This is why my grandpa always said "never buy the first few years of a new vehicle, regardless of who makes it. Let everyone else find the weak points". 😂
Not bad advice, but this isn't a design problem so much as a manufacturing problem. They can't design an engine to withstand random amounts of randomly sized debris in random places throughout your engine block. 😂
@@brandonroeder2461 but its still a problem. And since I didn't run out and buy a tundra I don't have to deal with it. Thats the point. Its not limited to design flaws but also manufacturing processes.
Yet those Toyota Cultists will whine and complain about every other car. It's amazing how often I'm told how unreliable my Fords are when they give me zero issues. Including a 04 Expedition with 338K. That old girl would start and run like a top every single day with ice cold factory AC, and she looked good while doing it.
The worst part is their warranty strategies on this.. Your mechanic need to strip the engine down to remove and send the problematic part. idk about most people but i don't want my under 20k engine to be rebuilt, without mentioning the skill of your mechanic will greatly influence the reability of your new truck for years now
Not only that, but imagine the time it is going to take for the labor. And if with the number of vehicles affected, imagine the wait time on parts. On top of the backlog of other vehicles that are ahead of you for the same exact issue. You could be waiting MONTHS.
@@tonycj7860probably around 3 days per vehicle it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to clean an oil pan and replace the main seals it’s getting into it which makes it hard
@@cars654You can count Toyota's massive failures on one hand. GM's are innumerable. For every one GM product that makes it to 200k miles, there are a hundred Toyotas that have made it past the 400k mile mark. My work vehicle is an '04 Tahoe with 310k on the original engine and transmission. It's definitely one of GM's most reliable models... but it's still a giant piece of sh*t, and I'd still much rather have to rely on a Toyota product. Toyotas, overall, are superior to GM vehicles by just about every conceivable metric.
@@HenrikHolmesson Had my groceries delivered by this chick in a yukon. She couldnt leave because her shifter linkage fell apart in my driveway....lol. Go GM
@@HenrikHolmessonhave 2 friends that have newer Silverados one just had the engine replaced and the other a transmission both only had less than 70k miles and my cousin had a newer Yukon with the same drive train with 60k I told her to get rid of it before it costs her money
Now we can say that Toyota is a true American manufacturer, since they unlocked the "build a truck that grenades itself in under 10k miles" achievement.
@@clapclapscream Right now they are finding every excuse not to take in a truck that has a grenaded engine. Toyota dropped the ball hard on this both during manufacturing and after sale care.
@@clapclapscreamwrong. Toyota isn't even sending crate engine replacements. By warranty they are only replacing the block, meaning your mechanic has to strip the old block to assemble the new one. Recipe for disaster.
Traded in a lemon Tacoma... (we called it the Lemona 🍋) for an F150 5.0. This F150 is at 89k with zero issues since new. That Tacoma proved to me how far Toyota will go to NOT acknowledge a problem. Getting them to stand behind their warranty was an absolute struggle. Someone once said Toyota is Japanese for "Class Action Lawsuit... so true. All those rusted out frames Toyota had to replace years ago? Toyota finally stepped up to the plate after multiple class action lawsuits. People act like Toyota cares about them... lol, what a joke. Toyota just moved their Tacoma production to Mexico... yet they are asking even MORE for the truck while the consumer is getting LESS. Stop acting like the people who think Subaru is all about peace and love ✌🏾... these are companies trying to make the largest profit possible. 😅
Same shit with the kia motors. Mine was just replaced at 117k for the same reason! Good motor design but theyre too busy with quantity over quality and hipe most people arent frugal and make them hold thier end of the deal when the rod bearing goes due to oil starvation!@franksmythe6969
@@jesusisking8502 it's encumbered by too many requirements and restrictions while having to produce about the same power as 100 of the primitive model T engines.
@ThinkingCrimson or just switch to newer technology and switch to an EV magnetic engine that has no friction and has more torque, and save money on bs fuel prices going up, lol
What are you thoughts on it only applying to the non-hybrid models? I'm thinking those would have the same issue they just didn't hit the recall due to not losing all power because of the hybrid motor.
Remember.. in the Movie FIGHT CLUB, when he's explaining, Law Suit ratio vs Death or injury, if it's worth doing a official Recall.. Once they have agreed to bite the bullet and declare a Recall is needed.. like the Dude (Technician) said it's a higher number..
yep, at that time the coolant systems for the machining where not even close to what we have now, this story about debirs is total BS, is a design problem in combination with going cheap on the sand molds.
This is a great video to send my X in answer to her suggestion “Why don’t you just go buy a new vehicle instead of fixing your old cars?” New cars have their own problems which prevent them becoming old cars!
Why buy new when you can install an Edison Motors HEV pickup upgrade kit--AWD, of course!--into a 1972 Ford F100 with a solid body but a worn-out drivetrain and have something beautiful that can pull anything.
So, a company that has been building reliable engines for longer than I have been alive, suddenly forgets how to properly clean a block after the casting process. This is why you NEVER believe the official story.
@@alistairlewis2461I like watching videos of people in places like Pakistan machining stuff on the side of the street with a dirt floor and strategically bent bit of metal to substitute as measuring calipers. Maybe that’s where the engines are getting done now
imagine being stranded on the side of the road because your new Toyota's engine blew up just for the emergency exit door of a Boeing 737 MAX to come crashing down and hit your car
I have the Sequoia with the iForce 5.7 V8. I talked to a guy who had traded his in almost a year ago, for the new model with the V6tt. He said it is great for reducing gasoline expense in low speed and low weight situations; however towing his dump trailer, camper, or boat take more fuel than the V8 did. He said highway speeds (65ish) gave about the same mileage as the V8. He wanted his old one back. 😂
So for those who dont know, blocks are cast in sand and often with styrofoam acting as a part of the mold as well. Once cast they cool down get the sand bits vibrated off and some simple cleaning, then on to machining where the parts like bearings and all the threaded holes are machined in, this leaves tons of chips and some sand from casting. They use to blast cleaning solution through every passage something that took a few min per block to hook up and run through the giant dishwasher. Accountants saw this as a labor intensive step and decided just to toss them in the industrial dishwasher without directly cleaning the oil and coolant passages. This is what cause all those kia engines to blow up. And now toyota of all companies are doing that toxic cheap trait
The irony in this situation is quite striking given Toyota's history with the Toyota Production System (TPS). TPS is renowned for its emphasis on quality, continuous improvement, and the elimination of waste. It’s ironic that a company which pioneered such meticulous standards in manufacturing is now facing issues due to cost-cutting measures that directly contradict those principles. The decision to skip a critical cleaning step to save labor costs leading to significant quality failures, is a big departure from the core values that made Toyota a benchmark in the industry.
The best thing Toyota could do right now is come out and acknowledge their mistake in jumping on the turbo V6 bandwagon, and immediately start offering the 5.7 V8 again. Then let the market decide what it wants.
@shadowhound5113 Bingo. Toyota have all but perfected hybrid technology, considering how far the Prius has come and for how long its been in production. That's exactly what they should have done. Smaller displacement V8, maybe based on their tried and true 4.7L, plus a hybrid battery. Probably would have been good for 25+ mpg and 500+hp/tq.
@koomo801 oh I know.. its the EPA and the government doing it. If anything, they should have updated their bulletproof 4.7 V8 that used to come in the 4Runner and 1st gen Tundra, that was still used in some Lexus SUVs, updated it and turned it into a hybrid. That is a million mile engine, plus it's smaller displacement and if you paired it with a Prius style hybrid battery system... you got a 25mpg/400hp/500tq plus RELIABLE drive train. Toyota has all but perfected the hybrid system. They really screwed up jumping on the TT V6 bandwagon.
@@caseytodd7632 Agreed. My 25 year old '00 Tundra V8 has had one coil go bad. That's it. Too bad the EPA and the horsepower wars are forcing their hands.
Doesn't matter where it is built these days - it matters what the current corporate culture is on quality/durability & sadly neither Toyota or Honda are the same companies that they used to be in that regard. My new 2020 Japan-built Toyota was the worst vehicle that I have owned in 40+ years & 11 different new Toyota, Honda & Acura vehicles during that time. Purchased my first Mazda in 2022 (built in Mexico, CX-30 CE) & no problems or defects to report going on 2.5 years owned/driven now.
