Fascism: Is Italy's government allowing the past to live on? | BBC News
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- Italy's current government is led by the Brothers of Italy party, which has roots in post-war fascism.
Its leader, Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni, has said her movement has completely changed and that it is clear her politics are not those of the people raising their arms in Milan.
But some fear she and her party have not moved far enough away from their political origins and that what was once considered the extreme is becoming mainstream.
Ms Meloni's Brothers of Italy party bears the same three-coloured flame logo adopted by neo-fascist groupings after the second world war, but she has progressively shifted her movement away from the far right.
BBC's Mark Lowen looks into the world of neo-fascism in Italy for BBC InDepth.
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When will BBC condemn Islamic Jihadist?
Of course. Another Islam hating fascist.
Jihadists fight for their independence country or act as resistance movements. But UK US Russians or colonial powers is expansionism movements
... in britain.
Interesting that you didn't either.
BBC for the U. K. is like CNN and MSNBC for the U. S. = pure garbage of Marxist ideology
Confused on why the BBC is criticizing Italy when they can’t even keep their culture at home intact.
Smartest comment yet
A culture shouldn't be intact. All great empires in the history of mankind had diverse and multi-ethnical cultures. Take the Roman Empire itself - since we are talking about Italy. We all understand how much prejudice and racism your comment carries, but it's still very dumb
@@igiovanni97 That’s like saying a family shouldn’t be intact, all great families of the past were just human atoms
The UK is excellent at integrating people into their culture. The leaders of Scotland, London, and the entire UK are all descendants of immigrants and the leaders of Northern Ireland and Wales were born abroad. The UK has more foreign-born residents than the US. Educated adults are as likely as native Britons to work and uneducated adults are 12% more likely to work. Students who don't have English as a native language do better than Britons at math and English exams. Immigrants with foreign credentials have roughly the same employment rate as local qualifications. Britain is extremely good at having people come, adopt the culture, and become citizens. So I would call that pretty good at keeping their culture intact!
They are reporting. Isn’t that what journalists do?
This is what happens when the people you elect do not gave a Damn about their own citizens.
I am italian and i agree. Problems are not people are these politicians and press disinformation
…or let someone like George Soros play chess with the world in favor of his own agenda.
Caliphate is not fascism? I would rather live 100 years ago than in the 7th century
No, it isn't. Don't project your fascism on Islam.
Would an Islamophobe, or anti-Muslim racist, like you condemn Hindutva for similar reasons? Wait... you wouldn't, because you and other neofascists are friendly toward Hindutva and because pro-Mussolini and pro-Hitler fan boys like you, other neofascists, and the Hindutva types (fascists in their own right) all want to see Muslims in concentration camps and mass graves.
A question is not an answer to this video... it's just a way for not saying anything and shift the focus of the viewers
both shit, why do we have to choose
@@thedude9014 ask liberals
It’s not happening in Italy only. It’s happening in all over Europe and the United States.
No it is not. What is happening is that moderate people are being pushed to the right. This is a minority which, albeit being somewhat a threat, does not represent the real threats: rising organised crime infiltrating society and islamism, which are undoubtedly correlated with uncontrolled immigration from ME and North Africa. A recent report in Sweden has shown that Iran is founding organised crime and indoctrination of the 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants from ME. We are under attack and the left seems oblivious to the real threat of our societies. Today EU election voting results will show you. Mark my words.
...and Americas as well
The fascist / communist war didn't end in 1945
@@JustinJamesJeep They are using anti-facism as a code word for communists then and now. Extremists... ugh.
yeah wonder why
As the 'Far Right' is gaining in popularity all over the Western world one has to ask Why? Why are people dissatisfied with the current state of their lives, then one needs to ask Who is gaining from this situation. Those are the real perpetrators of our current lives of austerity. Most people the world over simply want the same things, freedom to live in peace and enough to raise their families.
Excellent.
Exactly! The powers that ignore the distisfaction of their citizens do so at their own peril.
