Back 4 Blood - Angry Review
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AngryJoe, OtherJoe & Alex play another Zombie Game, this time Back 4 Blood a spiritual successor to some fantastic zombie survival games of the past, can this game recapture the magic & add new innovation? Find out!
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Huh, never thought one of my old animations would make an appearance on your show. Glad you enjoyed it dude, this was a pleasant surprise!
MY BOI, I LOVE YOUR ANIMATIONS
We love u
We're still waiting when you going to make new videos dude
This review of this review is 5/5 honesty points.
Holy hell, never thought I'd see you in a comment section. I love your animations.
L4D characters: Serious about their survival but also have some charm.
Meanwhile...
B4B characters: Everyone wants to be a comedian and does not take a zombie apocalypse seriously enough.
Straight to the point synopsis of this mediocre game
And worst of all, they aren't even funny.
@@thelordofthelostbraincells It's ok, you died alot It's fine that you suck.
@@13Gangland LOL looks like the L4D2 community is split and B4B is too hard for some of them 😜
i dont disagree but with how massive zombies have been the last few years would you take a zombie apocalypse serious?? i dont think i would haha
When you heard the piano, you knew it was the Hunter. If you heard violin it was the spitter. Gurgling was the Boomer, Coughing was the Smoker, Whaling was the Witch and the maniacal laugh was the Jockey. Thats how you distinguish the special. Those audio cues are what make L4D so charming and intense to play. You knew what was coming but you didnt know when.
There are sound cues for the 3 main types in B4B, and you can easily tell the creatures apart by the location of the big, red weak point on their bodies. It might be much at first but you can learn it quick.
@@schibleh531 BUT they look thematic and not really unique. The L4D specials are unique and have their own strengths and weaknesses like hunters being fast as hell but being really squishy, or witches being insanely tough to kill, but easy to take out if someone has a shotgun and the knowhows. Specials aren't JUST big zombies with L4D2 charger health pools and a weak point, but should also reward the survivors for making plays against them like landing a nasty headshot on spitters or smokers preventing them from attacking in the first place, shoving hunters, boomers or jockeys away to not only prevent them from attacking, but also to give you breathing room to take them out efficiently
@@sunken_soul9059 yes unfortunately the silhouettes of the mutated ridden are limited to three shapes and sizes. However, after spending some time you’ll soon be able to differentiate the ability and weaknesses of each one. Some can pin you, others can’t. And even if you do get in a pinch, the game offers plenty of options to deal with them before hand; the breakout card, the stun gun, Evangelo’s player card, your own team, and even utilizing your environment to evade or block attacks from reaching you. I know this game has a specific demographic and was a dumb marketing move to cling on to the L4D title. But it’s not that bad of a game what this game accomplished the most at is the replay value, character selection, and a variety of play styles.
@@mossy2975 Thanks, but no thanks. I'm not gonna spend $60 for a neutered L4D that has worse writing, characters, """counterplay""", PvP, and atmosphere. Although, the hub area is a pretty neat feature and the gunplay is servicable.
@@mossy2975 Also, if I need a fucking perk that I get after completing a level to counter a special infected, it's bad counterplay. Good counterplay is being able to counter an attack whatever and whenever the situation, like shooting off a smoker's tongue, cutting off a smoker's tongue with a sharp melee weapon, and before you get truly pinned by the smoker, you have a chance to kill it before it can pin you.
it really makes you realise that Valve was the reason why Left 4 Dead 2 was so good
I need left 4 Dead 3 BADLY
Valve can't count to 3
Valve just took the saying "always leave them wanting more" and perfected it.
All good, Valve I'm sure will remaster both originals which kost will be ok with.
@Boneits ummm no…. if it was good? No it would not
I will say that the "HEY JOE, WANNA PLAY A ZOMBIE GAME!?" gag doesn't get old
"Jesus Christ, HOW MANY FUCKIN ZOMBIE GAMES YOU BUYIN, JOE!?"
@@hewhobattles8869 hey Joe you wanna play a zombie game
@@DeadX2 NO I DON’T WANT TO PLAY A FUCKING ZOMBIE GAME!!
@@timdatanuki2375 joe you wanna play a moths fuckin zombie game : D
Stop it 😥
*Players during the beta:* "The game is too easy!"
*Devs inhale as they pinch the bridge of their noses:* "Challenge... accepted."
day 1 and 2 was easy. day 3 suddenly specials were spawning in pairs around every corner. quite literally me in a full party on veteran physically didn't have enough ammo to complete a level. multiple attempts ,good aim. just too many bullet sponges.
The Beta was broken too bro
My experience with the Beta was very different lol I got horded by special infected every single time I played
Legitimately don't think difficulty would've been a criticism if they axed crossplay, segregated the controller and mkb players from eachother, and then had different difficulty multipliers for both groups. Who's to say though.
@@lokitakahashi3042 You need to grab a melee weapon and card that increases health when you use it.
What I liked about the L4D games is how the level designs made you feel like you were traveling across a large distance. It was an adventure where the characters were always on the road searching for something better. That's lost in this game because they have a home base, so the entire game really takes place in one localized area, with them reusing certain areas
Good point
That is true
MASSIVE understated point.
Yup, that area with the gas station was recycled in the campaign about 5-6 times throughout my play though, just lazy.
No wonder it kinda gets boring after a while
I love how they try to add personality to the characters with colour and accesories. The l4d characters had more personality in them than all of them put together. Hell the zombies in L4d had more personality than the characters.
The clown, the mud people, and the hazmat guys to name a few.
Suicide squad knockoff No.420
Despite the characters in L4D wearing regulator clothing, the way they interact with each other, their emotive expression and flavor text really sell them as memorable characters. There's something genuine about them that you enjoy. Even tho the sequel was more cheese, it was a loveable cheese that you can't fault them either.
The rocks on the ground had more personality
@@Deliveredmean42 its because the B4B characters look cartoonish and stupid, like disney made them for a kid's movie, not a zombie apocalypse. They suffer from "marvel syndrome" where all the characters are cheesy and cynical, and sound like what execs think teenagers/college kids say based off focus groups
LOL Classic clip you threw in there!!
Act man I love you when we smoking together
No fucking way! the legend itself
Act Man when are you going to review Demon's Souls or Outer Worlds?
