PAM-2: Argentina's Improved 9mm Grease Gun
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The Argentine factory FMAP-DGFM was first set up to produce a copy of the Colt 1911, and in 1954 they began production of the PAM-1 (after demonstration of the first prototype in 1950). The PAM-1 was a copy of the American M3A1 "Grease Gun" chambered for 9x19mm Parabellum. Production ran until 1961, at which point the factory switched to production of the new FAL rifle for Argentine forces. By that time, about 33,000 had been produced.
Almost as soon as production ceased a process of conversion and upgrade began, creating the PAM-2. This involved adding a grip safety lever to the back of the magazine well. This prevented the gun from being cocked or fired, and it was most likely done to prevent cases of the guns firing when dropped. About half of the total production was converted to the new configuration, and a second small batch of about 1,100 PAM-2s were manufactured to this pattern in 1969. Most of the examples outside Argentina are PAM-2 conversions, as they were captured by British forces in the Falklands.
By the 1970s, the PM-3 had been officially replaced with the PAM-3, better known as the FMK submachine gun. The Grease Guns remained in service alongside the FMKs until the 1990s, however.
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Underrated New Vegas gun.
Yes now weld the stock closed
So that's where Fallout NV got their 9mm grease gun
Me: ha! Silly game dev doesn't know what guns are lol.
Argentina: hold my beer.
Ave, true to Caesar
Yeah my first throught
Had no idea this existed, now I can finally feel comfortable using the 9mm SMG in Fallout New Vegas without constantly wondering why the Grease Gun in their universe isn’t chambered in .45 ACP.
It should be noted: most of those guns are in 9mm because they were manufactured post-war by the Gun Runners, and are in 9mm because they already had the tooling to produce 9mm ammo to sell alongside them. The Vance's Gun unique is the only pre-war 9mm submachine gun in the game.
I do the same thing in other games. If it didn’t exist in the real world, or was a prototype not used in combat, it just rubs me the wrong way.
There was also a 9mm conversion kit for Grease Guns sold in the US IRL and they were not totally uncommon I think
People think too hard about "realism" for fallout guns instead of game balance for some reason, the answer to this question is a lot more obvious. It's in 9mm because .45 wasn't a base game ammo (same reason this machine is in .308 and not .30-06) and 9mm filled out an early game balance position. Plus fallout is a fictional retro futuristic sci-fi in an alternative timeline so shit can be wildly different, "only real weapons should exist in fallout" people really limit the fun they can have in these games. It's a wacky sci-fi sandbox with plasma casters and laser shotguns, a 9mm grease gun isn't that out there.
The 9mm M3 was also supplied to the French, Belgian, Dutch, Italian and Norwegian resistance groups so that captured German ammo could be used thus reducing the need for .45 ACP ammo resupply drops from the OSS and the SOE
From the British point of view. At the end of hostilities, we found a few of these abandoned around Stanley. Soo with sone liberated ammo, we proceeded to check them out. They are quite handy but a bit heavy for a 9mm. The rate of fire is quite slow. Nobwonder using a bolt weighted for a •45 ACP round. Although we only test fired them. They seemed quite reliable and not prone to stoppages. Even in their dirty condition. Easy to use and strip. Thanks for making this interesting video about this weapon.
were you able to load the magazine by hand??? a real .45 grease gun mag has a very stiff spring,and the wire stock has a part welded on it so a soldier could load the mag,as you cant load by hand more than 8-10 rounds without the loader..
Hello, did you participate in the 1982 war?
Hey, two things. Is that personal experience about having found and firing them? and second, i heard from argentinian air force men that the pam was prone to firing on its own
Chatarra de la industria 🇦🇷
Given it's almost as heavy as an M3A1 (almost 8 lbs), has about the same ROF, (450 RPMs), and is in 9x19mm, I can only imagine that this thing is almost "Hollywood action hero" levels of controllable.
I bet you're right. It looks "action movie controllable " especially with such a heavy weight to it and considering the low recoil of 9mm. The bolt probably barely taps the back of the receiver firing because it's so heavy
I wonder if some heavy rubber bands could be used to hold the grip safety down allowing one to leap sideways through the air firing one in each hand in glorious slow-motion.
