants claim a tradition in submission to Scripture, but do not accept that this actually means a tradition in submission to their interpretation of Scripture. This is a must watch!
Thank you!
Well said friend. I tell protestant’s only Jesus can found a Church NOT sinful men! There’s ONLY ONE CHURCH the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH founded by God himself Two Thousand year’s ago on the infallible Rock of Peter. Again there’s ONLY ONE CHURCH that’s it! Watch the warning or illumination of conscience by Christine Watkins. Then The Papacy can NOT be destroyed. Then Don’t call protestant’s Christian. The Bible is a Catholic book the protestant Bible is an incomplete and corrupted Catholic book which I’d recycle. God bless.
This highlights the problem when Catholics attempt to critique Protestantism. You lump them all into one entity as though they all believe the same things, then critique them. It fails in this instance because there are Protestant denominations which a very high regard for tradition. To say that Protestants as a whole reject tradition is a straw man, if ever there was one.
@@paulthiele3102 I never stated they all reject tradition. That would indeed be a strawman... My claim is that all Protestants claim tradition submits to Scripture. In practice, this actually means tradition submits to an interpretation of Scripture, not Scripture itself. The individual is ultimately the authority in this situation.
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No!
Ah yes. The Roman Catholic Church, that mixes "good works" and the grace of God to merit one's salvation from hell. Faith in what Jesus did on the cross mixed with the Seven Sacraments of do, do, do or go to hell. Read Ephesians, Chapter 2, Verses 8 & 9, Douglas.
No. Just no. James 2:24 doesn't even say that according to an advanced translation, the NIV, the term is more like "considered to be righteous".
Also, Judaism already offers a way to be ressurected, blessed and judged to be righteousness through works, which means if works were involved with salvation then there was no point to Jesus' sacrifice.
And, since Peter accepts Paul's rebuke and you hold James above Paul then you must acknowledge that James, another apostle, contradicts both Peter and Paul with authority over them. In other words you're admitting that James was the automatically authoritative apostle which means you must believe James was the head of the apostles, not Peter, a conclusion I'm sure the Catholic church doesn't want to draw.
James 2:24
24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.
Ephesians 2: 8-9
8For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not from you; it is the gift of God; 9it is not from works, so no one may boast.
Galatians 2:16
16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in[a] Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
I am sorry to say this is a common poor Technique that people use to interpret scripture. In order to Properly understand a scripture, you need to read the twenty verses before and twenty verses after. In that way, the Bible is like any other book. Where the author is making a point over a period of paragraphs.. By what the author of this video is doing, he is taking one sentence out of contacts from the whole ithat james is trying to make. He left out the other protestant concept that scripture Interprets scripture. Instead, he is taking one sentence and then putting his spin on it. Rather than trying to see what else the Bible says about the idea of salvation. This is no different than the jewish rabbi's commentaries on the scripture, which got a lot of things mangled over the centuries. You'll see several places in the gospels where jesus has to correct them. This should be a warning to anyone who tries to use human philosophy and reason to interpret scripture rather than let the plain words of god interpret themselves. May god richly bless you all as you discover his wonderful plan for yourselves.
You simply cannot pluck a verse, out of context, to create a belief system that is contradicts another verse or core belief. You just babbled and made no sense
I don't know why it's so hard for protestants to understand: the works we need to do are the works that gives us Christ's merits. The merits are His, not ours. To say that we are saved by the merits of our own works is condemned as anathema in the Council of Trent.
Because of reading Trent they read James White. ;)
James is a prime example of why you don't create a doctrine or understanding based on one scripture. I think Paul, who wrote 2/3 of the new Testament was clear that we were saved by Grace through Faith in Jesus Christ. A person who is born again by the Holy Spirit desires to do good works. It comes natural for the person of God to love and help their fellow man. James was correct when he said if you have faith you will do good works. There's a big difference between doing good works because you love your fellow man versus doing good works to make God love you.
Yes!
“For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God’s gift - not from works, so that no one can boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared ahead of time for us to do.”
Ephesians 2:8-10 CSB
James is literally saying that the justification is ALSO by works and not by faith alone. The works play a part in it. It's exactly the verse Doug is talking about in the video.
CORRECT: Paul, who wrote 2/3 of the new Testament was clear that we were saved by Grace through Faith in Jesus Christ.
INCORRECT: Sola Fide
Amen !!! God is LOVE and he who loves is of God. Faith comes when we learn about God and LOVE trumps faith....see 1 Cor. 13, " If I have faith to move mountains but not LOVE = I am nothing."
Considering the first Protestant Reformation occurred in 1054, not 1517, one might think about removing the moat from one's own eye before pointing out the splinter in his neighbor's.
1054 was a split, a Schism, it was not a "reformation" and it was NOT anything close to protestant.
Keep coping, pal.
@@erikriza7165 - not for the POV of the Eastern Church. 1517 was merely a doubling down on the error in 1054.
There are many scriptures that produce faith by the hearing of the word. It will take more than a single verse to cause me to doubt my Savior.