Love ya Act Man
Two of fav youtubers collaborating? You love to see it
I love how Joe always sleeps with his Superman t-shirt and jacket.
🤣
Because he's in a time loop of Zombie games
Haha, I came here to say the same thing. Id like to think when angry Joe's in review mode he eats, sleeps, and breathes in that jacket
you're not seeing the blow-up Superman doll off-screen he also sleeps with
*hey i'm here for the interview*
Don’t call this game’s graphics better, L4D put so much love into each detail, facial animation, death animation, musical queues, character design, level design. Only *7* people who worked on L4D2 were pat off turtle rock, the rest were *all* from Valve
You're right. In terms of visual aspects like lighting and such that reflect the advancement of computer graphics in games of course B4B, a modern day game will look better. But the DESIGN of L4D2 is timeless. It's a 12 year old game and still looks good and feels great to play because it's simple and at the same time effective at telling a story just by art direction itself. Does it hell a lot better than B4B.
@@q_q123 not even lighting l4d2 had gunfire light up your environment b4b doesn't.
Tbh, I don't really know what's going on with the graphics of B4B, it looks good in the cleaners and environment not to say that they're topnotch but it just looks good but when it comes to the zombies and infecteds they look like slimes and not to mention the over-the-top blood splatters that looks like slime. It ruines the immersion or realism for me, imagine a simple punch to them, a pint of blood already scattered around unlike in L4D, the blood are subtle and splats in a reasonable and realistic way, no blood splatters when you shove them, shotguns, lots of blood, in normal weapons, reasonable blood, melee, ofcourse, lots of blood but in a subtle way.
@@q_q123 Don't forget the ambiance that L4D creates too. This game seems like an arcade shooter.
Bullets actually effected zombies in left for dead 2, it felt like you were shooting them. B4b has the most generic zombie deaths and not even the bare minimum gore when you shoot em up
More like Back 4/10 Blood.
From the creators of Evolve.
And now the developers owned by tencent 🤣 lol thanks for the lackluster games turtle Rock now your true downfall is upon you
OJ must be having the time of his life tormenting AJ with zombie games, I’m highly entertained!
And he’s gonna have to do it again for Dying Light 2.
Yeah
3 zombie games in 1 year booooooi
imagine OJ when Dying Light 2 drops XD
The joke never gets old! Though I agree with AJ that the nightmare of NOT GIVING THE ZOMBIE GENRE A FUCKING REST will never DIE....just like the undead themselves (Just having Zombies isn't going to put you on "Hey Joe you want to play a Zombie Game" list. They have to be a major center point of it to count!)
Also Spider-Hunter I almost forgot about Dying Light 2! Seriously if I didn't go to a gamestop often, I'd have forgotten it even exists! Right there with Dead Island 2 in if you don't talk about it, I'm going to forget!
the continuation of the "play a zombie game" meme is just the cherry on top(we knew we needed) over Angry reviews, lol
Just wait till Dying Light 2
sad to see they havent realized its the same schtick for War Games. Should be called "play a war game" next
@@TrickyJebus Because it wouldn't be as funny. AJ doesn't hate war games at all nor is tired of them. He was tired of zombie games years ago.
@@rzaku5536 oh I'm very much waiting for that sir, the game and Joe's review are going to be a treat
Reminder that TurtleRock made Evolve. That asymmetrical hunting fps game that spawned Joe's famous rant about the color blue.
Evolve was a good game, the microtransactions however were the worst I've ever seen.
@@fattony3736 It wasn't "bad" but had very little actual content and also barely any real interaction between the hunters even though they were shown to have special relationships to eachother in trailers, info texts and the short scenes before they drop down in the hunting area. The mostly empty maps and very little diversity in the actual gameplay made it very repetitive in the end.
Also some things were just not balanced at all. The Behemoth for example can litteraly act like heavy artillery. That completely trivialised the defender game mode because you could just shoot your lava bomb straight up in the air and hit the generator (and usually also everything around it) from the opposite side of the map because the travel distance was not limited.
After the new patch, the veteran difficulty got even harder, and in the worst way possible(they buffed the mutation spawn numbers). If you trigger a horde accidentally on veteran or nightmare, it’s often game over no matter what cuz you’ll be fucked by a triple tallboy or crusher spawn.
I mean that should happen, i don't see the issue
@@redjaygaming9757 Vet is the closest thing to normal difficulty. That makes that a fucking problem. Also, birds. Fucking everywhere
They claim that the patch turned down special mutation spawns, but the patch literally doubled down on corruption cards. You even know that you’re screwed before leaving the safe house SMH.
There is a reason why the director in L4D2 would not spawn more than one special of each kind at the same time. Two Hunters at once was already one of the worst possible outcomes on certain difficulties in L4D1 but it had to happen sometimes because there were 4 slots for 3 "regular" specials. Not such a big deal most of the time, but a death sentence during a horde attack or if the team has already lost a survivor.
Throwing three huge ass mofos with the hp of a miniboss and fucking aoe attacks at you at the same time in a tight space is not something that should happen in a fair game.
"Hey Joe! You want to play a zombie game?" That never gets old.
except when they stop making zombie games or when Joe dies in which case we can ask his corpse!!
@@smallhatshatethetruth7933 he will play zombie games as a zombie
Oh it will when the Fandom makes reference to it all the time.
Ngl I got a laugh when the Acting Male said "I thought you were gonna kill me" and Joe just casually says "I was... I was." Lol
It's already old.
Man, that clip of the AI-controlled teammates endlessly following each other in a circle like a conga-line of cats chasing each other’s tails made me laugh so hard.
this says it all
I appreciate this review but have to say that youtube footage is from the Beta when they were completely broken is very unfair in a final release review.
Altho jittery and get stuck on things the AI is decent and makes the game ALOT easier on veteran. They have aimbot, drop ammo, ping weapons, focus fire where you ping, heal you constantly , have unlimited ammo, pipe bombs and molotovs and heal for free on health stations.
In beta they were busted AF and altho still not perfect they are legit better than 90% of randoms or ppl on a controller... judging by AJ gameplay the bots would also be better than him too.
