A few of our viewers suggested a bottom intake/top intake, rear tower cooler exhaust configuration and I did test that out. After running it, it's apparent why it doesn't work well and the reasoning is similar to why I didn't recommend it for the vented panel either, it's just much worse due to the glass panel. For the same CPU/GPU tests normalized to 25C Ambient, I got 76.4 on the CPU and 75.0 on the GPU. Not good considering the rear intake with 4X bottom to top was 68.7/74.9 and rear exhaust with 4X bottom to top was 75.3/71.5. Almost as bad as the 2X fan configuration in rear exhaust (rear exhaust with 2X bottom was 77.1/74.0). My observation on the reasoning is: 1) A top intake suppresses the GPU exhaust that would otherwise be quickly taken care of by the case fan above, forcing it into the path of the cooler fans. Though you do get fresh air from the top fans, the penalty from allowing more GPU exhaust to be taken in by the cooler is much more severe. Essentially the CPU cooler is now the only route out, short of the hot case air bypassing the cooler through the gap between the rear of the case and the cooler. 2) Running case fans like this increases pressure inside the case and reduces the efficacy of all the case fans, so total airflow is reduced as well.
Well, it's logical, heated air eventually has to leave the case, if there is too little air going out, the ambient temperature is going to increase, and the CPU's heatsink also takes hot air from all the components. Best would be two high speed high static fans on the bottom, the GPU on the bottom deshrouded, the bottom fans placed as close to the GPU's heatsink as possible, the top back fan and front fan 25mm, cpu heatsink taking cool air from the mesh side panel or rear. What would also help i think, would be if the front of the GPU had a fan sucking air blowing out of the GPU directly to the front of the case, since i noticed these spots often having hot pockets, would probably decrease temperature of GPU by a few degrees, but then SSD's on the front may heat up... doesn't help that the front is closed up too, so it might do little.
Last days i've performed several tests with my nr200, 7 arctic cooling fans (5: 120x25 and 2 slim ones) and 2 different CPU coolers (Noctua NH-C14S and AIO Artic Liquid Cooling 240mm). I've decided to take off the fans from GPU and use fans at the bottom. The priority was to achive lowest temps and volume using stress tests for GPU, then CPU, then during 1hr gaming sessions. My key findings: 1. Less is more. I've ended up with Noctua CPU cooler in intake position and 2 Arctic's at the bottom for GPU. With all possible set-ups in this case, this option created only 2C more on CPU but at the same the GPU had 4-5C less (strange but this is the fact, cant argue with numbers). With those 3 fans in total i'm also hearing difference in overall (better) noise. Its much more quiet in idle and stress then with 4+ fans. I was in to 1 more fan at the top (intake), but there was no diff in temps and additional fans creates more noise. 2. Aftermarket fans > GPU cooling system I strongly sugget to take off fans from GPU and use two 25x120mm fans at the bottom. This is at least 10C less and aftermarket fans are less noisy. I also strony suggest to put few anti-scratching stickers (like those for furnitures) to the bottom of the fans to make as close as possible to the GPU radiator. This made another 2-3C of a difference and the GPU is now comfortably laying on the fan (it was bending a bit). Also, as i wanted to be able to control those 2 bottom fans according to GPU temps, i've installed Argus Monitor, which a very complex software, one a very few that allows for this kind of linkeage. 3. Air Cooler > AIO's I was really into AIO. Wanted to have this kind of "modern" tech and i though it will allow for better air ventialtion inside and major improvement in CPU temps. Well.. it might be me or this particular model of Arctic Liquid Cooling 240mm but... A) The temps were a bit worse then with Noctua C14S (2-3C). B) The pump and little radiator on the mounting bracket makes calm but irritating sounds. This is very important in idle, when u're able to operate on 300rpms so literally - total silence. But unfortunately, AIO wasn't perfect. 4. RESULTS IDLE: CPU: 32C | GPU: 25C STRESS TEST: CPU: 55C | GPU: 62C GAMING: CPU 48 | GPU: 55C
Hey Man I just wanna say I love your channel. I love how you're focusing on the NR200/200P and just tinkering with the many different configurations. It has definitely given me a lot to think about since I have my NR200P. You have answered almost every question I have regarding this case regarding the cooling capabilities with the TG Panel vs Mesh. the AIO orientation and which one works best. and so much more. You have earned a subscriber and I hope you continue the great work.
For the past 12 years i have been using gaming laptops. And when i finally made my first desktop build after selling those laptop off, i fell in love with your NR200's reviews. I am pretty content with NH-U12A as exhaust, and Four NF-A12X25, 2 exhaust on top and another 2 intake from the bottom. I used the same specs, with Deshrouded and dowvolted 100mv 1890Mhz Zotac 3080 OC and so far it has been serving me well, and i am satisfied with the performance that this setup provides. It's overkill, but since i am living in the tropics, temps are the only factor i need to take in. Thank you good sir for your wonderful review and suggestions.
Thanks for testing all these configurations, really excellent work here! I have two possible improvements/tests that could be worth testing. 1) The NH-U12A is simply too big for the NR200P and the air flow is not optimal as it break the bottom to top airflow. Having two fans perpendicular is not ideal too. Pairing it with a NH-U9S instead and using "small brackets" to put the fan/intake at the bottom would keep the airflow bottom/top. Wonder the NH-U12A is really needed here, especially if paired with a 65W TDP processor like AMD 3700X/5600X. 2) I also wonder if slim fans like the NF-A12x15 would yield better result in the bottom too by giving airflow channel 1 more centimeter. This is the configuration I will try, but unfortunately waiting for the 5600X to be delivered and worst, the RTX3070FE to be available for real.
interested in the south to north bottom top of the NH-U12A as well.. just wondering if the GPU heat would affect it adversely.. anyways do let us know on this update.. thinking of a 5600x AIB 3080/6800xt build
Good point with the over powered cooler. I have almost the same setting, R5 5600 with a RTX 3070 and have ordered low profile coolers (Scythe Shuriken 2, Scythe Big Shuriken 3 and Noctua L9a). I will test them today and see which one will fit best in my setting. Helpful and definitely worth reading was the following review which compared the listed low profile cooler. The Scythe big Shuriken 3 was the best in the comparison, second the Scythe Shuriken 2, third the Noctua L9a. Interesting here, the heat removal could be increased when replacing the 15mm fan vs. 25mm fan but only when go for the ventilated door panel. www.mitxlove.com/2020/04/12/scythe-Shuriken-2-low-profile-cpu-cooler-review/
What I find crazy about the NR200 and a 3080 (finally came in!) is how much hot air is being exhausted out of the side panel when in the default bottom position. It's *a lot* and to think of how it stays within the case of the NR200P just kind of blows my mind since it's dumping north of 330 watts out of the box when it's put under load so it's great that you've continuously taken the extra steps to mitigate temps for both as much as possible. Even just comparing the GPU temps between both is amazing where mine rarely went over 65c out of the box with two Noctua A12x15 as intake with a pretty moderate fan curve. Since I undervolted to 1860 (which can sometimes still boost up to1890) @ 850mv temps rarely go over 56c and shaved off about ~40 watts.
Excellent and thorough coverage as usual! My experience with adding (2) bottom slim fans in the NR200p with my EVGA 3080 Ultra with the TG and a tower cooler (Cryorig H7 intel 6600k at 4.1GHz) was lackluster at best. It improved GPU temps by 1-2°c at most and without the bottom fans the stock fan curve the GPU seldom gets to 70°c+ This is likely due to the GIANT heatsink and 3 fan configuration. Due to the slim fans being basically against the GPU it just added turbulence and increase case noise. Fans were removed and returned. Waiting for Zen 3 to be more widely available to finish my build. The 6600k has been a trooper these last several years and it's time for an upgrade.
Interesting, I’m in sort of the same situation with the 3070 gaming trio. I think the frontmost slim fan is actually acting as the anti-sag device for the gpu, as in the card is resting on it. I should probably just remove them as well and run the tower cooler as rear intake (using glass panel). Might need something else to keep the gpu from being pushed... those sleeved cables from the SF600 are super stiff and pressing on the backplate.