What's interesting is I remember at least some websites that talk about these PAM guns state they have almost double the firerate at 850 RPM, but McCollum doesn't mention or hint at that in this video. So maybe you're right? IDK.
The M3 is already ridiculously controllable. I can't imagine how much better this would be.
If I had to choose between this "light" 8 lbs grease gun or the 6 lbs C1 Sterling SMG with no grip-safety... I'm going with the C1.
Also C1 SMG was good for occasional lobbed-in fun during house clearing.
What can i say, im a simple boludo, i see an Argentina flag and i come running to see the video! Thanks Ian! 😊
2 boludos now... jajaja!
@@E91ex22 Make it three!
3... lastima que la haya tenido que ir a ver a Inglaterra.
Somos 4 🇦🇷💪🏻🥟
somos 5 che
Some are still in use with the police units assigned to the national bank.
When asked why they had such old guns I got told that some of the new ones they got jammed some times.
These are simple, reliable and they've never had a situation that 9mm can't solve.
I was a a very junior officer in a Transport Company of a Logistics Support Batallion in the 70´s . We had around 100 PAM 2 and hundreds of magazines . Half of them were out of service. I was very frustrated because of this. One day when I was on Guard Duty I decided to do something about this and brought all the magazines to the Guard House. I spent all nigth hammering the magazine lips as they were either too closed or too opened. It really worked . I tested all the magazines the next morning and they all worked fine. I knew I had done someboy else´s job but enjoyed my non regulation maintnence initiative.
In '94 we still had .45 grease guns as part of the small arms for M-88 armored recovery vehicles the US. They didn't get traded in for M4s until the oughts.
Fired the M3A1 at Ft Knox in 1976 when I went through Armor School there with the Marine Corps. Fun weapon the shoot.
Got a cool picture of my grandpa with a grease gun in Vietnam. Not sure if the M3 or m3a1 though.
@@John-mf6kyYou probably know the obvious way to tell the difference between an M3 and an M3A1; that being the former having a prominent lever-style charging handle, but in case that side of the gun isn't visible in the picture, check if the other side is visible. If it's an M3, there will be a prominent oiler bottle mounted to the side of the gun near the rail the stock slides into. If it's an M3A1, this bottle will instead be mounted integrally to the bottom of the pistol grip. Might have to break out the magnifying glass to tell, but these features should make the gun identifiable from pretty much any angle.
Hello Ian. Pleasant surprise to see the notification about an Argentine weapon. If you could ever visit the Museo de Armas de la Nación in Buenos Aires, I assure you that you would have material for several videos. From the SMG Halcón series, the Ballester Rigaud/Molina weapons, the innovative MEMS submachine gun, the more than curious Criollo rifle, the FARA 83 assault rifle among other interesting pieces
Hace rato quee lo jodo para que haga review de la Halcón63 y del Beretta/Garand con cargador ( no me acuerdo el nombre ahora)😂😂
@@fortnex9972 BM59
que lindo seria verlo analizar el FARA 83
@@-vrangrr21-32 Habrá alguno en USA. Este loco es capaz de conseguir uno🤭👍🇦🇷
Got my support! I'd love to see and learn about those. Ian get to do some traveling too.
I love how ian pronounces spanish words. Its amazing that he takes a look at our firearms, i get to learn a lot from this. Muchas gracias ian papá
Es muy gracioso escucharlo intentar castellano, le cuesta más que el francés y el finlandés. En cuanto a aprender desde este video.. no tanto, básicamente Ian no tiene idea sobre las PAM.
@@me.ne.frego. bueno, hizo una breve introducción del PAM para cualquiera que no lo conoce, después lo revisó detalladamente su funcionamiento sus diferencias con el original, ya de hablar de su historia operacional es para otro video.
Si yo también noté que pronuncia muy bien para ser yankee 😅
AK jesus: Grease gun on steroids
Gun jesus: Grease gun but foreign
You mean AK daddy?
Now we got "Grease gun from AK Jesus himself to "Improved 9mm Grease gun" from Gun Jesus in a single day.
@@lmeffersl You're right, brain fart
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@@lmeffersl🤦🏻♂️
That seam on the pistol grip is a killer !
how is that even useable- I assume the very first thing you do is make a backstrap out of a leather belt or a wood block with a slot in it
@@confuseatronica I'm guessing "gloves" was the answer more often than not.