@@dystopia-usaagreed. The machines are mostly doing the building. I thing a big problem is that companies engineer things to break after a sufficient amount of time so you can buy a new one instead of using technological advancement to build something that lasts
@@dystopia-usait absolutely matters where it's built. These are built in the US. US has always had lesser build quality. Why I wouldn't but a new Honda or Toyota product unless it came from Japan.
Making a V6 do the work of a V8 what I mean making same route and HP as a V8 alot of stress on the V6 that's why they failing it high RPM making that kinda power from a V6 comes at a cost in the long run
@@slabbusterrtr7690Literally the basics of turboing any car. Unfortunately its a 360 win for manufactures and government. Car gets better emissions, better performance and dies quicker so they can get you paying that car note more.
Bro what I've been a mechanic for 15 years I've never had that happen I've seen old people that put 28 miles on it in a year want an oil change but not what your talking about
@@zakpike4582 The guy believed there was metal in the engine and so the first few hundred to a thousand miles he changed it a bunch of times. After that just changed at normal intervals.
Always the exact same bearing fails? It could be debris that is occurring on a specific drill path leading to this bearing. Some drill/CNC/port not getting properly flushed or worse keeping debris in that port/spot. Manufacturing has so many details that can get missed when whipping by MBA coin changers going on.
The engines are identical, from different CNC machines in different plants. The flaw is therefore identical across every engine. Why you have to see a conspiracy in everything, I don't know.
At least Toyota claims this is what’s causing the issue. I’ve read about 2024 models experiencing the same problem so expect this recall will expand. Toyotas quality as of late has been disappointing.
I’ve been an automotive technician for over 21 years. I work for a luxury European brand. A few years ago we started having machining debris issues, causing engine damage. In fact we still are dealing with it, though now it’s causing cooling system issues. I have it on very good authority, that other manufacturers have been dealing with this issue as well. In fact this is the first I’ve heard of the issue with Toyota and before you even stated what it was I was thinking to myself “machining debris.” I’ve heard the reason this all started and why it’s affecting multiple brands is because of new environmental rules/laws that pushed auto makers to conserve water and reduce harsh chemical usage. This resulted in reduced and or less effective cleaning after the machining processes. Don’t get me wrong, the new law is a noble goal, but until this issue gets sorted, I’m quite positive that all the failing engines, clogged cooling systems, and other unintended consequences are likely doing far more harm to the environment then the old way was. Assuming they can get this cleaning/flushing debris removal issue solved while still conserving water and reducing chemicals, then that’s good. I hope they can do that, but if my brand is any indicator, I ain’t gonna hold my breath.
Toyota limited it to under 100k knowing they'll extend that to early to late made 23s as well. Toyota held back to make it seem less of a problem than it really is
Machining debris wouldn't exclusively damage the main bearing. Also I find it hard to believe both Japan and US factories making the engines would miss machining debris, especially Japan, for a hundred thousand engines.
These problems are all exclusive to the American made tundras, the Japanese ones are completely safe and I believe don’t have any recalls except for the fuel line
love em or hate em you can’t tell me toyota doesn’t care about there customers. they are arguably the best brand when it comes to recalls. they often offer the recalls for tens of years
Kia and Hyundai said the same thing about their 2.4 liter engines that were coming in with the #3 rod sticking out the side of them. It eventually ended up as a recall and that was their official story was “machining debris” which had wiped out that particular bearing. Nobody at the dealers that had taken one of those engines apart believed that.
Don’t spread misinformation. Early on, we had to disassemble and inspect for a cause before the recall was launched. Definitely debris from the U.S. manufacturing facility that did not properly flush the block and oil galleries.
@@lrich8181 Correct. Only very early on did the district service reps require a teardown. Initially it was a short block and balancer assembly replacement, but it just became a long block replacement later.
@@lrich8181 That's because no one can rebuild those engines, they're trash. go and ask an engine builder if they will rebuild a kia/hyundai engine - if they say yes it's because they have no work, but they know the rebuild will fail.
A symptom of an overall decline in QA Inspections, Employee Working/Living Standards, and the work ethic/attitude of working class people everywhere. Glad to see the Fortune 500s aren't immune, hopefully standards are raised for both Employee Compensation and Quality Control.
Fortunately they’ve caught it at 100k potentially affected vehicles… Instead of burying their heads in the sand until it was over a million like Hyundai/Kia.
@@Jonathan_Doe_ You're forgetting that those vehicles made by Hyundai/Kia had this issue, but the machinging debris was much smaller than in Toyotas, which is why the Hyundai/Kia engines were blowing up much much later in life, after many vehicles had already been produced. TL;DR: Toyota is addressing it now because the engine failures are happening now. Hyundai/Kia addressed it late because the engine failures started happening late.
@dominicg2456 people don't seem to understand how recalls work, and don't understand engines for mass produced cars are not hand built so things will be missed. Which is different from a design flaw
I had a Hyundai that came out of the Alabama plant by Montgomery when they had those Honduran kids working and the engines from that plant had metal shavings in the engine clogging oil lines and the engine blew because of it and they were supposed to replace the engine but fought me about it
@@VroodenTheGreat I never said they were or weren’t great, you’re putting words in my mouth. Tf? Your response makes no sense. We’re obsessed with shitting on this engine and lauding the 4.6 and 5.7 when in reality they also had issues early on. Make that make sense.
Ahh machining debris. My Tacoma has a recall for, “welding slag” that can cause axle separation and apparently an airbag clock-spring issue as well. I also discovered the bed is shifted like 1/2” to one side of the cab. Didn’t notice until I saw my RTT wasn’t centered despite knowing I centered the fuck out of it. Also mag props to Tinkerers Adventure, from one engineer (electrical tho) to another that guy is legit.
That's why being ultra brand-loyal is futile. Toyota does indeed build good vehicles, but all of the sudden they have the worst full size truck on the market. My Silverados never blew up, and now I own a Subaru. Brand loyalty will blind you to a vehicle's issues.
They build mediocre vehicles and haven't built anything amazing in a decade. Toyota drivers don't like to drive so the vehicles aren't driven hard hence why a lot of the perception is that they are reliable still.
Or… just don’t buy them brand new, wait a few years and let the kinks work out. Buy one partially used w low miles a few years after they come out, get basically a brand new truck for half the price and know it’s not a time bomb.
@@cwx8we don’t like to drive?? lol. Son I put 40 miles on my tundra a day. Some days I drive triple that. The real issue is people buy them that can’t afford to go anywhere while they make payments, and payments for aftermarket parts…too many people live beyond their income bracket. People don’t buy Toyota trucks to let them sit. They aren’t super cars and they aren’t track cars, we buy them to work and have fun.
Debris in the engine makes no sense since the affected engines are produced in Japan and the US (Alabama). The bearing assembly in question is made by the same manufacturer and sold to both of the assembly plants. The question is whether it’s a bad batch or a bad design.
@@VroodenTheGreat the recall says that those hybrid models have different pressure on the bearings for some reason, and also have electric power in case of a engine stall/stop.
as a Toyota tech, lol. Toyota is trying to figure out the cheapest way to do the recall right now rather than what should be a complete long block engine replacement for everything the metal contaminated oil touches. I bet the procedure boils down to replacing a bearing on most engines, an oil flush with a few filter changes and an announcement on a 'warranty enhancement' of the engine that extends it for another 100k should the condition present itself.
The Rod Bearing Compression Test is EXACTLY why hundreds of thousands of Kias and Hyundais have had engines replaced over time. And the "machining inside" was the exact reason they initially gave as well
I think cars should have chip detectors in the engine and transmission just like aircraft do. It’s essentially a small gap of two magnets, if any metallic particles are loose in the oil the particles attach and bridge the gap of the detector and illuminate a light telling you there is metal in your oil.
@@cjin0101 yea..if your pressure gauge is reacting to metal in the oil that’s way beyond fixing. Chip detectors pick up extremely fine dust sized particles so you shut down the engine before any lasting damage could take effect.
My 2011 Tundra and 2015 Sequoia have the 5.7L. I test drove one of the new ones to see what I was missing. I know it supposed to have more power on paper, but it felt much more sluggish than either of my older vehicles.