Like Mr. Beaumont, I was Evangelical before becoming Catholic. I went to RCIA to prove the faith wrong. That was in 1998. I was confirmed in 1999. So much for my plans. I tempted God twice. The first led me to being saved. The second to the Catholic Church.
CenterPorch NP how did you get saved , ? and
what scriptures did you read that brought you to the catholic church. ? because I don`t believe the Holy spirit would lead anyone to the apostate
catholic church with its unbiblical dogmas and doctrines and false Gospel of work base salvation
I get it. It’s been hidden in plain view all this time. However, an element that I have always found in Protestantism is the inability to look past an emotional Interpretation based on literalism. Or, a literal interpretation based on emotionalism. Thank you
That makes no sense whatsoever. You're hitting at a straw man.
@@dnzswithwombats There's no straw man in what he posted. He posted the truth.
@@wms72 Complete straw man.
Only a fool takes a single scripture and builds their doctrine on it. This is not a theological study. This is picking out single scripture to justify YOUR doctrine and it is false teaching.
Wow, that’s an awful lot of “ us vs them” right there. Why spend so much time criticizing and dividing rather than bringing Christians together?
Actually, this doesn’t destroy faith alone because only a person who generally believes in Jesus will do these works . A person who doesn’t believe won’t do these works at all . They claim to know God, but they deny him by what they do - Titus 1:16 .
Actually Actually, non-Christians also do good works.
@@fantasia55 they only do it because they have family who are Christians . If it was up to them, they wouldn’t do these works because they don’t believe.
@@fantasia55 they only do it because they have family who are Christians . If it was up to them they wouldn’t do these works because they don’t believe .
Hindus can perform good works.
@@sbblando8533 they don’t believe in Jesus .
Thank you for the information. I came across a lady yesterday who found out I was Catholic and proceeded to harass me and call me unsaved and a heretic. She would not confirm her faith. You just explained her argument and how she twisted everything.
Glad it helped!
I find it sad that so much of Protestantism seems to rely on anti-Catholic bigotry.
Protestants think unless a person is a protestant, he can't be saved. Having faith is not enough. A person must be a Protestant besides trusting in the finished work of Jesus for salvation.
When asked what is faith that saves a person, these protestants will say faith is trust in the saving work of Jesus Christ on the cross; faith is a believe that Jesus died on the cross for your sake and had paid the penalty for all your past, present and future sins. You just have to believe in this and appropriate the free gift of salvation.
Great true talk brother. I fully agree to your statement that you speak from evangelizist'experience and this is the best and the only way for the current protestants to hera and believe and get out and return to the Catholic Church
Been born again for over 50yrs, and one of the most striking versus in scripture is found, in, 2corinthians 3:6- "the letter killeth, but the spirit gives life," KJB- to fully understand this verse, one must have the spirit of God, (be born of the spirit) for without the spirit, it's like trying to paddle up Niagara falls without a padle.. any living saint of God, born of the spirit can discern what is, what isn't, what was, what is not, who is, who isn't and what Christ means to the world.. all the schizm brought about by those that misinterpret the word of truth, are nothing but dust in the wind, that gets carried about and does nothing but blind the eyes;-like Jesus said, " when the blind lead the blind, they both fall into a ditch." You can take any verse out of context and it becomes a pretext. Only the lord knows, and it's why you must receive his holy spirit to discern all truth, no matter who, or what you are.. "if it is from the lord, it shall stand, and if it is not from the lord, it shall fall."..
I really love to listen your Channel....Proud to be Catholics
The Catholics changed God’s 10 Commandments so I wouldn’t be so proud. Changing those commandments mean you don’t follow God’s word which is a rebellion to God. That is a very dangerous road to go down
@@iamcoffeemug9350 you are saved by grace, the ten commandment were giving to show how good you had to be if living by works but in Jesus it is by faith and grace nothing more ,he paid for it all
@@iamcoffeemug9350 You can’t possibly be serious… this comment is by far the dumbest comment I’ve read in a long while.
@@iamcoffeemug9350 the Catholic never changed the commandments of God this is just paranoia
Better proud to be in Jesus
Solid arguments, Doug. This is a very similar problem I ran into that brought me to the Church. I learned that different Protestant and Evangelical communities had different and even opposing views on Baptism. That seemed very odd to me. This lead me to the authority question..wasn’t long at all after that and I was preparing to be received into the Fullness of the Faith.
Once you realize the necessity of authority in the faith, Protestantism becomes seriously problematic. Thanks for watching!
I think we use that word "faith" loosely, i.e. "Catholic faith" "Protestant faith". My faith is in Jesus Christ. Believing without seeing.
I do not need any other proof of what awaits me upon death. I’m a sinner and know that my Savior/Jesus died on the cross to save me if I confess my sins. I would never be able to go to heaven if not for him. I only put my faith in him. We as humans cannot think like God thinks.
@Myles Kage
Welcome to purgatory fires!