Its the elitist way this reporter speaks that let's me know who is to blame. He is literally saying the Italian government shouldn't tolerate this. What does not tolerating it look like? Fascists wouldn't tolerate it. If you want to censor or arrest people for this you are only going to make them stronger. In America it's the people that claim to be anti-facist that are the most fascist. If you cheer on the government to censor them today; tomorrow they will do the same to you and your ideals. Just calling people "fascist" doesn't mean anything anymore bc it's so overused and used incorrectly. I guarantee who prospers from this are the same people that prosper from everything else. They love it. Any division is good for them. The actual Italians are the indigenous population of Italy so they aren't crazy to feel like foreigners are coming to take their country. I used to say I wish the Native Americans were not accepting at all when the first Europeans came to their land but I realize now that the reason they didn't understand the threat was because it didn't happen overnight. It started very small and the natives had no idea what all would come, and if they had understood this threat sooner, they would have killed all the first ones to arrive. Colonialism never stops. In America, I have come to realize that what really makes a white supremacist is being so arrogant that it can't happen to you. That what you have can't ever be taken. The arrogance involved in people thinking it can't happen to them are the real supremacists of any race or people.
I'd say dissatisfaction in the country is a fuel for criminal grifters and stupid ideologies to rise. the country has problems? yes. turning towards mussolini? these people are clearly out of their mind.
Non-stop waves of illegal immigration is a good place to start if you need help finding modern reasons.
Right of center doesn't mean Fascist..Just like left of center doesn't mean Communist...
Part of the solution or part of the problem. You don't get to pussy foot both sides just so you can have more friends. This is war weather you wanna admit it or not
Key points of fascism, hope this helps.
1. The mythical past-used to invoke a nostalgia for a fictional time when the nation was great as it was not yet sullied by the “Other.”
2. Propaganda-to attack enemies, to justify violence, to justify laws against “Them” and to support the authoritarian leader.
3. Anti-intellectualism-to attack the media, universities, and scientists when they contradict the strong man’s authority.
4. Unreality-supporting conspiracy theories that tarnish the “Other” along with an outright denial of facts when convenient.
5. Hierarchy-espousing a “natural order” where the “Us” are hardworking, moral, law-abiding and productive members of society, while the “Other” is not.
6. Victimhood-casting “Us” as victims of “Them”, who are taking resources from “Us” and demanding special rights.
7. Law and order-using laws to justify violence, oppression, and expulsion of the “Other”.
8. Sexual anxiety-as the “Other” embraces non-traditional approaches to sexuality,
9. Appeals to the heartland-as rural communities are often more homogeneous and conservative (more “Us”) while urban cities are often more diverse, cosmopolitan (more “Them”).
10. Dismantling of public welfare and unity-by casting aside safety net programs as unfair giveaways to “Them”, who are not working, as opposed to “Us”, who are.
@@banquetoftheleviathan1404 well id rather be a fascist than a communist....every single day. Fascism killed WAAAYYY less people than communism...
Hope you guys read my replies... CZcams really doesn't like it when you talk bad about communism for some reason. Doesn't mind if you talk bad about fascists...but not communists.
@@banquetoftheleviathan1404 I'm not at war with anyone, neither is the country I live in. Here is a bit of good advice.... Communism AND fascism are terrible and are responsible for millions of deaths.....more so communism than fascism, well a lot more so, but you get the point. This isn't a war.
Demonstrations like these still occur in even small towns in Germany too. (Believe it or not)
Fortunately
I'm Italian and am appalled by all of this. It's just sickening. Please know that these represent like less than 5% of us, for the most part we are a sensible and reasonable people who do not condone any of this.
Well said 👏 BBC dramatises its story's anyway Italians are at their most dangerous when they are driving.
Are you sure less than 5%? If so how did a far right politician get voted in to power.
@@bassman5948 If we interview some random people on the street for what party they vote, left or right, it's pretty sure that almost all of them say they abhor the far right. And most of them are lying. That's the problem.
How did they end up running Italy then?
@@bassman5948 Good question.
The renaissance of fascism in Italy is a logic outcome of way too much immigration over recent years.
Blame on migrants...
There was almost none immigration to Italy before Mussolini came to power. So your argument falls to pieces. Fascism prays on the stupidity and the vilest of humanities instincts.
the reinassance of fascism??? fascism never leave my country... we are the most ignorant nation of Europe... that's why fascism is still here.
Why do you think there is too much immigration?