@@confuseatronica Gloves, or just "deal with it".
Read up on the Gulf War 1991. M1911 pistols (due to M9 delays) and M3 Grease Guns (M4s not adopted until 1994) both saw service with American Armored units as crew backup weapons.
Ian talking about Argentinian firearms
Another CORONACIÓN DE GLORIA
Rest in Peace to all the brave men and women that fought and died in the Malvinas War, both Argentinian and British
"Klaus, grab that weird gun that killed Hans. We're going to Argentina!"
huh?The winning powers where the first to invite germans..... Too much History Channel education there.
"And what about Werner?"
"Nah, he'll be alright. The americans will take him after the war and form NASA."
"Forget the MP40, MP41 and STG. They will not suspect with this weird american gun".
Hahaha
-"Ves esa cobertura"
-"Si"
-"Abrela"
-"Ahora puedes matar"
-"Cierrala"
- "Ahora no puedes jajaja"
Fury?
Grettings from Argentine Patagonia. Excelent video but there is a mistake FMAP and DGFM is not the same name in 2 different abbreviations in two different languages:
FMAP: Fábrica Militar de Armas Portátiles
DGFM: Dirección General de Fabricaciones Militares
DGFM is/was a conglomerate of factories (Gun powder, small arms, artillery pieces, etc.) and FMAP was only one of the factories.
Gracias por la aclaración.😊
Beat me to it! Saludos paisano!
@@davidbowman2716 de nada!
@@silviomiano7586 Saludos!
@@silviomiano7586 Saludos desde la helada Patagonia
Awesome video Ian, my grandpa served in the Colimba (aka obligatory military service) somewhere around the 60s and was on armory duties. He always told me as a kid how he would take his personal vehicle (Auto Union, aka 1960s Argentinian Audi corp) off base with the trunk loaded with PAMs and bullets while the CO would take an issued vehicle (I know that's nuts everywhere in the world taking property of the military alone is a nono but I guess that's how they rolled) and they would hit the range.
Very cool, I've never had the luck to see one that close.
PS: a little fun fact, as far as the safety goes, I think they where still training on PAM1's caused he said the infantry soldiers used to drop them onto the ground for sh*ts & giggles to get a negligent discharge and the COs would deservingly punish the whole battalion with running a couple laps
In 2005 I was an exchange student in Argentina. There was an ATM in the lobby and it was being serviced. There were 2 armed guards with FMKs standing by. You should get one of those :-)
an atm for your lobby with 2 armed guards? yeah it'd be nice i guess
@@slamacreepathe guards were guarding the ATM as it was being serviced. Meaning they were taking/adding cash. Plus it was the lobby of a public university. They were not guarding the lobby…
Plus, I meant he should get an FMK for the channel.
@@BYLRPhil FMK3?
They should get three different Argentine guns and ask FMK
Now they use MP5s... they are security agents of the companies that move money around. We still use a lot of cash so its normal to see them guarding stores and banks. Having seen some heist movies, I tend to not get near them :P
New definition of using “my Pam Spray.”
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Around one thousand M3 submachine guns in caliber 9 mm Parabellum were built by Guide Lamp. These original 9 mm guns, identified by the markings U.S. 9 mm S.M.G. on the left side of the magazine well (without any model designation, such as M3), were delivered to the OSS in 1944. The 9mm M3 was also supplied to the French, Belgian, Dutch, Italian and Norwegian resistance groups so that captured German ammo could be used thus reducing the need for .45 ACP ammo resupply drops from the OSS and the SOE.
Interesting! This means that the Heavy Water sabotage guys (in Rjukan, Norway) almost certainly carried that particular version with them on the action and when they later skied across Norway to Sweden to escape after they (to their own great surprise!) got away without firing a single shot.
As some already commented, DGFM (Dirección General de Fabricaciones Militares) is a state owned enterprise that manufacted different types of military equipment. FMAP (Fábrica Militar de Armas Portátiles) is the factory involved in small arms and munitions (others produced explosives, aircrafts, etc.). Ian mentions Rosario, my home town, and I think I know the place where this were manufactured. If I'm right, now it's the Police Headquarters.