@@DouglasBeaumont *If the authority is corrupt. Than it is not of any value. Think about it this way. The Pharisees were corrupt. But they were the authorities in charge. Jesus rejected their authority since they went against scriptrue. So we are to follow Jesus.
Mathew 23 : 23-31 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, Tnd say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
Matthew 15:7-9 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mark 7:7-13 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
So which is the Higher authority? Men in charge. Or Jesus?
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
2Timothy 3:15-17 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works
So if a tradition says the Bible is wrong. You would follow the Tradition and not the Bible?
True. Even the devil and demons have faith and know all scripture.
They don't really have "faith".
@@CatholicDefender-bp7my are you aware that catholicism actually mandates sin - according to God's Word?
@@CatholicDefender-bp7my Satan has millions of people worshipping Mary.
Thanks Doug, for such a well-considered and polite argument. Being a Christian myself, who adheres to protestant theology, I would seek to answer your question in the negative. James 2:24 is well understood by protestants - as it is an argument from scripture - which we hold in high authority. The protestant Christian is thus encouraged to allow this passage to shape their theology - which it does of course do.
But first I need to explain your point on tradition, and the manner in which protestant churches typically approach interpretation. As there are many protestant churches I couldn't hope to speak for all of them. In the evangelical circles, which I am familiar, our intent is to perform 'Exegesis' of the scriptures - which is to say, we take as little of our contemporary traditions and read as little as possible into the text. As the sole aim of exegesis is to answer this question, "What is the author trying to say". Thus, the only tradition we ought to seek to apply is that of the first-century Christian Church, being of a predominantly Jewish, and Greko-Roman or early Middle Eastern culture.
Thus, the Protestant rejection of Roman Catholic tradition shouldn't be considered as progressive. On the contrary, it is "ultra-conservative", and "reformative". Protestants are thus seeking to capture the essence of the Christian Church, prior to Catholicism.
To answer James 2:24 directly, I want to firstly acknowledge that you make a good point. Faith doesn't exist without works - or to put it as James does, "Faith without works is dead". However, this acts not so as to de-elevate the principle of "Sola Fide", but rather to broaden our understanding of what faith is - and of what a 'life-lived in faith' ought to look like... See, your problem here is zeroing in on a particular verse without paying attention to the broader context. James 2:24 is essentially the concluding statement in a deposition that proceeded it - and so, to understand the verse you must also understand James' whole argument, who the argument is being had with, and how it is clarified.
When you read the whole passage, you should find that his argument is really being leveled against some particular mal-adaptations of "Sola Fide" thinking - which would be common in the Greek philosophical context - those being namely, "Stoicism" and "Cynicism". As the stoics of Greek philosophy valued intellectualism, and cynics valued non-interaction with our "human existence". Preferring to exist in the higher "intellectual" domain.
As Christians, James teaches that we ought not to live this way. We are to be effective agents for good, in this world. James draws reference to the Jewish patriarchs. To Abraham, the "Father of Faith". Pointing out that their ability to ACT didn't diminish their faith; but rather on the contrary, made their faith COMPLETE. Thus, what James is saying doesn't contradict "Sola Fide". James is NOT saying that we are SAVED by works. What he is saying, is that GOOD WORKS is the natural product of FAITH.
Just like a "Litmus Test", tells us whether the water is acidic or alkaline. Same is true of works and faith... Works don't cause faith, nor do they contribute to one's salvation. They are merely an indicator of the nature of the person. Similarly, Jesus points us to the example of a tree, in the Gospels. "The Good Tree produces Good Fruit".
Who is an early Christian that believes this interpretation of James 2?
@@BenjaminPitkin Being a Catholic church member has often been used as a source of pride with the feeling that am closer to God than someone regarded as a Protestant. But if only we can do a serious research then we will find out who exactly are we worship just like Jesus said a tree is well known by its fruits. When you don't know the abuse, and all kinds of molestation including the unwanted pregnancy by our nuns who end up coming out in the end. Then you start asking who actually ate these people. So from up to the pope what you see on the public is not the true colour of a follower of Jesus Christ. So I suggest we should try to know more Jesus than being just a member of a particular church with the man made doctrines that have nothing to do with Christ
As a recovering Evangelical, I have never been that comfortable with all doctrine and theology gleaned from Paul's epistles especially under the relative circumstances of the Reformers. Upon rereading James, I too was taken back by this verse and the book as a whole. Especially considering James was an eyewitness to Christ and was in the trenches with Him. The mystical synergy that goes into Salvation between faith and works is just that, mystical. I am more comfortable leaving it at that than following the relatively new doctrine of mutual exclusivity between works and faith which the Reformers seemed to be so caught up trying to reconcile as either/or.
Well said!
