Apple River stabbing trial: Nurse details Miu's injuries
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- Ashley Hoffman said Miu reported injuries, including getting hit in the back and back of the head but did not report any pain. The only pain he reported was his butt from falling on the rocks in the river. He also reported blood on his ear but no injuries to his ear were found.
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The fact that the defendant lied about the knife and also that he hid the knife. Very important details.
Exactly.
He told her he turned a knife back onto a victim but also had his own knife for cutting ropes etc?
Has very few injuries really consistent with falling in the water.
He stabbed 5.
Issac died.
AJ? Was dead the only time you use CPR for 9 mins.
He also changed his appearance & tried to duck away.
Not oh my lord help they attacked me!
He walked away leaving the kids to die so he could hide the knife and then acted like he didn't know why they arrested him wow so many things the man did from the start.
If your ok after that and you don't even try to call for help for the kids even if he's the one that did it he went and hid the knife and then went on his friend and friends knew what he did his friend walked up there and acted like it was nothing and walked away .
Not really important in determining self defense here or did he attack them intentionally??? It’s irrelevant like his lies as the jury only looks at the laws and determine how evidence proves either self defense or he assaulted in revenge to mame them leading to a murder and nearly 2 more murders!
I really like this judge and how professionally the court room is being run!
He seems to have a good command of the room without being overbearing.
@@bartwieden you bet! Some of these recent trials have been a circus. This professionalism is refreshing.
I don't like him.
Judge from "Night Court"
M@@BabyShark-kd9jl
The grown man lies to the police about - I hear someone was stabbed and I fit the description he said. Then he said a guy (which would have been AJ) had the knife I turned his wrist into his stomach. So first lies about knowing about the event then lies about how and why he stabbed AJ. This was not self defense when you see he walks away from the teens then comes charging back 10-20 mins later with nobody from his group, just him while he checks for his knife. Watch the video it’s clear he went back over with the intent to use that weapon. He opens it before he punches the girl. Why open a knife but not use it if you’re scared enough to need to open a knife? Instead strikes a girl gets hit for doing so which makes sense because they were defending a girl getting hit. Then stabs and guts someone before even getting back to his feet. I feel he was looking for a reason to use that knife.
Exactly. It seems like all his fascist domestic violence support base are in here claiming he’s innocent when he was clearly the instigator the entire event.
Truth!
And the first stab victim was a girl that wasn’t interacting with him anymore.
Yeah he’s a psychopath! Something is wrong with him mentally! They now hint PTSD but he was psychotic and should have been on different medications!
Any evidence of him punching female? Or just the word of all the liars? They effed around and found out. Not guilty.
She was a good witness! Very credible! Clear and concise!
Being in the medical field with a M.A. in the exact field. I have more than one DISCREPANCIES with her approach as well as many many more discrepancies with her evaluation and reporting, or shall i say lack of details in her reports. I reviewed some photos and she missed many things her in report it is truly baffling.
I agree! She isn't supposed to add anything when testifying and is bound by the law on what evidence she is allowed to collect. It is very specific training and a very regimented examination. Answering questions during the proceedings doesn't allow for expanding on what you can answer.
I ConCur!
@@derrickforeal
I more than agree ! The statement / documentation is
woefully inadequate. Red flags galore( Dr.)
I find it strange how she doesn‘t recall so many details when a case is that extraordinary.
So the suspect stated that one of the victims pulled a knife on him , and then he stabbed the victim .
After the stabbing police had to go find him, now if it was self defense why wouldn’t you have stayed on the scene and fully cooperated with law enforcement? Fishy !
Maybe because he didn't know there was a video clearly showing he was harassed and attacked . I'd have been afraid as well
Because NO knife was pulled on him, ever
Because he was lying to the cops the whole time after he stabbed those people. He later admitted to his ex wife it was his knife he was carrying that day. So he lied about the knife, lied about being attacked when he threw the first punch sucker punching a woman and then lied further trying to pretend he’d heard about a stabbing and that the suspect looked like him when he had in fact done the stabbing. He also attempted to destroy evidence by tossing the knife, which no person would do if they truly feared for their life (tossing away their weapon).
He wasn't in fear for his life until after he stabbed 5 woman and young folk.
Thats when he goes into cover up mode.
No doubt the kids were being jerks. But so he was in fear for his life because he was being told to leave by everyone? So much that he rushed on the kids and is seen smiling? And then took the knife out and punched the girl who is telling him to leave? It's fair to say the girl was within her right to be in fear for her life at that point. That's an unexpected and unpredictable response, what else is he going to do? Well, we know now. Both parties should have walked away but him being an adult should've done it first, especially ex military. He knew he was creeping them out. He stayed to play.
He has a few scratches, one young man died and one seriously injured. That man is crazy.
You are crazy.
who defended himself from an alcoholic and drug addict "kid" .
@Raquel-ry5ry The man walked up on them. He then hit a lady. He was the aggressor. Had he not walked up on them like a crazy man none of this would have happened. People that are scared enough to kill someone doesn't give their group a wave and a smile then spend 10 seconds digging thier knife out. They get out of the situation. It's one heck of a coincidence that he hit that lady right after he got his knife out.
The entitled drunk girls started the whole thing. And as usual a dude paid with his life. Now they’re all lying and playing victim. Disgusting. They all have his blood on their hands.
@Raquel-ry5ry
Nonsense. He was the aggressor the entire time. He approached them, refused to leave when asked, threw the first punch and he did the stabbing,
Dude flat out lied about one of the kids pulling a knife on him and he supposedly turned it around on him. This guy is so guilty it's ridiculous.
Lmao. And the kids have been truthful this whole time? Ok, simp. Clearly you haven’t seen the video of what transpired and the trial videos of their testimonies.
All those kids lied too so everyone is even there.
Import part is was it in self defense or not ? The lies don’t matter in the end
I feel it was self defense
He's such a liar. Lies are lies, but lying about little things and lying about them having a knife is ridiculous.
So Miu stated to her "a guy pulled a knife on me. I took his wrist and turned it into his belly." Miu needs to be required to identify the guy who pulled a knife on him. Seems he told different authorites different stories. GUILTY.
They’ve all told different stories. The kids have been coached into saying certain things and going against what they told law enforcement in the beginning. They know they effed up and they’re trying to turn it back on him. The person holding the camera and shouting slurs at Miu should be held accountable as well. That was animalistic behaviour, unnecessary and led to 4 stabbings.
It was made very clear, that was his own knife.
@@ladymuck2151good to see another crazy person out themselves to the public. You have been documented and this will be used for when they open up the asylums again 😊
@@ladymuck2151
Didn't you hear the nurse explain about trauma & injuries?
Have you actually watched the video. That’s the problem in today’s world, something can be plain as day yet people still find some way of blaming someone else. The guy defended himself. Who’s cares what he said afterwards
Interesting how the defence questioned this nurse about trauma and how it would effect his memory. All these online bullies have been commenting on how the youngsters couldn’t remember or misremembered and called them liars, but this defence attorney pointing out how trauma affects recall. That is something the prosecution should have made very clear, when he was presenting this case and questioning the youngsters.
Never once did defense call them liars, common sense shows that he is pointing out memories form even when that didn't happen which is also the case for the defendant. Duh!!!
I haven’t listened to this part but she has very little training on trauma. That’d be psych.
I think those teenagers might have poor memories because they were all absolutely plastered drunk and high. 😅
@@Psychiatricnerd You need to pay closer attention to the video.