My father worked for a company that provided artilley fuzes to another factory that is still near Rosario. Sadly most of the military industry we had was dismantled in the 90s and only a small part is alive. My father says that they produced almost everything, from lipstick cases to train parts.
Great video!
Algunos de los subtes de baires están hechos ahí....
@@SantiagoAriasEskapa estaban.... la linea C y despues algunos de la B vieja
Las viejas FM Browning Hi-Power rosarinas fueron las mejores de todas y las más preciadas hasta hoy. Lo que hizo el gobierno de Menem con la industria de defensa nacional fué terrible, desde abandonar la producción de armas portátiles hasta cancelar al caza furtivo argentino SAIA-90 y al misil Cóndor-2. Nos dejó en bolas bajo pedido explícito de EEUU y el Reino Unido, un desastre.
>I wake up
>There is another Coronacion de Gloria
If I had to describe the sound… it’s somewhere between a pogo stick and pez dispenser.
your spanish accent is phenomenal
Theres no need to do a foreign accent when pronouncing these things. why is he doing this
@jameswarner8038 this is entirely a matter of personal preference and its actually considered respectful to try and pronounce something correctly instead of bastardizing it in your own language. If hes doing a good job on it all the more power to him
@@jameswarner8038 Its fine. chill.
@@jameswarner8038 as a native Spanish speaker I’d rather see someone try than hear someone just say it the white bitch way. Like “tortilla” I’m sure you don’t pronounce the L’s correct?
@@jameswarner8038 I don't think Ian is trying to reproduce a whole accent. But he usually tries to do his best to get the pronounciation of things as close as possible.
As Argentina person , the PAM is still used in the GAD ( grupo de ayuda Departamental in English Departamental assist government) they specialy in giving the local police the extra fire power and in hostage situations, because police use 9mm Bersa and 12gauge . But sadly the Pam is getting replace with the Uzi and mp5 or even UMP 45. Still they can use it.
Hope it helps and btw awesome apache
Posta que el GAD usa la PAM todavía?
Es un arma de chapa del año 40 jaja cómo la estiramos.
Imaginate usarla sin guantes, esas uniones te rompen las manos
@@phrodendekia el GAD de zona norte pilar todavía las usan , cuando fue el atracó al banco provincia algunos las tenían todavía pero modificadas con chasis de actualización , el resto usaba mp5
Dónde viste una UMP en Argentina?? Los únicos subfusiles que quedan en servicio son viejos FMK-3, UZI en muy baja cantidad y algunas MP-5 en manos de Prefectura y diversos grupos especiales, las Halcón, MEMS y Sterling desaparecieron también, la última que ví era una de las de supresor incorporado y en manos de delincuentes. Me cuesta mucho creer que el GAD (o cualquier otro grupo actual) tenga en dotación PAM, jamás ví ni supe de nadie que aún tenga PAM operacionales.
@@phrodendekiaigual sigue siendo útil, hay unas fuerzas especiales medio chinas q todavía usan las Grease Gun con ópticas y silenciadores
@@me.ne.frego.cagate de risa, hace unas semanas en el banco nación de ciudad universitaria en Córdoba.un policía de camión de valores tenía una halcón con los famosísimos 2 gatillos.
My grandfather is from argentina, he used one of those way back when he did his military service there. No, he wasn't in the falklands, I'm pretty sure he'd have mentioned that.
He speaks somewhat fondly of that weapon. Though he was never very good at describing what it looked like. Now I know. Thank you, Gun Jesus! :D
I should ask him if his gun had a grip safety thingy or not, then we'd know exactly what kind it was.
He also mentioned that in training, they'd hold the thing sideways and use the recoil to cover a wide swath ahead with fire. I suppose the sights being kinda shit really wasn't too big a deal, if you're using it like that.
@@IncognitoActivadothe Falklanders voted to stay as the Falklands.
>install your own population on someone else's clay
>they, incredibly enough, identify more with the country that put them there than the one upon whose sovereignty the first took a dump over
Shocker lads
I like old guns.
Youre in the right place then
The older the better
the only ones i like the most are the mg42/mg34 are badass
Gracias !! Saludos desde Argentina!!