Oh no James 2:24 !!!! Let’s take that verse and isolate it. Let’s bypass the entire book of Romans that specifically discusses salvation and how people are in fact saved. And yes, James is a book on Orthopraxy not orthodoxy. And hermeneutically that does matter. That is not jumping through hoops or distorting a text, that’s being consistent with the author, theme and purpose. You cannot consistently look at the person and work of Christ spelled out in books with the intent of explaining salvation, and possibly come up with a faith that requires works. That means that grace would be merited and that would be the opposite of the word grace. The only grace offered to anyone is through belief in Jesus Christ alone . Any “Grace“ that is merited through sacraments or some sort of religious observation or participation, nullifies the free gift of grace offered by God and leaves everyone condemned. It is definitely by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. When I stand on judgment day, it will be because Christ saved me. I would never dare look at him and pretend I brought something to the table. And to have the audacity to believe that his life death resurrection and ascension, along with his intercession is not enough to provide me everything that I need for salvation, is the typical human response that always rejects God’s grace and pretends man has some inherent value or ability to please God on his own. Jesus said it was done, and it was done. There’s nothing I do.
Here's the problem you're ignoring. Let's say for the sake of argument that Bible said that we are saved "by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone." (It doesn't say this anywhere, but I'll play along.) I could simply interpret it as orthopraxy (like many Protestants take James 2:24), or metaphor (like many Protestants take John 6:54), or out of context (like many Protestants take 1 Peter 3:21), and claim that what the Bible REALLY teaches is that we are definitely "NOT saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone." The principle either works both ways or it is inconsistent.
@@DouglasBeaumont But yes it does teach that. It absolutely does teach that people are saved by grace through faith and not by works. Yes it in fact does teach that. Just like you used to be a protestant, I used to be a Catholic. I remember sitting constantly hearing about all the things we had to do to earn our salvation. And then ironically I was saved freely by his grace. Born again and changed forever. The idea that we participate in our salvation through works that provide us with grace is heretical. I’ve listened to tons of Catholic apologists rip scriptures from anywhere they want. There is no way to pretend that works and Grace go together. I think it’s funny that you presume that protestants are the ones that are taking it out of context. Catholics latch on to one verse and it is all of a sudden in context. But you can take an entire book of Romans and ignore it completely for that one solid verse in James. That’s OK my man. But I guarantee you that we will both stand before God and I will not be going to purgatory. I will be walking into heaven because of the righteousness of Christ which was provided freely. Not because of some pretend righteousness of my own that I add to the equation. And nor will I need my unrighteousness burned away, because my debt was paid at Calvary completely. We will see which one is trusting in Christ alone.
When those eyes close of yours, it won’t be how many masses you attended, how many sacraments you participated in, if you were baptized, it will be did you trust in him alone. And if not, you’ll wish there was a Purgatory.
I feel strongly about it because I was lost and there was nothing Catholicism was offering but works. And even after all those works, no promise or guarantee of heaven like the Bible promises. Only some fearful chance I might end up in a pretend purgatory where someone else wished me out or I spent enough time where my unrighteousness was finally burned up.But thanks be to God who gives me the victory through Jesus Christ my Lord! I will bank on grace alone by faith alone in Christ alone every single time. And the reason I’ll be OK is because “I’m not ashamed of the gospel because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes,; first for the Jew and then for the gentile. Because in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed. A righteousness that comes by faith from first to last”. In 10,000 years I’ll still be celebrating my savior! And you will remain separated from him forever because you believed somehow or someway you were going to pay off your debt. And God will let you do that but it will not be in purgatory.
@@peterjory7531 greetings Peter! If you care to understand the deeper position of the Catholic understanding of “merit” below Trent Horn describe the 3 types of merit Catholics use, Strict, Condign, and Congruent at min 19.00. I understand you do not!!! I really do…But we do. So in all due respect if you wish to have a fruitful civil conversation with a Catholic about this subject these three levels of Merit must be considered. Otherwise, it will be like trying to explain the camel through the eye of the needle to a 4 year old without analogies.
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@@peterjory7531 if your faith is not strong enough to inspire you to be baptised in the name of the Holy Trinity or to repent of your sins, I am afraid that is not too strong ... But if we are saved just by faith alone, given that the grace of God is infinitely, then, nobody is in hell!
@@antoniorangel8277 Speak better English. Seriously, I’m not sure exactly what you said. I believe real faith leads to repentance and obedience in baptism. I’m not sure what you meant at all
I was raised Catholic but now I simply consider myself Christian as in Christ follower. It’s been my experience that we as a church have become so consumed with trying to prove ourselves or our denomination to be correct that we easily lose sight of our Lord. We act like we know the hearts of people but in reality we are just judging them outwardly by their denomination. We sound like the Sadducees & Pharisees as they judged Christ. If Jesus walked the earth in the flesh today as he did years ago we the church would likely persecute and “cancel” him. Like the Jews of his day we’d believe that we hold the truth and would deny Christ. Isn’t this what we did in the garden of Eden and continue to do today? We are so obsessed with identifying people by their works and their denomination. We forget that there are snakes within our churches. If Satan believes and disguises himself as an angel of light; he recites the scriptures, how do you discern the fruit? Is it by denomination? Is by works? Is it by faith declaration? Is it not discernment through the Holy Spirit that reveals this? While I love all my brothers and sisters in Christ, as a church we often missed the mark. When Jesus said that the gates of Hades would not prevail against “My church”, was he talking about a specific denomination or was it anyone who is called, believes and does His will? Have you ever considered what’s behind the divide among Christian denominations (the church) and
how yet they still lead to Jesus? Churches love to claim that it’s their church Jesus was referring to because we are prideful. This is why we are saved through grace alone. We love to take credit for things rather than give God the glory. So let’s put down our pride & stop murdering our brothers and sisters in our hearts.