@@worsethanjoerogan8061 That’s exactly right, plus they were many and he was one and an elderly man
Everything Miu did AFTER the incident eg. discarding the knife, leaving the scene, not calling or going to the police, lying about the facts to everyone, etc. All clearly show that he felt what he had done was wrong and that he screwed up. If the police had not found him, he would NEVER have come forward. Please stop defending this murderer. There have been zero facts in this case that justify his actions. Period.
Him thinking he did wrong or feeling guilty does not mean he broke the law.
@@jedimaster1445him hiding it WAS.
So the man was looking for his cell phone he kick gets accused of being a pedophile. He said he was looking for a little girl he gets surrounded by a mob of young, drunk, high football players. He has a woman up in his face screaming blocking his way to leave. He gets punched in the face knocks down the water and gets slapped several times, and he’s not allowed to defend his self in my day we would’ve walked up and asked me if we could’ve helped him find his cell phone.
@@jamesjoste8655 from what I saw of the trial, he instigated, threw the first punch, didn't vocalize his desire to leave or deescalate or anything else, pulled out his knife, stabbed a girl in the back and instead of warning anyone away with slashing motions and saying "get back, I have a knife" , he proceeds to aim at bellies and hearts in upward stabbing motions . The young people didn't even have time to register that he had a knife until they were gutted. Not self defense.
Exactly. What is wrong with people.
It was five hours after the attack yet he had no bruises.
That’s why I am suspicious of this nurse. How is that possible? We all saw the attack on video…
She was examining him as a homicide suspect, NOT as a victim.
@@dragonbone5000they were kids they didn’t have the strength to hurt him and inflict visible damage. That’s why none of it was visible.
@@robertsylvester354218 year old boys are stronger than a middle aged man. You are just entering your prime strength at that age. Good try thoigh
@@allytrudie864There was only one 17 year old. The rest of the “kids” were 20-24 years old.
@@robertsylvester3542 bruh the one kid is a wrestler/football player and lifts weights and considers himself strong in his testimony, the kid that recorded it all.
The murderer defendant lied to the cops the whole time after he stabbed those people. He first lied and claimed he took the knife off one of the kids and later admitted to his ex wife it was his knife he’d been carrying that day. So he lied about the knife, lied about them approaching him when it was he who was on the right side of the river who waded across the river to interact with them on the left side of the river, lied about being attacked when he threw the first punch sucker punching a woman and then lied further trying to pretend he’d heard about a stabbing and that the suspect looked like him when he had in fact done the stabbing. He also attempted to destroy evidence by tossing the knife, which no person would do if they truly feared for their life (tossing away their weapon).
He also stabbed the girl for no reason and then stabbed Tony for trying to break it up and touching his shoulder. You don't get to stab ppl for touching your shoulder
Exactly, I have no idea why people are having such a hard time figuring this out. Yes it was a group of teens drinking, but they weren't beating the shisa out of him or anything. He literally stabbed 5 teens, murdered one and tossed the knife and lied all the way through. Crazy!!
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Plus he left them to die his friend left them to die also he should be in trouble too.
that woman he hit? she assaulted him FIRST - ITS ON VID , she shoved him ! he had every right to smak her - SHE literally got in that fight not knowing what was going on - her assault SET the whole tragedy in motion. BTW
Wonder how those young folks could have avoided getting stabbed. Maybe not accusing a perfect stranger of being a creeper and attacking him. After heart surgery , your outlook changes in life. You feel vulnerable. Bummer all around in this one. I never float the river anymore. Too many crazies at every bend
Water doesn't remove bruises. He had no bruises in the areas he claims he was struck.
I dont bruise ive be punched and not a mark it doesnt mean anything wow so simple minded some idiots are
And water doesn't stop your ear from bleeding. Smh he claims his ear was bleeding and he washed it off in the river. Then seeing these little puny scratches on his back is laughable
Redness, swelling and bruising often doesn't appear until the passage of time, depending on several variables
@@jamesbroomfield7799 The video shows he was assaulted lol! What we don’t see is him hitting two belligerent and aggressive women!
@@jordanhawkins5749It's almost like "hitting a girl" didn't happen and it's these teens bs justification for their moblike behavior and assault.
He had no purpose going back by the kids with a knife if he had no intention to harm them. And that's exactly what he did
When did he "go back"? They followed him.
That's why his goose is cooked. Maybe if they were out at night on the boardwalk in atlantic city, but in a water park? He's going to jail for life.
@@stoneneils well, you can dream; that's a weird way to describe a river... where you from?
@@stoneneils he had the knife the entire time on his shorts lol
There is no record of that? What are you talking about?
He had a coronary bypass. An elevated heart rate is not shocking. He likely has blood pressure issues.
Jury may not know that though lol
So he has the right to stab whatever makes his heart flutter?
Gee. What ticking time bombs this would create.
@@Dont.Call.Me.Tall. Nobody said that, Bob. Keep moving.
Someone claiming to be weak and fragile would get away with using a gun. Buy if you're weak and fragile, how tf are you going to run around a river and then stab ppl. It takes a decent amount of force, strength and effort to stab someone. He obviously was perfectly fine because if he was so weak, why go down the river chasing teens thst were sitting in their tubes? Smh.
@@Dont.Call.Me.Tall.that’s not what happened but stay dishonest.👍🏾
They’re tiny scratches …. Jeeez 🤦🏽♀️
Paper cuts hurts just as much .
@@Theresa89If not more.
So he fell in a river full of rock probably
@@JulieTobin-Ruszczyk He literally and figuratively got butthurt and murdered a teenager over it. I'm assuming that his bruised ego was the injury that hurt him the most and was the motivation behind his attempt to slaughter everyone within arms reach.
i know right my dog sratches me worse than that!!
Good grief if he didn’t have pain 5+ hours after the incident then I doubt there is much acute pain.
That is not necessarily the case. Acute pain does not always morph into sub-acute or residual pain.
he got slapped and pushed by skinny minor teenage boys with girl bodies of course there's no injury on mr. mui guys a pyscho
HES GUILTY
@@warmlantern0000 yes, he is. Exactly. Prayers the jury sees it that way too.
@@warmlantern0000You didn't watch the full length video nor listen to all the testimony.
Defense attorneys showing insignificant red scratches, trying to show Mui acted in self-defense. Miu murdered a 17 year old by stabbing Issac's chest going though two of Isaac's ribs and cutting Isaac's heart. Mui gutted a kid as if he was a fish, AJ's heart stopped twice one for 9 minutes. Stabbed the girl who had to have major surgery. Miu stabbed two others.
Self-defense is great bodily harm, this is not self defense, it is overkill.
And he never tried to verbally deescalate the situation. Which was weird to say the least.
The defendant had beyond violent killer psychopath serial killer tendencies. It’s beyond self defense he will be found guilty
Exactly what I thought seeing this! Overkill not defending yourself and retreating once your immediate threat is over.
He stabbed everyone once, one person had an extra scratch. How is that overkill? The whole thing lasted like 6 seconds (the actual stabbing) He was surrounded & being assaulted by multiple people. You're insane.
AJ was disembowelled!His guts were outside his body! He killed Isaac and by some miracle AJ lived against all the odds.He went into cardiac arrest 2 times ! He most likely has intestinal issues from the damage.
