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When Donna turned to carmy and asked “Do we have a problem?” It sent chills up my spine. The fact that carmy and sugar aren’t worst off is shocking.
Well, it’s also meant to be a moment of reflection for Carmy:
“Do *we* have a problem?”
as in, ‘does Carmy have a problem like Donna?’, the answer to which isn’t strictly ✅/❌, as the season unfolds
@@hellfish2309I think they all do whatever Donna had it seems Mikey was starting to show signs of it & they both self medicated. I guess future seasons will show if either Carmy or Sugar show signs of whatever mental illness Donna had or how they decide to deal with their ptsd.
they arent worst off cuz michael took the biggest beating, having to live with her and everyone being dicks to him.
@@reignmansCarmy, Sugar, and Richie weren’t dicks to him. He had his siblings and his best friend. So he wasn’t in it alone.
Do you know what actually hits really hard in that scene for me? Its really subtle, and its only because I overthink everything, especially about an amazing piece of television like this. But what hit me really hard was the look on Ciceros' face when she drove through the house. His character isnt phased by anyhting, dude throws hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars around to his nephews because they have an idea and is virtually unphased when it doesnt work out. He gets loud but keeps calm during the whole fork thing, but the look on his face when she drives through the house is pure just "Oh........fuck......."
it astonishes me that sugar ended up as well rounded and as kind as she did. donna clearly resented her most out of all her kids and that scene where sugar is on the floor screaming “YOURE OKAY!! YOURE OKAY!!” like a little kid broke my heart
Sugar found Pete, someone completely unlike anyone in her family who gets her and supports her - she's the best off of all the siblings by far
@@jon8004 I think it was more of sugar's instinct to say "are you okay?" because of her large empathy for others and wanting to help people.
@@rosa_stars349more complicated than that. Sugar knows uttering those words will set her mom off and she kept doing it all night
@@humvee2800
she can't help it. like the comment above you says, shes empathetic as fuck and can't help it. she just wants everyone to be good and the phrases that fall out of her mouth happens to set Donna off the most
this is usually what happens to family dynamics. Seen it firsthand the one child who is often called the “blacksheep” or belittled or resented by the parents/guardian almost always turns out to be the most understanding and well-rounded (Because they knew what it feels like & wants the opposite to their future)
“No one’s, physically, very sick” such a clever and Mulaney thing to say
I caught that when I watched it too lmao That helped break the tension for me for a sec.
Tiff while steve is saying that:🤢
i like the meta-humor of making john mulaney, the only actual true native chicagoan in the episode, play a guy from california
Bob Odenkirk is from Chicago. I mean Berwyn but it’s still Chicagoland. I like that Bobs character Saul Goodman also from Chicago
@@yomamapwnz He was born in Berwyn. But grew up in Naperville. And as the age-old saying goes: NAPERVILLE IS NOT CHICAGO
@@bsol510 I mean I’m Southsider Bridgeport but he’s Chicagoan. People always go their own definition. “Oh it’s cook county” ”oh north side ain’t REAL Chicago” or even “NWI might as well be Chicago”. And what about Rosemont area and O’Hare? Chicago made a sliver for city limits to reach all the way over there to collect airport taxes. And what about she the bears move to Naperville or Arlington Heights. Still gonna be Chicago bears. People just always hating Naperville cause they got nice things. Chicagoland is fine to be Chicago. At least in my book. Chicago till I die.
@@yomamapwnz Im just lightly ribbing, i dont actually care as much as some chicagoans do about that stuff. I agree that the “what actually counts as chicago” discourse is exhausting and doesn’t really accomplish anything. many of the chicagoland suburbs immediately outside the city like lincolnwood, cicero, skokie, oak park, etc might as well just be part of the city. I myself am from ravenswood on the north side. But I gotta draw the line at naperville, it’s way too far away and they always claim theyre from chicago so it can give them some kind of authority to talk shit about the city, even though they only set foot here to go clubbing
@@bsol510 they will forever be the hated chicagoans but they are our hated chicagoans. Lmao
i feel so bad for sugar. her nickname coming from a mistake she made one single time instead of coming from, like, i don't know, her being incredibly sweet? i completely understand how donna's mental illness works and affects her emotions, coming from someone who has family that have the same thing, so i do know how quickly emotions can turn, but it's still heartbreaking that there are multiple times throughout the episode where a few different people asked donna if she was okay and no one seemed to care, but the minute sugar asks, it's just... god, i don't even know how to describe it... your heart just... sinks at the look on her face.