You seem to think you speak for everyone. Catholics have never lost sight of Jesus. He founded our Church, and protected it with the Holy Spirit. He promised the Apostles (and us) that He would be with His Church until the end of time.
He gave St. Peter (the first Catholic pope) the keys to the kingdom of Heaven, and with that the promise that whatever St. Peter (or his successors) bound on Earth would be bound in Heaven, and whatever he loosed on Earth would be loosed in Heaven.
THAT is the authority of God to accurately and truthfully be able to interpret the Bible, to decide what is the truth and what isn't the truth. It is the authority to forgive sins, the authority to change ordinary bread and wine into the body and blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus in the Eucharist.
It's the authority to settle disputes regarding doctrinal issues. But most importantly, it is the authority to know that whatever the Catholic Church teaches as doctrine cannot be in error.
If you were actually, truly, a practicing Catholic, you wouldn't have ever left His Church or the Eucharist, or the rest of the sacraments in favor of wandering alone in the desert. It is true; Catholicism is not easy. It's downright hard to be a Catholic. BUT that is exactly what Jesus wanted for us; to be united as one, as He and the Father are one. Those who have left Jesus' Church are no longer part of that unity in the body of Christ. Jesus is the head of the Church. We are the body. United as one. Not split off into tens of thousands of Protestant (protesting) denominations, each believing whatever they want.
Protestantism is easy. Anyone can invent their own denomination. All it takes is an empty room and some folding chairs, and their own interpretation of the Bible. They don't need any permission from anyone, and they have NO authority from God to do so.
We are not Protestant. We are Born Again by Faith in Jesus Christ and his finished work on the cross. Except a man be Born Again he cannot see the kingdom of God. Every verse you refer to is without proper context. Churches don't save souls .
The label Protestant came about as a reaction to the blasphemies, corruption and false teachings of the catholic hegemony. Any true believer should still be in variance to the Vatican, but not make a big stink about it. All we need to do is to present the truth and Let the Lord take care of the rest. In truth we do not need any labels other than born again or not.
James 2 tales an account from Genesis 22 to defend his writings. However Abraham had already been declared Justified by God back in Genesis 15. So James is a condemnation of Antinomianism. Abraham declared justified in Genesis 15 but his faith was vindicated/verified by his obedience in Genesis 22
Therefore; Sola Fide is false. Deeds and faith go hand in hand
The 2 Solas, the church that was since Christ's earthly presence, and the presence of Christ in the Eucharist, have sent me into the journey in the last few months. Pretty basic facts I feel Protestantism is just flat out wrong about.
You can’t take those verses out of context..
Another text, though frequently overlooked and dismissed, is John 21: 25. The apostle John specifically says that the written gospel is “insufficient” to tell us everything about Jesus. He adds that Jesus did many other things that were never written down. 🤔 So how can “Sola Scriptura” be true when an inspired writer of a gospel (St. John the Beloved) says it is not true? 😊
You cannot and should not base any argument on any single verse
A single verse of the Bible is God's words. How dare you say we cannot base it on God's Words.
@@frankielee5623 saint peter himself tells us that some things in the scriptures are “hard to understand.” I’m Christian but you CANNOT base something off of a single line of scripture. Imagine if I wanted to justify abortion and I used psalms 137:9 “blessed is he who throws your infants against the rocks.” If I tried to justify baby murder with that single verse you’d call me a lunatic or a moron. And you’d be right to do that. Basing something off of just a single verse is awful theology
"I can do all things through a single verse taken out of context."
First, what do you mean by protestant? What exactly is your definition of that word? Was the thief on the cross next to Jesus a protestant? And, where were his works shown to allow him into paradise on that day, as Jesus promised? Were all first century Christians protestants, or Roman Catholics? That is, before all of the Christian sayings were invented, like Sola fide, etal? Or, did the first century Christians simply follow what the scriptures said?
Protestants do it all the time
I came across an interesting commentary about James 2:24 and it start out with the question: "How can you believe in salvation alone by faith when James 2:24 seems to say that salvation is not by faith alone?"
James 2:24 says: "You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone." At first glance this verse seems to contradict the rest of the Bible which says we are saved by grace though faith. How can Protestants claim that salvation is by "faith alone" when this verse exists? Context is Key.
When James says we are "justified" by works he is using the word "justified" to mean "proven" or "demonstrated." This is a different usage of the word that Paul employs in Romans. When Paul says we are justified by faith in Romans 3:28 he is using the word "justified" to indicate that we are "declared righteous before God." Reading the entirety of Romans 3 and the entirety of James 2 helps clarify to what the authors are referring.