He stabbed multiple people and had blood on his ear that he washed off in the river, but no visible injury to the ear. Why would the prosecution not point out it was likely not his blood? Defense is making it out like it was evidence of him being injured. The prosecution is not present really. I mean they let the defense ask all the victims about their memory and challenge their memory with step by step through the video, but the prosecution barely challenges Miu's wife and friends when their memories and statements are clearly bs. They just said he was on PTSD medicine at the time. For what? Did he forget to take it? Are there blood levels for him for anything? Where is his medical history to see what his normal bp and heart rate are? Where are the questions about how often do victims lie about how they injured their attacker? He never seemed rattled or in shock. His group floated on down the river of blood past the victims and nobody talked about anything. Then acted surprised when the police stopped him. Why? What did he do? In the frame by frame, you see his friend look horrified. He saw the water run red with blood, but they all left the horriffic scene by going through it and no one said anything. Wife never asked a single question, but they all say the same bs that is absolutely not believable.
The prosecution is missing on a lot of points. Like Isaac getting stabbed , the defense tries to make it look like Isaac choked miu and did it to just be mean. But Isaac didn't touch miu until after miu stabbed Riley and Tony. Then Isaac comes and shoves miu back with his hands making contact with mius neck and chest. And the way I see it is Isaac came to tge defense of Riley and Tony. Unfortunately we don't get to hear Isaac's pov because miu killed him as Isaac was trying to push him away from Tony. Isaac has rights too. Isaac is entitled to self defense too. He is allowed to defend others he sees in trouble. Why doesn't the prosecution speak for Isaac? They make Isaac lookl like he just wanted to get a lick in on miu but he never touches miu until miu stabs Riley and Tony. That's self defense on Isaac's part. Had Isaac been armed with a gun, he could've shot miu dead after seeing Riley and Tony get stabbed. And it would've been totally justified. So why isn't he justified for using his bare hands? The prosecution is terrible
@jamesbroomfield7799 You're absolutely right 100%...their trying to make it look like these kids wanted trouble n all they wanted vasectomy enjoy their time atvthevriver..but he comes along n starts crap with them I guess bc he seen they had no adult with them n he could get away with a lie. I pray to God thr jury finds him guilty bc this would of never happened if he just did what his friend told him to do was not go looking for the phone. Those kids have to live with this truma for the rest of their lives..he needs to pay for what he did.
@@jamesbroomfield7799 Nah the prosecution knows that it was self defense, I think they've pretty much resigned to acquittal.
Thank you!!! The friends should all be charged
@@jamesbroomfield7799, you’re absolutely right! The attacker that died, from injuries he sustained during his videoed attack, certainly did have rights; he had the right to back off from the victim that he and his friends are shown accosting on video. He had the right not to “push” the victim…with both hands visibly on the victim’s throat.
But no, as one of the attacker, Tony didn’t have the right to choke the victim of the mob’s attack.
Did you notice how fast the 13 stopped laughing , mocking, taunting, jeering and physical attacking the older man…once he started cutting his violent attackers?
His cardiologist should have a stern word with him about getting involved in such encounters.
and weight management
Yes, don’t go around stabbing young people and being super creepy, it might raise your blood pressure or heart rate, cause you to be found guilty of murder and assault with a deadly weapon, cause you to go to prison and those buffs gonna hurt too.
He was the victim here. How could his doctor stop him being assaulted.
@@susiepoadster4642 Gawd you people calling someone "creepy" is getting so old. I think you're actually the creepy one. Go look in the mirror.
@@networth00 Where did I say anything about stopping him being assaulted. I did say about involving himself in encounters, he chose to snorkel up to the pack of drunk teens. He should not have volunteered for the silly search mission, he could have stayed with his group, or better yet, stayed at home.
and...being under arrest and having stabbed and killed someone may cause high heart rate, blood pressure, etc.
So can being middle aged, having just had a quadruple bypass and having to defend your life against a mob of athletic young men.
If the perpetrator hadn't said he was looking for little girls then none of this would ever have happened. I'm so glad that the student was recording everything on his phone.
He never said he was "looking for little girls" and there is no recording to that affect by the 'influencer.' Do you work for CNN, or is it MSNBC?
HE NEVER ONCE SAID HE WAS LOOKING FOR LITTLE GIRLS!!! I'm not sure where you got that from. He was looking for his friend's phone. That's why he was wearing goggles. As soon as he moved in their direction, the teenagers started calling him names and a pedophile. He told them he was looking for his phone.
I have worse injuries from my foster kittens damn
Preach
Our one new kitty likes to climb my legs while I do the dishes. My legs are covered in scratches.
Wow the suspect lied to the nurse when she examined him: he said the young man had a knife and attacked him so he turned the knife against him…what a liar! The teenagers didn’t have a knife ::HE HAD THE KNIFE AND STBBED 5 IF THEM ! Hope the judge and jury heard that lie!!
I just hope they watch the video because he was clearly defending himself.
What’s more important is “ would a reasonable person who was in Mr Miu’s position feel that his life was in danger” ?
That’s what it’s going to come down to
He had already stabbed the girl before the guy in the yellow shorts was stabbed! So how could he use a knife on the girl if he " used the knife the boy had against him and cut his stomach open"? Why would he lie if he felt he was the one being wronged? The knife was in his right hand the blood on his ear probably wasn't his. It probably came from castoff from one of the victims.
do you hope the judge and jury heard. all the teen witnesses lies ? and ? DO YOU KNOW personally if anyone in that 10-12 person mob carried a knife ? you know ?
@@michaelcalland801. of course he felt threatened. - there’s a mob of aggressive intoxicated , drug ridden attacking teens encircling him - grabbing him by his throat and possibly trying to drown him - I would say THAT is life threatening- plus they had already been traumatizing him -
this prosecutor has great tonality in his voice. very seasoned at asking questions.
abrasion=scratch correct? correct, not life threatening injuries or broken bones, black eyes or bruising, correct/correct
that's because he pulled a knife or else he would be dead right now.
@Raquel-ry5ry Did you get that outcome from a crystal ball, are you psychic, or how would you know what might have happened?
@@AFloridaSonBecause we saw the video. Had he not defended himself the teenage mob would only have become more violent. He's not guilt of anything but self defense.
@@Raquel-ry5rylol wtf are you talking about smh nobody beat him up. He got slapped at the very beginning and after that they let him up so he can leave. They never jumped him they never ganged up on him. They never kick him. They pushed him. And aj didn't even push him in the water. That was himself using his body weight to inflict max damage. Go watch video. He lunged forward at aj's belly as aj puts his hands up to push him back, but you see miu use his body weight to upward and fall backwards to produce that gutting wound that he caused. Then he fell back in the water. He either did this before or trained for it. Because when I saw him use his own momentum and body weight to inflict thst type of damage I was like Damn, this mf must be ex Russian special forces. That was definitely by design. They tried say aj pushed him down but it was mainly mius own momentum that made him fall back.
@@Raquel-ry5ry
😂
Pretty sure I’ve had more severe markings on my back from wearing a bra for a few hours than what Miu received in that life threatening attack.
Well, certainly that would make sense, wouldn’t it? If you have fear for your life and feel like you need a weapon to defend yourself, you’re typically trying to prevent any damage or life-ending injuries from occurring, smart guy. As you noticed in the video, when they noticed the guy had stabbed some of them, they immediately dispersed and the situation was ended. That sounds like a successful defense to me. When looking at these cases you have to take into account potential damage. 19 individuals encircling the 1 individual and assaulting him multiple times has the capability of progressing to a much worse situation. Your statement proves why self-defense is important.