SO helpful. This video and TechSource's "How to Build a PC" step by step guide are all you need to build a system in this case, even if you don't know what you're doing. Your video actually dealt specifically with my setup, which includes the 3070FE. Really appreciate all the work that went into it. I'm afraid to watch the one on the top air coolers. Don't want to find out I bought the wrong one! (ThermalRight Silver Soul 135)
First off I love the detailed content and have a very Merry Christmas. I have an NR200p with 4 120mm Noctua fans (bottom slim) 92mm rear fan Asus X570 MB AMD RX6800 XT RYZEN 5 3600 750W Corsair 80+ platinum with sleeved cables 16GB 3600 TEAMGROUP t force dark ram. Noctua NH-L9a but looking into tower cooling. Thanks again for your hard work. FYI slim fans under my GPU WORKED WONDERS
Hey I would love to see an analysis of different tower coolers with the tg as I’ve seen some that fit in the vented panel no longer work with the tg. Additionally, it would be interesting to see how the diffrent tower coolers fair with the reduction of airflow from the tg. Thanks for all the great work on the NR200!
I just want to thank you for all your videos regarding NR200/P! Now I know what cooling setup for both mesh and TG. I'll be waiting for your Pure Rock 2 video soon to finalize my cooling solution.
I am loving this series of videos about the NR200... And this video just answered my doubts about the tempered glass set-up... I would love to see how the thermals will go without a high end tower radiator like the noctua, but with a low cost cooling option like the Arctic Freezer 34 eSports duo... And check if the thermals go up too much
Thanks! I have a very similar setup but did not realize I could do rear intake for the cpu cooler until I saw your video! One more thing to add is that if you have a very large GPU like the 3090 FE, you should get the slim fans for bottom intake because the case fans would not fit.
@@MachinesMore I'm not a pro in fluid dynamics but logic tells me that with the design of 3080 FE and a top exhaust, it seems that it will kinda choke the CPU cooler running as exhaust, thus the top intake (cooler exhaust)/top exhaust (cooler intake) suggestions. Thanks for the reviews and testings!
@@BCdesu I ran the test and immediately was reminded why that was a bad config. I pinned a comment with details above. I do not recommend running any form of rear exhaust, glass or vented, with the Ampere FE cards because the top exhaust of the FE cards puts the exhaust directly into the path of the cooler. In theory top intake with the 3080 would be the worst config for both CPU and GPU. In fact the top exhaust is ideal for the FE cards- picture it this way, top exhaust comes out the top of the graphics card and is immediately sucked out, without lingering in the case. You might get clean air from the top intake but you're also pushing the hot exhaust down and keeping it in the case, which makes everyone unhappy. With the FE cards, a rear intake is also good for the CPU since you get fresh air, even though there is a slight amount of re-intake of the GPU's exhaust.
13:00 Finally, people are catching onto the flaws of the Arctic fans. They do growl at high RPMs, especially the 140mm version. And another disadvantage that no one mentions is that they aren't padded with any damping material, so they can induce vibrations in a case. I highly recommend mounting them using "rubber fan screw mounts." The NR200's rubber grommets work well, too.
A work around for using the Noctua cooler is to use low-profile motherboard stand off screws. That should give you the few mm clearance to use the glass panel.
Hey, thanks for all your coverages of this case. This has been extremely helpful for a first time SFF PC builder like me. What are your thoughts on the Fuma 2 with 2 bottom sickle flow intake and 1 top Noctua NF-A12x25 exhaust? Planning to use the tg panel as well.
I'm building one NR 200, with 3070 Ti, Bottom Intake, 2 x Noctua nf12x15, Rear Intake 92 mm Sickleflow case fan, Top exhaust 2 x 120 mm p12s, My CPU tower is vertical mounting meaning the U12s faces upwards, with 120 mm NF12 pushing air upward and that 92 mm sickleflow pulling inwards. Its a bit of a mix and match from all of your AIR cooling solutions for NR200 so far.
Your in depth NR200 videos are really helping me decide on my next system. I will be getting a NR200P to give me the best total options and I like to see my gear. I will have a Ryzen 5 3600 and GTX1660 Super so TDP will be low so maybe will stick with stock fans on bottom and maybe a U12S (harder to get the ID cooling unit in my country). I will have some spare Cooler Master case fans from my current NR400 to add to the top. Or maybe some matching Noctuas for the top.
Awesome! For the 1660 super fans aren’t super imperative- it’s a relatively cool GPU, while I’m the fans would help, this is a card that you don’t have to spend too much to help run cool. Plus the impact on the rest of the case isn’t as pronounced since it is a mid range card in terms of TDP.
Since the optimal airflow is from bottom to top, I wonder why they went with the choice to not put a easily removable dust filter on the top. My case top gets dirty very fast and it annoys me a lot! The top panel is not easy to remove unlike the other side panels and often the fan pins keep falling out. Shouldve made the top and bottom just like the side panels.
Awesome video! I helped my friend build a new NR200 air cooling recently by following your suggestion and he is very satisfied!! Hopefully you will be doing a review for Lian Li O11 mini.
How about gluing some neodymium magnets to the side panel for a magnetic hold? The magnets would also add a little thickness to help with the glass panel hitting the heat pipes. You sould use two stacked magnets if you needed even more space. I use neodymium magnets with my Nouvolo Steck as the stock magnets suck.
Very informative! Your content has been invaluable to me as I start to build in the nr200p Great work! Keep it up. I hope your channel grows quickly :)
I'm still a little confused as to the best configuration for my upcoming build. Will be running a Ryzen 5600x and RTX3080 in the normal vented side configuration (no TG panel). From what I can understand around the 3 minute mark, I should be running a tower cooler in intake configuration, 2 exhausts at the top, and 2 intakes at the bottom. Is that correct? If so, that should work well as I'll likely look to deshroud the GPU in future, which will cause less turbulence conflict with the intakes at the bottom.
Hey- you’re correct- that’s the orientation I’d recommend for both TG and vented with an extremely high TBP GPU. Deshrouding may help the GPU, at least in terms of noise.
How were the Noctua NF-A12x15mm SLIM, Chromax? I'm planning on putting 2 as exhaust in my system. I was also thinking of putting the one above my fuma 2 and intake and the one above my psu as exhaust. Is this smart?
The slim Noctuas are the best slim fans you can get. In general you’d want to run all fans running air in the same direction, the mixed direction just adds turbulence and things don’t work as well. So I would run both as exhaust overhead. If you’re using an SFX PSU that fan over the PSU can be a 25mm one.
@@MachinesMoresadly it is sfx l, and there are no chromax 25mm nf a12's. Planning on returning these sometime in January when they launch the chromax 25mm and I can grab an sf750. My aorux extreme 3080 and 3900xt are a MICROWAVE.
Please in next tower coolers with TG panel comparison take in consideration the Cryorig H7 too! It’s the one I want to buy because I’m concerned about all this heatpipe touches the glass thing with coolers like Scythe Fuma 2, Mugen 5 and Noctua NH-U12A itself: I think the glass panel can come off and scratch/shatter when transporting the case, even if holded in place with the screws. I come from a nr200 vented panel-aio configuration, but it has bored me because the radiator on side panel doesn’t allow to show components inside the case, so I want to switch to a TG panel-aircooled configuration. As always, excellent job!
Cheers- unfortunately that won't be tested in this next round but I will see if I can source a review unit to check out. I totally hear you on the transport issue and did not consider it- thank you for bringing that up. Another issue is actually most manufacturers will warn you to take the cooler off for extended transport since there is the possibility of excessive leverage on the mobo anyway. For your needs- have you considered a Noctua U9s?
@@MachinesMore Thanks for the reply! I’ve actually considered U9S but I’d like to put 120mm rgb fans on the cooler like the ones I’ve mounted on the top to create a nice effect. Guess I’ve to wait for your next video to know if the other coolers you’re gonna review with TG panel on are suitable for me, since I own an Aorus X570 too :)
Another great and detailed video for this awesome case. Could you also recommend/test some low profile coolers with the glass panel and vertical GPU mount - that will be very interesting if you are going for the looks, but also care for airflow optimization.
Honestly, from your previous videos it didn't look like bottom gpu fans were this important, but now they almost look necessary. My planned build has 5600x, U12a as an intake and probably a 3080 with no bottom fans, but now i should reconsider the airflow direction of the heatsink
They’re not critical for the vented panel but definitely recommended for the TG. For 3080 for sure, rear intake. Couldn’t even get the OC to stick with rear exhaust with a 3080.