Good for the recall, bad for only providing a short block and making the dealerships tear the whole truck apart. Not exactly a controlled and repeatable process. I guess the paperwork says, your mileage may vary....as well as the reliability.
You'd probably be amazed at how little the tech will get paid to replace the short block. If anything goes wrong shortly after he'll fix it for no pay. The world of flat rate.
@@treborheminway3814 I worked for Toyota as a Tech then an MDT. Took all schools. Never saw a video or any thing relating to establishing flat rate times. A woman pulls the times out of thin air. Knowing the Techs can either like it or lump it. It's called taking one for the team when you get screwed out of your pay. If you don't like that soon you're down the road and they hire in another sucker to take one for the team.Get It?
My problem with a short block is that if it blows again does the manufacturer or the dealership take the hit and fix it, i see potential for finger pointing. Plus given the size of the recall Toyota should set up a separate engine line and do remanufactured long blocks so it's plug and play at the dealership.
Yes 5448 aluminum engine blocks do warp a bit under heat and stress race cars have aluminum blocks but In the boring pedestrian world cast iron engine blocks are more practical
Excuse me but these issues have been happening since 2018, ever since this 3.4 turbo V6 engine debuted in the LS500. Multiple threads in the Lexus forums with failure going back to 2018, and in some cases with 2 or 3 engine replacements! Toyota kept ignoring it on purpose to buy time and to see with just how much they could get away with. If it weren't for the NHTSA opening an investigation, Toyota wouldn't have done a "voluntary" recall. Every giant car manufacturer is evil, greed is their motto, whether it be GM, Ford, Hyundai, Stellantis, Toyota, or Honda. Support the smaller manufacturers.
It's a "zero" weight oil problem. Use 5W-30 oil, and all of these "manufacturing defects" go away. Plain bearings (rod and main bearings) NEED a cushion of oil to ride on, and 0W-20 or even worse, 0W-08 oil simply isn't sufficient. This is the fault of government and EPA regulations...not poor design. The car manufacturers are NOT allowed to tell you that tho. Machinist and mechanical engineer of 35 years.
@@Chris-te7uk I’m a mechanical engineer and been for 52 years. My emphasis was internal combustion engines. I’ve tested the on engine dynos and conducted research on them. Though other manufacturers specify 0W-20 oil, they haven’t seen anywhere near as much bearing failure that these 3.4L TT Toyota engines have seen.
@@Chris-te7uk The U.S. produced blocks in were not getting flushed properly after machining. We received a technical service bulletin for the inspection process, reasons why, and photos of what debris to look for.
Once Toyota replaced the Tacoma's 3.4L 5VZ-FE Engine that had a Cast Iron Block with these new Aluminum 3.5L engines, I was done. My old truck was literally bulletproof and never had an issue even after 3 hurricanes. Now Toyota and their infinite wisdom put a V6 in the Tundra and is no longer making the V8. Now I am completely done.
I was ready to buy a full-size Toyota pick up with a V-8 right when they did away with the V-8. I have no interest in a V6 TwinTurbo from any manufacturer. The used V-8 Toyota trucks are impossible to find because now everyone wants one.
@@Madddog87 I had a Duramax/Allison GMC And decided I really didn’t need a diesel, so I didn’t keep it very long. Luckily I never had the wimpy pin in the crankshaft fail. I have to run with a gas powered V-8 is what suits me best.
They are not impossible to find. I can see a dozen of them on Autotrader. What is harder to find is one that isn't black, white or grey. I just bought a red 2020 Tundra last month.
@@damondiehl5637 Anything but red for me. 😂 Thanks for responding to my comment. If I get serious I imagine I can find one but I am an old codger at this point so I’ll be looking for something that’s fairly local. The way I understand it these manufacturers with all the models they produce have to achieve the highest miles per gallon average through the whole line, so of course they’re gonna cut the V-8’s every chance they get.
@@m00nkinftwobviously they have had bad engines but the good outweighs the bad. That’s the difference with Toyota that America car companies can’t say the same about.
Heres the big difference. They warranty their produce when they realize they f'd up. Even long after mandatory warranty peroids expire and not because of class action lawsuits. Toyota fan boys exist en mass for a reason.
The failure has been reported in engines made in Japan and in the USA. That means it's a procedural error during engine assembly that has been followed by engine assembly workers in both countries and is not quality related. Toyota has identified the problem and corrected it in their assembly lines. They have recognized the problem rather than try to conceal it and are recalling those vehicles that might suffer from it. Sounds like responsible corporate behavior to me.
Toyota needs a class action lawsuit for this. Telling someone their new 60K truck is gonna have a rebuilt engine now is bullshit. Sue the shit out of them
@@privateer9181 well... my limited with all the bells and whistles and trd off road package. And totally decked out to the max was 65k out the door... I think you are probably one of those who doesn't own one right?
That engine, from what I understand, is made in the USA and in Japan. Both countries manufacturers are making the engines incorrectly? I don't know about that.
@@Walterrinhoyes, then they ship those blocks to the two factories, including a little white package containing "debris" and instructions on exactly where to put it. 🙄
@@MrSleepProductionsIncYou're not wrong but if anything in the chain isn't up to spec it pays off to have experienced and trained staff. They can catch a lot of these things before it's a mass problem within the product line..
@@oliverheaviside2539oh great. Thats not right...these truck owners deserve a new engine, top to bottom. Metal filings get everywhere, and omce it chews the bearings, even worse.
@@1gbayfisher You are correct, and taking the entire front body of the truck apart and then disassemble the whole engine to swap the short block is a technician’s nightmare, takes a month or longer, and something inevitably will not be done right. And the recall is for 96,500 trucks!
It's a great truck, I've owned six over the last 27 years and this is my favorite. If they fix the issue on recall I'm fine, I'm not going to worry about it. Fantastic truck.
"Machining debris" means they're not paying their workers enough and all the good, conscientious people left for better jobs. It's a stupid problem that should never happen.
I just can't believe with all the testing they did before launching this truck ,they didn't run in to any of these issues and there are a lot of issue not just engine
I helped a lady with a warranty on an engine that left the factory with improper machined blocks that left shavings in the engine. I replaced a starter and 2 days later the engine grenaded itself. After some research i found her block number came from a recalled factory that had this same issue with debris in the blocks.
WW2 planes had turbos and that was over 80 years ago. My 1986 Buick Grand National has no issues with a turbo, my 2016 Subaru STI zero issues, my 2001 Dodge Ram Cummins turbo diesel has over 200,000 miles on original engine, my wife’s 2019 Honda CRV has a turbo with 70,000 miles no issues, my 2019 Ford F150 2.7 twin turbo is running perfect at 24,000 miles.
The problem is when turbocharged engines are worked hard and often. A modern N.A. V6 is what is termed High or super High Output as it is. So much stress on internals because of how much power they produce. Add twin turbos to the equation and nearly 500 hp and tow a trailer … just like the Ecoboosts, they have lots of issues when worked hard.
Not only do you get an overpriced POS but you also get the honor of spending the day with one of the bottom 3 life forms on the planet, a car salesman. Maybe someday car companies will wise up and make good vehicles we can all go to Costco and be in and out withing 5 minutes.
@@rx7241 You cannot buy a car AT Costco. Costco provides a slight discount, but you still have to go to a car dealership and hassle with a car salesman (the lowest lifeform on earth) about trade ins, finance if needed, upcharges and extended warranties, the special pinstripe and paint protection they got like $5 in and try to sell it for $1000.
The same kind of issue happened in FPT 9L engines a few years ago, the blocks weren’t cleaned out entirely from the casting stage, and had grains of sand baked into the block, which would eventually come loose and work their way into bearings and seals
I am not a Toyota Fan boy but Toyota is doing the right thing and addressing this issue head on. It’s an unfortunate mistake, and all manufacturers have issue like these. Being that Toyota has built a solid reputation of being reliable the public loves to see them humbled by this problem. It’s how a company handles their mistakes that says the most. Give this truck 3 years on the market and they will have the bugs worked out of it.
It's the least they can do lmao, stop praising them for doing their job and fulfilling their obligation as a car manufacturer that manufactures a shitty engine
I had a 2020 RAV4 and it was the biggest pile of trash I’ve ever driven. No uncomfortable, noisy, clunky, and just overall unimpressive. Nothing but issues one after another. Traded it for my 23 Frontier and haven’t been happier. The perfect truck to me in many ways.