@@michaelscott33..He deliberately wwnt over to to the group twice and he lunged first he is 100% to blame. Stabbing 5 and killing 1. He ran away from the scene and lied..
@@michaelscott33 Yes after stabbing and slashing 5 people he walked away with no apparent injuries. Real self defense my a$$. Had he shown people that he had a knife before stabbing anyone, that would have been smart self defense, but at first the victims thought they had just been punched....until the blood starting flowing. Coward act with a knife.
One punch can kill and if you are knocked unconscious you can easily drown in very little water
Facts, it's ludicrous the claim self defence in this situation
The fact Miu ditched the knife, and blatantly lied, left the scene pretty much sums up the common sense summary
It has no bearing on the jury’s decision based on the laws they are given! Evidence vs the laws are what they look at! That man was unaware of self defense laws here being from Romania and his lawyers decided on his defense once assigned to represent him! It could be a self defense case the evil way those vile kids attacked him. If no proof he punched the girl to start the fight then it may be tough on the jury to convict him here! If that were on video it would be a slam dunk for the aggravated assault and murder that was nearly 3! Tough case. I believe he could have left after he got up as the kids stepped back laughing, but he got angry and vengeful and lashed out going after them and that’s just my opinion as not all evidence is on the video and the kids all lied on stand and aren’t credible enough!
The severity of the attack to me screams psychotic break in that man that was not lawful in my view though his ptsd mental illness is sad. He should have not come back to force more confrontation and I would use that against him if I was a juror! The rotten mob attack behavior of the kids is not forgivable or overlooked at all drunk or not in this case decision!
No, his heart rate isn’t outside the normal range. Normal range is 60-100, and an obese guy having a heart rate of 91 isn’t anything at all
100 is not a normal resting HR
@@marguerilla 60-100 is a normal resting heart rate range…. been on medicine 32 years…you don’t know what you’re talking about lol
@@marguerilla A normal resting heart rate for adults ranges from 60 to 100 beats per minute. Generally, a lower heart rate at rest implies more efficient heart function and better cardiovascular fitness. For example, a well-trained athlete might have a normal resting heart rate closer to 40 beats per minute.
👆👆👆👆…literally from a medical website
@@Concert643 From the Harvard Med site:
"When you are at rest, your heart is pumping the lowest amount of blood to supply the oxygen your body's needs. *Although the official normal resting heart rate ranges from 60 to 100 beats per minute, the range for most healthy adults is between 55 and 85 beats per minute.*
However, other factors can affect your resting heart rate, such as
- stress
- anxiety
- hormones
- medication
- physical activity level."
I work in clinical pharma research and have advanced degree in neurobiology. 91 is out of the conservative healthy range (I've lived and worked abroad in Europe and Asia and that is certainly the case outside of the US where the "average" person is clinically obese to begin with), but not so far out of range as to be clinically significant finding in a drug trial. But in this case, the man has had heart attacks and massive bypass surgery within past few years and surely is medicated to prevent further stress on his cardiac health. They want to keep such a patients heart rate down and his meds would surely be a *HR LOWERING* factor here. 100 HR is normal if taken in isolation in an otherwise healthy person during a check up, but a competent MD will look closer at a man with recent major cardiac surgery and history of heart attack and ongoing meds with a resting HR nearing 100.
@@Concert643 Taking a medicine for 32 years does not mean you understand why you're on the medicine, how it works, when or why it would be assessed necessary in others, comorbid factors esp postsurg... Google doesn't give you a graduate degree.
Injuries dont matter. Do you believe your life was at risk at the time.
Does abrasions look like something somebody would have got from running through the bushes
Scrapes, not really bumps that protrude from the body
They knocked him down onto rocks in the river. He never ran through bushes.
@@rockstarofredondo
How would you know if he ran through bushes or not?
When he fell back in the water, I doubt his back was scratched by rocks. He kinda went down on his butt.
But secondary injury??? 🤨
Admittedly, I'm no forensic nurse, but I can't figure out how anyone would have injuries on his back and butt from running through the bushes. Also, there's no suggestion from anyone that he ever ran through any bushes, or ran anywhere. There is, however, a video of him being attacked and falling on his back in the river.
Backwards, yeah, that's it.
Of course he washed the blood from his ear, he knew it wasn’t his own! He is one twisted and demented individual!
he was under the influence also so it can be argued you know
How long is the prison sentence for being twisted and demented? And what is the charge?
@@user-sk9sp7pe4y His wife said he only had two beers.
Apparently if you add ' correct?' to the end of a statement that makes it a question, and it is not considered leading the witness
No. It does not make it a question. The phrasing is poor. Should lead off with "How.." or "Tell the jury.." All questions which elicit a yes or no answer are leading.
The defense trying to compare this situation to victims of SA and extreme violence, does nothing but highlight how insignificant his scrapes are 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
Kyle Rittenhouse had no injuries to him as he defended himself during his mob attack during the BLM protest and was found not guilty. Same will happen here.
How is the defense trying to do this comparison?
Yeah they keep harping on "shock" but it's clearly "oops I'm in deep shit"
@cardo718 they are trying paint a picture of man that was brutalized into a trauma state to explain why he didn't act like a normal person after defending oneself, carrying on like nothing happened hiding the knife, not sayin anything about it to anyone
have you ever been attacked by a mob before?
FOX 9. FIRE your camera person! Too slow to go to what's being shown and wont stay, so we can see what they are talking about. Would rather see the evidence, than watch the person describing. Those pictures are awful. All washed out. Hope the jury gets better version. Did they use a crap cam to take the pics? What the nurse did not take a blood sample from a supposed murderer? I would think that would be a huge thing, to determine state of mind. No pictures of his hands? She failed at her job.
An officer testified that he took photos of the hands
Hospital nurse examining person suspected of knifing 5, killing 1 at rowdy, drunken weekend river tubing party doesn't draw blood in case maybe alcohol or drugs are involved? Stellar police work.
She would have had to have been presented with a warrant.
She’s not a cop and can’t do it with out a warrant fumbles
@@sjastramIt is interesting,if she couldn't draw blood without a warrant why is the court allowing the statements made by Miu to her given to the jurors? Is she performing her duties as medical professional or someone working under and trained by law enforcement?
Thought same, 🤷🏻♀️.
Yep. She goes to the trouble of taking pics of near invisible scratches but didn't draw blood? Smh
He cannot incorrectly claim that someone else had a knife held against him, and he turned their wrist so that they stabbed themselves.
That's why he is going to prison for a very long time. Now nothing he says can be taken as truth. He is the only one with a knife and it's fact
@@dickfitswell3437 Its clear everyone is lying. The prosecution witnesses need to be telling the truth or the whole thing falls apart, just like what were seeing. NO BILL.
If the other guys had his knife, why wasn't he stabbed? He had his knife the whole time.
Was he under oath when he made the statement?
No?
Then it’s irrelevant.
No he can’t lie like that but that’s not going to be a decider of this case as jury goes by the law on self defense and aggravated assault and murder and looks at true evidence against those laws. It’s going to be that video deciding this case! The fact that the man lied and sneaked away is not a big factor as he may not have known he was defending himself by law and just had a reaction that he did wrong and wanted to hide out of embarrassment to his friends. Only later on realizing he was lawful in defending himself against vile drunk kids attacking him!