I have to say these small cases sure does get your mind going on what's the best way to cram everything in to get good airflow and I'm to the point it's time to separate the GPU from the rest of the case to get best airflow
Great, informative and straight to the point! Have been enjoying your videos for the past 2 months while waiting to actually get my NR200P here in Germany. It finally arrived today- so this is great timing. Now all I need is for my 5900X to arrive and to try and get a 6800XT and will be good to go. Would there be any changes in fan recommendation with this build and the tempered glass? Seems pretty consistent with what you shared in this video? If only the U12-A came in black as well!
@@Guy_on_CZcams Nice! Was hoping to use the NF-A12x15 Noctua's or maybe the slim version. Also not sure how it will help. Actually being able to buy the card will be the first challenge I think! :(
same. i do back intake cpu cooler, fan in from bottom and out from top. cpu temp goes down about 5-10 compare to cpu exhaust. probably because it dows use hot air from gpu and use cool air from the back of the case instead. gpu temps stay trhe same.
Tested this- 76.8/73.9 CPU/GPU normalized to 25C, it's within measurement error of using 2X fans with cooler exhaust (77.1/74.0). Bottom in, top exhaust, that's how this case should work best. The top fan as an intake suppresses the GPU exhaust and just raises the ambient case air temp, which causes the CPU cooler to get stifled.
I changed to from rear exhaust to rear intake and it dropped my under load CPU temps 17c! GPU temps only increased by 2C under load. Card is a 3070 strix, no bottom intake fans. Tempered Glass Panel.
Very nice Video , much Information for me :) , i will stick with Fuma2 or Frost spirit 140 for the Nr200p and hell yeah i sticked with the Halo's too .. you read my brain damn :D
With the Fuma 2, would you rotate the cooler to have the slim fan face the rear of the case when doing CPU intake or do you think it could handle it fine facing the "normal" way?
Great video. I was just about to pull the trigger on a Fuma 2 for my NR200 (non-P) setup but will now wait for your next video. Seeing as I got the NR200, I only got one of the 120mm fans, was looking at grabbing 2x Arctic Cooler for the bottom already and possibly the top. My system isn't all that great, i5-8400 stock with an RX580 8GB Gaming X (use the system as a dual boot hackintosh) so I don't really need a whole lot. I only game on rare occasion (LoTRO, GW2) and don't run anything at super high detail or anything but want to keep the system cool and quiet as possible. So with that said, new tower cooler will be in the works based on your next video (potentially Fuma2) in intake mode, with 4x 120mm running via PWM at 800rpm? Sounds like a fairly quiet and cool setup.
I freaking love the NR200P because it's so versatile as an ITX case but I feel there could be 2 things that CM could've done. 1. Make it a little bigger in terms of width and maybe height like 5mm? I understand it's a big case for an ITX but why not just a little more? It could accommodate SFX-L PSU without interference with big GPUs and 25mm thick fans on the top, in addition it could support some great tower coolers which are shy of a few mm right now! 2. Support for top mounted AIOs. As much as I love the tool-less system I feel that it's the only optimal place to mount an 240 AIO as per GN. Perhaps they could revise it in the next update! Just my 2cents.🙂
Good points. For tempered glass users I personally would have preferred top rad compatibility vs bottom fan compatibility (if one had to choose) since that opens up more possibilities for folks, ie ability to run an AIO without vGPU. Usually the GPU can handle itself, even if some help is nice from bottom fans.
I ditched the TG altogether, bottom is slim 240 rad with two A12x15 fans as intake, top is two A12x25 as exhaust, side is single slim 120 rad with A12x25. Cooling 5900X with RTX 2080 Ti. Quite happy with thermals (tolerable, considering rather conservative t/RPM curve) and more than acceptable acoustics.
Hey Machines & More :) Love your coverage of this case ! I am wondering, can you mount an AIO on top ? Even with that top palen, is it possible? And if it works... could one use ANOTHER AiO on the regular mesh sideplate ? kreygazm.....!
Very cool video. Could you try deshrouding the gpu, and running the bottom fans (and rear) as exhaust? Also - were you able to try both tall and slim gpus? i feel like distance between the card and the tempered glass panel should matter quite alot for the airflow.
I used a big shuriken 3 with a 20mm fan, vertical gpu, and 4 fans in push pull from bottom to top, best setup I've found for this case. I'm matching or beating these thermals with a 2080 super.
Greta videos and very informative! I have a question though, I plan on using the lian li 240 aio. Is the top fan supposed to be an intake fan and the rear one exhaust, correct? And if I wanted to add another one up too would I have to change any air flow direction with my case fans? I plan on only having 2 or 3 case fans tops.
I plan on running a BeQuiet! Shadow Rock LP CPU air cooler with Noctua LP fan, giving me just over 10mm space from the vertical GPU. My take is that the intake fans from bottom should be able to provide enough air for both CPU and GPU as air would be able to go through the gaps between CPU cooler/GPU backplate and GPU fans/glass panel. What do you think?
They will, with the right cooler. U12A fits two 25mm fans anyway. I’d just take the mesh off and mount it with screws. Most likely will cover this mod when doing the custom loop build.
I think it also depends on your motherboard, some of the gigabyte boards have the CPU higher up and that might mean u don't have enough space for top fans with a c14s
Thanks for this content. will be building with the nr200p but am still waiting for AIB RX 6000 series. Was planning to do a vertical GPU mount. Do you have tests on this kind of setup?
I’ve done a few tests and the only reason to do so is for putting a radiator on the bottom. Air cooling with a low profile cooler doesn’t work well in this scenario. If you take a look at the review in the MSI Coreliquid there are a few tests with the vertical GPU.
Have you considered rotating a tower cooler by 90 degrees and putting a fan on the bottom side for a push configuration? My intuition is saying it might fit the bottom to top airflow the best.
Everything intake, Top exhaust. GPU horizontal intake, CPU intake, Power Supply Intake, 2 extra bottom fans intake. Two top fans Exhaust. I can’t tell if you tried that.
Love your work man! Do you think the noctua s12a or the nfa12 are most optimal for top exhaust fans? Which is the quietest and is the quiter option optimal for airflow in this case?
Cheers- most effective, you could run NF-A12x25 at a higher RPM for the same noise level, they’re the best 120mm fan for sure. I don’t think it’s necessary but for sure, if you want more airflow without a noise penalty those are the way to go.
So I've finally finished my build in the nr200 thanks to your amazing vids on the case. I've got myself a 3700x with an L12S and all the optimal fan placements you recommend in your low profile vids, and have a 1660 super atm (two top exhausts, side panel mounted fan pointed at a rotated L12S with the fan on top blowing air towards mobo, two bottom fans below gpu as intake, mesh side panel). Reckon I could get away with upgrading to a 6800xt/3080 down the line without changing anything else in the build (got an sfx 750w plat psu)?
I found that when I put the upper fans with one exhaust on top of the cpu and the other for intake would make the cpu temp lower by 1-2 degrees. I do have two intake fans at the bottom for gpu and one 90mm fan for rear exhaust. That seems to be the perfect temp setup for me.
@@espen990 But with my setup, the gpu temp would raise by 1-2 degree too. I am using 2070S with 3 gpu fans and the temp never go beyond 67c when gaming. So it is fine with me. :-)
After watching few of your videos I got this maybe crazy idea - if it would be possible to fit AIO on the bottom, deshroud GPU and stick some slim fans between them. Then rest of the case is free and other fans could intake/exhaust air depending on setup on the bottom. What do you think?
What is the optimal airflow for NR200 (vented side panel), 6 core CPU and 3080 non FE model? Should we use C14S or U12A? Should we try to find gpu with cut backplate (visible heatsink from the back) like Asus TUF model or it doesn't matter? Should we deshroud the gpu, and did you test using bottom fans as exhaust on deshrouded gpu?
i have two fans on top (exhaust) and two slim Noctua fans on bottom (intake) and a 92mm Noctua (as exhaust for now) with a CPU Cooler Mugen 5 with fan exhausting out. Lots of Fans! Machines & More. What are your thoughts?