So why did you buy it??? All of that is what you find out test driving it. If you really found a Ford to be better than I don't think the car is the problem
Pretty sure toyota was the only one that had a design flawed that killed many and endangered the lives of millions of people and claimed it was a sticking accelerator pedal while it was a flub with their fly by wire throttle software.
japan blames until proven wrong. america, whole cities are burned before that. honda/toyota are recall fleeing queens. gm too. i think ford and mopar types are as proud as they are hostile to their own brand when the brand fucks up
Everyone saying go back to the 5.7 V8 lol yes it’s good and bulletproof but thanks to Biden the emission standards are strict as hell forcing all manufacturers to go hybrid, full EV, or downsizing motors
The move to less emissions has been going on since the 60s , it has made a very positive impact on our environment, and it will continue as in 2030 our fuel changes and in 2035 you will not be able to buy new ice vehicles , Biden has had very little to do with emission laws . My solution is to adapt my current trucks to flex fuels
This is why my grandpa always said "never buy the first few years of a new vehicle, regardless of who makes it. Let everyone else find the weak points". 😂
Exactly. They will fix the issues. Takes time
Honestly? Not the worst advice
Not bad advice, but this isn't a design problem so much as a manufacturing problem. They can't design an engine to withstand random amounts of randomly sized debris in random places throughout your engine block. 😂
@@brandonroeder2461 but its still a problem. And since I didn't run out and buy a tundra I don't have to deal with it. Thats the point. Its not limited to design flaws but also manufacturing processes.
@@chandlerbraaten847 what you're talking about has to do with new designs, not manufacturing processes that have been used for decades.
Imagine a 70,000 dollar truck grenading on the highway and not one tow hook😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 don’t get all them FAN GIRLS upset😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yet those Toyota Cultists will whine and complain about every other car. It's amazing how often I'm told how unreliable my Fords are when they give me zero issues. Including a 04 Expedition with 338K. That old girl would start and run like a top every single day with ice cold factory AC, and she looked good while doing it.
I noticed they have no recoveey hooks. And the entire front end is plastic. Toyota is so f*ckin gay, but you soy beards that love them.
If you're going to tow your new truck back to the dealer with the help of your redneck buddy using his pickup truck I guess that might matter? 😂
Comment might make more sense if you were lamenting grenading your truck off-highway...
The worst part is their warranty strategies on this.. Your mechanic need to strip the engine down to remove and send the problematic part. idk about most people but i don't want my under 20k engine to be rebuilt, without mentioning the skill of your mechanic will greatly influence the reability of your new truck for years now
Not only that, but imagine the time it is going to take for the labor. And if with the number of vehicles affected, imagine the wait time on parts. On top of the backlog of other vehicles that are ahead of you for the same exact issue. You could be waiting MONTHS.
@@tonycj7860probably around 3 days per vehicle it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to clean an oil pan and replace the main seals it’s getting into it which makes it hard
GM would just shrug their shoulders and stick more plastic on the engine.
?? This is about Toyota not GM ! My Chevy has 200 k and runs great ! Suck on that fanboy for Toyota !
@@cars654You can count Toyota's massive failures on one hand. GM's are innumerable. For every one GM product that makes it to 200k miles, there are a hundred Toyotas that have made it past the 400k mile mark.
My work vehicle is an '04 Tahoe with 310k on the original engine and transmission. It's definitely one of GM's most reliable models... but it's still a giant piece of sh*t, and I'd still much rather have to rely on a Toyota product. Toyotas, overall, are superior to GM vehicles by just about every conceivable metric.
@@HenrikHolmesson Had my groceries delivered by this chick in a yukon. She couldnt leave because her shifter linkage fell apart in my driveway....lol. Go GM
@@acmekanik9135 That's literally the most GM thing I've heard so far this year lol
@@HenrikHolmessonhave 2 friends that have newer Silverados one just had the engine replaced and the other a transmission both only had less than 70k miles and my cousin had a newer Yukon with the same drive train with 60k I told her to get rid of it before it costs her money
Now we can say that Toyota is a true American manufacturer, since they unlocked the "build a truck that grenades itself in under 10k miles" achievement.
No because they actually stand behind their product and do recalls
@@clapclapscream Right now they are finding every excuse not to take in a truck that has a grenaded engine. Toyota dropped the ball hard on this both during manufacturing and after sale care.
@@clapclapscreamwrong. Toyota isn't even sending crate engine replacements. By warranty they are only replacing the block, meaning your mechanic has to strip the old block to assemble the new one. Recipe for disaster.
At least the door didn’t fly off
When they were drive to the supermarket 😂
Traded in a lemon Tacoma... (we called it the Lemona 🍋) for an F150 5.0. This F150 is at 89k with zero issues since new.
That Tacoma proved to me how far Toyota will go to NOT acknowledge a problem. Getting them to stand behind their warranty was an absolute struggle.
Someone once said Toyota is Japanese for "Class Action Lawsuit... so true.
All those rusted out frames Toyota had to replace years ago? Toyota finally stepped up to the plate after multiple class action lawsuits. People act like Toyota cares about them... lol, what a joke. Toyota just moved their Tacoma production to Mexico... yet they are asking even MORE for the truck while the consumer is getting LESS.
Stop acting like the people who think Subaru is all about peace and love ✌🏾... these are companies trying to make the largest profit possible. 😅
Put that v8 back in it!
The size of the engine and number of cylinders has nothing to do with it. It was Machining debris and it could have happened to any engine.
Same shit with the kia motors. Mine was just replaced at 117k for the same reason! Good motor design but theyre too busy with quantity over quality and hipe most people arent frugal and make them hold thier end of the deal when the rod bearing goes due to oil starvation!@franksmythe6969
@@franksmythe6969 okay. Still, put the V8 back in it
@@Lancer_0010 Why? Do you enjoy getting worse fuel economy with less power? That seems odd.
@@franksmythe6969 I’d rather have my truck spend more time at the pump then in the shop
Moral of the story: double, triple, quadruple check your engines.
happens to the best of 'em
@@Brukner841 Modern day junk. The T-Model ford is still running today.
@@jesusisking8502 it's encumbered by too many requirements and restrictions while having to produce about the same power as 100 of the primitive model T engines.
The more you spend today the more problems you have 15years ago you spent less than half and had. No problems
@ThinkingCrimson or just switch to newer technology and switch to an EV magnetic engine that has no friction and has more torque, and save money on bs fuel prices going up, lol
At least Toyota listens to feedback
The sound of screaming in Japanese must’ve been epic.
Hope the V8 comes back before harakiri does.
Yea ok
It's say 2 replies, yet I see 0. Must been 2 honest
@@rustyshackleford3320 can you translate that to something comprehensible?
Lol
As a Toyota tech. It’s way more than 100k. Thats just 22-33 models. 2024 are also coming in blown up
What are you thoughts on it only applying to the non-hybrid models? I'm thinking those would have the same issue they just didn't hit the recall due to not losing all power because of the hybrid motor.
@@03protegeESthe hybrids aren’t included because the electric motor can get you to safety if the engine fails. Recalls are forced because of safety.
22-23 models yes?
Remember.. in the Movie FIGHT CLUB, when he's explaining, Law Suit ratio vs Death or injury, if it's worth doing a official Recall..
Once they have agreed to bite the bullet and declare a Recall is needed.. like the Dude (Technician) said it's a higher number..
Wait, you mean to tell me Toyota knows more about their own product than a CZcamsr?
This reminds me of a problem Isuzu had with the mid 1980s Trooper II. Cylinder heads were failing because machining debris was blocking oil channels.
yep, at that time the coolant systems for the machining where not even close to what we have now, this story about debirs is total BS, is a design problem in combination with going cheap on the sand molds.
@@fkoffytbI agree 200%, the machining is exactly what they said about the early Kia/Hyundai engine replacements which was finally told wasn't true
This is a great video to send my X in answer to her suggestion “Why don’t you just go buy a new vehicle instead of fixing your old cars?” New cars have their own problems which prevent them becoming old cars!
Cheaper too
You sound like an enthusiast. Is enthusiasts buy new if we have the money
Why buy new when you can install an Edison Motors HEV pickup upgrade kit--AWD, of course!--into a 1972 Ford F100 with a solid body but a worn-out drivetrain and have something beautiful that can pull anything.