Hi Ian,you mentioned it has a sten-like mag. We didnt use the sten in the army,but a paramilitary unit called "Triple A" (created by the government to pursue communists) used actually british stens. Maybe its not related,but it made me remember that
The dirty war right?
Argentinian here. Ian, love you do your best to pronounce Spannish the best you can, that shows respect. And no, there was no license, just copy. Pleas if you can do the Halcón63 review. A great close bolt argentinian submachin gun!!!👍👍👍👍🇦🇷🇦🇷🇦🇷
The PAM was licensed for production the same as the Colt 1911A1 and the Browning M1919, the only difference between the 9mm version of the M3A1 and the PAM are the sights, and yes the Halcón ML-63 is a wonderful SMG and Ian would love it! In fact, all the guns from Halcón/Metalúrgica Centro are very good, I used to do precision shooting with a custom Halcón 71 target rifle, it was nice.
@@me.ne.frego.No digás boludeces María Contreras, la PAM jamás tuvo licencia. *COPIA DE ACÁ A LA CHINA* ¿¿ te suena China ??
@@bueniterkinder8257 A ver señor Kinder enojaditen, entonces el Estado Argentino licenció todas sus armas portátiles salvo la PAM que es robada e ilegal pero de algún modo nunca hubo queja ni juicio a pesar de las miles fabricadas bajo distintos gobiernos? China sí me suena, son expertos en copiar sin licencia, lo más genial que hicieron son esas Mauser C-96 adaptadas a .45ACP, una maza!
@@me.ne.frego. Bla Bla.. *COPIA* y punto.
Andá a entretenerte con Wikipedia un rato y volvé con el machete en la palma antes de borrarlo mirando páginas cochinotas. JeJee...
@@me.ne.frego. Bla Bla.. *COPIA* y punto.
Andá a entretenerte con Wikipedia un rato y volvé con el machete en la palma antes de borrarlo mirando páginas *PARA ADULTOS.* JeJee...
PAM1s probably ended in hands of state police deparments and prefectura...
Can confirm, just a couple weeks ago I was walking home and next to a bank was a group of policemen guarding an armored prosegur(?) truck, one of which had one of those
Exactly, i see the guards with PAMs every single time @@belthesheep3550
Very cool. I didn’t know anyone built Grease Gun clones.
Waiting for PSA to make a grease gun clone,
Some of my favorite content on this channel is getting to see evolutions of a firearm, or in this case a copy. I really like seeing the changes across the different iterations, and it's cool to see how even something as simple as a grease gun will still have its differences.
The argentine armed and police forces used a smorgasbord of submachineguns across the 20th century. They had 1921 and 1928 Thompsons, some Solothurn MP34, which were replaced by local designs like Halcón* M1943 and Hafdasa Z-4 smgs. Great guns, but still expensive. The PAM was DGFM's response to that, by offering a much cheaper SMG. Even Halcón simplified their M1943, added a wire stock, to compete with the PAM. Still arguably a higher quality gun (to boot, all the Halcón SMGs shoot from a close bolt) than the PAM. The PA-3 or FMK-3 replaced the PAM. It's based on the UZI and the Sa Vz. 23, but retains a Greasegun-like wire stock. As a result, they went to fight for the Malvinas/Falklands with a plethora of smgs: PAM, FMK-3, Halcón, and some commando units used Sterlings (the integrally suppressed variant in particular was well regarded).
Back to the PAM. Aside from being 9mm instead of .45 ACP, the rate of fire is higher than the original Greasegun.
*Yep, the same Halcón that converted FN-49 to 7.62 NATO and gave them 20 round detachable magazines.
Pará pará pará....vos me estás diciendo....me estás diciendo que el 7,62 es invento argento?
@@SantiagoAriasEskapa ¿En donde dije eso? Si bien varios países intentaron modificar los FN-49 a 7.62 OTAN, pero no fueron más que prototipos. FN solo modificó un ejemplar. Argentina compró unos 5500 FN-49, estos eran, originalmente, en 7.65x53mm, el mismo calibre del Mauser Argentino y los usó la Armada Argentina (o sea, la marina). La Fábrica Halcón (que en ese entonces se cambió de nombre a Metalúrgica Centro) se encargó de hacer la conversión: nuevos cañones, nuevos botadores, modificaron el armazón para que acepte los cargadores de 20 tiros, que son exclusivos para ese arma.