He doesn't have to have any pain in order for this to be an assault and in order for his life to have been threatened. She's just a nurse. She's not exactly an expert at this kind of thing.
How threatened was he by a group that HE CHARGED. He keeps saying he stood his ground but he physically ran up stream to place himself in the midst of this large group. Actions of a very scared man for sure.
@@glenf6639 He was led to believe they had his phone. That's why he walked towards them. If they had kept their hands to themselves and shut their mouths, none of this would have happened. The blame lies with them.
@@glenf6639 He went to look for a phone. When you say HE CHARGED... there's video of him NOT charging anyone. He was holding a snorkel and then fell.
Wow that guy with the knife sure told a bunch of lies at the hospital didn't he . Well he was just trying to cover his own ass someone had a knife pointed at him and he turned it into his stomach. And then he ripped them all the way up from down from the belly button up to his ribs. Then all of his guts fell out. There was not six or seven guys on top of them beating him up at the same time either. He sure got the heck out of there after all that Mayhem changed his clothes and tried to get the hell out of there real quick didn't he. I still don't know why the man with the knife didn't just walk back to his own group and leave it at that. There has been one kid shown I think that punched him in the face a couple of times and that was after he had punched that lady in the eye and then just reached out and stabbed the other woman on her side. No one laid a hand on that man with the knife until after he punched and then stabbed that other lady.
You have some facts wrong, but I agree the amount of aggravated assault that man did was psychotic crazy and though he got punched in face, he could have left after getting up and not gone after them and attacked like a wild animal! I hope he is convicted as it was nearly 3 murders here. He lunged after those kids and could have gotten away instead.
I think he was very drunk. Dante's father expressed that was his impression of him, and the beginning of the police interview he states it himself. His wife tried to say he had maybe 2 beers, but I think she was just downplaying it to protect him. Most people could have communicated about the phone, or looking for lost trinkets. He just said a smartass remark, then nothing & started messing with their tubes. He could have yelled to his friend, hey, I think these kids have your phone! They could have called police to intervene & try to retrieve it for them. But ultimately, it was a phone, & not worth multiple lives or a prison sentence. He used such poor judgment. The kids really did too, but they got a hell of a harsh lesson for it.
@@laurengriffin5713 in the end I really don't think those boys had the phone he says he was looking for you would think that would have been brought out in court if they had of taking it. I think they were too busy drinking and being obnoxious I don't think that deserves having your life being taken because of the kids calling him names. And I think that's what angered that man didn't like to be called names. If I stabbed everybody who ever called me names I'd be on death row or at least in prison for the rest of my life. It's like sticks and stones . But to gut several people like he did the act alone would be making me throw up. It's like he had no reaction to any of that. Did they ever find the knife that he stabbed those five people with?
Its so nice to see Harry from nightcourt as the judge in this case. He is looking great for his age
Was looking for this comment. I thought I was the only one that noticed.
Defendant's injuries were measured in centimeters, victims injuries measured in inches ugh
We really need to go metric, but we won’t.
Gosh, Miu sure got roughed up in that fight for his life…
/sarcasm.
I'm not taking sides , but the defense can't have it both ways . He is saying that maybe his client was unable to remember clearly, or be sure of what exactly took place or he was unable to express what took place, ie , saying that the other person had the knife, but he is grilling the teens that certainly had violence done upon them . And when they are unclear or have made conditictory statements they are made out to be liars.
Ahh yes. Lawyers, bastions of evenhandedness :p
@@Paullyb79 yah got me 😏
It's the job of the defense attorney to make his client look good and to discredit the prosecution's witnesses. If a defendant doesn't get a vigorous defense he/she can have grounds for an appeal.
@@rushoke , I understand. I was just commenting on the obvious fact .
What I know is, if I were in them kids shoes, no chance would I ever act like a bully and jump someone… On the other side, if I were in dudes shoes, There would be a whole lot more red in the water
How in the world can anybody justify what this dude did compared to his injuries??? 😡😡🤬🤬
Wasn’t it like 17 against 1?
If you ask me, all of them should be on trial for inciting this incident.
You might as well ask how is Trump is so popular, it's the same answer, people have every right to be ignorant imbeciles
@@SayHelloToOblivionexactly
@@SayHelloToOblivionNo, his dumb arrogant ass is 50 years old and should know how to walk away from a group of drunk kids taunting him.
The key component to defending yourself is to remain uninjured. You don't wait to get injured and only respond in kind, you would be the first one dead. That is the opposite of self defense. You use overwhelming force and live to walk away.
I'm sorry, she took pictures of every little scratch on his back but didn't take pictures of his hands / knuckles where she could clearly see injuries to the back of his hand? That doesn't make any sense. 🤔🤔🤔
I’m sorry is there a law that you have to receive a certain amount of injuries before you can defend yourself?
The police not getting blood for alcohol and drug use is crap.
They can't
Note to self - For whatever reason, if you stab a bunch of kids in a river and end up getting charged, you may have photos like this shown of you in open court. I do not have that much body positivity. 😬
I don't think his was, at all, based on "body positivity"
Everyone should be forced to go through some nursing or medical training to desensitize us all. You get used looking at nude bodies. Most people aren't glamorous specimens of humankind when naked. "Normal people" these days freak out at being or seeing someone without clothes. Even statues sets them off! They think showing nibs or bits is porn and have unrealistic body image expectations.
Murder was on his mind, not how he looked.
@@Karma4All-
Haha yeah pretty much.
According to the list of medications, he was on no cardiac medications. He was on a cholesterol lowering agent that helps prevent vessel disease, but no blood pressure, heart rate control or heart rhythm control medications. Which implies that his heart was stable, his heart didn’t need medication. His BP was a little high, his heart rate was on the higher side of normal, but within normal limits. Who’s BP and HR wouldn’t be up on a day in which you’ve stabbed multiple people, murdered one person and now been brought into custody.
A possible side effect of Prasozin is hallucinations. Dinking alcohol and taking prescription medicine is not advised.
Trying to claim victim for some minor abrasions as opposed to Mr. Miu opening up his victims with gut-penetrating wounds. Disgusting.
Anyone who’s watched the whole video and still sees gangs 1 & 2 as victims, is no better and would most likely have joined in if they’d been there
@darlalapole2943
What world do you live in where you can have a knife in pocket and be assaulted by a group and not use the knife to defend yourself? This is gonna end up a self defense case 100% all you gotta do is watch the entire video
Play victim? Just because he defended himself? Smh
Cause and effect...
@@Thebeautiful11 He walked away more than once. Then came back because they were saying mean things that gave him big feelings. What happened is on him.
Doesn’t matter if he ended up with long lasting wounds or not. Those kids ganged up on him and slapped him and pushed him down while surrounding him. How is what he did not self defense? Unbelievable
Because originally he rushed them, made physical contact with them, held and searched the tubes, all while carrying a knife.
I agree ,it started out with the older guy across the river looking for a snorkel he had lost in the water and the black guy stated tha. Then the black guy started calling that guy a pefiphile and told others that come down the river that ...they were hazing the old man and even stated the old man wasn't bothering them they could have went on down the river and they didn't the kids escalated it by lieing on the guy ,calling him names ,getting others involved and they caused this .That man had every right to defend his self .
@@jamesturner5315 watch the video, he didn't rush them with a knife until after the ganged up on him. Self-defense regardless of his stupid lie. I know you want to hate him, and feel free, but the kids were punks and they FAFO.