All subjective criticisms completely fair but again the footage in video is the BETA bots and its kinda BS to show that and say "AI is dumb" the more you play with them you will realise they are actually pretty damn amazin.... l4d AI was still smoother and better as they didnt get stuck on everything but still, worth noting
@@frankylampard3931 I disagree, playing in a team of 3 plus bot. he will often refuse to heal even when you continually ping the wall medkit. Gets stuck everywhere. Loves to stand in front of a set up minigun. And will often refuse to free you while stending right next to you. Oh and a favourite place for a bot to throw a molotov is at your back agains single zombie you already killed.
@@Thorinbur all your complaints are correct, them getting stuck on everything, gettin in the way etc. They are buggy as fuck I agree. Weird thing is when you have more than 1 bot , they seem to heal me alot more and trust me trying to matchmake with randoms is way worse, random ppl jsut run off and die and steal ammo they dont need, il take bots anyday.
But my main point was that the clips shown was from a vid that got posted during beta and was way worse, i saw that vid months ago and thoughts its unfair to use that footage
Hope they can fix them alot more but when I said amazing i meant it makes Veteran actually doable with 2 players and 2 bots just for the ammo drops and how accurate they are at killing common zombies is great, also they use the wall medkit everytime for me, not sure why they dont for you.... maybe cos they are buggy still
@@frankylampard3931 If you're saying the L4D AI was "smoother and better" then B4B's AI must be the absolute worst, because the L4D AI was terrible
"Well let's see, I'm Francis, theres Grandpa bill and THERE'S ZOMBIE EVERYWHERE OPEN THE GOD DANM DOOR!"
Francis - 2008 to 2009
Better safe then sorry.
PILLS HERE
Francis? Imma teach yo ass how to READ!
If you look at the credits for Left 4 Dead, you see that literally 99% of the people that worked on it were Valve. Pretty much all Turtle Rock did was come up with the concept. That really explains the difference in polish between the two.
That said, I still enjoy the game, but without mod support, it's days are already numbered.
Only 9 people from turtlerock while the team that makes l4d are around 200 peoples. They really had the balls to claim they makes l4d
@@seasnow6073 Turtlerock was going for a dead-on-arrival speedrun by hyping their game up to the massive bar that is L4D when they had to have knew their game was shitty in comparison. Probably would've been better if they kept their mouths shut and let the game ride on its merits rather than off the back of a much better title, and in the end they wrote a check with their marketing they couldn't cash with their product.
It also explains that Evolve game with it's blueee cosmetics
@@Hyrule409 Theyre probably still salty Valve took so much over a technical legality issue. L4d is Turtle Rocks, but becuase so much of TR's former employees now work at Valve, l4d belongs to Valve.
@@chillhour6155 is that a blue? selling blue for 2$???
OJ's happy face always makes me smile. Like a kid who is so proud of something and is excitedly showing you what they did.
In this case, it's making Joe play another Zombie game.
And everyone reacts like “HE DID IT! HE DID THE THING!”
Now all we need is to find out this zombie game is charging for blue.
What made L4D2 campaign so good was the build up of tension to these set piece surprise attacks. There’s no tension in B4B it’s just constant chaos with special swarming you every corner. Also versus campaign was one of the greatest multiplayer modes in any game. You could coordinate with your friends on both sides and made for great planning and teamwork. The multiplayer in B4B just like the campaign is a chaotic mess
I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed how there is non existent pacing it’s just random chaos all over the place with no strategy no tension no nothing.
And no internet connection required
I literally bought this game for the multiplayer believing (hoping) it would be like the multiplayer from L4D2…. I’m done with video games
What's wrong with "constant chaos"? I happen to like that...
@@djandjb1 yes welcome to the club brother lol
Left 4 Dead will be remembered and played going on for years. Back 4 Blood will be forgotten in no time.
Melee attacks consuming stamina and no audio queues for the special infected were 100% dealbreakers for me.
Eh, even if you run out of stamina, you can still swing melee weapons, it's just slower. (Hell, even in L4D2, spamming shoves would eventually tire you out and prevent you from shoving for a bit)
Sameee
Also game developers don't do audible footsteps anymore, completely misses the point to what creates tension as well as giving the player better game sense
You do get audio queues for the mutated ridden
It's starting to feel like the only thing the game has of its predacessor is the name
The fact special infected have no sound cues like l4d yet are still as dangerous and require teammates to pry them off of you while doing MORE damage and spawning MORE OFTEN is the single most frustrating thing about this game IMO
They have listen catefully they all laught excep for the sniching
Don't forget how multiple of the same infected can spawn too, imagine if 4 hunters could spawn at once in Left 4 Dead 2, thats the type of shit you have to deal with.
boohoo baby wanna blanky?
@@Juggaliath actually I do yes
I'm really confused, because all the major ridden types have unique sound cues, the tall boy variants have a very specific roar that is easily audible upon the spawn into the map, same goes for spikers, reakers, and exploders. Though to me the gurgling snoring of sleeper always made me squint when I hear it. The boss types are audible everywhere, the ogre is accompanied by rumbling and roaring at spawn, and the breaker can be heard with it's roar multiple times as well as the breaking noises as it spawns, so I'm really confused why you say the don't have cues, they do, they just aren't catchy piano stings. Their callouts are still very useful, regardless of them being not being unique and catchy.
The Act-Man cameo was the cameo we didn't deserve but needed.
Act man is so good, I also love the channesl of raycevick, whitetlight and neverknowbest for long analasyis videos
@@henrik1743 Patrician, Salt Factory, and Joseph Anderson are also really good. Patrician made a 12 hour video on oblivion lmao
I'm surprised he wasn't calling to talk about New World tbh.
If you watched act man's video about l4d2, you would have seen it already. It was more an angry joe cameo.
@@FlyJonat indeed 👌🏼
L4D2 had the perfect mix of quips and light hearted commentary that made it so memorable
But at the same time the cast is grounded and still act like they're in a life or death situation. The cast of B4B act like they're taking turns with the mic at a comedy club.
LOLOL! Joe gluing attachments onto the guns was just comedy gold
I found the best part for me personally was quickscoping my friends in the firing range. Did that for hours..
FUCKING SAME
Seems to be a highlight for alot of people same here
Lmfao, when the beta dropped we failed our first mission and just did 1v1 at the range with the stupidest load outs…it was the funnest shit ever!