That's exactly it, because feudalistic lifestyles Oligarchs just care about having new types of slaves,
so many people just enjoying the moment, no cellphone in sight
You love to see it
So classist, and racist, and y'all are outnumber people on social networks as Vietnamese farmers. Right?
@@jesussuarez2985 i dont understand, what do you mean by this?
They are too stupid to be able to use a smartphone
😂😅😅
UK Londonistan is the greatest example of falling society, the troubled multiculturism.
Did our politicians really think that mass immigration wouldn't have consequences?
So, you're trying to justify Italian Fascism because you were foolish enough to believe myths about migrants?
That's not even a solution to the immigration issues, if Italy becomes a fascist state your public relations, trade with other nations will take a huge hit aside from the internal division that would rise. Going fascist means your country going down the drain.
Google kalergi plan
@@ibrahima222 Yes, and so does mass migration of ibrahims.
But it’s OK when Italy does it to other countries or European countries do it to other countries?
BBC should clean their own houses before criticizing others
anyone can criticise fascists, its free.
What does that even mean
@@notapplicable4567 he probably means that the UK should get rid off all their brown people, there's a bunch of fascists commenting this.
What your essentially saying is that no media organization can cover events outside there own country without establishing a golden aged utopia first?
Ohhhh the bbc
Italy is the only case when assuming that people on the far-right are fascists, would make sense, although there's still a gap between those people and the party of Mussolini.
Although he wasn't interested in race, he was just a straight forward national socialist. So a leftwing authoritarian.
BBC needs a BBC
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Italy needs a BBC
@@sergejisd uh huh, what about you?
@@user-bf4vw1gq7q
I just said it
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It is hilarious. You are doing a service about fascism in Italy meanwhile, in Brussels all the people are unelected and corrupted😂😂
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Then leave UE.
But you'll probably have to force the majority of your contrymen to follow you first, which is not a problem for a real fascist.
You know that the European Parliament is an elected body, right? Fash porcine creature.
@@samuctrebla3221 Both the funny moustache man and Mussolini were elected democratically...
@@tetrahedron9196 Yeah, I know propaganda works for everyone. Obviously, the whole political program was not on display before the election. And it surely was not up for debate after, which is my main point.
Meanwhile, you can leave EU freely. Brussels won't send tanks. But I repeat : currently, the majority of your people will have to be forced (unless you're british I guess), as even people like Meloni, Orban and Le Pen are well satistifed with UE despite their empty words against it
BBC is left
Nope they are not. And the so called " Roman salute" is French it was fisrt invented in the painting Horatios oath.
Lol what? BBC is British pro Government TV that even make people pay for the TV license to be properly BSited for their very own money. Britain is a Monarchy, means they are far right.
BBC IS TRASH!
@@Rikard_A i told BBC
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What kind of journalism this?
1. In all of this, where were the attempts to ask self-proclaimed supporters of Mussolini to explain what in him they actually support in the present day? (It would give you an opportunity to test the general knowledge as well as political ideology in actual words: a mere salute at a contemporary really does naught to explain one’s political stances; for all you know many may have attended those out of peer encouragement or ignorance of history)
2. Where were the statistics for the abundance-in percent terms-of what is regarded as deplorable political support from people? Surely, nothing is more important than a statistical picture of the reality, of the truth.
I thought Mussolini, the creator of fascism was a socialist?
Yes. That’s correct.
Correct... proof that they don't know what they're talking about
And a cun7
nazis are socialist too. its called national socialism. so you correct. thats why I dont like both of them nazis and commies.
but fascists are no way a "bigger threat" then jihadd. we actually need some harder counteraction on jihadd amongst people :D
@@anton_ruiba stup1d american I'm guessing
What is fascism? Is it anti-immigrant? Does it want to preserve traditional culture and oust foreign influence?
Or, does it allow exterior cultures to supplant the natives? These terms are used very loosely and don't really match the definitions.
In all of the history of the world, there is not a singe instance of what you're describing, except by armed conquest.
An exterior culture cannto supplant the native, because you would have to convert the native to the new culture by force or persuasion, which never happen.
Listen to Umberto Eco’s 14 Characteristics of Fascism.
Unless you’re entirely disinterested in an honest definition, and care more to rebrand it to your liking…
Like the Islands of Hawaii , New Caledonia,PuertoRico, etc… etc…
@@acheybones588 I liked The Name of the Rose. Great author. But the definition is meaningless now. It's just used as an accusation, like Nazi.