Thank your for all the work you put into your videos, super helpful. What would you suggest for the *quietest* AND most efficient air cooling setup for an NR200, with say an RTX 3080 and a 5800x? I've watched the series but still left wondering about this.
Of course! A rear intaking Noctua NH-U12A is a good choice for noise perception (different than technical noise pressure which is measurable), since it uses two of the smooth sounding NF-A12x25s. The C14S + NF-A12x25 pull fan combo is also good, the only reason I rank that marginally lower than the U12A is that potentially, depending on which side of your case faces you, the rad fan can seem louder due to the proximity to the exterior panel. Also at least to my ears, the A14 stock fan is a little more rough sounding at high RPMs, even if the measured decibel level is the same. Otherwise, from a technical sound perspective both are very good options.
Great videos, huge help, specially in cooling solutions. If I wanted to put 2 top case fans exhausting (P12), how far should the case be from a surface flat? The nr200p fits really nice in a shelving near my desk, but it only has 4.5cm to the upper shelf.
have you tested the air setup with the cpu cooler facing up/down with air flow going up? this would encourage the bottom to top air flow as the case was designed.
I have a Arous Extreme 3080, Ryzen 5 5600X and a Vetroo U6 Pro, intake on the rear, cpu cooler fans as well intake and both on top exhaust, cant fit on the bottom since the card is massive, i manage to get temp no higher tan 65C on the CPU and the GPU is undertvolt so is around the same 65c to 70c on full load. Wonder is a lower profile cpu cooler will provide better aire flow since the vetroo is big
I have the NR200 Non-Glass Panel and I'm looking for a pure Air Flow setup. I'm considering 2 140s as an intake for the side panel and 2 exhaust top, 2 intakes at the bottom, and 1 rear exhaust. as for CPU cooler, I'm sticking with Stock for the time being and may switch to non-Tower cooler later on. Thoughts? Opinions? Advice?
@@CaveyMoth Maybe the NR200 v2. I saw a Chinese case that mimics the NR200 with a few "upgrades" that users had been begging for, such as ATX PSU bracket adapter and supp for mATX MoBo.
I have Scythe Fuma 2 that combined with MSI B450I has enough space to fit two full size 25mm fans at top with about 1 CM of clearance in between in NR200. With this in mind, would I better off with having 2 fans (the ones included with the NR200P) mounted at the top or at the bottom? Thank you
Sorry if you mentioned this in the video... does the x570 aorous have the same higher cpu socket placement that the B550i aorous? There's lots of reports of not being able to fit in a 25mm exhaust fan on top of the cpu using larger heatsinks e.g. Fuma 2, Mugen 5 etc... did you experience this?
What If I only have two 120mm case fans and use one case fan as a top exhaust and one fan as a bottom intake? Or should I use both fans in a single 2X config? atm I only have a two-fan RTX2060
If you run a blower style card then running rear intake would be a bad choice sinds you intake all the hot air of the gpu. Have you tested temps with a blower style card also or just regular cards witch exhaust into the case?
Hello interested in building in the NR200P case. I have a few questions about it: 1. Can I fit a 240mm AIO below when using a compatible matx motherboard? 2. With the config above can it also fit a vertical gpu? 3. Can I use an atx psu with the same config or stick with sfx psu? You can also suggest other case in the price bracket of around the same price Thanks everyone trying to fit everything in a smaller case and NR200 seems fit for me :)
My gpu would fill the whole bottom of this case, no room for fans. I want to keep the glass panel. Is this even possible with good cooling? my gpu has 3 fans that would all flow down I think.
Does the NH-U12A allow top fans with the higher offset cpu socket on the MSI and gigabyte aorus 550 mobos? Great information as usual btw! Your series on the NR200 is amazing.
You can- couple things, the lovely backplate for the X570 board would have to come off and (bigger problem) I/O will be misaligned. I’d further shield off the panel with electrical tape.
Hi, so I don’t know whether you are going to react on this. I love your series as I tend to get the nr200 myself. I’m going to get a i9 9900k with a 3070 when it’s available. I don’t really use that many cpu heavy tasks, so my gpu is the main thing that has to stay cool. The thing is: where I live, the C14s(109€) is more expensive than the U12a(98€). I don’t mind spending more money if it works better. So I also looked at your aio vids and found the nzxt kraken x63 and ther Corsair H115i. I’m a little worried that an aio in this case wil get malfunctions due to little space. What would you, or anyone else recommend? Have a nice day and thanks again for the series, you’ve helped me out tremendously
Nice video! May I ask if the provided case fans will fit at the bottom of the case if you have a 52mm graphics card? If not, what fan would you recommend as bottom fans for the gpu size I mentioned?
Cheers! Nope, you will have to with slim fans. For slim, static pressure fans IMO there’s only one solid choice and that’s the Noctua NF-A12x15mm (links in description) They come in both Chromax and regular.
Would it make sense to use a tower with one pull fan and then a 120 fan installed to the back of the case as exhaust? That way it is pulling the cooler exhaust as well as other exhaust?
With the right board it might, although I’d put electrical tape over the panel just in case something could short out. It wouldn’t work with the X570 board I use since the board has a backplate that sits flush against the panel.
@@MachinesMore Ah, assuming it's non-removable back plate. Well if you get a chance it would be cool to see. This was the thread in question, www.reddit.com/r/coolermaster/comments/ibw36s/nr200p_standoff_screw/ Thank you for all the great content.
A few of our viewers suggested a bottom intake/top intake, rear tower cooler exhaust configuration and I did test that out. After running it, it's apparent why it doesn't work well and the reasoning is similar to why I didn't recommend it for the vented panel either, it's just much worse due to the glass panel.
For the same CPU/GPU tests normalized to 25C Ambient, I got 76.4 on the CPU and 75.0 on the GPU.
Not good considering the rear intake with 4X bottom to top was 68.7/74.9 and rear exhaust with 4X bottom to top was 75.3/71.5. Almost as bad as the 2X fan configuration in rear exhaust (rear exhaust with 2X bottom was 77.1/74.0).
My observation on the reasoning is:
1) A top intake suppresses the GPU exhaust that would otherwise be quickly taken care of by the case fan above, forcing it into the path of the cooler fans. Though you do get fresh air from the top fans, the penalty from allowing more GPU exhaust to be taken in by the cooler is much more severe. Essentially the CPU cooler is now the only route out, short of the hot case air bypassing the cooler through the gap between the rear of the case and the cooler.
2) Running case fans like this increases pressure inside the case and reduces the efficacy of all the case fans, so total airflow is reduced as well.
Never thought the GPU would be affected too!
Plus the exhaust of the PSU get blown down to be taken up by the cpu fan... It just don't make a lot of sense.
Well, it's logical, heated air eventually has to leave the case, if there is too little air going out, the ambient temperature is going to increase, and the CPU's heatsink also takes hot air from all the components.
Best would be two high speed high static fans on the bottom, the GPU on the bottom deshrouded, the bottom fans placed as close to the GPU's heatsink as possible, the top back fan and front fan 25mm, cpu heatsink taking cool air from the mesh side panel or rear.
What would also help i think, would be if the front of the GPU had a fan sucking air blowing out of the GPU directly to the front of the case, since i noticed these spots often having hot pockets, would probably decrease temperature of GPU by a few degrees, but then SSD's on the front may heat up... doesn't help that the front is closed up too, so it might do little.
Hi Mr. NR200! I'd like to suggest what is the best tower cooler? I'm using GIGABYTE B450 I AORUS PRO Wi-Fi motherboard
@@piptaz04 Fuma 2 or C14S (with mesh panel only).
Mugen 5 is also really great, that cooler won't touch the tempered panel.
Nice case you should do a couple videos on it and maybe a review.
lol!
Have you seen the others videos? 🤣🤣 all of then are about this case
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Running the NR200P with TG, Scythe Mugen in rear intake, and a 5 pack of Arctic P12s. Works pretty well and no screws needed!
Specs and temps?
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2 stock + 1 artic for cpu?
Does your arctics resonate above 1100 rpm?
whats your config bro? 2 bottom intake, 2 top exhaust then the other rear exhaust?