It’s a continuous metaphor though too, as she is ‘sweet’ like Pete, but Carmy and Syd are tasting their dishes which are over brined or over pickled
to avert spoilers, the sweet vs salt/acid metaphor rings a few more times through the season
Donna seems to have borderline personality disorder. Amplified by her self-medicating with alcohol.
I mean, I feel like that's how most nicknames are given. My nickname was eyebrows because in an accident i seared my left one off.
what stuck with me about this specific episode is that its only focused on ONE christmas. imagine the amount of shit that happened throughout the years on christmas 🙁
Merry fucking Christmas 🎄
Lol my boy Pete doesnt deserve this hell that he gets put through but its cool for him to be Sugar's source of unconditional love outside of her family.
Seriously, out of all the people in the family, he's by far the most normal...which is why they all can't stand him😂
I dunno how he puts up with all of that seems stressful
This episode will get emmys for so many people. Jamie Lee Curtis, Jon Berthal, the writing team, the director. It's just perfect.
Lot of good performances this year though
@@Knightowl1980 they will compete for next year's Emmys. Next year we don't have Barry, we don't have Mrs. Maisel and we don't have Ted Lasso. Their only competition is the guest starts of Abbott Elementary and let's be honest, nobody in Abbott will give a performance to match Jamie or Jon in this episode.
@@kassiogomes8498 3rd season of ted lasso was ass tho.
Everyone: Donna, do you need help?
Donna: No, get the fuck out!
Also Donna: Nobody fucking helps me, I have to do everything myself!
Aka every mom ever.
I have a bipolar, controlling mother and she is exactly the same. Shell always refuse help when offered but then plays the martyr, that no one helps her as much as she helps them. I love her, but its incredibly stressful, and almost always ends in guilt and anger.
@@Pehrin187 I don't know about your mother, but Donna must be wonderful when she's at her best, to have so many people show up at her home and offer her love and support that she will not accept.
@@Francis...mental illness or not it really is. If you help then you’re doing it wrong as well
@@moonlily1it could also just be their family dynamic. With a name like Berzatto I’m assuming they’re Italian (they probably mention that, I just don’t remember specifically). Italian-American families are often very loud, very passionate, sometimes chaotic. But the mother is the matriarch. No matter how she acts or what mental health problems she’s dealing with or whatever, they all still love her and hold her in the highest regard just because she’s the matriarch.
I think it’s heartbreaking that Donna threatens to take the dads gun and kill herself (talking to sugar) like it’s nothing and that is ultimately what Mikey did to himself.
In that house with his mom by himself he probably heard her say that so many times
Which is probably why Carmy skipped the funeral and didn’t come back immediately. Imagine dealing with her feelings, especially as it seemed she regularly mentioned the gun.
She would probably constantly be dramatic about how she said it so many times.
Honestly, Donna is the true monster of that family.
“You’re having a child, why are you talking like that?” gets me every time, perfect delivery
that was genuinely one of the most stressful tv episodes I've ever seen. when i watched it on my own, i was terrified that Donna was gonna do something with the gun after she mentioned it so i let out the biggest sigh of relief when the only thing she did was drive the car through the house
lol at only driving car into the house
What if the gun she mentioned is the gun Michael used 😭
@@jasminemathis467bro stop ! That was running through my head 😢
Jon Bernthal is such a great actor. In the closeup of their faces when Lee was telling him "you are nothing" I could see in his eyes a switch from aggression to pain and I think he believes it too. As tough as he is, words hurt him more.
This whole family needs therapy. Honestly, almost all of us need therapy.
Just imagine, this is Donna before her eldest son committed suicide.
the fact that Mikey lives with this and his own burdens, possibly his own condition aside from the substance abuse informs the context of his demise too: Sug had Pete and Carmy goes off to NY, so Mikey just sits with all their family history, this evening, and Lee shjitting on him for years until he ends it, which seems like a fate sealed on this night
@@hellfish2309 most important thing coming together with all that you mentioned is that no one seems to give a fuck about Mikey.
He is getting all this shit (and we just see a single night) and not a single person not a single time stood up for him. they were just sitting there, silent while he is getting shat on by Lee constantly.