@@philguer4802 Literally half the history of the USSR says otherwise. Where do you think Siberia got all those people, and how Eastern Europe started speaking so much Russian?
Dangerous times we live in when a leading party member says he's a qualified fascist. Incredible. -Richard in US
There’s common sense! Nothing is “ far right “!!!!
Islam out of Europe NOW!
Here he goes... the ignorance pulling out, blaming other for their stupidity, ignorance and racism....
what nonsense. Italy for indigenous population.
We're all human.
@@someoneElse4229thats like owning a house and some random guy comes and lives with you because he’s a human as well apparently
@@Man-je9zv If he's paying rent and I've got the space, why not?
@@someoneElse4229 post your address, if you stand by what you are saying. Or else, you are just another hypocrite.
@@someoneElse4229 if he has a different set of values and culture than you, and decides to own the house, he will kick you out, and you will like it.
absolutely insane. The world in going to hell in a fruit basket.
“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”
― Benito Mussolini
@@HarryF-tz5fo Benito Mussolini never even said that, and you're just going to ignore the Nazi salutes?
Your just wrong fascism is it own thing about absolute control over the state corporatism is way different almost opposites.
Note: I’m not making any statements about if corporatism is good, it’s just nothing like fascism.
Wrong, all corporatism cares about is the bottom line and will pander to whatever is the dominant regime and culture within and around that Corp to obtain it..it will even lie and lobby to hide it's wrong doing and continue to operate....just look at how the majority of corporations are operating in the west and it is the same everywhere else
@@ZantTheMan corporatism is fascism but fascism isnt corporatism
@@HarryF-tz5fo No. Not even remotely lol. I love how morons will look at their own preferred system's consequences and go "the left did this"
This is what we need in Europe and America against Islam and Communism.
My dear friend In the light of enlightenment please read Quran you will surely love God and his Prophets.
@khan71826 islam does not belong in Europe
@@africanlipplateandbonenose3223 any justification
I agree with you whole heartedly
@@khan71826 yea right. We can not extend tolerance to those who do not extend it back. Tolerance needs to go both ways. I do not care and even enjoy meeting most immigrants from all around the world. I know Indians that are amazing peaple for example. My city has a very large Asian population great peaple. Some Muslims are fine and integrate just fine. However some do not.
Italy has seen massive immigration from multiple Islamic countries. Muslim migrant communities are growing at such a rate any demographer can show how the population growth outpaces native Italians. The BBC avoids this subject and plays these marginal stories of Hitler and Mussolini from 80 years ago instead of focusing on the the Islamafascists that march in cities across Italy and Germany demanding special rights and judicial independence with sharia law courts. Political Correctness is a far bigger danger than fascism.
What Islamafascists do you see marching on the streets.
I’m living in Italy, what the hell are you talking about? That’s nothing “marginal” about fascism here, boy. We have around 4 mil immigrants from like over 70% are Christians actually. We’re about 58 million for you to understand.
@@michellenarkis that’s absolute rubbish and demonstrates the sheer intellectual laziness of a BBC targeted audience . The Italian Government office of Demographic and statistics via census data shows the overwhelming percentage of recent migrants are Muslims ranging from countries like Somalia to Pakistan to Arab and other African states. Your fantasy about no demonstration occurring for greater Italian government participation in funding migrant services is so deep in lie it’s utter propaganda. Come to any island off Sicily or Sicily proper and or any train or bus station from Palermo to Verona and anywhere in between ~ your lies will confront you right to your face. Lazy just lazy.
@@michellenarkis4mil is too many,
@@user-vw2ue8kc9e well most of them they are from EU, Romania, Albania, Ukraine, but well, considering they are not Italians. Morocco and China making the big number for those outside EU, none of which have sharia or the bs has written this person. At least from what we see here. Crime is the problem, that’s true.
"Nostalgia being given free reign!" Seriously, what the hell does that even mean? Is BBC now asking the Italian Government to outlaw nostalgia?