James 2:24 is part of a larger discussion of how people demonstrate their spiritual transformation by their actions. "Show me your faith apart from your works and I will show you my faith by my works." (James 2:18). Having faith with no accompanying work is useless (James 2:20). "So also faith by itself, if it does not have work is dead." (James 2:17). The NIV renders James 2:24 this way: "You see that a person is righteous by what they do and not by faith alone." The NLT says; "So you see, we are shown to be right with God by what we do, and not by faith alone." James is making the point that the proof of our faith is our actions. We are declared right by God through faith, and the fact that we have been made right with him is demonstrated by our actions.
2 Corinthians 5:17 says; "Therefore if anyone is new in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away, behold the new has come." Salvation results in a changed life. We are saved by grace through faith alone - - - we are not saved by works (Ephesians 2:8-9; Galatians 2:16; Acts 16:31); however, true faith will always be accompanied by works, by obedience to Christ (Ephesians 2:10). And this is the point James is making.
It's the same word here as in St. Paul.
You either did not watch or did not understand the video. I granted - more than once - that Protestants could apply a theological interpretation to these verses that would not contradixt their theology. But that is exactly the problem for Sola Scriptura Protestants. If a direct contradiction can be theologies away, then the real authority is the interpreters theology. This, ironically, is exactly what Sola Scriptura is against. Feel free to try again!
Nah Doug, I did watch the video to the end. And by the way, I am not a Protestant. No label. I just threw this commentary in to get a reaction from you. The problem that many other Christian denominations sees in the Roman Catholic Theology is it's self-proclamation of being the ONLY one that correctly interprets the Bible and furthermore, Roman Catholic formulation of its doctrine of theology derived from its own interpretation of the Bible, are declared true and correct, and therefore, anyone who do not accept it is anathema to them. After all the Council of Trent was meant exactly for that, to declare the Roman Catholic Church the true church founded by the Lord Jesus Christ. Mind you, it's self-declaration.
And I don't need to try again Doug you can wallow in your self-belief that you belong to the true Church founded by the Lord Jesus Christ and be puffed-up into believing that you are a "defender of the faith" which is how most Catholics fancy themselves nowadays, and totally ignore the precedence of Scriptures over man's doctrine and really believe that the Roman Catholic is "shoulder to shoulder" with the Bible and to declare that's why Catholics do not rely on Scriptures alone and proud of it.
Let me put it in simple terms Doug for you to understand. The Roman Catholic says that the Bible is it's sole source of truth, interprets it and formulate its doctrine, then says; " well now, I am equal with you." Reminds me of someone who said; "I will be like the Most High." So you see Doug, your fate is in your faith.
Simple solution,
Justification by works is how we are known by others to be authentic
Christians, and does not justify us before God.
Justification by faith is how we have peace with God in our conscious, and does not justify us before God.
Justification by the blood of Christ is what justifies us before God which Paul says in Romans 3:24 being therefor Justified freely by his grace. The word "freely" is the same word translated "without a cause" in Ps 39:6 and John 15:25 So there is no cause in us that justfies us before God.
If only God had inspired James to actually write that instead of what he did inspire him to write.
I think Martin Luther explained it well when he said that we are saved by faith and not by works, but true saving faith will inevitably produce good works.
Simple. Nice explanation. Sola scriptura shoots itself in the foot. Good stuff. Subscribed. Thank you.
If you thinks so I don't think you understand than what that means
@@ronaldfelix1000 No no, it really does shoot itself in the foot
@@ronaldfelix1000 I'm Catholic period
I don't like any denominations. Christian have to read the bible and obey it. They also have to know the Lord. People can't stay in sin, we have to obey the Lord. I've always knew I did not like denomination. Your denomination can't save you, neither can being baptized if you live like the devil.
Thank you for showing the book "5 views on justification". I ordered my copy just now. It just so happens that I was looking for just a book. -Thanks!
You missed the most important part of the verse in James 2:24, “You see THEN that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only”. I would tell you to read the context but you already made an entirety misled video so I’ll just leave this here, and if you read this, read the context of the verse.
Ill give the context for whoever wants to listen: In James 2:21-23 it says, ”Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God.“ And verse 24, “”You see THEN that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.“ You see here James was clearly using Abraham as an example, saying that pure faith/belief wasn’t ENOUGH if it wasn’t carried out. This is not an all encompassing verse to divide between denominations or religion or whatever! This is also NOT bringing up the precedence of Sola-scriptura or Sola-fide. If you have any faith, you will belief the bible, and will CARRY OUT the bible if you believe. One without the other is incomplete, in other words DEAD.
"Faith alone" as a catch phrase just seems way too simplistic to cover the message of the NT. Paul makes it abundantly clear that we are not to carry a fruitless faith, and that we are to "put on the new man."
Yes we are saved by Jesus Christ, but we must respond, and do so diligently and persistently - persevering until the end. We must never take our salvation for granted thereby turning Saving Grace into cheap Grace. We must recognize our responsibility.