Couldn’t of said it better. My 2006 4Runner has the 4.7 and 340,000 miles and runs like new.
imagine caring enough about your ex that you need to go justify your hobbies to her.
So, a company that has been building reliable engines for longer than I have been alive, suddenly forgets how to properly clean a block after the casting process. This is why you NEVER believe the official story.
So true. Head shaking stuff. That machining BS is unbelievable. It’s a basic. What? Making engines in Bangladesh now?
Made in Mexico lol
DEI hires
@@alistairlewis2461I like watching videos of people in places like Pakistan machining stuff on the side of the street with a dirt floor and strategically bent bit of metal to substitute as measuring calipers. Maybe that’s where the engines are getting done now
Toyota engines commonly have a lot of issue when first released. Their engines become reliable over time with more refinement.
I wasn’t sure how that Boeing/Toyota partnership was going to go.
imagine being stranded on the side of the road because your new Toyota's engine blew up just for the emergency exit door of a Boeing 737 MAX to come crashing down and hit your car
😂😂 well played!
Sure am glad I kept both of my 5.7 V8 Tundras.
my dads is rusting the fk out. well the engine looks great the frame and stuff all rusted out 2008.
@@doomslayerforever28582008😂 bro it's made of steel and iron not vibranium.
Yeah, 2013 is the newest I would ever go. My 07’ 5.7 scsb is holding up very well, rust is creeping up on it but it’s at a preventative level still.
@@Dmx284 And my 02 mustang and 92 talon have next to no rust. So 08 shouldn't have much either.
@@aktionp20 could be you guys maintained and took care of it well.
I have the Sequoia with the iForce 5.7 V8. I talked to a guy who had traded his in almost a year ago, for the new model with the V6tt. He said it is great for reducing gasoline expense in low speed and low weight situations; however towing his dump trailer, camper, or boat take more fuel than the V8 did. He said highway speeds (65ish) gave about the same mileage as the V8. He wanted his old one back. 😂
So for those who dont know, blocks are cast in sand and often with styrofoam acting as a part of the mold as well. Once cast they cool down get the sand bits vibrated off and some simple cleaning, then on to machining where the parts like bearings and all the threaded holes are machined in, this leaves tons of chips and some sand from casting. They use to blast cleaning solution through every passage something that took a few min per block to hook up and run through the giant dishwasher. Accountants saw this as a labor intensive step and decided just to toss them in the industrial dishwasher without directly cleaning the oil and coolant passages. This is what cause all those kia engines to blow up. And now toyota of all companies are doing that toxic cheap trait
Sure thing buddy. You love to defend the official narrative
The irony in this situation is quite striking given Toyota's history with the Toyota Production System (TPS). TPS is renowned for its emphasis on quality, continuous improvement, and the elimination of waste. It’s ironic that a company which pioneered such meticulous standards in manufacturing is now facing issues due to cost-cutting measures that directly contradict those principles. The decision to skip a critical cleaning step to save labor costs leading to significant quality failures, is a big departure from the core values that made Toyota a benchmark in the industry.
ITS ALWAYS THE FUCKIN BEAN COUNTERS
@@samwich539they rule the world
@@theworldisastage1984then what is the real narrative if u don’t mind me asking?
5.7L for life🎉
Even 4.6! Much better ergonomically.
1GR-FE for life
The size of the engine and number of cylinders has nothing to do with it. It was machining debris, and it could have happened to any engine.
EV for life 🌱 🍃 🌲
Yes
The best thing Toyota could do right now is come out and acknowledge their mistake in jumping on the turbo V6 bandwagon, and immediately start offering the 5.7 V8 again. Then let the market decide what it wants.
I would love a hybrid v8.
@shadowhound5113 Bingo. Toyota have all but perfected hybrid technology, considering how far the Prius has come and for how long its been in production. That's exactly what they should have done. Smaller displacement V8, maybe based on their tried and true 4.7L, plus a hybrid battery. Probably would have been good for 25+ mpg and 500+hp/tq.
They can't bring back the 5.7 due to emission regulations. (They didn't do the twin-turbo V6 for economy.)
@koomo801 oh I know.. its the EPA and the government doing it. If anything, they should have updated their bulletproof 4.7 V8 that used to come in the 4Runner and 1st gen Tundra, that was still used in some Lexus SUVs, updated it and turned it into a hybrid. That is a million mile engine, plus it's smaller displacement and if you paired it with a Prius style hybrid battery system... you got a 25mpg/400hp/500tq plus RELIABLE drive train. Toyota has all but perfected the hybrid system. They really screwed up jumping on the TT V6 bandwagon.
@@caseytodd7632 Agreed. My 25 year old '00 Tundra V8 has had one coil go bad. That's it.
Too bad the EPA and the horsepower wars are forcing their hands.
"Lets build them in Mexico, we'll save a fortune!! Ahh, Mr George, we have a massive recall"...
i believe they make these engines in WV
Doesn't matter where it is built these days - it matters what the current corporate culture is on quality/durability & sadly neither Toyota or Honda are the same companies that they used to be in that regard. My new 2020 Japan-built Toyota was the worst vehicle that I have owned in 40+ years & 11 different new Toyota, Honda & Acura vehicles during that time. Purchased my first Mazda in 2022 (built in Mexico, CX-30 CE) & no problems or defects to report going on 2.5 years owned/driven now.
@@dystopia-usaagreed. The machines are mostly doing the building.
I thing a big problem is that companies engineer things to break after a sufficient amount of time so you can buy a new one instead of using technological advancement to build something that lasts
😂 because being built in the 🇺🇸 by the lowest bidder are the best 👍
@@dystopia-usait absolutely matters where it's built. These are built in the US. US has always had lesser build quality. Why I wouldn't but a new Honda or Toyota product unless it came from Japan.
That excuse by Toyota is the biggest bullshit I’ve ever heard. It’s a poor design. And the story.
Yep
I think you mean end of story lol
Making a V6 do the work of a V8 what I mean making same route and HP as a V8 alot of stress on the V6 that's why they failing it high RPM making that kinda power from a V6 comes at a cost in the long run
@@slabbusterrtr7690Literally the basics of turboing any car. Unfortunately its a 360 win for manufactures and government. Car gets better emissions, better performance and dies quicker so they can get you paying that car note more.
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So, the guys who do an oil change after buying a new car, then another at a few hundred miles, then another at a thousand kinda have the right idea.
A few dozen miles, do you mean? :/
Bro what I've been a mechanic for 15 years I've never had that happen I've seen old people that put 28 miles on it in a year want an oil change but not what your talking about
@@zakpike4582 The guy believed there was metal in the engine and so the first few hundred to a thousand miles he changed it a bunch of times. After that just changed at normal intervals.
@@zugzug6773 bro you don't have to lie to kickit
@@zakpike4582 Since that makes no sense, I can only assume your high.
Machining debris doesn't wait 3000 miles.
It could very easily last that long, as it's slowly ground down to the point that it can find its way between the bearing and crank journals.
Don’t think it’s debris in the engine. It kills the same bearing on all the engines. It’s a bad batch of bearings or flawed main bearing caps/design.
Same. I don’t think they want to admit it was a bearing issue
Always the exact same bearing fails? It could be debris that is occurring on a specific drill path leading to this bearing. Some drill/CNC/port not getting properly flushed or worse keeping debris in that port/spot. Manufacturing has so many details that can get missed when whipping by MBA coin changers going on.
Yeah, whoever thought it was a good idea to mass manufacture a bearing with tolerances so tight it requires 0w-20 oil???
And engines from two different plants have the same machining debris issues. I call bs
The engines are identical, from different CNC machines in different plants. The flaw is therefore identical across every engine.
Why you have to see a conspiracy in everything, I don't know.
At least Toyota claims this is what’s causing the issue. I’ve read about 2024 models experiencing the same problem so expect this recall will expand. Toyotas quality as of late has been disappointing.
because the workers are tired of being slaves.
Covid ruined them
You need to buy their models built in Japan. American built quality vehicles are bad no matter the brand. Japan is stricter with quality control.
@@AJ-ox9xj Yeah, american "quality" is truly legendary by now.