@@markclay8605 I watched the video. After he first went 100-150 feet directly across the river towards the group of kids, to supposedly look for a phone, he was called a raper, and he turned to the kids and ran at them, grabbed their tubes, touching them on their legs, detained them and searched the tubes. All the kids jumped out of their tubes. That was the initial physical contact between the parties.
You can't attack people because they are calling you names. Fact! He could have walked away.
Lol why is the prosecution letting her be used as an expert on psychological trauma? She’s neither a doctor, nor a mental health professional
She is part of SART and receives training on psychological trauma.
Nurses are educated in mental health issues regularly. W learn it in our initial nursing school as well as during our hospital rotations with actual patients. Then we are required to have continued education for our licensed and hospitals require education on mental health as well in a yearly basis. Plus there is your constant direct care of people.
Well she’s one of the only medical witnesses they had immediately after the crime. You’re not even a nurse so stfu lmaoo
Blood in his ear was probably victims blood... Cast off
That was my thought. The statement you have blood on you ear was changed to , he had blood coming out of my ear . I'm I correct ?
Prosecutor is terrible….seems like he’s putting forth very little effort.
“What was his pulse?”
“91”
A great follow up question would be “what is a normal *resting* pulse/HR of an adult not under distress?”
The answer of 91 means nothing to non-medical professionals without context! 🤦♀️
Because he has very little to actually go on for murder and 4x attempted murder.
And even a normal based on statistics still could be different because not every single human is exactly alike in how their body is when in or out of homeostasis.
I think the nurse was the defendant's witness. Sent in to document his injuries.
*She sure smiles at his attorney a lot. Kinda creepy.
Prosecutors are terrible. Missing one opportunity after another to prove that suspect was not acting in defense but with visceral intent to hurt people any way he can. Probably a narcissist.
You would agree that that's (91) elevated correct?
Nurse: I... it depends on the person. Says without medical history she couldn't say.
hmm, funny how the defense is drilling the point of victims memories not being clear right after the incident for mr. miu - when really he is helping the prosecution with this line of questioning considering his MAIN argument has been the differences between their initial statements versus the testimony 😂
I said the exact same thing when watching.you except this stab witnesses to remember what items someone had in their hand , but your guy is so traumatized he couldn’t get all the details right. More like setting up lies from the jump
The defense really has no choice but to chisel away at as many eye witnesses as possible, it's rather large mountain to climb buts it's the only route he has to sow doubt
You might want to consider that the accuser holds the burden of proof, not the defendant. If the accuser is lying it weighs much much more than if the defendant lies. Sorry, but that's just how the law works. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
The testimony from the forensic nurse is not the same as the accusers getting together to coordinate and sanitize their testimony prior to the trial. Two totally different things.
@@Grammichal
of course it’s not the same thing… but he has been spending the entire trial picking apart every little detail the witnesses may have (even vaguely) recalled wrong throughout the whole trial as if it proves they’re lying yet when it comes to his client it somehow then makes perfect sense?
i’m just saying that’s not the brightest line of questioning to go down with her.. whether they made up a story or not, keeping myself fully non bias with this statement: knowing whether or not you just stabbed 5 people less than a half hour before / claiming someone else pulled a knife on you versus you having a knife are not things trauma makes you mix up …… whether you watched someone get punched using the left or right hand, however, is.
like i said.. it’s literally doing more good for the opposing side than it is for his argument.
Yeah bro has nowhere near the amount of wounds you see in self defense cases.
What are the usual amount of injuries? Lol.
@@WalkingDesecration the hands especially are usually in pretty rough shape from trying to block injuries and the face and head take a beating just because we naturally aim for those spots.
@user-se5rp3yr4h there's literal video of him getting hit on his head though. Andwith what you said in mind, if he hit the girl wouldn't his hand have some marking?
@@WalkingDesecration according to his story at the police station, which he is now claiming not to remember he states that when he went into the water eight to ten people surrounded him and were hitting him, some of them with objects that he couldnt identify. Im just saying a look in a mirror would tell him thats not true.
This certainly seems like selective memory.
I'm sure the situation was really chaotic. But, these young adults don't seem scared at all until they realized people were getting stabbed.
This isn't a witness to the crime. She wasn't nt there.
It's difficult to hear the questions----whether coming from prosecution or defense.
Honestly it's painful lol...How do you gather information? By asking questions and getting answers? I'm over here like what???
Are they going to show all of the victims injuries
The description of their injuries is in the description of each episode.
They already have shown some injuries. The stabbing victims even showed the jury their scars. I thought AJs scar looked the worst due to it being so big..in the videos shown, we saw the teens being cut and then the aftermath. Some were walking around bleeding and holding the area where they were cut. I only saw one pic of AJs intestines out and the pic was fuzzing out some of it.
I wouldn't classify their injuries as stab wounds, more slash wounds..
I find it so odd that none of them noticed Nic holding his pocket knife. Most thought they had been punched rather than cut..adrenaline can mask symptoms and thought process..
yes, they have
you are late to the party, go back to earlier posts.
He was the victim
Unfortunately this Nurse was examining a Suspect which is a pre-drawn conclusion instead of the Victim in which the Evidence Substantiates!
True , plus works extremely close with law enforcement - ( Buddy - Buddy ) of course .
The old loon was and is a suspect, you must have just skipped over all the video and screenshot still of said old loon holding the knife.
BS!
Your on crak
What would you do if you had 13 people jumping on you
There weren’t 13 people jumping on him 🙄
@sandihulbert5902 your right but there were 13 there and one of the witnesses said they formed a wall around him
@@jerribaker-pb5mb forming a wall is much different than saying 13 people jumped on you 🤷🏻♀️
You gotta correct the title of this video - it should read "Nurse examines Miu's 'owies'" 😒 not "Injuries"
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I got my lawyer degree from Cheerios University therefore I can comment and sound like an authority.😂😂😂
Not to worry. Everyone who has watched a law and Order is a de facto attorney
The Nurse referred to Mr. Mui as a “suspect”. She is exposing her bias, and judgement of Mr. Mui. I’ve NEVER in my 35 years as a nurse , ever referred to a patient as a suspect, even when handcuffed to the bed! The police may refer a person as a suspect, not the nurse! SMH
That is not a bias statement when she is simply repeating what was said when she was called and asked to come to examine him. When someone is in custody they have to inform us nurses why they are there for several reasons. 1st being our safety. We have a right to not examine a person if we don’t feel safe to do so. 2nd, they were at the jail so it’s lot like they asked her to come to a daycare. 3rd, he was a suspect in a mass stabbing incident. She isn’t the one accusing him of anything. She is there in her professional capacity and when a nurse is trained in sexual assault examinations, you have a victim 14:48 and a possible perpetrator or suspect. When writing down our information during exams that is how we are taught to differentiate between the victim and suspect or perpetrator.
He is a suspect. “Suspects are presumed innocent until proven guilty”. The court is there to determine the lawfulness of his actions not whether he’s a suspect or not.
Sometimes when you poke a sheep you get a wolf. Best to not meddled with strangers.
Your reasoning for violently “filleting” totally unarmed teenagers that you outweigh by 50+ pounds. Big compassion here, hope you never have an argument or screaming match with a knife wielding psychopath. Good luck out there, be sure not to unsettle a psychopath!