People in the comment section know the difference between patriotism and fascism? Because fascism is not only corporativism, patriotism or nationalism as someone said. Fascism is a totalitarian ideology that came to power between 20s and 40s of the last century instilling fear through the society, eliminating political opposition (read about fascist squadrism, Matteotti murder etc.), prohibitng free and multiparty elections (national fascist party was the only legal party in italy) and subjugating and discriminating minorities. Fascism is violence, this is the true definition, because is a violent ideology, came to power with violence and led Italy to violence, dictatorship and the absence of rights and freedom and ultimately to war. National socialism was inspired by fascism and that should says it all. The historical revisionism we are witnessing in this period is unacceptable and is based on fear, confusion and poorness of the people. These are hard and uncertain times and today as then far-right blows on the general discontent with the risk of starting a fire that will not be easy to put out if it becomes too large as history teaches. Don't look for easy answers to complex problems, try to use your head and not your gut, we must all try to find an alternative to all of this together and united. And the far-right parties that don’t condemn these so called nostalgic tributes are complicit and irresponsible because they do it for electoral gain or worse out of real conviction in certain cases for these ideas. Or worse for pure ignorance because you can be nationalist and right-wing without being illiberal and fascist, because it is too easy to condemn the drifts of an ideology if the ideology itself is incompatible with our liberal democracies. This is why they always taught us to watch over democracy because this is not just an Italian phenomenon but a European if not global one. Think about it, people. And get informed well about what surrounds you and about history. And the great grandson of a fascist secret agent tells you this so i know what i’m talking about and the risks involved in this dangerous twist.
Communists are nervous…
Becase the rats are out?
China or Russia?
@@larryc1616 BBC
Yeah right like you fascists align more with democracy than violent autocracies
@@dipi5313The wolves are creeping out of the woodwork, and the cries of the sheep are falling upon deaf ears. That’s what’s happening. That’s why they are fearful.
"No government fights fascism to destroy it. When the bourgeoisie sees that power is slipping out of its hands, it brings up fascism to hold onto their privileges." Buenaventura Durruti
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Fascism is basically a movement of middle classes in Europe, because it also involves defending all of the business interests of whatever types of people middle classes, including factories and everything else.
Everyone is just fighting to protect their children's interests and future. Movements like this pop up because the established channels of political action are not taking their concerns seriously.
Fascism is capitalism's dog, always ready to be let loose when they are losing.
Fascism is the swan song of capitalism. It is the contradictions of a conflicted system flaring up after they've gone unaddressed for too long. Only after it serves its purpose of purging class consciousness will liberal capitalist power seek to return it to the prior state.
We just want change and after 20 years of allowing things and making concessions we are finally done with it.
It's called freedom of speech .
While it’s great to cover this topic it’s terrible journalism from the part of BBC to gloss over the reason why Fascism is problematic. Conflating the horrors of Nazism with the Fascist of Italy is NOT the same and by not addressing the flaws of the Italian Fascist you leave it open to ‘interpretation’.
There is a much deeper issues re Nationalism and the corruption under Capitalist oligarchs as well as the ‘Mafia’ style politicians that are the root cause of why so many Italians are leaning into Fascism. Why did Fascism begin in the 1st place?
These BBC docs end up not asking bigger questions and certainly not answering them which ends up creating a vacuum that can be filled by disinformation.
I agree with you, they don't even try to go to the root, which would be helpful to at least propose some alternatives who don't look that pitiful and who are likely to be better.
As a very average Italian I'd like to have an idea on how to tackle the problems we're facing in a fruitful way, but I honestly have no idea where to start and I'm very sad that most of the time I understand Italian news better when I watch some foreign journalist.
Unfortunately this is not one of those times...
That's the problem with all journalism sadly.
It's always only surface level entertainment.
I suppose you just ignored them cheering for Hitler.
@@TesterAnimal1 I guess you missed when he said it was irony and the courts deemed it as such as well, in Italy it's common to joke on these things as we don't take everything seriously, maybe in other countries it's not
Some of you folks seriously sound like Marxist! Greeting from Croatia.
These people’s stubbornness or conscious lying of the history of Mussolini’s fascists regime is quite alarming.. Mussolini led a brutal crackdown on his own people, and literally tortured and murdered them, and if that’s not enough for you guys to understand …the invasion of several African nations, including Ethiopia, where that regime, gassed, murdered and exterminated hundreds of thousands should have been eye awakening enough, but remember selective history is always bias
You are transgender.