Last days i've performed several tests with my nr200, 7 arctic cooling fans (5: 120x25 and 2 slim ones) and 2 different CPU coolers (Noctua NH-C14S and AIO Artic Liquid Cooling 240mm). I've decided to take off the fans from GPU and use fans at the bottom. The priority was to achive lowest temps and volume using stress tests for GPU, then CPU, then during 1hr gaming sessions.
My key findings:
1. Less is more.
I've ended up with Noctua CPU cooler in intake position and 2 Arctic's at the bottom for GPU. With all possible set-ups in this case, this option created only 2C more on CPU but at the same the GPU had 4-5C less (strange but this is the fact, cant argue with numbers). With those 3 fans in total i'm also hearing difference in overall (better) noise. Its much more quiet in idle and stress then with 4+ fans.
I was in to 1 more fan at the top (intake), but there was no diff in temps and additional fans creates more noise.
2. Aftermarket fans > GPU cooling system
I strongly sugget to take off fans from GPU and use two 25x120mm fans at the bottom. This is at least 10C less and aftermarket fans are less noisy. I also strony suggest to put few anti-scratching stickers (like those for furnitures) to the bottom of the fans to make as close as possible to the GPU radiator. This made another 2-3C of a difference and the GPU is now comfortably laying on the fan (it was bending a bit). Also, as i wanted to be able to control those 2 bottom fans according to GPU temps, i've installed Argus Monitor, which a very complex software, one a very few that allows for this kind of linkeage.
3. Air Cooler > AIO's
I was really into AIO. Wanted to have this kind of "modern" tech and i though it will allow for better air ventialtion inside and major improvement in CPU temps. Well.. it might be me or this particular model of Arctic Liquid Cooling 240mm but...
A) The temps were a bit worse then with Noctua C14S (2-3C).
B) The pump and little radiator on the mounting bracket makes calm but irritating sounds. This is very important in idle, when u're able to operate on 300rpms so literally - total silence. But unfortunately, AIO wasn't perfect.
4. RESULTS
IDLE: CPU: 32C | GPU: 25C
STRESS TEST: CPU: 55C | GPU: 62C
GAMING: CPU 48 | GPU: 55C
Now I won't have to worry about getting the Noctua fan black edition, thanks.
This series is a god sent. Great work as always dude!
Hey Man I just wanna say I love your channel. I love how you're focusing on the NR200/200P and just tinkering with the many different configurations. It has definitely given me a lot to think about since I have my NR200P. You have answered almost every question I have regarding this case regarding the cooling capabilities with the TG Panel vs Mesh. the AIO orientation and which one works best. and so much more. You have earned a subscriber and I hope you continue the great work.
For the past 12 years i have been using gaming laptops. And when i finally made my first desktop build after selling those laptop off, i fell in love with your NR200's reviews.
I am pretty content with NH-U12A as exhaust, and Four NF-A12X25, 2 exhaust on top and another 2 intake from the bottom. I used the same specs, with Deshrouded and dowvolted 100mv 1890Mhz Zotac 3080 OC and so far it has been serving me well, and i am satisfied with the performance that this setup provides. It's overkill, but since i am living in the tropics, temps are the only factor i need to take in. Thank you good sir for your wonderful review and suggestions.
What cpu are you using?
@@PetWanties same 3700x
@@blackhowling awesome build mate.
Thanks for testing all these configurations, really excellent work here! I have two possible improvements/tests that could be worth testing.
1) The NH-U12A is simply too big for the NR200P and the air flow is not optimal as it break the bottom to top airflow. Having two fans perpendicular is not ideal too. Pairing it with a NH-U9S instead and using "small brackets" to put the fan/intake at the bottom would keep the airflow bottom/top. Wonder the NH-U12A is really needed here, especially if paired with a 65W TDP processor like AMD 3700X/5600X.
2) I also wonder if slim fans like the NF-A12x15 would yield better result in the bottom too by giving airflow channel 1 more centimeter.
This is the configuration I will try, but unfortunately waiting for the 5600X to be delivered and worst, the RTX3070FE to be available for real.
interested in the south to north bottom top of the NH-U12A as well.. just wondering if the GPU heat would affect it adversely.. anyways do let us know on this update.. thinking of a 5600x AIB 3080/6800xt build
Good point with the over powered cooler. I have almost the same setting, R5 5600 with a RTX 3070 and have ordered low profile coolers (Scythe Shuriken 2, Scythe Big Shuriken 3 and Noctua L9a). I will test them today and see which one will fit best in my setting. Helpful and definitely worth reading was the following review which compared the listed low profile cooler. The Scythe big Shuriken 3 was the best in the comparison, second the Scythe Shuriken 2, third the Noctua L9a. Interesting here, the heat removal could be increased when replacing the 15mm fan vs. 25mm fan but only when go for the ventilated door panel.
www.mitxlove.com/2020/04/12/scythe-Shuriken-2-low-profile-cpu-cooler-review/
Thanks from Germany for this video.
What I find crazy about the NR200 and a 3080 (finally came in!) is how much hot air is being exhausted out of the side panel when in the default bottom position. It's *a lot* and to think of how it stays within the case of the NR200P just kind of blows my mind since it's dumping north of 330 watts out of the box when it's put under load so it's great that you've continuously taken the extra steps to mitigate temps for both as much as possible.
Even just comparing the GPU temps between both is amazing where mine rarely went over 65c out of the box with two Noctua A12x15 as intake with a pretty moderate fan curve. Since I undervolted to 1860 (which can sometimes still boost up to1890) @ 850mv temps rarely go over 56c and shaved off about ~40 watts.
Crazy, right? Compared to many case designs with front to back airflow, this and the NCase M1 directionally just makes sense.
Excellent and thorough coverage as usual!
My experience with adding (2) bottom slim fans in the NR200p with my EVGA 3080 Ultra with the TG and a tower cooler (Cryorig H7 intel 6600k at 4.1GHz) was lackluster at best. It improved GPU temps by 1-2°c at most and without the bottom fans the stock fan curve the GPU seldom gets to 70°c+ This is likely due to the GIANT heatsink and 3 fan configuration.
Due to the slim fans being basically against the GPU it just added turbulence and increase case noise. Fans were removed and returned.
Waiting for Zen 3 to be more widely available to finish my build. The 6600k has been a trooper these last several years and it's time for an upgrade.
Interesting, I’m in sort of the same situation with the 3070 gaming trio. I think the frontmost slim fan is actually acting as the anti-sag device for the gpu, as in the card is resting on it.
I should probably just remove them as well and run the tower cooler as rear intake (using glass panel). Might need something else to keep the gpu from being pushed... those sleeved cables from the SF600 are super stiff and pressing on the backplate.
this channel deserves more love. and subscriptions.
SO helpful. This video and TechSource's "How to Build a PC" step by step guide are all you need to build a system in this case, even if you don't know what you're doing. Your video actually dealt specifically with my setup, which includes the 3070FE. Really appreciate all the work that went into it. I'm afraid to watch the one on the top air coolers. Don't want to find out I bought the wrong one! (ThermalRight Silver Soul 135)
Cool, I was waiting for such a video. Why haven't I watched it yet?
First off I love the detailed content and have a very Merry Christmas.
I have an NR200p with 4 120mm Noctua fans (bottom slim) 92mm rear fan
Asus X570 MB
AMD RX6800 XT
RYZEN 5 3600
750W Corsair 80+ platinum with sleeved cables
16GB 3600 TEAMGROUP t force dark ram. Noctua NH-L9a but looking into tower cooling. Thanks again for your hard work. FYI slim fans under my GPU WORKED WONDERS
i have no idea what im doing and i cant tell you how helpful this info is! thanks to your testing i may not fry my new computer lmao
Glad it helped!
Great video! I didn't know you can screw in the side panel. Good info
Thanks! This is an amazingly detailed review and recommendation on case fan. I really appreciated your insights and loved your presentation style. :)
Hey I would love to see an analysis of different tower coolers with the tg as I’ve seen some that fit in the vented panel no longer work with the tg. Additionally, it would be interesting to see how the diffrent tower coolers fair with the reduction of airflow from the tg. Thanks for all the great work on the NR200!
convinced be to go water cooled for this case. Thankyou.
I just want to thank you for all your videos regarding NR200/P! Now I know what cooling setup for both mesh and TG. I'll be waiting for your Pure Rock 2 video soon to finalize my cooling solution.