@@reignmans I don’t think he’s getting regularly accosted for his business failings more than he is just struggling to keep The Beef running: it seems he and Lee are smart enough to distance themselves from one another except this time of year
That said he can’t help but believe them when it’s brought up because Mikey has been enduring Donna at minimum since Berzatto Sr. took off, the regular surrogate father for Sug and Carmy when Uncle Jimmy is off having his own life… and even if Mikey didn’t have his money troubles, he’s just unfairly ill equipped to help Donna and can’t exactly leave her to live alone
given the landscape of his character he probably hid as much of his trauma as he needed to, and his siblings were at least on some level all too eager to play along as Mikey brought them up as such and they couldn’t help adopt a kind of avoidant personality disorder
@@hellfish2309 but Mikey deserved the shit he got from Lee. Mikey is a drug addict that borrows money from family member and doesn’t pay them back because they baby him cus of his charisma.
@@reignmans uncle Jimmy tells Lee to stop and to shut the fuck up several times.
When Donna grabbed Sugar's face and yelled at her. When at the end she said F**k you to Sugar it made me cry. Like she's the only one in that house that really loves you 😢😢😢.
I grew up in a Greek family, we can get loud, cuss, argue and have moments. But after seeing this episode I'm so grateful my family isn't this fucked up.
Same.... I'm latino, and I feel the same...
Yelling, arguments obscenities... All a part of a family get together...
But not nearly this dysfunctional, thank God.
Indian family here
Always a fcking fight between my mom and her brothers and sister
Apparently before i was born my dad became physical with one of them onr time
Never this dgsfyntional though
Thank fck
I grew up in an Italian family and the only thing that’s the same here is the food!!😂
I genuinely don't know how actors can be this good. Amid all this chaos, everyone is on fucking point.
This is a contender for one of the best episodes of television basically ever.
I think when Mikey reacted to Carmy’s drawing for the restaurant to be a franchise, I think the idea of off-ing himself was a thought that he still had in his mind and knew that he wouldn’t live long enough to accomplish especially with his little brother
This episode made me: 1) understand Natalie. I loved her before, I really liked her as a character, but this episode made me understand her to a certain extent. I've been in her position where she's basically walking on eggshells every single minute and that's exhausting, and it does take a toll on your mental health. Nat and Carmy are like two sides of the same coin, but Natalie has better ways to communicate than Carmy (and Pete, who supports her), and still, you can see her almost about to explode. You know things are really bad when she's the one trying to calm Mike, because for her to raise her voice? Yeah, it was bad, bad. 2) Appreciate Pete a lot more. Because the family always makes fun of him, they don't take him seriously, they're rude to him and he's still there and he loves Natalie and respects her, he's never been mean to her, he's never insulted her and you can say she's not that patient sometimes, she even threw his food away and he didn't react in a bad way. That's something that stayed with me, because having a super dysfunctional and complicated family has been one of the main reasons I've refused any kind of relationship, just the idea of making them interact with my family scares me to no end, but Pete does it and he's nice about it. He loves Natalie and that makes him endure whatever crap the family puts him through. I don't know, I wasn't expecting to appreciate Pete this way and now I do.
I loved this episode even though it was really hard to watch.
I think there is a rejection of Pete by the family because he is so healthy, well-adjusted, and normal. He's a reminder to them of their intense dysfunction, so that's why being around him would be uncomfortable. Natalie on the other hand is much more open, so her experience of him is comfort.
Undoubtedly one of the best episodes of TV I’ve ever seen.
I'm pretty sure the job the uncle gave Richie was why they fell out. They argued about it in the season 1 episode at the birthday party the uncle had for his kid.
When Cicero gave a client Mikey's phone number instead of Richie's and he missed an important appointment or something because of it
i had to visit my therapist after watching this episode… what a class in acting .. kept me stressed out 😂
As a fashion girlie i can hold my silence no longer - the guy who designed the pants carmy was talking about is the luxury designer Thom Browne - Ayo Edebiri the actress who plays Syd is a brand ambassador for them, very sick clothes! highly worth a quick google search to look at it - its mostly menswear too. Also the designer comes back into the story this season in a dope way :)
Oh Wow that is such a cool tie in!!
Donna: *storms off*
Me: Thank god Mikey hasn't thrown that fork
Lee: *opens his god damn mouth one more time*
Me: Ok, let it rip Mike.
Incredible episode, insane guest casting and undeniably chaotic. This episode should come with an antacid. Living through one hour plus with the whole Berzatto family provides so much perspective on the characters we know and love.
Really just shows that when the head of the house is a lunatic, it spreads to everyone. When Donna was happy, everything was fine, not perfect but tolerable. But the moment she starts yelling, everything goes to hell. Reminds me so much of my mother. She can suck the light out of any event or celebration if she's in the mood. When they get mad, instead of just fucking off, they gotta bring everyone down with them. Literally alienated me and my brother, her in-laws, even her own siblings. She's lucky my dad sticks by her or she'd be completely alone.
reminds me of my dad :| he is crazy but in a dif kind way compared to the mom.