They better get it right again or people will be dropping them altogether like hot potatoes!
I’ve been an automotive technician for over 21 years. I work for a luxury European brand. A few years ago we started having machining debris issues, causing engine damage. In fact we still are dealing with it, though now it’s causing cooling system issues. I have it on very good authority, that other manufacturers have been dealing with this issue as well. In fact this is the first I’ve heard of the issue with Toyota and before you even stated what it was I was thinking to myself “machining debris.” I’ve heard the reason this all started and why it’s affecting multiple brands is because of new environmental rules/laws that pushed auto makers to conserve water and reduce harsh chemical usage. This resulted in reduced and or less effective cleaning after the machining processes. Don’t get me wrong, the new law is a noble goal, but until this issue gets sorted, I’m quite positive that all the failing engines, clogged cooling systems, and other unintended consequences are likely doing far more harm to the environment then the old way was. Assuming they can get this cleaning/flushing debris removal issue solved while still conserving water and reducing chemicals, then that’s good. I hope they can do that, but if my brand is any indicator, I ain’t gonna hold my breath.
Another perfect example of right idea, wrong result.
Pointing over your shoulder at a picture of yourself pointing over your shoulder is hilarious
V8 is greatest motor ever built in human history
Ford and GM would blame the customers and hold off any recalls until the Federal Government gets involved.
Toyota did that too
Toyota meat rider ignoring what Toyota has done.
Toyota limited it to under 100k knowing they'll extend that to early to late made 23s as well.
Toyota held back to make it seem less of a problem than it really is
Have you bought a toyota recently, when you make any warranty claim, they retake days to approve it, and act like it's never happened, worst ever.😂
Cope harder.
Machining debris wouldn't exclusively damage the main bearing. Also I find it hard to believe both Japan and US factories making the engines would miss machining debris, especially Japan, for a hundred thousand engines.
It would if the debris clogged the oil lines. Happened to Hyundai/Kia in their 2.4 NA and 2.0T engines.
These problems are all exclusive to the American made tundras, the Japanese ones are completely safe and I believe don’t have any recalls except for the fuel line
Toyota is very good about replicating their process at every plant, so if the procedures are wrong, they'll be wrong everywhere.
What plants were the recalled engines made in?
love em or hate em you can’t tell me toyota doesn’t care about there customers. they are arguably the best brand when it comes to recalls. they often offer the recalls for tens of years
Didn’t have this problem with the old 5.7. Time to get back to basics.
4.6 all day
Japan didn't have this V-6 issues until made in USA
there is alot everything else that old rust bucket didnt have XD
The engine is fine. Whoever was in charge of machining screwed up BAD.
That 5.7 was recalled quite a bit when it was new too. Folks got real short memories.
Kia and Hyundai said the same thing about their 2.4 liter engines that were coming in with the #3 rod sticking out the side of them. It eventually ended up as a recall and that was their official story was “machining debris” which had wiped out that particular bearing. Nobody at the dealers that had taken one of those engines apart believed that.
Don’t spread misinformation. Early on, we had to disassemble and inspect for a cause before the recall was launched. Definitely debris from the U.S. manufacturing facility that did not properly flush the block and oil galleries.
Kia and Hyundai are replacing the entire engines...not rebuilding them.
@@lrich8181 Correct. Only very early on did the district service reps require a teardown. Initially it was a short block and balancer assembly replacement, but it just became a long block replacement later.
@@lrich8181 That's because no one can rebuild those engines, they're trash. go and ask an engine builder if they will rebuild a kia/hyundai engine - if they say yes it's because they have no work, but they know the rebuild will fail.
We still get a ton of K5s with blown engines too. If the problem was debris why isn't it fixed?
That damn Frenchman causes so much trouble.
That’s why I’ll just keep my 2003 v8 tundra
2003 look ugly
@@mmm-rd4yr They look beautiful when they're driving past a broken down vehicle on the side of the road.
"It's not for the reason that you think"... I have put zero thought into this and have no thoughts on the matter.
We are united 😂
This is why you don't go replacing a reliable v8 with a v6 no matter what the EPA has to say about it.
Well, I think the EPA has some say about it...
V 6 with turbos.😂
@@lactusgalacto1174 "reliable" is the key word.
@@randallsmerna384depends on what happens in November
V8 to V6 has nothing to do with it
0w20 surely has a part on those failures, Just stupidly thin😂
You'd think Toyota would have done their homework.
A symptom of an overall decline in QA Inspections, Employee Working/Living Standards, and the work ethic/attitude of working class people everywhere.
Glad to see the Fortune 500s aren't immune, hopefully standards are raised for both Employee Compensation and Quality Control.
Nice work Toyota ,pulled that right out of the Hyundai playbook. 😅
Fortunately they’ve caught it at 100k potentially affected vehicles… Instead of burying their heads in the sand until it was over a million like Hyundai/Kia.
@@Jonathan_Doe_ You're forgetting that those vehicles made by Hyundai/Kia had this issue, but the machinging debris was much smaller than in Toyotas, which is why the Hyundai/Kia engines were blowing up much much later in life, after many vehicles had already been produced.
TL;DR: Toyota is addressing it now because the engine failures are happening now. Hyundai/Kia addressed it late because the engine failures started happening late.
@dominicg2456 people don't seem to understand how recalls work, and don't understand engines for mass produced cars are not hand built so things will be missed. Which is different from a design flaw
I had a Hyundai that came out of the Alabama plant by Montgomery when they had those Honduran kids working and the engines from that plant had metal shavings in the engine clogging oil lines and the engine blew because of it and they were supposed to replace the engine but fought me about it
Trust me as a Engine manufacturer Toyota knew about this issue in the pepap process. It finally got large enough they had to make the recalls
Love how the media barely covers actual recalls from major OEMs, but Tesla releases a software update and they lose their minds. lol
The Toyota reliability huh? Don’t get me wrong because historically yes… but the fan boys are insufferable.
If a bmw ain’t leaking, it’s bc it doesn’t have oil
Titan sounds like a far better bet.
4.6 and 5.7 weren’t without issues early in their life-cycle either. Chill out
@@mten1454 You tell him to chill out, but you are agreeing with him that these engines aren't reliable. Make it make sense.
@@VroodenTheGreat I never said they were or weren’t great, you’re putting words in my mouth. Tf? Your response makes no sense.
We’re obsessed with shitting on this engine and lauding the 4.6 and 5.7 when in reality they also had issues early on. Make that make sense.
Imagine car manufacturers forcing unreliable vehicles down our throats for triple the cost because the WEF demands it.
Ahh machining debris. My Tacoma has a recall for, “welding slag” that can cause axle separation and apparently an airbag clock-spring issue as well. I also discovered the bed is shifted like 1/2” to one side of the cab. Didn’t notice until I saw my RTT wasn’t centered despite knowing I centered the fuck out of it. Also mag props to Tinkerers Adventure, from one engineer (electrical tho) to another that guy is legit.
We need to make Toyota great again!
So Toyota basically hired Hyundai engineers
Metal filings on oil means the engine is junked and needs to be replaced.
All of it, long block, turbos, etc, any port oil flows...
Or we can just not drive combustion cars for much longer. Too many moving parts and too much maintenance.
@@justinstewart3248 That will never happen. Oil runs the planet
@@justinstewart3248please go drive the battery cars and leave us alone
@@justinstewart3248😂😂 🫵🏼🤡
That's why being ultra brand-loyal is futile.
Toyota does indeed build good vehicles, but all of the sudden they have the worst full size truck on the market.
My Silverados never blew up, and now I own a Subaru. Brand loyalty will blind you to a vehicle's issues.
They build mediocre vehicles and haven't built anything amazing in a decade. Toyota drivers don't like to drive so the vehicles aren't driven hard hence why a lot of the perception is that they are reliable still.
Or… just don’t buy them brand new, wait a few years and let the kinks work out. Buy one partially used w low miles a few years after they come out, get basically a brand new truck for half the price and know it’s not a time bomb.
@@cwx8we don’t like to drive?? lol. Son I put 40 miles on my tundra a day. Some days I drive triple that. The real issue is people buy them that can’t afford to go anywhere while they make payments, and payments for aftermarket parts…too many people live beyond their income bracket. People don’t buy Toyota trucks to let them sit. They aren’t super cars and they aren’t track cars, we buy them to work and have fun.