This is exactly what I needed. Thank you!
I am loving this series of videos about the NR200... And this video just answered my doubts about the tempered glass set-up... I would love to see how the thermals will go without a high end tower radiator like the noctua, but with a low cost cooling option like the Arctic Freezer 34 eSports duo... And check if the thermals go up too much
Thanks! I have a very similar setup but did not realize I could do rear intake for the cpu cooler until I saw your video! One more thing to add is that if you have a very large GPU like the 3090 FE, you should get the slim fans for bottom intake because the case fans would not fit.
For the 4x fans, how about a comparison of all fan intake with CPU tower as exhaust vs bottom intake, top exhaust with CPU tower as intake
I was also thinking about the top fans as intake config to feed the CPU tower with fresh air and exhaust it in the rear, it makes sense
I had that as a secondary consideration- was concerned about the fans being less effective from pressure build up. I’ll run that test and see.
@@MachinesMore I'm not a pro in fluid dynamics but logic tells me that with the design of 3080 FE and a top exhaust, it seems that it will kinda choke the CPU cooler running as exhaust, thus the top intake (cooler exhaust)/top exhaust (cooler intake) suggestions. Thanks for the reviews and testings!
@@BCdesu I ran the test and immediately was reminded why that was a bad config. I pinned a comment with details above. I do not recommend running any form of rear exhaust, glass or vented, with the Ampere FE cards because the top exhaust of the FE cards puts the exhaust directly into the path of the cooler. In theory top intake with the 3080 would be the worst config for both CPU and GPU.
In fact the top exhaust is ideal for the FE cards- picture it this way, top exhaust comes out the top of the graphics card and is immediately sucked out, without lingering in the case. You might get clean air from the top intake but you're also pushing the hot exhaust down and keeping it in the case, which makes everyone unhappy. With the FE cards, a rear intake is also good for the CPU since you get fresh air, even though there is a slight amount of re-intake of the GPU's exhaust.
@@MachinesMore Thanks! Guess the best config to go would be CPU intake and top exhaust (and bottom intake with extra budget)!
13:00 Finally, people are catching onto the flaws of the Arctic fans. They do growl at high RPMs, especially the 140mm version. And another disadvantage that no one mentions is that they aren't padded with any damping material, so they can induce vibrations in a case. I highly recommend mounting them using "rubber fan screw mounts." The NR200's rubber grommets work well, too.
A work around for using the Noctua cooler is to use low-profile motherboard stand off screws. That should give you the few mm clearance to use the glass panel.
Big shuriken 3 + 4 fans + rear exhaust + side gpu. Winner.
Thank you for your videos! Ended up getting a fuma 2 for my 9900k in the nr200p. It’s so quiet!!
Yup! It's a good cooler with room to grow. If you ever feel limited then a fan upgrade will turn that into a beast.
Hey, thanks for all your coverages of this case. This has been extremely helpful for a first time SFF PC builder like me. What are your thoughts on the Fuma 2 with 2 bottom sickle flow intake and 1 top Noctua NF-A12x25 exhaust? Planning to use the tg panel as well.
Are you still running this setup? if so, how is it performing?
I'm building one NR 200, with 3070 Ti, Bottom Intake, 2 x Noctua nf12x15, Rear Intake 92 mm Sickleflow case fan, Top exhaust 2 x 120 mm p12s,
My CPU tower is vertical mounting meaning the U12s faces upwards, with 120 mm NF12 pushing air upward and that 92 mm sickleflow pulling inwards. Its a bit of a mix and match from all of your AIR cooling solutions for NR200 so far.
Mesh side panels
Your in depth NR200 videos are really helping me decide on my next system.
I will be getting a NR200P to give me the best total options and I like to see my gear.
I will have a Ryzen 5 3600 and GTX1660 Super so TDP will be low so maybe will stick with stock fans on bottom and maybe a U12S (harder to get the ID cooling unit in my country).
I will have some spare Cooler Master case fans from my current NR400 to add to the top. Or maybe some matching Noctuas for the top.
Awesome! For the 1660 super fans aren’t super imperative- it’s a relatively cool GPU, while I’m the fans would help, this is a card that you don’t have to spend too much to help run cool. Plus the impact on the rest of the case isn’t as pronounced since it is a mid range card in terms of TDP.
Since the optimal airflow is from bottom to top, I wonder why they went with the choice to not put a easily removable dust filter on the top. My case top gets dirty very fast and it annoys me a lot! The top panel is not easy to remove unlike the other side panels and often the fan pins keep falling out. Shouldve made the top and bottom just like the side panels.
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Awesome video! I helped my friend build a new NR200 air cooling recently by following your suggestion and he is very satisfied!! Hopefully you will be doing a review for Lian Li O11 mini.
Thank you again.
How about gluing some neodymium magnets to the side panel for a magnetic hold? The magnets would also add a little thickness to help with the glass panel hitting the heat pipes. You sould use two stacked magnets if you needed even more space.
I use neodymium magnets with my Nouvolo Steck as the stock magnets suck.
Very informative!
Your content has been invaluable to me as I start to build in the nr200p
Great work! Keep it up. I hope your channel grows quickly :)
I'm still a little confused as to the best configuration for my upcoming build. Will be running a Ryzen 5600x and RTX3080 in the normal vented side configuration (no TG panel). From what I can understand around the 3 minute mark, I should be running a tower cooler in intake configuration, 2 exhausts at the top, and 2 intakes at the bottom. Is that correct? If so, that should work well as I'll likely look to deshroud the GPU in future, which will cause less turbulence conflict with the intakes at the bottom.
Hey- you’re correct- that’s the orientation I’d recommend for both TG and vented with an extremely high TBP GPU. Deshrouding may help the GPU, at least in terms of noise.
How were the Noctua NF-A12x15mm SLIM, Chromax? I'm planning on putting 2 as exhaust in my system. I was also thinking of putting the one above my fuma 2 and intake and the one above my psu as exhaust. Is this smart?
The slim Noctuas are the best slim fans you can get. In general you’d want to run all fans running air in the same direction, the mixed direction just adds turbulence and things don’t work as well. So I would run both as exhaust overhead. If you’re using an SFX PSU that fan over the PSU can be a 25mm one.
@@MachinesMoresadly it is sfx l, and there are no chromax 25mm nf a12's. Planning on returning these sometime in January when they launch the chromax 25mm and I can grab an sf750. My aorux extreme 3080 and 3900xt are a MICROWAVE.
Gotcha- yeah, then a slim is probably the best you can do. Are you set on the SF750? Check out the channel on Tuesday next week for another option.
@@MachinesMore interesting.
Please in next tower coolers with TG panel comparison take in consideration the Cryorig H7 too! It’s the one I want to buy because I’m concerned about all this heatpipe touches the glass thing with coolers like Scythe Fuma 2, Mugen 5 and Noctua NH-U12A itself: I think the glass panel can come off and scratch/shatter when transporting the case, even if holded in place with the screws. I come from a nr200 vented panel-aio configuration, but it has bored me because the radiator on side panel doesn’t allow to show components inside the case, so I want to switch to a TG panel-aircooled configuration. As always, excellent job!
Cheers- unfortunately that won't be tested in this next round but I will see if I can source a review unit to check out. I totally hear you on the transport issue and did not consider it- thank you for bringing that up. Another issue is actually most manufacturers will warn you to take the cooler off for extended transport since there is the possibility of excessive leverage on the mobo anyway. For your needs- have you considered a Noctua U9s?
@@MachinesMore Thanks for the reply! I’ve actually considered U9S but I’d like to put 120mm rgb fans on the cooler like the ones I’ve mounted on the top to create a nice effect. Guess I’ve to wait for your next video to know if the other coolers you’re gonna review with TG panel on are suitable for me, since I own an Aorus X570 too :)
Another great and detailed video for this awesome case. Could you also recommend/test some low profile coolers with the glass panel and vertical GPU mount - that will be very interesting if you are going for the looks, but also care for airflow optimization.
Honestly, from your previous videos it didn't look like bottom gpu fans were this important, but now they almost look necessary. My planned build has 5600x, U12a as an intake and probably a 3080 with no bottom fans, but now i should reconsider the airflow direction of the heatsink
They’re not critical for the vented panel but definitely recommended for the TG. For 3080 for sure, rear intake. Couldn’t even get the OC to stick with rear exhaust with a 3080.