Which Italians did Mussolini torture and kill? Can you list that? Interesting that Mussolini considered Italian Catholics and Italian Jews as equal Italians. He considered his Economic policies equal to Roosevelt's New Deal. His policy involved government spending on schools, teachers, electricity and water services, road construction, public transportation. Are these Liberal policies of today? Interesting his clamp down on media mirrors equally how liberals clamp down on opposition. Mussolini would be a Democrat today.
And how do you know that you’re not pushing propaganda? Italy ended slavery in Ethiopia. Mussolini banned communist parties in Italy because he saw the havoc they were causing in Spain, Germany and Russia. Don’t pretend that you’re the good guys if you won’t hold communists to the same standard
Who was Stalin afraid of towards the end of his life? why did Nazi officers right after the Nuremberg trials the night before their execution say what they said? why did Hitler at the beginning of his leadership say we are in an ideological, death struggle which pits National Socialism against what??? Why did the Great American General George Patton say what he said “we’re are fighting the wrong enemy”? You might want to check out what these men said before you really hate and think Mussolini is such a bad guy! It might help to read the patton papers his personal journal, at least the last four chapters! It might help to read target Patton! It might help to read Iron Curtain and Robert Robinsons, my 44 years in the Soviet Union or Homer Smith’s black man in red Russia. I could name more, but you probably need to read more just in general! As well as the 88 something fools who liked your comment
Apart from Ethiopia what other African nations?
Really I don’t understand how government even allowed to sell this symbols and still don’t prohibit this kind of events?
freedom of speech meaning anything to you or does it only count when people repeat left trash propaganda authorized by the government?
You have freedom to buy all kinds of symbols and hold events that don't break your laws.
If government starts interfering in legal way of life then you will get truly a fascist government.
BBC,You should also mention that your Country,England helped Mussolini and Fascism in italy a lot to come up to power,Mussolini was on the MI5 payroll,100 Pound per Week in 1917,and had a very good relationship with Samuel Hoare,Head of MI5 in italy WW1,Secretary of state in UK,(pact Hoare/Laval to help Mussolini in Etiopia conquest)and the Big Cherry on the Cake always from England was the Admiration/Praise for Mussolini and Fascism from Winston Churchill, Churchill said in 1927 when he came to Italy that him himself would be on the Fascist side without any doubts, this worked well until 1939,and the rest it's history
ok boomer
And? Do they do facist marches there in UK? I don’t think so.
Britain starts things they wish they had not. They are not alone in this bad habit.
1 mistake doesn't make the other excusable. Excuses for bad behavior. Such beta cuck attitude
@@FixedFace I'm Gen Z and your take is quite cringe! Be more respectful and responsible!
By far the leading factor in Europe for this is mass uncontrolled immigration and for some reason its wrong to try and look after your home and people.
For some reason it's wrong to try to save people from drowning because they don't have the "correct" ethnicity.
Two words: climate change.By and large, people will not lock themselves into their houses and quietly starve to death, much as we wish they would.
Fascists will always find scapegoats, and the scapegoating of migrant people as the root cause of all evils in society is as obvious now as it should have been in the 1930s.
“Look after your home and people” is funny given the history of European states colonizing and exploiting foreign homes and foreign peoples. You expected the people in lands destroyed by western states to sit still and die quietly?
Immigration is a massive phenomenon with multiple facets and causes, and complicated effects. Demagogues and populists simplify and turn into the root of all problems which explains the rise.
Italy's and Europe's underlying problem is low birthrate since 1960s. The immigration problem is merely a after affect..
"The State still ALLOWS these demonstrations to take place!" I believe that Italy is a Democracy, and with Democracy comes Freedom of Speech, and Freedom to assemble, non-violently of course. And, I see no violence in these Fascist demonstrations. So, is BBC suggesting that the present Italian government stomp on peoples Rights to speak, or gather? Well then, THAT sounds Fascistic to me. So, what Are you saying, BBC?
What about the (((BLM))) or (((antifa))) protests? Nobody got charged for any violence that occured.
Meloni is not doing enough, she is letting in too much, its not fascism, its just saniity, for any race and ethnicity to maintain their people and way of life
because there are rules in society, unless the country goes completely rough there is no way to stop something natural like immigration . Unfortunately most people like you have little knowledge about anything
Europe is turning tô the right finally!!!!