@@bvictory5698 I mean drive. Not causally get from point a to point b. Toyota's don't exactly get stressed.
They had 4 million vehicles recalled last year. They're on par with nissan now
They had to say something, but we all know that’s not the problem
My 2023 1794 runs and purrs like a kitten, best truck I have ever owned
Debris in the engine makes no sense since the affected engines are produced in Japan and the US (Alabama). The bearing assembly in question is made by the same manufacturer and sold to both of the assembly plants. The question is whether it’s a bad batch or a bad design.
Not in hybrid models so could be just a bad batch
I have heard that the blocks are made in the same place, basically it was a machining debries that didnt get cleaned.
Bad design
@@hermanpeters549 Are you suggesting they hybrid models don't have the same engine in them?
@@VroodenTheGreat the recall says that those hybrid models have different pressure on the bearings for some reason, and also have electric power in case of a engine stall/stop.
Don’t worry those 100,000 engines that they rebuilt at the dealer will be every bit as good as built at the factory…
I would never let a dealer rebuild my engine
They can't even do basic mantainance properly
Not even remotely possible, lol. Great joke!
as a Toyota tech, lol. Toyota is trying to figure out the cheapest way to do the recall right now rather than what should be a complete long block engine replacement for everything the metal contaminated oil touches. I bet the procedure boils down to replacing a bearing on most engines, an oil flush with a few filter changes and an announcement on a 'warranty enhancement' of the engine that extends it for another 100k should the condition present itself.
honestly they should be or there's no point tearing them down. don't bother rebuilding it if you're not the make you make it good as new!
@@Nobody_important_at_all cams are destroyed too probably. Don't know much about turbo but probably that too.
I hate it for owners, but Toyota is trying to fix their problem. It takes time. They didn't drag it on and ignore it like some folks.
The Rod Bearing Compression Test is EXACTLY why hundreds of thousands of Kias and Hyundais have had engines replaced over time. And the "machining inside" was the exact reason they initially gave as well
I think cars should have chip detectors in the engine and transmission just like aircraft do. It’s essentially a small gap of two magnets, if any metallic particles are loose in the oil the particles attach and bridge the gap of the detector and illuminate a light telling you there is metal in your oil.
Damn that's really fucking useful
Yeh it's called oil pressure gauge.
@@cjin0101 yea..if your pressure gauge is reacting to metal in the oil that’s way beyond fixing. Chip detectors pick up extremely fine dust sized particles so you shut down the engine before any lasting damage could take effect.
My 2011 Tundra and 2015 Sequoia have the 5.7L. I test drove one of the new ones to see what I was missing. I know it supposed to have more power on paper, but it felt much more sluggish than either of my older vehicles.
The moral of the story: dont worry about the new toys, the old ones still looking pretty shiny.
Quality control is a real thing
Good for the recall, bad for only providing a short block and making the dealerships tear the whole truck apart. Not exactly a controlled and repeatable process. I guess the paperwork says, your mileage may vary....as well as the reliability.
You'd probably be amazed at how little the tech will get paid to replace the short block. If anything goes wrong shortly after he'll fix it for no pay. The world of flat rate.
@@bobbamford5207 yeah, I'd like to know the hours and rate Toyota thinks is fair. Dealerships and customers should demand better.
@@treborheminway3814 I worked for Toyota as a Tech then an MDT. Took all schools. Never saw a video or any thing relating to establishing flat rate times. A woman pulls the times out of thin air. Knowing the Techs can either like it or lump it. It's called taking one for the team when you get screwed out of your pay. If you don't like that soon you're down the road and they hire in another sucker to take one for the team.Get It?
My problem with a short block is that if it blows again does the manufacturer or the dealership take the hit and fix it, i see potential for finger pointing. Plus given the size of the recall Toyota should set up a separate engine line and do remanufactured long blocks so it's plug and play at the dealership.
I believe the block is twisting under load in the heavier vehicles causing the crank to do sum shifting in the main caps
Yes 5448 aluminum engine blocks do warp a bit under heat and stress race cars have aluminum blocks but In the boring pedestrian world cast iron engine blocks are more practical
I call bs on blaming debris instead of a bad design of the block itself.
This sounds alot like the floor mat accelerator issue
Oh goody, another Hyundai/Kia saga. Except that Toyota is actively trying to make it right.
The funny thing is. Metal shavings from machining was Kia’s exact same excuse when they found out about their engines
@@flaco2746that’s a great point
@@flaco2746 but in reality, something's wrong with the metallurgy.
Excuse me but these issues have been happening since 2018, ever since this 3.4 turbo V6 engine debuted in the LS500. Multiple threads in the Lexus forums with failure going back to 2018, and in some cases with 2 or 3 engine replacements! Toyota kept ignoring it on purpose to buy time and to see with just how much they could get away with. If it weren't for the NHTSA opening an investigation, Toyota wouldn't have done a "voluntary" recall. Every giant car manufacturer is evil, greed is their motto, whether it be GM, Ford, Hyundai, Stellantis, Toyota, or Honda. Support the smaller manufacturers.
I guess we'll see how right they actually get. Sad that all our cars Toyota, Honda, Ford and so on are all turning out to be high priced junk.
Where, at what company was the failure? Toyota or a sub contractor?
THEY WENT FROM WINING RACES TO THIS
Respect to them for atleast fixing the issue and not leaving everyone to fix it themselves like other brands
Trust NO ONE, question EVERYTHING.
I don't trust you on that....
Why?
@@GC-nd1lp you just proved my point, thanks. 👍
@@ricequackers why not ? 🤔
Who's going to investigate the investigators?
More evidence is pointing to it being a bad main bearing design. The machining debris reason is a smoke screen for the design not being good.
Same debris problem that Hyundai had with their U.S. produced engines.
It's a "zero" weight oil problem. Use 5W-30 oil, and all of these "manufacturing defects" go away. Plain bearings (rod and main bearings) NEED a cushion of oil to ride on, and 0W-20 or even worse, 0W-08 oil simply isn't sufficient. This is the fault of government and EPA regulations...not poor design. The car manufacturers are NOT allowed to tell you that tho. Machinist and mechanical engineer of 35 years.
@@Chris-te7uk I’m a mechanical engineer and been for 52 years. My emphasis was internal combustion engines. I’ve tested the on engine dynos and conducted research on them. Though other manufacturers specify 0W-20 oil, they haven’t seen anywhere near as much bearing failure that these 3.4L TT Toyota engines have seen.
@@Chris-te7uk The U.S. produced blocks in were not getting flushed properly after machining. We received a technical service bulletin for the inspection process, reasons why, and photos of what debris to look for.
Once Toyota replaced the Tacoma's 3.4L 5VZ-FE Engine that had a Cast Iron Block with these new Aluminum 3.5L engines, I was done. My old truck was literally bulletproof and never had an issue even after 3 hurricanes. Now Toyota and their infinite wisdom put a V6 in the Tundra and is no longer making the V8. Now I am completely done.
holy shit. the fact that theres already 100k units sold is impressive
I was ready to buy a full-size Toyota pick up with a V-8 right when they did away with the V-8. I have no interest in a V6 TwinTurbo from any manufacturer. The used V-8 Toyota trucks are impossible to find because now everyone wants one.
Cummins swap
@@Madddog87 I had a Duramax/Allison GMC And decided I really didn’t need a diesel, so I didn’t keep it very long. Luckily I never had the wimpy pin in the crankshaft fail. I have to run with a gas powered V-8 is what suits me best.
They are not impossible to find. I can see a dozen of them on Autotrader. What is harder to find is one that isn't black, white or grey. I just bought a red 2020 Tundra last month.
@@damondiehl5637 Anything but red for me. 😂 Thanks for responding to my comment. If I get serious I imagine I can find one but I am an old codger at this point so I’ll be looking for something that’s fairly local. The way I understand it these manufacturers with all the models they produce have to achieve the highest miles per gallon average through the whole line, so of course they’re gonna cut the V-8’s every chance they get.
get a ford f150 with the 5.0 coyote v8 if you can't find any old tundras.
Toyota fanboys will say they never break down. 😂
@@dnegel9546 It's because Japan let America build the block.