Your reaction after each actor cameo was me every single one of them was giving an acting masterclass but then Jamie lee Curtis was like let me snatch that Emmy loved the reaction
Donna left me physically exhausted after this episode.
On the bright side of this episode, fak and his brother cracked me up the entire time😭
The more you watch this episode the more you catch small hilarious dialogue and moments. The writing and the cast did such a great job creating that chaotic family dynamic.
in season one when richie and carmy cater hotdogs at the birthday party, richie and cicero talk abt how richie never responded to calls from clients he gave richie’s number to for work (i can’t remember exactly what the job was?). richie says he never got any calls, cicero reads a message from a client who said she “repeatedly called rick at (insert phone number)”. richie explains that the number cicero had given out was actually mikey’s. im pretty sure that was the job cicero gave to richie after this christmas. it would explain why both of them were so upset at each other at the start of the s1 episode ‘dogs’. richie thought cicero never gave him work, and cicero thought richie begged for a job just to not follow through.
This is honestly the most uncomfortable I have ever been watching an episode of television. The show managed to make me feel like I was in the house and the entire episode I was trying to get the F out.
I haven’t felt this much anxiety watching something since Uncut Gems. Brilliance, sheer brilliance, and the satirical backdrop of the credits, music, a perfect juxtaposition. They nailed it.
Bffffft, Uncut Gems was uncomfortable because Sandler's character never shut his damn mouth. At least he bit it at the end, which made it instantly less uncomfortable.
I don't get what put off people so much about that movie. Was it the fact that he was a disgusting male sleeping with a woman not much older than his daughter?
Older males are cast along much younger women all the damn time. Were people previously ignorant of that? Did they not notice somehow? Or is that considered okay somehow?
they’re talking abt bill murray in the background bc mikey is (re)telling the story from 1x6 (ceres)!
This episode is nuts, and had my anxiety through the roof. Definitely exciting TV... However, I LOVED ep 7, actually cried a few times AND cheered because ep 7 is genuinely good television with excellent character development. Can't wait for your reaction on that one!
Agreed… he’s a new man after episode 7. Soooo much growth!!
@@mikemelfait also speaks to a couple things: Richie is bothered by Eva referring to Frank as ‘Uncle’, implying Lee was the same kinda Uncle; but more broadly, that Richie loved the Berzattos but really wasn’t better off for being so close with them
I think there’s (1) individual he meets in 2.7 that presents a polar opposite to Donna in a lot of ways important to what Richie goes through this season
I feel so horrible for natalie, all she wants is to help. this whole family needs therapy
"You're nothing"
This scene hit so hard. Words are all it can take to push you towards suicide.
You can see now why Carmy forgets his responsibilities when he meets someone who makes him happy.
Mikey crying when Carmy gave him the drawing was him realizing it could never happen, he would only hold Carmy back w. his addiction and mental health. But he still wanted Carmy to realize his dream w. the Bear, which is why he left the money in the tomato cans for Carmy to find.
I don’t know how they even got thru filming that. One of the best episodes of TV ever from the writing to the acting. Incredible
Dude the anxiety I had waiting to see if Mikey was gonna throw the fork 😂😂😂 I had to pause it first time I watched it cause I couldn’t stop laughing so hard
you guys might be the only claire fans to exist 💀
Who dislikes Claire? And why? She's dope
@@MandatoryFruit She oversteps a boundary and is aggressive pursuing Carmy. Who hunts down a person's # after they give you the wrong one??
@@AnkhGirlI ship Carmen with Sydney 🤷🏻♀️
This episode lowkey destroyed me and I wasnt expecting it too. At first I got the impression it was just a regular surface level interaction during christmas. But it made me realise just how delicate and impacting trauma during family events can be.
Natalie is a truly a sweetheart. Pete too, he doesn't deserve the disrespect. The entire family enabled Donna and Michael way too much. I was actually rooting for Lee to rock Michael's shit.
This episode is iconic already, an insane masterpiece. Next episode is also a masterpiece, but in a great way. Can't wait to see your reaction!
The second half of this episode had me so tense I was shaking lol
this episode gave me sooo much anxiety tbh. i watched it through carmy's pov and i totally get why he doesn't wanna go home. everyone is walking on eggshells, esp around donna. u can't tell what's gonna fucking happen next, but somehow the sense of impending doom was palpable right off the bat. also, poor Pete, i can't imagine the trauma he has to through during this dinner alone ⊙﹏⊙
This whole episode is full of people talking "at" each other and not "hearing" or just straight ignoring one another.