That’s the only fun to be had in this game
We do that a fucking lot
The act man showing up on an angry review is absolutely electric
And angry Joe showed up in his left 4 dead 2 video
I'm not sure how you can make a 15 years old game worse with much superior tech?
I mean,how on earth do you manage to have smaller zombie hordes with much more powerful gpu's/cpu etc?
Higher graphics.
(More proof that pushing stuff further is just plain bad)
@@fallongarens6734 But the graphics are pretty awful.🤷♂️
@@fallongarens6734 bullshit, days gone has arguably better graphics yet still has MUCH larger hordes
@@idonthaveone7576 The hordes you see in Days Gone are rivaled only by the Dead Rising franchise and maybe Project Zomboid. It really is amazing how many zombies you get in that game and if you get caught it's an immediate game over. Not because you have these bullshit health sponge special zombies but because you're being trampled to death by a concert venue's worth of zombies.
garbage optimization, source was truly a billion dollar engine
They hyped up this game as being made by the l4d creators when it was less than 5% of the original crew..
I love that Joe and Act Man are friends. Excellent cameo, two of my favorite game reviewers together.
Actman is a mega sell out for one of the worse companies in the world. No thanks.
@@jjct111 Really? Who?
@@niallreid7664 He did a New World review sponsored by, well, New World. Quite dissappointing to be honest but we all make mistakes.
I don’t think act man is great reviewers.
@@hardcoreLazors He went full corpo. F for Johnny Actinghand.
The cameo of The Act Man on AJS made my day.
Yeah man 😁
Act man is so good, I also love the channesl of raycevick, whitetlight and neverknowbest for long analasyis videos
@@henrik1743 i love act man and neverknowsbest. I haven't heard of the others. Ill look them up. Its something about watching long form videos on gaming thats so gratifying. I listen to them like audio books at work.
@@mrblackhouseprez Same man, they were a saviour during Covid. I watch neverknowsbest when I wanna sleep sometimes lmao
He is probably gonna try and sell you new world
“From the creators of Evolve.”
That intro was top tier XD I love that AJS had been going long enough to have so many 'in' jokes.
This feels like this type of game that a lot of people really got excited about, then it released to mostly positive reviews, but people forgot about it pretty quickly. And then some guy decides to revisit it a couple of years later and concludes that it was never really that great from the very beginning.
I feel u
Spot on.
@@yourcucumberissoftandyourg3114 Translate to English lol
@John Mangum or instead make it more unique, I know it has its quirks compared to L4D but to be honest it's not enough to make an identity, to give people a reason to pay 60$ for a game that's not all to different from cheaper games with a reputation and a known high player base
So basically Outer Worlds?
I just realised that the card system was turtlerock's way of compenating for "the director" of l4d.
Except the director in L4D actually knew how to time waves and use enemies, ammo, and items in reasonable numbers to make things difficult without ever being frustrating. Here, even the tryhards go around telling you that you have to play with specific decks a specific way if you want to succeed on higher difficulties, because all the director A.I. knows is how to spawn poorly designed enemies in ridiculous numbers at a high rate.
@@BucklingSwashes I feel like stalkers are the worst of this, they grapple like jockeys, except you can't rebel by shoving them in a teammates direction.
@@BucklingSwashes
“bUt dUde YoU haVE tO uSe tHesE spEciFic cArds In tHis DeCK”
@@Bentfrombeyond
Good luck finding out if it’s even a stalker if all the special infected literally look identical to each other
@@blmao5150 True, it's mainly the stalker and stinger that look too similar, the only way to tell is if the weakspot is on the chest or the head
OJ's smile when Joe snatches the box out of his hand is so wholesome.
"made by the developers of Left 4 Dead"
They mean 7. 7 developers from Left 4 Dead. Out of dozens.
I didn't think the beta was too easy. It was difficult af. Especially when the team takes every ammo and gun they find leaving nothing for you to use.
Man, that reminds me of L4D. That's where I learned people are even awful in a video game zombie apocalypse, nevermind a real one
Just like what would happen in real life
Recruit was super easy in the beta
This is a good lesson that studio in name alone is meaningless. It’s about the individuals involved.
nah, it's because valve kept them on track. turtle rock has amazing ideas, but can't make a game to save their lives. just look at Evolve, b4b has the same issues Evolve has
We learned that a long time ago with Bioware.
@@funzywunzy totally agree when valve make a game they always put alot of personality and passion on alot of aspects overlooked by others (like sounds, music, character, balance, physics ect). This feels more like a game made by an algorithm or machine to mimic what it thinks made those others successful. They could have succeeded too.
Turtle rock made a great game in their early days but i doubt its the same wide eyed developers still at the studio. they shouldn't have backed away from valve as a publisher with their creative differences and just improved on the left for dead franchise.
What, CDProjekt wasn't a good enough lesson to end all lessons?
That troll that intentionally ruined the mission just to be a dick is the reason I HAAAAAATE online only games. Well made, balanced bots with good commands is always better unless you have a dedicated group
Yep, same happens in raids sometimes, spend hours doing them and the host just to quits
I was that guy a lot of the time lmfao i loved screwing people right at the end and shutting the door
One of the many bullshit things behind this game was the marketing. Everywhere you see them proclaim "FROM THE CREATORS FROM LEFT 4 DEAD," and you compare the actual credits, and you see that out of the hundred+ people who worked on the left 4 dead games, only like FIVE of them are still at Turtle Rock for back 4 blood, and they weren't even important developers. Just five nobodies out of a hundred, and they're trying to manufacture this epic comeback by repeating "FROM THE CREATORS OF LEFT 4 DEAD-" like fuck off
It’s crazy that Left 4 Dead 2 still remains one of the greatest zombie games ever made, even after more than a decade
I still play it all the time.
*The greatest zombie game ever made
YES. With dying light a close second if not tied
I have it and i dont like it at all its just boring to me
Honestly i love dying light 100 times more
13:08
Totally agree with AJ here. WTF was TRS thinking not having those musical cues. I get they wanna create tension and what not but all this does is make sure players get frustrated as hell when two Tall Boys creep up on an entire team like they were ninjas.
Audio cues in L4D and Vermintide gave teams a bit of time for advanced planning and this extra layer of tactics really complements the fast paced gameplay style of these types of games.