Fanboys are the worst. I like Toyota, but I have no problem admitting they made shitty engines. The 1ZZ, the D-4D, the IS250 with the V6, etc
@@m00nkinftwobviously they have had bad engines but the good outweighs the bad. That’s the difference with Toyota that America car companies can’t say the same about.
This is a manufacturing error caused by shitty American workers.
Heres the big difference. They warranty their produce when they realize they f'd up. Even long after mandatory warranty peroids expire and not because of class action lawsuits. Toyota fan boys exist en mass for a reason.
Sounds like a cost cutting paper pusher cut funding for the "Quality Control Department".
The failure has been reported in engines made in Japan and in the USA. That means it's a procedural error during engine assembly that has been followed by engine assembly workers in both countries and is not quality related. Toyota has identified the problem and corrected it in their assembly lines. They have recognized the problem rather than try to conceal it and are recalling those vehicles that might suffer from it. Sounds like responsible corporate behavior to me.
At least they admitted fault and recalled the vehicles, I hope the dealerships will fix customers vehicles under the warranty
Toyota needs a class action lawsuit for this.
Telling someone their new 60K truck is gonna have a rebuilt engine now is bullshit.
Sue the shit out of them
60k? whats that the base model with no tires and steering wheel? Try 75K
Welcome to the life of a ford owner.
@@privateer9181Base model is 40, mid trim is 60k and top of the line capstone is like 75k.
@@danielredziniak2996 ok ok
@@privateer9181 well... my limited with all the bells and whistles and trd off road package. And totally decked out to the max was 65k out the door... I think you are probably one of those who doesn't own one right?
Should have just brought back the turbo IN-LINE 6, 2JZ platform
Their ultra reliability status tanked after they came out with the V6 that replaced their V8.
That engine, from what I understand, is made in the USA and in Japan. Both countries manufacturers are making the engines incorrectly? I don't know about that.
the blocks are made in the same place said some comments .
@@Walterrinhoyes, then they ship those blocks to the two factories, including a little white package containing "debris" and instructions on exactly where to put it. 🙄
Either way, standardized manufacturing and assembly says they can be made anywhere and all have the same problem.
CNC machinery, same programing gets you same results. That’s the whole point of cnc, good and/or bad!
@@MrSleepProductionsIncYou're not wrong but if anything in the chain isn't up to spec it pays off to have experienced and trained staff. They can catch a lot of these things before it's a mass problem within the product line..
What is the remedy? New engine?
New short block only, not the entire engine.
Yup, and that’s total 🐂 💩!
@@oliverheaviside2539oh great. Thats not right...these truck owners deserve a new engine, top to bottom. Metal filings get everywhere, and omce it chews the bearings, even worse.
@@1gbayfisher You are correct, and taking the entire front body of the truck apart and then disassemble the whole engine to swap the short block is a technician’s nightmare, takes a month or longer, and something inevitably will not be done right. And the recall is for 96,500 trucks!
It's a great truck, I've owned six over the last 27 years and this is my favorite. If they fix the issue on recall I'm fine, I'm not going to worry about it. Fantastic truck.
"Machining debris" means they're not paying their workers enough and all the good, conscientious people left for better jobs. It's a stupid problem that should never happen.
That's hard to believe that Toyota would have metal debris in motor from machining motor!!
Sounds like a cover story to me to down play another issue.
I just can't believe with all the testing they did before launching this truck ,they didn't run in to any of these issues and there are a lot of issue not just engine
They tested with model engines and not with assembly engines.
Air chuck on assembly line.....5$
Recall....priceless 😂
I helped a lady with a warranty on an engine that left the factory with improper machined blocks that left shavings in the engine. I replaced a starter and 2 days later the engine grenaded itself. After some research i found her block number came from a recalled factory that had this same issue with debris in the blocks.
The age of the turbocharger is a big step backwards for car owners.
It was cool when you did it to the 5k Honda you wanted to street race, paying 70k for this garbage is unacceptable.
I’ll remember that as I drive my ‘91 Mitsu with the 4G63 turbo engine … The one I bought new and has never had the head off.
WW2 planes had turbos and that was over 80 years ago. My 1986 Buick Grand National has no issues with a turbo, my 2016 Subaru STI zero issues, my 2001 Dodge Ram Cummins turbo diesel has over 200,000 miles on original engine, my wife’s 2019 Honda CRV has a turbo with 70,000 miles no issues, my 2019 Ford F150 2.7 twin turbo is running perfect at 24,000 miles.
The problem is when turbocharged engines are worked hard and often. A modern N.A. V6 is what is termed High or super High Output as it is. So much stress on internals because of how much power they produce. Add twin turbos to the equation and nearly 500 hp and tow a trailer … just like the Ecoboosts, they have lots of issues when worked hard.
What if they instead want supercharger route?
Not only do you get an overpriced POS but you also get the honor of spending the day with one of the bottom 3 life forms on the planet, a car salesman. Maybe someday car companies will wise up and make good vehicles we can all go to Costco and be in and out withing 5 minutes.
You can buy a car at costco
@@rx7241 You cannot buy a car AT Costco. Costco provides a slight discount, but you still have to go to a car dealership and hassle with a car salesman (the lowest lifeform on earth) about trade ins, finance if needed, upcharges and extended warranties, the special pinstripe and paint protection they got like $5 in and try to sell it for $1000.
Just picked up a 2014 5.7. Couldn’t be happier after hearing this news but my god its hard on fuel
The same kind of issue happened in FPT 9L engines a few years ago, the blocks weren’t cleaned out entirely from the casting stage, and had grains of sand baked into the block, which would eventually come loose and work their way into bearings and seals
I am not a Toyota Fan boy but Toyota is doing the right thing and addressing this issue head on. It’s an unfortunate mistake, and all manufacturers have issue like these. Being that Toyota has built a solid reputation of being reliable the public loves to see them humbled by this problem. It’s how a company handles their mistakes that says the most. Give this truck 3 years on the market and they will have the bugs worked out of it.
It's the least they can do lmao, stop praising them for doing their job and fulfilling their obligation as a car manufacturer that manufactures a shitty engine
I had a 2020 RAV4 and it was the biggest pile of trash I’ve ever driven. No uncomfortable, noisy, clunky, and just overall unimpressive. Nothing but issues one after another. Traded it for my 23 Frontier and haven’t been happier. The perfect truck to me in many ways.
It's a 23 model. Give it more than just one year 😂
So why did you buy it??? All of that is what you find out test driving it.
If you really found a Ford to be better than I don't think the car is the problem
Great Toyota reliability we’ve all come to know!
V8 Tundra's were indestructible. Because of all the emissions nonsense, they had to get rid of em.
The difference between Toyota and Ford is that when Toyota makes a mistake did you notice they immediately recalled all the cars…
Pretty sure toyota was the only one that had a design flawed that killed many and endangered the lives of millions of people and claimed it was a sticking accelerator pedal while it was a flub with their fly by wire throttle software.
🤦♂️🤦♂️ people been fighting them since launch... Fan girls are insufferable
japan blames until proven wrong. america, whole cities are burned before that. honda/toyota are recall fleeing queens. gm too. i think ford and mopar types are as proud as they are hostile to their own brand when the brand fucks up
Reliability issue with the turbo v6 has been going on since 2017 in the Lexus Gx. It’s not really a high seller so it got pushed under the rug.
wtf are you talking about? It’s been going on for years
Everyone saying go back to the 5.7 V8 lol yes it’s good and bulletproof but thanks to Biden the emission standards are strict as hell forcing all manufacturers to go hybrid, full EV, or downsizing motors
The move to less emissions has been going on since the 60s , it has made a very positive impact on our environment, and it will continue as in 2030 our fuel changes and in 2035 you will not be able to buy new ice vehicles , Biden has had very little to do with emission laws . My solution is to adapt my current trucks to flex fuels
FJB
@@carlstephens1532 😂 you got that Government kool aid all over face 😂
Hopefully upcoming decisions from SCOTUS will allow a lot of these EPA rules to get push back.
@@benredacted8468 hardly , it shows you don't understand the issue
Same thing happened in 2007 when they introduced the 5.7L. The first 15-20 trucks had machining issues.
I’d love to see the recall “fix” on this one
I thinking an engine flush and new bearings. They probably found a way to tell if there’s machining inside where it builds up and then take action