Thats a 2way streak, Miu had ever opportunity to continue to walk away. But he choose to let his ego take over and turn around and go back
@@claytonish Has he actually been diagnosed with pyschopathy? If you have the intuition to discern psychopathy in someone without a medical evaluation then why antagonize them? Having psychopathy is not a crime and no one with that disorder deserves to be harassed humiliated or antagonized. Ironical you speak of compassion but then label someone with a mental disorder that you have no compassion for. You are the kettle calling the pot black.
We deal with that everyday even at the mall. I suspect the group would have moved away from Mui, had they known he had a knife and was prepared to use it in a sneaky way.
@@shanestamball1886 no he didn't. they followed him and incited a crowd by calling him pedo and saying they were doing it for the culture which is slang for beat him up. I think for people to understand they would either have to experience a threat themselves or drop the bullying mentality then get mad when they meet someone who can stand up to them.
Thankfully the kids recorded their attack on him because weather he had marks or not it still happened...some folks seem to forget that
The recording actually shows him as the attacker and aggressor.
@@yolandawilson6619 Idk what you're watching, but I see a pack of drunk/high wild jacka$$es attacking him and screaming laughter like baboons. I also see him trying, more than once, to walk away and then getting in his face, blocking his path, and pushing him before he pulled out his knife.
They started recording when he rushed them!
@@melsafken764 They started recording after the antagonized him and he finally responded with running at them and trying to push them along, past the section where he was looking for a lost phone.
@Angel-vb5ot they have every right to be there just like he does...
Having a 'foggy' mind is forgetting who hit you and where but not forgetting you had the weapon in your pocket and saying someone else pulled a knife and you got it away from them. Liar, liar your pants are on fire!
All those kids are liars too.
It happens in most self defense cases like this one. When a mob attacks and someone defends themselves to save their life it’s hard to remember. Being attacked by a mod and nearly drowned will make the memory slip.
@NoName-hs4ov you are defending a murderer shame on you and the coward miu. Hope he loses more weight in prison
Only a monster guts kids.
@@warmlantern0000 I agree with that when it comes to abortionists. Doctors are supposed to do no harm. In terms of this stabbing in self-defense, I disagree. These young men were deathly dangerous to this man.
The repetitive of the same questions is unnecessary.
Hoping her answers will change ? 🙄
we saw the video...Mui had the knife in his hand...not what he described to Ashley Hoffman ...
Who told him there was blood on his ear and when did he wash it off in the river? Where was the time to have that happen?
Probably back in his group.
He calmly walked across the river with his buddy back to his group.
Ditched the knife in the bank.
Put on a shirt, hat & glasses & attempted to escape.
Wait, so was it his knife or did he grab it away from one of the people who were around him?
It was his. He lied.
Mr. Miu LIED! Darn😮
Are you really shocked?
All of them lied about what happened adults and teens involved. To make themselves look innocent. All on the video should be charged. The only victim is the person that died even if he was bullying the guy. His life still ended. Anyone of them could have stopped it at any point before the stabbing
He was not under oath?
Still self defense even if he lied
@@mplscarsales6652 the all lied to make themselves look innocent. The video shows enough to prove that this was self defense. Multiple people against 1 person. Those teens will end up realizing at some point that they are the reason their friend ended up killed. Those people that "helped" will realize they instigated the situation without knowing what was going on and off they are the reason that person was killed and others got injured. That man that was ganged up on is gonna know for the rest of his life he took someone's life. Everyone had a hand at that person being killed and will have to live with it the rest of their lives.
Kinda weird how happy and excited she looks to be testifying.
Omg this lady smacks her lips before each time she speaks
I don’t see that.
Yes I can hear it almost every time she starts speaking or stops
It's her tongue and she is literally driving me up a wall!!!!
How in the world are people not noticing this. It's beyond obnoxious. I really want to watch but....
I thought I was the only one who noticed that
Being in the medical field with a M.A. in the exact field. I have more than one DISCREPANCIES with her approach as well as many many more discrepancies with her evaluation and reporting, or lack of.
Would you be able to share your opinion? She seems inexperienced and biased
@@bendietreesI feel she is unbiased wich is what we need in a witness of this manner.
Nurse here as well and I felt she was unbiased and did a overall good assessment. What do you feel she could have done differently or are you picking because you feel the defendant is guilty or?
Details Mr know it all! She didn’t know any facts of this case upon examining that man and he told a bunch of lies to her too! She wasn’t the in estimator ya know! She likely thought he WAS the victim!
@@goll58 right! She sure did t know any facts in the case upon examining him and he kept lying! She did her best. Might have thought he WAS the victim too!
Miu's back abrasions probably resulted from falling back on rocks or from being in the woods.
Since we're just making crap up at this point it probably happened when he parachuted from that plane. Or it could have been that polar bear that attacked him while he was singing "Home on the Range" and gargling through his nose at the same time.
Wow extreme violence but didnt look like it. Kids were wrong but af, but Nic went way to far, he went full-on death stabs with 3-4" blade. Knife blade was as long as his fist.
I listened to the instigator of this event when he testified. He called a stranger a pedo, ramped up the accusations, involved another group of strangers, and then retreated to stand back and revel in the chaos he had created. He then filmed himself pretending to be shocked instead of trying to offer assistance. That is who should be on trial. Classic sociopath yelling fire in a theater.
Agree completely
Okay Karen 😂😂😂 🙄🙄
@@Imdatqueen409how is she a Karen? She’s right lmao
Literally he started all this and now his friend is dead and everyone else is fucked or traumatized 🤦🏽♀️
And, I'm more than willing to bet, none of the other so-called " kids" are on speaking terms,let alone still buddies with Juwan, who incited all this to happen in the 1st place.
Seems the tone is changing in these comment sections.... where are all the crusaders for Nic? Lol
He lied to every professional since being apprehended… only a very guilty person lies
Guilty of what? Defending himself against a group of drunk rojoknecks?
So true! Wow, I am shocked at the number of people blaming these kids! Being mouthy is NO reason the get stabbed and one kid, sadly gutted! Miu was looking for trouble and took the cowards way and decided to pull out a knife and take them all on! Disgusting people….who think Miu had every right to do this!
@@dianehansma1725 He was surrounded by anywhere from 7-11 people knocked under water and assaulted. He had several people yelling obscenities. The law doesn't require him to run away. The prosecution witnesses have frequently contradicted each other and themselves. The Jurors have a lot to consider. This one could go either way.
😮 every single "kid" has lied on the stand! Every one of them... Is that honesty or guilt?? Your words
@@bartwiedenunder the water?
SEE TRANSCRIPT 36:04 & 36:10‼️. Blatant lie by Defendant ❗️. He denies ownership of knife.
Exactly
If he TRULY was acting in SELF DEFENSE, his actions afterwards would have been much different. Such as : calling 911, NOT dumping the knife, not avoiding police, not lying every step of the way...because he had NO idea there was a video. He thought he could lie and claim self defense, but the fact he had the knife out BEFORE being hit & falling in the water shows the REAL reason he did this . .with INTENT. GUILTY
Why is he questioning her about Miu's mental status? He should have hired a specialist to evaluate him.
Agree. Not sure how his PTSD and the medication he was taking was only barely mentioned. She wasn't though the person to ask. She seems clueless.
Mui’s a big liar! On top of being a murderer!
And Innocent. 13 VS 1
Them young adults fucked around and found out. Now one is 6 feet under because of their stupidity. Unfortunately
What about all the drunk kids who lied on the stand. Group mentality that got out of control.