El resto de las fuerzas directamente adoptaron el FAL.
Hay muy pocos FN-49 dando vuelta en Argentina. La mayoría, modificados o no, los vendieron como rezago militar a EEUU.
podía haber sido jajaja. Gracias por la data
Creo que es practicamente imposible hacer una smg mas barata que una PAM 😂
The modified Halcón 1943 was the Modelo Aeronáutica 1946 still with finned barrel and compensator, but shorter, and MP-40-like folding stock, not wire, and still in .45ACP. Later Halcón models in 9mm competed with the models from MEMS and the awful PAM-1/2. Also, the RPM of the factory PAM was the same as the M3, very low 400-450RPM. The modernized FN-49 used FAL mags and along the Beretta BM-59 served in Malvinas with the Armada (in very low quantities).
Thanks for doing a video on a smg from my country. I hope you can do one on the FMK 3 soon. Love your work Ian! ❤
DGFM and FMAP are _not_ "Same thing, two different abbreviations in two different languages."
FMAP stands for _Fàbrica Militàr de Armas Portàtiles "Domingo Matheu",_ or "Military Small Arms Factory 'Domingo Matheu'", which was the plant where the gun was made.
DGFM stands for _Direcciòn Generàl de las Fabricacciònes Militares,_ or "General Directorate of Military Industries", which was the Argentinean Government entity that managed the various military factories (outside of the "Domingo Matheu" FMAP factory in Rosario there is another one in Rio Tercero that manufactures ordnance and ammunition).
Both the factories still exist, and so does DGFM, although it is now known as FM, or _Fabricaciònes Militares - Sociedad del Estado_ ("Military Manufacturing State-owned Company").
D.G.F.M: Dirección General de Fabricaciones Militares. F.M.A.P: Fabrica Militar de Armas Portátiles. Basically, F.M.A.P was a branch of the D.G.F.M. to build infantry armament. One of several examples of guns captured after Malvinas War.
Ian, I loved the video!!! I wish I had one of these in my inventory!!!
Hey Ian, got my Tobacco of the Emperor book in the mail on Saturday. Love it, the book looks great!
Ian, you really should try to visit the Museu de Armas in Buenos Aires. It's a fabulous museum and has a really good collection of Argentine made weapons going back centuries.
I really enjoyed your explanation of the PAM-2 (M3 Grease Gun), it is without a doubt one of the more interesting variants of the Grease Gun which is one of the better-known guns of WW2 and i really like the way you've pronounced the Argentinian language.
Soy de argentina y me ase feliz ver esa gran arma clásica de mi país
That is the most savage opening yet "extensive examples"
Sadly the vast, vast majority of Argentine small arms captured during the Falklands were destroyed after the conflict. It's horrible to think of all those full-auto para FALs and Browning M2s being crushed.
@@AshleyPomeroy Everything I've heard tells me that a full-auto SLR is just about the last weapon you want if you are not an army armourer with access to a supply of replacement barrels.
@@aaronleverton4221 Based on what my late grandfather told me about his time with the M14 in the Army Reserve, full-auto anything in 7.62×51 that isn't mounted to a tripod or something is a party you don't really want to attend.
@@aaronleverton4221 The L1a1 SLR doesn't have full auto
@@jackduncan5311 Thus my comment.
Would have been nice to have a "grease gun" closeby for comparison too :)
Thanks for a great video!
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I am from the city of Rosario, where the now abandoned weapons factory was, now there is a club called "Club Fábrica de Armas" the truth is it is interesting to know the history of that club and former weapons factory and the weapons.
Love the content from the Royal Armouries visits
Hi Ian, just a note regarding the "DGFM - FMAP" rollmarks, the abbreviations you see are not two different ways of spelling the same name, but rather the full name of the factory and ministry behind it
DGFM: Direccion General de Fabricaciones Militares (wiuch translates to General Directory for Military Fabrications)
FMAP: Fabrica Militar de Armas Portatiles (as you correctly stated this means, Military Factory for Small Arms)
thanks for an excellent video
Funny because in America .. PAM is frying grease in a spray can
I´m just SUPER PUMPED that you published a video on an Argentine SMG on my BDAY. BEST BDAY EVER!!!!