Catholics are not working their way to Heaven apart from faith, but the language of faith alone is not sufficient. Seems the truth is somewhere in between.
Our cooperation is necessary.
The other things that should bother "sola fide" believers is that 1. Paul wasn't writing to the whole church, but just to local churches, whereas James is a "catholic" epistle, written to the whole church. 2. Paul's letters are specifically singled out as "hard to be understood" by Peter in 2 Peter 3:16, and he continues that people will twist Paul's letters "to their own destruction".
This is a very good and well documented and very explained video
We need much more people who are well versed in the world to direct the majority
@@joycegreer9391 and you proceeded to make no actual refutes along the way...I mean you could've fooled me
@@joycegreer9391 again
If it's wrong I'm expecting a refute
Like that's how an "argument" works 🤣🤣
You just saying "oh WelL It'S wROng" isn't an argument to displace anything stated hence the point of asking for your refute
Just calling someone wrong is not a good way to come to a proper understanding of our points of view and do show our best way of loving others as Christ would have wanted
Read 1 peter 3v21 about baptism in its context. Read John 6 and see the context. The verses Doug quotes are out of context. The message of the bible revolves around the death and resurrection of Christ. Believe this and that is food for eternal life, not physical food. Jesus said what goes int the mouth goes out the draught. James is just saying if you believe Jesus rose from the dead you will do good rather than evil automatically. The context of what James says is in connection with Rahab believing in the God of Israel, and automatically she received the spies, as a direct result of what she believed.
@@rsk5660 how does 1 peter 3:21 actually change anything?
Also no one said anything about the Bible saying anything else besides believing in Christ but you're missing what Christ said you would do if you believe in him
Even the Ethiopian minister was baptized by Phillip when he converted add were many others so I'm very confused what was out of context in this video
Can you be more specific because I'd truly dislike if you're just trying to pick and choose verses
Side note Jesus uses the Literal gnaw when talking about his body being the bread of life and also uses it again during the last supper when telling the disciples to do it in his name and memory of him
@@ghosttheprogram6973 Sometimes when working for a firm, a worker has to wear a uniform. The uniform shows that the worker works for that firm. He is first told that he is employed, then he puts on the uniform. "when you were baptised you put on Christ". When Abraham was circumcised, it was because God asked him to. He was already a friend of God. Circumcision did not bring him into relationship with God. It symbolises the relastionship. Baptism symbolises the relationship we have been brought into when we first believed in Jesus death and resurrection. Cornelius received the holy spirit and was in a relationship with God before he was baptised. A birth certificate says you were born on such a date, but it is not your birth. I'm making a difference between symbols and the real thing. So, in 1 Peter the word figure is used, which could be an indication of figurative language rather than literal. In John 6 Jesus says these things are spiritual. So, he is talking about eating his flesh and drinking his blood in a spiritual way rather than literally. So, at the first supper, the Lord was there in his literal body, and said about the bread, this is my body. I think he was speaking symbolically.
When David's friends came back with water from the well at Bethlehem, (1 Samuel 23v17) David would not drink it and said "is not this the blood of them that went in jeopardy of their lives" The water symbolised that the men had risked their lives to get it. The water was not literally the men's blood. Would it not be ridiculous to think the water was literally blood. By knowing these old testament stories, we are then equipped to understand Jesus.
To gnaw, just like drink or any other literal word can be understood metaphorically. Jesus does not have to say, this is symbolic of my blood. It is assumed we are to be using our common sense. David did not have to say the water is symbolic of the mens blood, you are supposed to work it out. God does not treat us like toddlers.
I was not saying we should not get baptised, I was saying it is symbolic. Hope this is clearer.
Works that can be seen of men can justify your faith before men. But your works do not justify you before God.
Why did Jesus speak of separating the sheep and goats? Those who fed the hungry, ... and those who didn't?
1. You must not base your theology on one verse and should look at the whole of Scripture to find out what God’s word says and means.
2. When James says “You See” that means that ALL of the verses prior of him making his point are relevant to what he is saying. When we actually read those previous verses it defines what he means by that statement. He makes the point that if we have true salvific faith then works will follow. That’s in line with what Paul says in Ephesians 2:8-9 so therefore in the bigger context this is what James is saying also UNLESS you want to claim Gods word is contradictory. God forbid.
Cults and Bible reading/understanding errors begin when taking a scripture verse alone and basing a belief system on what that verse says (ie “I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me”). James and Paul arrive at the same conclusion using different examples. Salvation is found only in and through Jesus our messiah.
Luther should have heeded your warning!
Hear, hear!
Well said. One simple argument I give to protestants is that if Martin Luther was inspired by the Holy Spirit to start a new church then why are not our protestant brothers and sisters all lutheran. That is the question was he inspired or was it his pride and arrogance that made him create a schism .