Defense Attorney must do medical malpractice cases. His interview of surgeon was highly skilled. Then the nurse. He Asked very detailed questions.
The poor families have to listen to him being called a VICTIM of a traumatic event over & over again. I bet that was very hard to listen to.
No doubt! They expect that in a self defense excuse though. There were hellish lies by those kids too!
Man lied out of fear. I feel really sorry for him
Tell that to Isaac's mother, I dare you
Don't bring a knife to a fist fight.
Yelling -cussing, slap fight.. 🩸🤡💩🎪
They mobbed him. Kids are killing people. When someone fights back THEY go on trial. Was he supposed to let them beat and drown him? It is unreal no one is condemning what they did. This will continue until they start being held responsible.
They were yelling for him to leave, he did not, how are they trying to kill him???
Watch the video, he had the knife and stabbed them !
the water was just above ankle deep watch the videos he had lots of opportunities to walk away the guys phone he was looking for was insured
So he was looking for his friends phone? If my friend isn't looking for their phone, I'm sure as hell not lol. But hey may be he is just a good friend like that. And I'm guessing Nics group was by the teens at some point in time. It just looks like he doesn't really look any where else for the phone, but by them. May be he was looking other places and it's just no video. Nic was pretty brave for going up to the teens looking for a phone. It might be because I'm a woman, but I would never go to a group like that looking for a phone. I would assume they have it and just take a loss. Like no one is calling it even? Very weird.
This guy is asking the same questions as the previous attorney. What a bunch of idiots. One guy doesn't even know how to tie his tie.
Notice how at the end of each question, he sayd,"correct". This is how the cross examination will trip you up. She was on her gane, and a very credible witness.
That is completely crazy now he had his own group and he going to come over and meddle with a bunch of kids.
It was stated he was looking for a cell phone
He was looking for a cell phone. The seven “kids” (17 year old football players) meddled with him.
@@Janelle-lu4rxI call BS on that one! Miu was looking for trouble!
Maybe watch the video, smart one. He is clearly using a snorkel to find a cell phone and they smacked the snorkel out of his hands and he was looking for what as they were telling him he would never find it, calling him a child molester and YELLING he was trying to find little girls so loudly it drew a much bigger crowed. They punched and pushed him, punched him while he was down, and then he pulled his knife as they were laughing and bullying him.
@@michaelscott33 that is not what any of us saw on the video
Not guilty.
This gentleman was attacked by a mob in water. The question is whether he feared for his life and that is incredibly difficult to disprove. The discrepancies could easily be attributed to the horrific circumstances he just survived.
Technically, it's not whether he felt in danger of his life. It is an objective test, ie whether a reasonable person in his place would be in fear of his life.
@@mikebarker6979 Ah yes. Valid point. I still think there is sufficient reasonable doubt in this case for NG.
White guy, engineer, no criminal record vs. gaggle of highly intoxicated teenagers - the black one screeching. It’s a straightforward and tragic FAFO situation.
I agree that it is a FAFO situation that the teens were in, but it looks bad that the murderer said it was the teens knife, he was never verbal during the conflict, never said STOP, never called for help, never called out a warning to the teens, walked upriver to ditch the knife, went back to his wife & friends and watched the aftermath for 20mins, never told his wife/friends about the stabbing, never called police, disguised himself when exiting the river, told police he heard there was a stabbing and he fit the description. Not the behaviour of an innocent man fearing for his life.
@@my2cents581 yes I totally get what you are saying and the whole situation is unpalatable… even the disembowling, but his behavior after was a result of what just happened as opposed to it being the other way around.
If I disemboweled someone I was just attacked by I definitely would not be acting rational after. Like we can’t possibly put ourselves in his position.
It definitely could have been handled better post- c-section but it’s like people that laugh when they do something wrong or when they are nervous. It’s not intentional or meant to be disrespectful it’s just a coping mechanism. I remember going to school with kids that would laugh even when they were getting disciplined and were scared of their parents being called. I know the situations are very different but I’m just saying the human brain is very very complex and no two are alike.
“Horrific circumstances “ yeah your definitely on crak
OMG!! Those are terrible injuries! 🙄
Did the defendant need emergency surgery to put his guts back into his scratches? Did this nurse even offer him a bandaid for his injuries because they looked like pretty painful booboos!
Learn something from this Child. Don’t gang up on people and try to drown them.
She never viewed him as a victim and that's where the problem lies
Sounds like the abrasions on his right knuckles are from punching someone and the scratches on his back are from when he went into the woods to toss the knife.
Agreed about the hand abrasions. They would line up with hitting someone in the face who was wearing sunglasses. His back scratches were likely from who knows what - cause you can easily get scratched tubing down a river - or they were from falling into the river. He fell into the river at least twice on the videos. Once when he ran up to the boys and practically jumped on top of one of them in a tube, and once when he was hit by the blond girl's friend after Miu hit her.
@@Sypherz It didn't look like he fell on his back into the river. He fell on his butt into a few inches of water
@@Jessica-ro2bi I believe you are right. When Miu testified, he said he fell on his butt, not his back, when the guy hit him for hitting Madison.
Everyone lied only the video shows the truth
Interesting how this nurse examined him and didn’t see any evidence of a slap to his face, or strangulation, when it’s clearly in the video.
Strangulation is not. Look closely at the fingers. It’s a shove that went high up to the neck. No restriction of air flow. The slap was not hard so probably didn’t leave any mark. Just stating observations not arguing anything else.
Yeah it's possible to get slapped in the face and not have any evidence of a slap to the face on examination.
That blonde chick had no visible injuries
There would have been physical evidence of it had there been a lot of pressure or force applied .
Miu is a murderous psychopath, lying scumbag
@@tonystevenson26 that’s because she never got punched! He just raised his hand to block her from grabbing him because both females were grabbing him & were up in his face screaming at him! That’s why the blonde never even dropped her drink she still had her drink in her hand and her phone sticking in her bikini top after supposedly getting punched!
The simple fact is Miu is lying to change the story. There is fault on both sides but if those kids didn’t have video proof of most of what happened Miu and the defence lawyers would continue and embroider the lies. The prosecutors are not good, almost lackadaisical. Why was Miu's blood not taken and blood alcohol tested? Crazy to take photos of tiny scratches but not of bruised knuckles. Other than the scrape near his butt the other scratches could have been gotten at anytime crawling around the river or even scratching an itch. As far as I could see he was never hit in the back of the head or ear or kicked. The kids were not violent, stupid maybe, but Miu was the only one with a weapon and could have moved away earlier if he did not want confrontation. His actions - or lack of actions or communication, were a big part of how the events happened.
The kids were violent!!! Pushing someone down on rocks in a river and punching him in face twice was all on video! Thats violence dummy! I agree he didn’t communicate but he is from Romania and there will be that issue with so many foreigners here! The kids were holy hell brats drinking illegally and caused whole thing and they paid for it and they know putting their hands on someone has consequences and you just don’t DO THAT!!! You never know if the other person has a weapon to use on you for your stupid physical bullying! Let’s get real here! Both sides wholly wrong here but my stance is it wasn’t self defense but no proof the man started it by punching that girl on video, though I do believe the boys yelling at him “you don’t hit a girl” seems to maybe tell he hit her but drunk kids are not credible! I think he hit her but no proof and that’s a bad thing as that could have decided this case on who the violent aggressor was and voided any self defense. Sad 😩
Why would she not take blood if she's doing an exam of a criminal case, that doesn't make any sense