Not to mention the fact that it adds memorability to the special enemies. Like I still remember the Charger and Tank themes from L4D over 10 years later.
The worst part about musical cues is there is actually one special that does have a cue which is the hag but only on the first mission you meet one. (From what I can tell) and it works so well me and 2 friends were playing and out of nowhere the fog intensifys and a spine tingling song starts and all of us start panicking god it was so fun. Honestly I wish there were more missions like that. The only missions that got the adrenaline pumping were the boat mission, the chapel(aka the hag intro), and the bar defense(just because that song is a certified bop).
music ques would've been bad imho. because the director throws multiple specials at u at the same time with them being different variants. it was easier to do them in l4d(2) because there wasn't that many + no variants/ so if u imagine multiple variants for ex of tall boy( tall boy + crusher/bruiser), and u have music ques going on at the same time for both variants as well as playing music for the stinger, then yea.. guess what happens to ur audio.
don't rely on a game to tell you there's danger, use your own awareness
@Kaheeros Oh! Are you still done playing back 4 blood? This guy you commenting is left 4 dead fanboy. He was not the kid,didn’t mean to disrespectful,are you Back 4 blood fan who defending your game and going against left 4 dead ? Just saying
The tank music legit made me cry as a kid, it was like the 2nd coming of christ in your headphones, with nothing but your screen shaking constantly lmao
"You can shoot from this way AND that way!" - OJ Had me rolling haha
1:25 is the reason why I am looking forward to Dying Light 2 review.
The contrast between l4d1/2 survivors and b4b survivors really reminds me how much respect is deserved for good writing and direction. It's like night and day.
Plus the general atmosphere is something to note too
Gotta disagree. I love the Cleaners. Molly is great, Mom is great, I love the fact they interact differently depending on which characters are in the party. I think a lot of people are seeing L4D through rose tinted glasses. The L4D survivors, while great, got super repetitive. Each level they said the same things, at the exact same moments. Ellis tells the same stories every time, and while funny the first few times, the 10th time it really starts to grate.
@@kanebravo953 Won't the Back 4 Blood characters run into that same problem though?
run or shoot..?
"..."
RUN OR SHOOT?!?
"BOTH!"
@@kanebravo953 Holly* man character can't be that good if you can't remember her name
I was waiting for the "Hey Joe, you wanna play a Zombie game?" joke, i was not disappointed XD
Why
They all suck at games bro
@@oblivion1971uesp because I find it funny
Same!! I was so happy to see it 😂
On the point of memorable lines, Louis's "Get to the roof" is something I'll probably never forget. It's why I pronounce "room" and "roof" as "rum" and "ruff".
Yeah, Crowbcat showed at the end of his Back 4 Blood vid that out of the 180 some odd devs from LFD2, only like 6 of them are still working for Turtle Rock. So don't trust the company, trust the talent, and clearly those six weren't it.
"You don't get anything for playing solo." Welp. That's a hard pass, then. Thanks for the heads-up, Joe.
Left 4 Dead sucked solo as well.
@@Budd631 L4D and B4B both contribute heavily from playing with friends. It's just that the L4D AI is better and you can actually play all of the levels by yourself without needed online players. It also had couch co-op. B4B won't let you earn anything solo, the AI is laughably bad, and no couch co-op, so you're basically forced to play online. Of course, B4B is still new, so plenty of time to make changes. As things are now, however, the game just doesn't deliver.
@@Budd631 It sucked, but at least it was working
@@oss956 lol the AI is better than most of the players I’ve gotten so far. I can only play through medium difficulty if I’m playing with AI... players alert every horde and waste all their resources as well.
@@Budd631 Yeah and that was OVER 10 years ago. I graduated high school, joined the military and got out, got married, had a child, suckered into a mortgage lol and in all that time these developers haven’t honed their skills in game development? I’m also a victim of their game Evolve and that too had no real single player either, just like Joe said Solo Campaign is a meaningless option on the main menu.
I hope one day AJ just accepts his fate and goes "....sure Joe, I'll play a zombie game"
Never! And can't wait to see it Dying light 2
The balls of Joe just drinking pickle juice straight from the jar on stream is pretty nuts
came here to say this! @25:07
Unironically dangerous though. Pickle juice has a fuckload of sodium and can straight up shut your kidneys down. Do not try at home.
OR green gatorade in a pickle jar, the same way people drink blue gatorade from a bottle of Windex.
My main complaint is how much the zombies will seemingly come out of nowhere endlessly and dog pile you
I just want the randomly physics back. The pipe bomb exploding the zombies everywhere was one of the things that made it fun in l4d
If you need a specific gun with specific attachments, this aint like l4d at all, l4d was about skill, not getting the best weapon and having little skill
The animations feel way more janky, too. For instance in 11:45, with Joe's character getting 'webbed' or whatever, it just looks jankier than I'd expect. Also when the bootleg Jockey drags players, it doesn't feel right.
Man, AJ really hit the nail on the head. Playing B4B (see, I used it Devs), it's clear the game isn't a bug filled mess thankfully. Instead, it's plagued by some really, really bonehead design decisions that AJ has captured in this review. While TRS could fix many of these in post-launch updates, I'm not so convinced that they are actually listening to their community.
They don't care about the community. Dropping attachments is something we've been requesting since the closed alpha and now they decided to lock that feature behind a card nobody's gonna use instead of making it default.
@@yaago My guess is that 3 months from now TRS will be wondering why the game doesn't have the longevity of the L4D games if they don't listen and respond to player feedback quickly. I doubt I'll play through the game more than a handful of times, unfortunately.
Look what they did with Evolve. They base their games around microtransactions and a business model meant to leach players of money.
@@beatsarebroken Actually right now the game has the same numbers as L4D2 and L4D2 is 12 years fucking old. The peak player count of B4B didn't even match L4D2's peak, infact it didn't even reach half of L4D2's. The game currently has lost 60% of the peak players it had in launch week. The game ISN'T even a month old. It's not even 20 days old yet at the time of me typing this.
For context, L4D2 has supported 10-20k players for 12 years. B4B 17 days old, has dropped massively to 10-20k players from 60k in a mere 17 fucking days
@@dolanmindo5545 Oof.