The bible created the church, not Luther
@James Monroe He didn't start my faith or play any role in why I assemble with other believers (literally "church")
Please read scripture in the context of the verses before and after. James 2:24 does not imply or infer what you are stating. What it actually states is that faith, like the reference above to Abraham, has a corresponding action. A corresponding action is an action that attest to the faith that you confess to having. Abraham' corresponding action to God's request for him to sacrifice his son was based upon the promise that God stated that in Isaac shall thy seed be. Meaning, that for God, to fulfill His promise to Abraham, He (God) would have to raise Isaac from the dead. Abraham's work was his obedience to sacrifice his son. This is not anti-protestant in the least.
Salvation is not dependent upon what a person believes about that verse. Salvation is dependent on your belief about knowing you're a sinner and Jesus taking your punishment.
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. - Romans 10:9
Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.” - John 3:3
Why does the Trinity not appear in the Bible?peace///
@@lufhopespeacefully2037 The word Trinity does not appear but the biblical trinity does 1 John 5 : 7
There are three that bare witness in heaven The father , the word ( SON ) and the Holy Ghost . these three are one ;
@@donaldcooley897 ,hi don. ,ty for replying., as far as i know trinity is an old worshipping for some an egyptians who have worshipped ezice,authorice&hurce ,on the hill of that,the church hijacked the notion&also The concept of a trinity predates the Bible.. The much older Hindu Vedas had a holy trinity.Called the trimurti, it was Brahma the creator, Vishnu the preserver, and Shiva the destroyer, three individual deities that are also a single deity.
jesus is the main central figure of bible,did not agree with me we have find a bible with his name,where does jesus talked about trinity,have a good one.
@@lufhopespeacefully2037 The scriptures
gives us the answers . I have given you the scripture that explains the three in one . which is 1 John 5 : 7 ; that was in 90AD
and in John 14 : 7 - 26 ; John 12 : 44- 45 ;
The Father son and the Holy spirit are three
distinct persons . One in essence and three
in person . The scriptures speak of the father God in Phi. 1: 2 . and Jesus is God
Titus 2 : 13 ; and the Holy spirit as God in
Acts 5 : 3 - 4 ; God Bless .
@@donaldcooley897 ,it is very,very weird that there is no such bible with the name of jesus,have ya blown away of that,,In the Quran, God forgave Adam and Eve for their sins, and furthermore, God raised Jesus to heaven before his crucifixion, but in the Bible, Jesus was crucified for a sin he did not commit, isn't that your so-called God? You have an alternative plan instead of shedding the blood of innocent people. How can you guarantee that He will have mercy on you, when He does not have mercy on His only son? So the question should be asked: Whichever is more merciful to Jesus, the Qur’an, or bible.peace.
It wasn't the James passage that changed my understanding that Sola fide was incorrect but it was the John 15 passage that our Lord Jesus Christ talked about bearing fruit.
If Sola fide is correct then how can we bear fruit?
The passage in Hebrews which talks about without holiness no man can see the Lord.
How is it possible without works to achieve holiness?
Hi Lonely Bookshelf, I think it would be impossible to achieve holiness with works because then you would be giving value to your own efforts. Question; are you holy because you feel holy within yourself or is the because you have become free from evil desires? I think the more I am able to die to self and live with the mind and heart of Christ the more i am able to be holy (sadly not there yet).
There is not holiness in Catholicism !!!
First is believe in Jesus' gospel that
By grace we can be saved, READ CAREFULLY following verses and TEPENTYOUR CORRUPTION :
"But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God, Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."
Catholics blindly follow false teaching and take out of context verses to "prove" their works for salvation.
If someone works for salvation and DID NOT OBEY or do not believe in the word of God and THE SON OF GOD WILL PERISH !!!
Humble yourself before Christ and confess your sins to receive remmision of sins and be lead by the Holy Spirit not by corrupted people
who do not know God.
Repent !!!
A fruit comes from works being practiced. The book of Acts means to do works. Some examples would be fasting, prayer, Mercy, compassion and forgiveness just to name a few. It takes energy and effort to accomplish these things and that certainly is a good work that produces good fruit. The Protestant will make you believe that only the clergy can do good works such as the Great Commission an evangelism. They're all kinds of good works simply put doing practicing and obeying the will of God produces good fruits and that again is good works.
We bear fruit by loving others...
I mean, this is just a massive misunderstanding of sola fide. Protestant theology demands that bearing fruits is a necessary consequence of faith
You hit it on the head at the 6:00 mark. They say Bible alone, but it’s not. It’s their interpretations passed on by tradition, similar to Catholics, except ours are founded by church fathers who knew the apostles directly, rather than people 1600 years later.
There you go!
Christians follow the teachings of Christ, the word of God who tell us "faith comes from hearing and hearing by the word of God". The only written word of God we have is the bible. Why would one rely on people that came after Christ and the apostles when we have their word. Catholics are free to follow early writings, Christians will stick with God's word.
@@sammygomes7381 both Catholics and Christians prioritize the Bible as the main teaching. But all of us use the Bible plus interpretation since the Bible is not clear on everything, I rather have the interpretations of the earliest church fathers than protestants 2000 years later.
@@nicoparisi8036 Is a protestant one that protests the Catholic church?