Hola Ian, las inscriciones DGFM y FMAP son en castellano. Dirección General de Fabricaciones Militares y Fabrica Militar de Armas Portatiles. Las PAM 2 no terminaron en manos de civiles salvo excepciones de ex militares, la mayoria fueron entregadas a policias (departamentos( policiales). Las que si se fabricaron versiones civiles fueron de la PAM3 o FMK3 cuya version civil era la FMK5 pero eran armas fabricadas y asi marcadas, no modificaciones (algo parecido con el FAL cuya version civil es FSL Fusil Semiautomático Ligero (hubieron algunos con cañon pesado menos comunes) .
A mediados de los años noventa se dicto un decreto presidencial que volvio casi imposible para cualquier civil poseer armas largas derivadas de modelos militares.
Saludos cordiales desde Argentina
Quería destacar que disfruto mucho de tu canal, siempre es grato aprender siendo un entusiasta del tiro deportivo y de las armas en general.
snap open - NOW YA KILLING - snap close - NOW YA AINT
This is pretty cool
see that cover? open it. and now you killin. close it up, now you aint.
Ian, come to Argentina, we have Asado!!
I'd love to see a video on the FBP. I had no idea they existed until I saw them in the military museum in Lisbon.
Many of these guns are used by private security forces. Like armored trucks to transport money in banks. Is not rare to see guards have these while recharging ATMs.
Where is Jonathan Ferguson keeper of firearms and artillery at the royal armouries museum in the uk ?
He's out hunting for more Gyrojets 😅
Like you said, "Jonathan Ferguson keeper of firearms and artillery at the royal armouries museum in the uk" is in the UK.
More than likely next door making his own video or next door the other side on the shoting range 😉
Jonathan Ferguson keeper of firearms and artillery at the royal armouries museum in the uk is getting the next batch of goodies to film for Ian Mcollum expert at anything shooty in the whole wide world from the United States
Probably next door with a cup of tea and a chocolate digestive.
'PAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMM...!!!!'
'WHAT???'
'...Danger zone!'
Did we ever see a grease gun in Archer? I can’t remember haha
@@jcs8568 strangely, no... closest thing featured was a burp gun; or a lot of burp guns, really. In fact, I think the MP40 featured in pretty much all the first 5 seasons...
DANGER ZOOOOOOOONE
PAMPAGE!!!!! *DAKKA-DAKKA-DAKKA-DAKKA*
Saw "improvised 9mm gre-" in notifications and thought this was something very different
oh no
you didnt see improvised though cause its improved
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What did you think it was?
I'm surprised more people didn't adopt a .45 grease gun with an integrated suppressor. It seems made for it when you see it done, it looks WAY cooler and of course the regular cartridge is sub-sonic.
Other than that horrible weld-seam down the back of the pistol grip, and maybe the sights, this looks like a really well designed SMG. Nice video!
Well that was pretty neat
Thank you Ian for your effort to pronounce spanish names and words. Good job amigo 👍
In the late 40s, early 50s, the Arg. Army made copies of the Johnson rifle, the M1 Garand and the Stg 44 (and producing the 7,92 Kurz also). In the end they dropped everything whe they adopted the FAL.
NICE!
I carried a Beretta PM12S for a couple of years on a SWAT team before we got MP5s in the early 90s. Very reminiscent of it.
How appropriate that PAM would make a grease gun substitute to spray with.
I love that as an American, you spend a lot of time in Europe looking at their gun collections.
Suppressed grease gun would be a thing to behold.
*9mm* is certainly an improvement 🤗
MUCHAAACHOOOS! Ian mentioned us agaiiiin!
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@@malvinasargentinas354 me parece que tenes que usar un torno...
@@gaston01000 no existe nada igua lni siquiera en yankilandia
@@malvinasargentinas354 lo digo por la calidad. Igual, apenas se faciliten un poco los trámites voy, me hago el CLU y me anoto en el curso de armero.
@@malvinasargentinas354 Altamente impráctico e ilegal. Me encanta!