I can recount one time where I was playing with randoms, I had a Vector SMG kitted out with some of the best attachments in the game, and sweet load of copper to spend during each round. It was a satisfying feeling of achievement, but I had a random who was constantly shooting birds, cars, and triggering door alarms at every opportunity to start a horde and waste our ammo. Because there was no kick option, I had no other choice but the end the run and start another one, completely losing all of the good weapons and attachments I managed to get during the run. It was one of the most rage-inducing things I think I've ever experience in a shooter.
Put a mic in. Man up. Tell him to quit. Not that hard
@@absolutelypro4612 Ah yes, I'm going to quit if the guys that I'm trying to piss off actually do get pissed off and tell me to leave.
@@absolutelypro4612 Do you play video games? People who purposefully fuck with your game do it *SPECIFICALLY* to piss you off and make you get angry for the amusement. Plugging the mic in and engaging them is *exactly* what they want you to do, giving them a reaction eggs them on is what makes it worth it for them.
Well dont play on recruit and if he does that. Just blast his ass and leave him crying on the ground
In L4D the kick option worked because gamers were more laidback and casual but if B4B had it, then you'd see people getting kicked for the slightest mistake or even for looking new with no cosmetics and that would immedietly drive away the actual new players as well. In a four-player co-op it's unavoidable that sometimes you get bad players that ruin your run.
Saying a game is graphically better than game that's 12 years old is damning with faint praise.
Graphically better, artistically and atmospherically a tremendous backslide
19:58 That delivery was absolutely perfect. I cant stop laughing
Just watching reviews and how the game was marketed, it really feels like they were riding on the success of L4D/L4D2 to sell the game, and decided to be lazy in making B4B.
I think the vast majority of people, including reviewers and the creators of these games themselves, seem to miss is that the "Left 4 Dead" games were kind of built on a movie-concept. - The idea was that you're playing through like a movie or series or scenarios anyway, to the point that each campaign or chapter also had a chapter name, even its own poster (the loading screen and actual posters you could buy (RIP Valve Store)), and then ending with an actual credit-roll that showed the statistics of the gameplay in it. - And it's not like the game NEEDED that, in fact I've always felt like they could've done a little more with it or not bothered. However, the point is, that's what gave the game character, that was the theme (besides being horror/apocalypse), it created the settings, characters, ambience, and so forth. - This is what "Back 4 Bleh" did away with, whether it was intentional to either not bother or not do the same thing as their own "Left 4 Dead", or because of ignorance and overlooking the essences of those games. - This is why "B4B" lacks character and some immersion.
Exactly! And that's also why calling the game AI manager "Director" doesn't make sense either in this game ! While it perfectly made sense in the L4D world.
Back 4 bludd seems to still be built on movie concepts, however they're based on today's terrible, generic and forgettable movies full of garbage tropes. It's like playing in the worst of Netflix or too many seasons of the Walking Dead. Nothing new and they take it too seriously when they shouldn't. It's not even a funny parody like Dead Rising, or Lollipop Chainsaw.
So basically its killing floor
If gamers want the same game then go play the old ones
@@hamndv Yes, but it would have been nice if b4b had come out with something new, instead of just a deck of cards. Or at least improve upon l4d. It didn't do either. The fact that theres no versus campaign is the worst thing about this game. That arena style versus sucks, so why would I come back to the game after I'm done with the campaign?
“THIS ONE’S NAILED ON!”
“You’re welcome”
Might be the hardest I’ve laughed at any of your videos.
8:00 OJ dying with his gamertag as "I'm trying bro" is gold.
That arrogant you're welcome from OJ is basically what the devs are saying to you after we gave our feedback from the beta and they still didn't improve certain things. Single player campaign is utter trash. Completely pointless to do. And not able to kick useless players and trolls out is another amazing feature.....
No game should include a kick feature unless it's in a private lobby or ranked lobby (before match starts). Vote to kick gets abused way to much.
If I spend money on a game I expect to be able to play it and not be at the mercy of dickheads.
It's easy enough to just back out and find a new lobby if you dont like the team (not so much in b4b admittedly, match making takes forever)
@@Jiambo host your own game
@@basedsneedclave175 That's what I meant by private lobby.
My references for VTK abuse were mostly R6 Siege and Phasmophobia (the latter being all hosted games).
Casual match making or "quick play" should be an enter at your own risk situation. Deal with the team you are dealt or back out and try again.
You do have a good point but, hosting your own game doesnt guarantee people will join.
Imagine paying for a plane ticket and waiting in line just to be voted off the plane before take off. Then waiting for the next plane...repeat. No thanks. Obvious apple's & oranges comparison but reinforces my point about reasonable expectations of a purchase.
@@Jiambo Left 4 Dead has vote to kick and from the thousands of hours I put into that game, I can say I've been kicked unfairly maybe a few times, even in versus. As long as your name isn't senor dickhead, you'll be fine.
@@DJackson1232 i played TF2 another valve game and people get kicked all.the time for just playing the game well enough. Granted, it has a hacker and bot problem. But you can still tell those 3 things easily apart from one another but most just dont care about it and just enjoy trolling
The left 4 dead characters felt more alive because they were trying to *survive* the apocalypse, not just *fight* it.
It. L4D also had better writing and voice actors 😞
People battling the zombie apocalypse instead of merely surviving it was a new one for me. I don't think I've ever seen that in fiction.
@@joeyondakeys "hmmmm I wonder what this doc character does" or "hmm I wonder what this guy littered with hunter references is all about"
That’s a really good point, also about the characters, I love Holly to death but she probably has some of the most cringe worthy dialogue in the whole game.
Honestly I never cared for the story, just hopped in levels and shot zombies with the homies, I feel people seems to be putting too much emphasis on it. But hey if your into the lore I ain’t gonna put you down. Between me and my homies, we have not a clue wtf is happening in b4b or l4d lol, we just shoot stuff and get from point A to B
Other Joe as the comic relief is my favorite part of reviews. He just goes all out ! 😂
god i always love the opening skits, especially for zombie games
19:48 Alex’s height makes this way funnier than it should be
I mean the Dude is 6’5 Or Something
lol he barely fits in the screen
To be fair, Joe and OJ aren't very tall either.