I love how at the end, Donna says "Nobody fucking helps me!" when literally a lot of people were offering to help but she rejected all of them, even Carmy's who was clearly helping her at the start.
This episode made me feel so much better about my dysfunctional family.
zoff or zaff or whatever’s thought process is an enigma
He's definitely on the spectrum. I used to hate him. Now I feel sorry for him.
@@martinhartman3557 idky you would hate or pity him. very extreme reactions lmao.
Honestly, one of my fav reactors. I love waiting for his reactions for certain things, super entertaining 😂
Reminds me of that one euphoria episode, so anxiety inducing
Which one
@@rockandfashion7207the one where all the family fights and they throw every terrible thing at the audience
@@andrewstephens5885Best episode of the season!
A simple phrase to describe this episode: An Assault on the Senses lol
I’m convinced this is the episode that won this show the Golden Globe for best comedy series.
Those awards were given for the first season. The episodes from season 2 are only just now going to be considered for the next Emmys, Golden Globes, etc
Donna is very clearly mentally il and dealing with a personality disorder and/or bi polar and as a result of this Mikey, Sugar and Carmy are all subjected to abuse in their childhood him. You have neglect, emotional and psychological abuse and possibly even physical abuse happening. It's a recipe for ptsd, anxiety and depression. I think Carmy's deep seated fear is that he is the same as Donna and that his mood swings and his erratic behavior are all just signs that he's becoming his mother when in reality, the guy is suffering with c-ptsd following years of abuse, both at home, and at work. The recent death of Mikey is now bringing it to the surface again. Richie's jibe at him when he was stuck in the walk-in, calling him 'Donna' sent Carmy off the deep end and the reason is because Richie just confirmed his biggest fear.
Sugar looks like she has it all together but she is also still traumatised. She is lucky to have a kind and empathetic partner in Pete, their relationship has probably gone a long way towards healing her but the fear around motherhood is definitely a direct result of her own childhood. Sugar fears that she will be as abusive and neglectful a parent as Donna has been to her and her brothers. Note that Sugar still invites Donna to the friends and family night, because she craves the approval and love of her mother even though she knows that Donna is incapable of giving her what she needs.
This gotta be FOR SURE an Emmy for Jamie Lee Curtis! 😳✨
Lmao Zach is literally Pete and I can’t unsee it
This episode and episode 7 need to win all of the awards. This particular episode was the best hour of television I've seen in a very long time.
Emmy for all...lol
Jamie Lee Curtis is a GENIUS and the rest of the cast is stellar! This whole episode just sent me to therapy though… such chaos 😬🫨🤯
I watched this episode with my mum and she actually despised it and I think it’s because she has acted like the mum on Christmas before
This episode was great. I thought Ep 7 was even better.
yes
When they are pitching their business plan to Cicero he mentions that the KBL scribbles Carmy keeps finding mean Kalinowski (Cicero), Berzatto (Mikey), and Lane (Uncle Lee). Seeing how Mikey and Lee got along it's curious why they agreed to be business partners.
I speculate Lee wanted to take “The Beef” from Mikey: we know Jimmy was close friends with father Berzatto who was the one who bought the lot; Lee might at least have known some of the context and be ‘trying to clean up a mess’ left behind by Mikey’s dad, even if it means cutting out Mikey
To Lee’s concerns, Mikey is the burden on Donna, when they are likely mother and son caught in a misery spiral
My mom would get manic like that all time growing up so I felt right at home 😂 Now she’s properly medicated and it’s amazing 👏 But Carmy and Steven did it right, you just have to sit back, watch the chaos, and know you can’t fix it.
Also my sister drove a car into our house once… I was maybe 20 feet away and all the painting flew off the walls towards me lol. That was my main flaw with the episode … that would have happened hahaha.
2x7 NEXT LETS GOOOOO
This episode was on some other shit 😬😮💨
I swear I yelled too when I saw John Mulany- this was gonna be good
The Bear is a great show. Hope y'all had a great time.