I have to say these small cases sure does get your mind going on what's the best way to cram everything in to get good airflow and I'm to the point it's time to separate the GPU from the rest of the case to get best airflow
Great, informative and straight to the point! Have been enjoying your videos for the past 2 months while waiting to actually get my NR200P here in Germany. It finally arrived today- so this is great timing. Now all I need is for my 5900X to arrive and to try and get a 6800XT and will be good to go. Would there be any changes in fan recommendation with this build and the tempered glass? Seems pretty consistent with what you shared in this video? If only the U12-A came in black as well!
@@Guy_on_CZcams Nice! Was hoping to use the NF-A12x15 Noctua's or maybe the slim version. Also not sure how it will help. Actually being able to buy the card will be the first challenge I think! :(
same. i do back intake cpu cooler, fan in from bottom and out from top. cpu temp goes down about 5-10 compare to cpu exhaust. probably because it dows use hot air from gpu and use cool air from the back of the case instead. gpu temps stay trhe same.
You could flip the right Top fan for intake and the left for exhoust and cooloer exhoust
Tested this- 76.8/73.9 CPU/GPU normalized to 25C, it's within measurement error of using 2X fans with cooler exhaust (77.1/74.0). Bottom in, top exhaust, that's how this case should work best. The top fan as an intake suppresses the GPU exhaust and just raises the ambient case air temp, which causes the CPU cooler to get stifled.
I changed to from rear exhaust to rear intake and it dropped my under load CPU temps 17c! GPU temps only increased by 2C under load. Card is a 3070 strix, no bottom intake fans. Tempered Glass Panel.
Very nice Video , much Information for me :) , i will stick with Fuma2 or Frost spirit 140 for the Nr200p and hell yeah i sticked with the Halo's too .. you read my brain damn :D
With the Fuma 2, would you rotate the cooler to have the slim fan face the rear of the case when doing CPU intake or do you think it could handle it fine facing the "normal" way?
Great video. I was just about to pull the trigger on a Fuma 2 for my NR200 (non-P) setup but will now wait for your next video. Seeing as I got the NR200, I only got one of the 120mm fans, was looking at grabbing 2x Arctic Cooler for the bottom already and possibly the top. My system isn't all that great, i5-8400 stock with an RX580 8GB Gaming X (use the system as a dual boot hackintosh) so I don't really need a whole lot. I only game on rare occasion (LoTRO, GW2) and don't run anything at super high detail or anything but want to keep the system cool and quiet as possible.
So with that said, new tower cooler will be in the works based on your next video (potentially Fuma2) in intake mode, with 4x 120mm running via PWM at 800rpm? Sounds like a fairly quiet and cool setup.
I freaking love the NR200P because it's so versatile as an ITX case but I feel there could be 2 things that CM could've done.
1. Make it a little bigger in terms of width and maybe height like 5mm? I understand it's a big case for an ITX but why not just a little more? It could accommodate SFX-L PSU without interference with big GPUs and 25mm thick fans on the top, in addition it could support some great tower coolers which are shy of a few mm right now!
2. Support for top mounted AIOs. As much as I love the tool-less system I feel that it's the only optimal place to mount an 240 AIO as per GN.
Perhaps they could revise it in the next update!
Just my 2cents.🙂
Good points. For tempered glass users I personally would have preferred top rad compatibility vs bottom fan compatibility (if one had to choose) since that opens up more possibilities for folks, ie ability to run an AIO without vGPU. Usually the GPU can handle itself, even if some help is nice from bottom fans.
I ditched the TG altogether, bottom is slim 240 rad with two A12x15 fans as intake, top is two A12x25 as exhaust, side is single slim 120 rad with A12x25. Cooling 5900X with RTX 2080 Ti. Quite happy with thermals (tolerable, considering rather conservative t/RPM curve) and more than acceptable acoustics.
Couldn't find any tests with psu on a front panel.. easier cable management, doesn't cover cpu fan.
Hey Machines & More :) Love your coverage of this case !
I am wondering, can you mount an AIO on top ? Even with that top palen, is it possible?
And if it works... could one use ANOTHER AiO on the regular mesh sideplate ?
kreygazm.....!
The only way to mount an AIO on the top is to do the "upside down" NR200 mod. It's a bit of a shame.
Very cool video. Could you try deshrouding the gpu, and running the bottom fans (and rear) as exhaust? Also - were you able to try both tall and slim gpus? i feel like distance between the card and the tempered glass panel should matter quite alot for the airflow.
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Great content again, thank you! Will you be testing any of new ryzens in NR200?
Yes! Will be doing a full build with the 5600X. No real concerns with the thermals, even a 3900x is a piece of cake on air or water for this case.
Would really like to see a Noctua cooler push/pull from the bottom up.
I used a big shuriken 3 with a 20mm fan, vertical gpu, and 4 fans in push pull from bottom to top, best setup I've found for this case. I'm matching or beating these thermals with a 2080 super.
Does the performance change when you rotate the CPU cooler, having 2 fans pointing upward instead? Or is it not possible?
I wonder this as well 🤔
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Greta videos and very informative! I have a question though, I plan on using the lian li 240 aio. Is the top fan supposed to be an intake fan and the rear one exhaust, correct? And if I wanted to add another one up too would I have to change any air flow direction with my case fans? I plan on only having 2 or 3 case fans tops.
Great video, too bad this review is sorely missing the vertical GPU mounting position.
I plan on running a BeQuiet! Shadow Rock LP CPU air cooler with Noctua LP fan, giving me just over 10mm space from the vertical GPU. My take is that the intake fans from bottom should be able to provide enough air for both CPU and GPU as air would be able to go through the gaps between CPU cooler/GPU backplate and GPU fans/glass panel. What do you think?
I wanted to transition into NR200P but I really don't wanna change my CPU cooler. Currently using NH-L9a and seems like it's not gonna do well.
The L9A/L9i work fine for the Ryzen 5’s at lower clocks. Basically they at least match the stock cooler performance but in a low profile packageS
Do slim fans fit in the top mounting area? I saw someone say they didn't work with the toolless mounting solution. Is that true?
They will, with the right cooler. U12A fits two 25mm fans anyway. I’d just take the mesh off and mount it with screws. Most likely will cover this mod when doing the custom loop build.
@@MachinesMore Thanks for the response! I'm likely going to go with the C14S, since I've got the mesh panel. Keep up the great work!
I think it also depends on your motherboard, some of the gigabyte boards have the CPU higher up and that might mean u don't have enough space for top fans with a c14s
Thanks for this content. will be building with the nr200p but am still waiting for AIB RX 6000 series. Was planning to do a vertical GPU mount. Do you have tests on this kind of setup?
I’ve done a few tests and the only reason to do so is for putting a radiator on the bottom. Air cooling with a low profile cooler doesn’t work well in this scenario. If you take a look at the review in the MSI Coreliquid there are a few tests with the vertical GPU.
@@MachinesMore will check the review . thanks a lot.
Have you considered rotating a tower cooler by 90 degrees and putting a fan on the bottom side for a push configuration? My intuition is saying it might fit the bottom to top airflow the best.
Everything intake, Top exhaust.
GPU horizontal intake, CPU intake, Power Supply Intake, 2 extra bottom fans intake.
Two top fans Exhaust. I can’t tell if you tried that.
Correct. That is the optimal config if running a hot GPU with bottom fans.
@@MachinesMore dope. Glad you were able to test. I had theories. Just no money to invest.
Thank you.
Love your work man! Do you think the noctua s12a or the nfa12 are most optimal for top exhaust fans? Which is the quietest and is the quiter option optimal for airflow in this case?
Cheers- most effective, you could run NF-A12x25 at a higher RPM for the same noise level, they’re the best 120mm fan for sure. I don’t think it’s necessary but for sure, if you want more airflow without a noise penalty those are the way to go.
So I've finally finished my build in the nr200 thanks to your amazing vids on the case. I've got myself a 3700x with an L12S and all the optimal fan placements you recommend in your low profile vids, and have a 1660 super atm (two top exhausts, side panel mounted fan pointed at a rotated L12S with the fan on top blowing air towards mobo, two bottom fans below gpu as intake, mesh side panel). Reckon I could get away with upgrading to a 6800xt/3080 down the line without changing anything else in the build (got an sfx 750w plat psu)?