Alex is a giant hunk of man. Not just tall..but thick AF. Wouldn't wanna be tackled by him, I'd be out of commission for a week
@@BloodyBobJr haha he should join. The wwe
So glad you brought up the terrible bot AI. In one of the levels where you had to defend the bar, one of my bots was running in place on top of the jukebox and lending zero support while we had to defend the location for like 5 minutes straight. What a nightmare.
Man tell me about it. Bots are STUPID glitchy! I cannot beat the last 3 levels on normal the difficulty spike is too high. I hope they patch this.
Wish they compared the L4D1/2 AI bots. Which never let me get kills cause they had Neo like reflexes, swapped for better weapons, always came to my rescue, and never got lost...sad really.
The bots were useless in the beta but not to bad now…atleast they drop unlimited ammo and heal you lol. The difficulty also scales down a lot the more bots you have
Bots are stupid. They can just get stuck doing jumping animations, one of my bots was just holding a health pack the entire match didn’t heal anyone and was walking up to specials with the health pack and getting KO’d over and over again.
It's even worse when it's the same developers of Left 4 Dead 1 and 2, which has some of the best a.i. I've ever seen. Back 4 Blood's a.i. is pathetic in comparison.
Only like 3 developers actually moved on to make back 4 blood. So basically none of the original team consisting of the writers, level designer, animators, and other roles moved on to make back 4 blood. They just used the, "from the creators of left 4 dead!" To get loads of hype.
184 folks are in the L4d credits. 7 work at Turtle Rock.
We all know that valve was the actual backbone of L4D and turtle rock was just the idea makers
Facts
OJ's username in that boat mission "Imtryingbro311" was just too perfect for that clip
I didn’t get it?
There’s an insane difficulty spike between easy and normal and it just kills the fun. I played with 3 other competent players, and we could barely make it to the first ogre in Act 1…just feels like shit.
afew questions, did u have good team comp, decks, play smart etc because vet and nightmare difficulty arent casual by any means, my current deck basically lets me melee fight ogres so idk what u mean ogre is hard
Your supposed to have a full build for veteran but the other builds dont even work right now. The melee abilities work but the shotgun and assualt rifle ones dont
You just need to get better at the game and also build a better deck. I'm almost done with Act 3 on Veteran. I felt exactly the same way as you when I first tried it. A lot of cheap deaths will occur though, namely to Tallboys or corruption cards that spawn crows everywhere.
It doesn't help that Recruit feels like a boring cakewalk while veteran feels impossible. So I'm forced to grind out the boring braindead easy campaign to unlock cards to even try the veteran campaign.
A good team or not, even with a teamwork set of decks and knowing the levels, the amount of spawn rate of specials get far too out of hand.
The fact that you have to play the entire campaign 9+ times just to unlock an outfit for a single specialist is insane
? You beat the entire campaign on nightmare once as a single specialist to unlock their skin. So if you want to unlock every ZWAT skin, you have to beat the campaign on nightmare 8 times.
I hope they listen and innovate rather than shelve the whole project. The part of the game where you blast zombies is pretty well made and fun
The beta testers said the hardest difficulty was way too hard, not that the other difficulty settings were too easy.
What about the ability to change the way the story progresses within the game play? Wouldn't it be cool to help a NPC and have them lead you to a bonus/trap area? If you needed some stat or equipment to get to a certain area that you could see from the main area. When you unlock doors it doesn't really do anything for you or do anything interesting.
The vs campaign would be awesome. If they didn't want to make the zombies playable they could have maps where two teams race through tracks on the same map to get to a common objective. Maybe a mini boss then an 8 player boss fight. Give weight to different metrics like time to objectives, zombies killed, head shots, copper collected, boss damage, etc. to declare one team a winner if they both survive. It would be cool to see smoke and gunfire from the other team as you are going along.
Funnily enough Joe its the opposite when you said "They must've gotten brutal feedback for the difficulty". Everyone in Beta pretty much agreed the difficulty transition from Easy > Normal/Hard was way too insane. Easy was a cake walk, but then normal was akin to being slapped around silly with how stupid the game director would be. Hard difficulty was just blatantly unfair. Its like they took our feedback and did nothing with it. Its just not fun when the game director decides to spawn 3 tallboys that can sprint faster than you and 1 shot you, and also become bullet sponges all in the first 5 minutes of the first level.
Dude we had 8 Tallboys plus spitters and the hoard, on recruit! So yea....
Truth is, ya'll just bad. I've been running the Campaign on Veteran with only 1 friend and we are doing it farily easy. Sure, we only completed act 1 on veteran and act 2 is way harder but it's doable. Learn the game. Build some decks. Have a healer. Play smart. Get those team upgrades. Etc. Tons of ways.
Melee is super broken. I can 1 or 2 shot ARMORED tallboys on veteran.
@@CptVein go outside and find some friends bud you can do it
I have beaten all of Veteran mode with a friend and it's stupid hard some runs but other's are quite easy. Used a melee build while my friend used a scavenger build, having a lot of ammo and copper helps a lot. Someone who can do a lot of crit damage can also help and melee builds nullify all the tallboys and the breaker since hitting a weakspot with melee stuns. I wished there was an option between vet and recruit so I can have a more casual time instead of constantly worrying that I'd die from a random special infected.
Yea me and my friend played and were completely murdered barely after act 1 level 2
I think they did amazing replicating a modern gaming troll and putting it into an A.I.
Well, can't even say you'd have a better time with bots, who'd run in circles, too…
Look at the pipe bomb. Notice how the zombies just disappear into a tiny red mist. Left 4 Dead had zombie gibs being sent flying all over. Like what is the point if you don't nail those small details to make the weapons feel good?
"Back for blah" lmao, that is perfect
Just a thought when I was in culinary school, instructors would always tell us whenever we have a practical exam to always keep our dishes simple. It's good to try and make complex things/techniques BUT the best way to express skill and technique is on a simple well put together dish. It reminds me of left 4 dead. The design is so simple, yet the gameplay regarding how players tackle the map/infected/special infected is varied and complex.
As a fellow cook from a culinary school I agree much in this and also want to add..
"Learn when to stop".. Sometimes your pursuit to this perfect good looking dish can eventually overthrow the beauty of it because you tried to put too many stuff on it that it ruins the flavor and the presentation..