With Richie and the job I think that is what they were arguing about at the kids dinner. He thought Richie was ghosting him but he was actually calling mikey instead of richie
Jamie Lee Curtis’ character is literally trying to do Everything, Everywhere All At Once💀
Also Pete is the strongest soldier in this family 😭 I love him
Give Jamie Lee Curtis the Emmy already 👏🏽🙌🏽
Poor Rob 😭
This episode was total mayhem & really demonstrates how Carm has always functioned in chaotic, dysfunctional environments & how it's likely influenced his need for order, validation & perfectionist tendencies. No wonder why Sugar hates being at the restaurant & wanted Carm to just take Cicero up on his offer to buy the property & be done with it but Carm's refusal to do so makes me think he may be addicted to the chaos because he's a willing participant at this point.
Much better performance than in "everything everywhere all at once"!
Zuff is so… zuff😂😂. Best ep of the season
literally one of my fav reactions from you guys! from the reaction to the cameos to the crazy family dynamic, it was a fun time
your thoughts after were also very interesting
I come back to your channel each time i feel like I'm carrying too much on my back. I just kick back with some chip and dip, a cold coca cola, a journal and i listen (asmr) or watch your videos until i feel better. Most of the shows you're watching i don't watch but i still watch them anyway❤❤.
same i love coming home from work and watching one of their videos
I think the mom might’ve been manic or something, some kind of mental illness, that was really sad, and heartbreaking, to watch her spiral like that 😢😔
Heartbreaking but atleast it made me realize I need to keep my mother out of the kitchen! Not paying for that future hole in the wall.
we sure do love intergenerational trauma in this house :))))))
Them with no narcissistic parents: what
Me: yes
I loved to see this complex family dynamic. So real and painful and sad. The performances were incredible, awards aplenty for this I’m sure ❤
As someone who grew up in a family where holiday meetups were always "eventful"(albeit not NEARLY this bad), this was the most triggering hour of television I've ever seen. And yet somehow I keep coming back to clips of it...
Your outro was a great segue to the next episode. Good reaction and analysis guys!
Omg! I see why Carmy never came home
I swear to GOD I had two new ulcers by the end of this episode. SHEESH
this episode made me consider picking up smoking
This episode is.. the absolute most amazing piece of television I have wathced
If you actually understand it the bear represents the restaurant and he’s trying to tackle it all that’s why I think about why it’s called the bear and why there was an bear in the beginning
Justice for Natalie! Justice for Pete!
I love the surprise cameos
…so Guest Actress in a Comedy Series is going to JLC? We have just established that, correct??
As much as i love that i found your guys' reactions to this, I understand why more don't react to this show: its is emotionally draining lol i can see it in your faces after each episode and it is such a ride😅 Great reaction, as always, to one of my favorite episodes of one of my favorite new shows
This is a great episode but my fave is the next one, Forks. ❤
Such a testament to the show that they have been able to get so many stars to do these parts. Stars basically volunteered. JLC saw the first season and when they mentioned their mother she pointed at the screen and said she’s playing that part and the. Called her agent
The scars the family carries given the trauma. I wanna watch with my family but don’t want them to ask if they’re like Donna or Sugar or Mikey or Carmy. I’m tired of asking with member of the Bear I’m like.
i hate it how everyone is trying to cater to carmy, while fcking Michael is struggling with everything, getting ridiculed and clowned left and right... has to deal with the obvious depression and aggressive constant drunken state of his mother... which eventually leads to him offing himself.
you can see that when carmy brings him the painting and talks to him about starting the bear he is sad... cuz he probably already made his mind about taking himself out... and he is just sad that he wont be there with and for carmy.
To end it for me, the worst thing is lee has been hard pressing and clowning Mikey all night long and not a single soul defended Mikey. Not a fucking single one of them supported him. They all just remained silent. sheeeeeeeesh that was a hard watch episode in general.
Jon bernthal is great with micro expressions. At the beginning of the episode, Carmy says, "Hey Mikey, can you be you for a second? I can't deal with these people, " Mikey says yes and there's this second you see the dread on his face.
well given that at least one person there could see mikey was abusing drugs, and taking advantage of family's generosity to take money off them, so why would lee be sympathetic to a drug addict who was effectively taking money from the family?
Probably because what Lee was, albeit sadly, based on truth, and the rest being his family no one tells him directly about those things, since they can probably tell he's not ok. Only that Lee himself is also an ass, so he doesn't say it in a loving manner as a family member would ideally do. Trust me, I know. I have someone like Mike in the family too. Very macho, acts like his fine, messes up a lot, over and over again, and everyone knows but no one says this directly
Donna definitely has some sort of behavioral issue because she was all over the place.
Also there’s not way they didn’t know Mikey was on drugs
If you guys like this show you should re watch it on your own at some point cuz there is A LOT of really cool and subtle details you all missed.
Agreed