I found that when I put the upper fans with one exhaust on top of the cpu and the other for intake would make the cpu temp lower by 1-2 degrees. I do have two intake fans at the bottom for gpu and one 90mm fan for rear exhaust. That seems to be the perfect temp setup for me.
With the glass panel?
@@espen990 yes
@@espen990 But with my setup, the gpu temp would raise by 1-2 degree too. I am using 2070S with 3 gpu fans and the temp never go beyond 67c when gaming. So it is fine with me. :-)
After watching few of your videos I got this maybe crazy idea - if it would be possible to fit AIO on the bottom, deshroud GPU and stick some slim fans between them. Then rest of the case is free and other fans could intake/exhaust air depending on setup on the bottom. What do you think?
What is the optimal airflow for NR200 (vented side panel), 6 core CPU and 3080 non FE model? Should we use C14S or U12A? Should we try to find gpu with cut backplate (visible heatsink from the back) like Asus TUF model or it doesn't matter? Should we deshroud the gpu, and did you test using bottom fans as exhaust on deshrouded gpu?
i have two fans on top (exhaust) and two slim Noctua fans on bottom (intake) and a 92mm Noctua (as exhaust for now) with a CPU Cooler Mugen 5 with fan exhausting out. Lots of Fans! Machines & More. What are your thoughts?
Thank your for all the work you put into your videos, super helpful. What would you suggest for the *quietest* AND most efficient air cooling setup for an NR200, with say an RTX 3080 and a 5800x? I've watched the series but still left wondering about this.
Of course! A rear intaking Noctua NH-U12A is a good choice for noise perception (different than technical noise pressure which is measurable), since it uses two of the smooth sounding NF-A12x25s. The C14S + NF-A12x25 pull fan combo is also good, the only reason I rank that marginally lower than the U12A is that potentially, depending on which side of your case faces you, the rad fan can seem louder due to the proximity to the exterior panel. Also at least to my ears, the A14 stock fan is a little more rough sounding at high RPMs, even if the measured decibel level is the same. Otherwise, from a technical sound perspective both are very good options.
@@MachinesMore Really appreciate you taking the time to answer my question my dude. Thank you!
Great videos, huge help, specially in cooling solutions.
If I wanted to put 2 top case fans exhausting (P12), how far should the case be from a surface flat? The nr200p fits really nice in a shelving near my desk, but it only has 4.5cm to the upper shelf.
have you tested the air setup with the cpu cooler facing up/down with air flow going up? this would encourage the bottom to top air flow as the case was designed.
This bloody case won´t come in stock here and Denmark, and it´s pissing me of. They keep delaying it
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I have a Arous Extreme 3080, Ryzen 5 5600X and a Vetroo U6 Pro, intake on the rear, cpu cooler fans as well intake and both on top exhaust, cant fit on the bottom since the card is massive, i manage to get temp no higher tan 65C on the CPU and the GPU is undertvolt so is around the same 65c to 70c on full load. Wonder is a lower profile cpu cooler will provide better aire flow since the vetroo is big
I have the NR200 Non-Glass Panel and I'm looking for a pure Air Flow setup.
I'm considering 2 140s as an intake for the side panel and 2 exhaust top, 2 intakes at the bottom, and 1 rear exhaust. as for CPU cooler, I'm sticking with Stock for the time being and may switch to non-Tower cooler later on.
Thoughts? Opinions? Advice?
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Ha ha. Let's just agree the NR200 is one heck of a machine. :)
We don't need more than the NR200.
@@CaveyMoth Maybe the NR200 v2. I saw a Chinese case that mimics the NR200 with a few "upgrades" that users had been begging for, such as ATX PSU bracket adapter and supp for mATX MoBo.
I have Scythe Fuma 2 that combined with MSI B450I has enough space to fit two full size 25mm fans at top with about 1 CM of clearance in between in NR200. With this in mind, would I better off with having 2 fans (the ones included with the NR200P) mounted at the top or at the bottom? Thank you
I wonder if 2 bottom fans (intake), 2 top fans (exhaust) was your base setup...would 2 more fans on the side panel (intake) makes a difference?
What is the clearance compatibility like with high TDP cards and placing the stock fans on the bottom?
Sorry if you mentioned this in the video... does the x570 aorous have the same higher cpu socket placement that the B550i aorous? There's lots of reports of not being able to fit in a 25mm exhaust fan on top of the cpu using larger heatsinks e.g. Fuma 2, Mugen 5 etc... did you experience this?
What If I only have two 120mm case fans and use one case fan as a top exhaust and one fan as a bottom intake? Or should I use both fans in a single 2X config? atm I only have a two-fan RTX2060
isnt rear intake gonna make dust build up faster ?
If you run a blower style card then running rear intake would be a bad choice sinds you intake all the hot air of the gpu. Have you tested temps with a blower style card also or just regular cards witch exhaust into the case?
Have you posted a video or do you plan on posting a video testing air cooling with the vertical gpu setup?
Hello interested in building in the NR200P case. I have a few questions about it:
1. Can I fit a 240mm AIO below when using a compatible matx motherboard?
2. With the config above can it also fit a vertical gpu?
3. Can I use an atx psu with the same config or stick with sfx psu?
You can also suggest other case in the price bracket of around the same price
Thanks everyone trying to fit everything in a smaller case and NR200 seems fit for me :)
My gpu would fill the whole bottom of this case, no room for fans. I want to keep the glass panel. Is this even possible with good cooling? my gpu has 3 fans that would all flow down I think.
Does the NH-U12A allow top fans with the higher offset cpu socket on the MSI and gigabyte aorus 550 mobos? Great information as usual btw! Your series on the NR200 is amazing.
I’m running the gigabyte b550i, U12A with the 2 included fans up top, fitment was fine
@@neilhr Ahh cool thanks for the info I think that is the setup I'm going to go for too.
Should be the same as the X570-I Aorus. MSI from what I’ve seen is about the same as Gigabyte.
Tbh this makes me extremely curious if there's any way to get shorter motherboard standoffs so you can fit the cooler
You can- couple things, the lovely backplate for the X570 board would have to come off and (bigger problem) I/O will be misaligned. I’d further shield off the panel with electrical tape.
Hi, so I don’t know whether you are going to react on this. I love your series as I tend to get the nr200 myself. I’m going to get a i9 9900k with a 3070 when it’s available. I don’t really use that many cpu heavy tasks, so my gpu is the main thing that has to stay cool. The thing is: where I live, the C14s(109€) is more expensive than the U12a(98€). I don’t mind spending more money if it works better. So I also looked at your aio vids and found the nzxt kraken x63 and ther Corsair H115i. I’m a little worried that an aio in this case wil get malfunctions due to little space. What would you, or anyone else recommend? Have a nice day and thanks again for the series, you’ve helped me out tremendously
Nice video! May I ask if the provided case fans will fit at the bottom of the case if you have a 52mm graphics card? If not, what fan would you recommend as bottom fans for the gpu size I mentioned?
Cheers! Nope, you will have to with slim fans. For slim, static pressure fans IMO there’s only one solid choice and that’s the Noctua NF-A12x15mm (links in description) They come in both Chromax and regular.
Would it make sense to use a tower with one pull fan and then a 120 fan installed to the back of the case as exhaust? That way it is pulling the cooler exhaust as well as other exhaust?
Have you tried smaller mobo standoffs? I remember seeing it mentioned on Reddit but there was no follow up. Would love to see that tested.
With the right board it might, although I’d put electrical tape over the panel just in case something could short out. It wouldn’t work with the X570 board I use since the board has a backplate that sits flush against the panel.
Will this affect the way the case PCI-E slots line up with the mobo?
@@MachinesMore Ah, assuming it's non-removable back plate. Well if you get a chance it would be cool to see. This was the thread in question, www.reddit.com/r/coolermaster/comments/ibw36s/nr200p_standoff_screw/
Thank you for all the great content.
@@CaveyMoth No clue. I haven't tried. Most people say that the Fuma is only a mm too tall (sometimes), depends on the heat pipe lottery.