I know innovating from this generic co-op zombie horde shooter can be quite tough but throwing all the things in the sink and hoping something will stick can also hurt the game..
More movement options can be a good start, ala Dying light..
This is probably the philosophy over at Valve. They are very experimental and open there, as far as I could tell, yet they're also very concise when it comes to making decisions. - If you look at their games as well; It's all about very clear gameplay-mechanics and getting players to use them and play the game properly. - It seems Turtle Rock either didn't learn from their time with Valve or just forgot about it. - Because all this modernized crap they've shoved into it like "XP" or "currency" and "cards and all that crap has no place in this kind of game. - It should be way more about the use of the weapons and tactics, as it's about humans fending off aggressive undead. And whether you win or not depends on how you approach the game with the tools that it provides to you. And those tools shouldn't be everything and the kitchen sink, it should be a limited amount of things, making you have to choose wisely and play accordingly.
The cards and attachments seem cool, but with some poor implementation and just too many cards (either over power, overly specific, or on the opposite end, too generic and forgettable). I love RPGs but too many games are trying to add RPG-like elements that just don't jive well, like Dying Light and Assassin's Creed.
I could have swore when I replaced an attachment the old one fell on the floor and was able to be put on a different gun. I only played for like an hour though so I could be wrong.
Yes. Thats absolutely true, attachments dont dissapear, they drop on the ground.
Joe has a bad history of not really sitting down and actually learning the game especially if it’s one he’s not genuinely excited to play you can see this in his reviews a lot.
Clutch comment tbf
When you REPLACE it yes but you cant take off one without replacing it
@@bennycostello2472 true...i guess you need the luck of draw of a replacement attachment in the shop to buy so you drop the attachment you want to equip on your new gun...
Left 4 dead took 100s of people to make those games. This was only like 2 or 3 guys and they get the title of making L4D. They were just trying to make a Buck IMO
Someone should tell Joe to watch that new l4d vs b4b comparison video. Literally only 7 people from l4d out of like almost 200 worked on this game. It's literally false advertising which explains a lot
Needs a split screen co-op mode like L4D man, I would have immediately brought this if that was the case, regardless of the flaws
the game is free on gamepass
Exactly we need MORE couch coop games
I think we can see here Valve acted as a quality buffer for the L4D games. Turtle rock here are decent but they don't know how to bring their game over the line to be great.
@@wrath231 Your not getting couch coop anymore in anything more complicated than a Lego game....People don't get to cry about how games should be 45,00k and 120,000fps, photo realistic and then cry about couch coop. The game has to render everything twice and when its graphically intense thats not going to happen.. They can't even manage it in Halo infinite and its a F2P SNES game.
@@seancouger007 Gamepass is a cancer and its going to be hilarious when it kills gaming because games stop selling...MS isn't paying what the publisher could make on sales of the game, games make most of their money in the first month. But not when the trash welfare gamers get to get them "free" on gamepass. Good thing 90% of RE Village sales were on PS consoles otherwise RE wouldn't have sold shit.
20:00 the way OJ said “you’re welcome” 😂😂😂
This may be my favorite bit they've done ever haha
OJ is the best.
Had me weak. If I was AJ I wouldn't have been able to keep a straight face.
OJ was actually acting there
7:40 should be "Playing any existing videogame with a friend will always be fun" ... if a game canot be fun without friends then that game is not worth playing, because doing EVERYTHING with friends is more fun, so it does not count.
Seriously
I personally call this game, not back for hipster blood
Since joe and act man know each other, here's hoping we can get a collab review someday.
Yeah when half life 3 decides to show face probably
Remember, you could have "fun with friends" just sitting in a pile of garbage, throwing it at each other.
For how long could you imagine having fun doing that alone? lol
"C'mon Coach.... maybe.... the helicopter.... is made of chocolate!" 😂❤ F*cking L4D2 will be with me forever. B4B? Nope I'll forget it ever existed within 5 years.
When I was a little girl I played daily on my Xbox for hours enjoying the achievements and map layout. I knew where all weapons were... I used to be be Rochelle... loved playing loved starting the horde
The first two, three minutes of this video might be a new contender for "best opening to an Angry Joe Review".
For me, the best opening is still Mass Effect Andromeda. Those damn googly eyes get me every time.
For me the best opening is the ghost recon brekpoint one, where Billy Mays shows up to ask if you're an idiot
I think we all forgetting about the Battlefield 1 opening
The gfuel promotion?
@@damn6039 That’s a great one as well. Alex as Billy Mays is perfect serendipity.
“No split-screen”
Well fuck, that’s the only way I’d buy it is to play couch co-op with my wife. She and I still play L4D2 together to this day. She was looking forward to this release, too…
MARRY HER
@@kanseidorito5287 I did almost 12 years ago, lmao. Got her into gaming with me, still working on her trying Warhammer or Malifaux…D&D was a success though!
@@Backstabmacro How do you do that sensei?
Split screen is the biggest selling point for me for every game. Without split screen, you can be 80% sure I won't buy it.
@@AlejoConejo-vb8ln Same, I want to be able to play with my wife who doesn’t want her own console or PC, she just wants to share with me.
@Francisco Galvan Turns out she likes zombie games, lol. She was so into L4D2 at one point that I would come home from work and hear the game blaring from my living room window before I even got in the house, her screaming for help from the AI characters the whole time, hehe.
“Well I didn’t want the attachments to fall off”
“This one’s nailed on!!!!!!!”
“You’re welcome”
ive been watching your videos for years man and i gotta say 9.5 outta ten times i feel the exact same way as you about these games and shows, love the content and i gotta say your sense of humor is great keep it up!
When I played Left 4 Dead 2 as a kid, I was thoroughly enjoying it, I was investing so much time into it and was begging for more, the replayability is almost infinite and I still love it to this day. This game however, doesn't give me that same feeling, I played it for 2 hours and I was already bored from it
I played 3runs and was bored asf never touched it since
Versus mode with friends is something else
I've been playing l4d2 for 10 years and it's still as fun as 10 years ago. The polish of this game gives it huge replayability value. Every match feels different. I've played B4b for about 10 or 20 hours and feel so bored of it already. Maps are boring as hell and the game just has no charm and personality overall.
Watch crobcat video and you will know why
@@user-vs2kt6jn8u l4d or b4b?