I'm not argentinian, but I'm from south America, but I have to say, Ian's pronounciation was pretty good
Kind of reminds me of squirt gun construction with the two halves making up the construction of this one. Crazy
My instinct about the serial number range is that the best sources may be citing the number of weapons that made it to some particular step in the process but the serial numbers were applied at some prior step in that process (coming off of the factory line, QC/testing, proofing, acceptance).
Police still uses this gun when money is delivered to banks and exchanges in safe trucks. And also in fútbol (soccer) matches! Thanks Ian, good material.
Hey Ian... many of these guns are still on active duty, specially among police corps on some provinces. Greetings from Argentina!
I really hope you review the FMK-3 !!
I wake up ---> There's another coronacion de Gloria !!!
Argentina mentioned LES GOOOOOO
Falkland war , Yay as another victory over a Catholic Dictatorship, King Phillip of Spain, Napoleon Bonaparte, Germany Fuhrer, And Argentina General Galtiere
Honestly, part of me does not understand windage as an adjustment. The reason I say this is because in combat you are unlikely to be trying to turn a knob about it, but rather free-hand aiming about it. More often than not I'll hear of people using windage knobs to fix their fucked up shooting instead of actually correcting themselves - meaning while they may hit at 100 yards they're horribly off at any other range. It is a strange feature to me purely because of this, winds will not remain at a constant 10mph for the next 18 hours, so it makes more sense to free-hand the estimate than adjust for a fickle amount of time during a conflict - At least in my opinion.
tremendo fierro tiene el ian
12:00 Ahí hay que hacer una aclaración, no se liberaron para la venta a el público en general ni fue a civiles. Lo más correcto sería que se vendió "a fuerzas no militares" ya que pasaron a poder de policías estatales y privadas, además de clubes de tiro, museos y colecciones privadas. No es que cualquiera con permiso de portación de arma semiautomática de ese calibre (básicamente personal activo o retirado de fuerzas de seguridad, fuerzas armadas, luego guardaespaldas registrados y poco más) El límite de calibre para uso civil en esos años era .32 y en revólver, semiautomática .22.
i think i read somewhere that the Philippines used an modified the M3 to have a higher rate of fire, sounds like fun
I've actually seen these in use by cash-in-transit guards (basically civilians) as recently as 2015 in Buenos Aires. I was surprised to see them still in use.
vamos argentinaaaaaaaa
I would love to see Ian Ranting about the FMK-3 smg
10mm submachine gun ahh weapon but very cool always a treat when Ian Does videos on Central and South America I wish he did more videos on Mexico and stuff
this gun is why i tag repair everytime i start a new vegas playthrough
Lets go ARG! My grandpa did the mandatory military service with those
Hey my dad used them ,very cool he told me his had a very fast rate or fire
Personally, I think the 4 years to go from prototype to mass production is most likely due to, well, Argentina.
Here the Nahuel DL-43 tank was developed VERY fast, in record time. The PAM is awful as the original Grease Gun, we had far better SMGs from Halcón and HAFDASA (plus all the pre-war Thompsons) but the goverment wanted something very cheap and not-private made.
Mi país 🇦🇷 por cierto que buena pronunciación en Español
Wish to see you talk abou the IMBEL IA2 in the future
I also like the Halcón ML-63
Seems like a conflict of interest for Argentina to clone a Grease Gun AND an MP40….
Not really... actually we were part of a group of countries that call themselves "Movimiento de los No Alineados"... basically they don't take sides... and we were neutral for the most part of the WWII... the military was very "prusian" back then and the admiration for germany was well known...
Would you happen to know the name of this Argentinian MP40 clone?
I don't remember that we had clones of the MP40... There are original MP40s here
But even if it existed, those conflicts matter little to us, we only used what we thought worked.
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I actually bought one of this boy's mag pouch for like ~3 bucks here in argentina.
We need these imported in parts kit form.
PAM PAM PAM ! PAM are in
Here in the Netherlands, we could buy M1 Carbines, M1 Garands and surplus police FN10/22 till the early 1990's straight from the police or military. Some lucky once could buy a uzi of FAL, but those were rare. Oh, Brenguns and BAR'S (semi auto only) was also very easy purchased from the government. They stopped selling surplus guns to civilian around 1992 after a guy committed a crime with a ex-police FN10/22 (which was stolen out of the house of a legal gun owner btw).