Wait BBC. Your critiquing Italy for worshipping Mousillini. But worship Churchill/Crowley. Hush, go study your own counties history.
No one is whorshipping Churchill. Nor did Chirchill diamanter the democracy in Great Britain or the monarchy.
Mussoline attacked the democracy in Italy and the Monarchy. All thing conservative was attacked by Mussoline and made Italian men to whimps.
Who won WW2 🤔
*Mussolini
Are you sure you won 😂 Britanistan you lost the only winner are the Communists who destroy you're nation facism was designed to be anti communist Yuri Bezmenov already explained how you screwed yourself.?@@terienciosolanoii7215
@@TheMrMerudin Russia???
Italy has a long and rich history with more heroic people to worship, but they picked a loser...who get executed when fleeing
Thats because of nato strategies
Pick? They other folks wore RED and were controlled by Stalin! Do you rather Italy was a vessel state of the Soviet Union. That was Italy in 1920s and 30s.
Yeah, noone to blame but the neoliberal woke politicians that engineered this nightmare. Germany has become a hellhole full of foreigners that neither respect the country nor the native people.
@getlost3349 Mussolini controlled Italy in the 1920’s and 30’s.. not the reds 💀
@@getlost3346 nope. fascism in Italy started in 1922. In 1930 we were already under full fascist dictatorship. There was never a REAL danger of getting under Stalin influence
"That's the most sold calender in Italy." I mean, what kind of people still use calenders nowadays.
people who look up from their phones once and a while
BEFORE "SOME ONE "WAS INTERSTED IN TOLERANCE AND WAS A BIG PROMOTION OF THAT, NOW "THAT SOMEONE" INTERSTED IN FASCISM AND IT IS PROPMOTED TODAY
Itay is in dire straits.
Facism did not save her last time and whould not do so now. It is a weird reaction to bad times.
they also made a great song, Sultans of Swing.
are we in dire straits? UK is in dire straits, we just love complaining really.... our figures are all relatively positive actually, nothing surprisingly good but things are going better than usual. Is it due to Meloni's government? I don't think so but neither we can blame her. And definitely if neofascist groups are still present in the country it is not because of Meloni's action but because we have two different laws (scelba and fiano) and we never really enforced them.
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What people need to understand is that all countries were infiltrated decades and decades ago. Really it started over 100 years ago.
It’s a take over from within! The only way that can happen is when you are infiltrated and you have actors playing along within your government and other significant infrastructures like financial, schools. universities, ( where it started back in the late 1700’s early 1800’s! ) health etc.
Even if a politician is in office and allows even a little bit of this type of behavior, you can be sure it’s infiltration.
The same with any politicians allowing mass migration! How does mass migration benefit anyone!? Especially the people of that country! It’s not a far left woke thing! This is much more serious !
Also does everyone really think the mass migration going on is just a big Effjng coincidence that it’s happening to so many countries all at once!
Nothing , especially a movement like this, is a coincidence. Especially since they are coming with stories of being funded by the U.N. .
Fascism not only didn’t saved Italy, it destroyed it. Italy in my opinion won’t arrive at the point of another civil war like in 1943 but will arrive at a similar point as Orban's Hungary very quickly ( this government is making anti democratic laws quickly and reducing power to the head of state) and after that i can’t imagine what it will become. One of the main problems of italy is the lack of interest in this issues from the population allowing this to happen almost without bumps.
Save from what? From multiculti? From the traitors like you? I agree!
You can't fix pure stupid, it's generational.
History repeats itself. People will defend their culture
Funny enough, BBC covered AZOV AS FAR RIGHT NOT MANY YEARS AGO!
Genes of low IQs keep spreading
@@CoupleDrinkspeople defend their homes. They act out in the name of their cultural messiah. You can't defend something you need to take revenge for.
I think is more stupid to become Pakistan
The reporter has an obsession with "gas." What gas exactly?
the past must live on, so we can learn from it. you goddamn cowards
Anyone remember the montra, "The south shall riase again." This isn't that unique for the USA.
Montra? WT?
@@user-ez9en7vk2z they meant mantra
The American Civil War (1861 -1865) was a much smaller show than the one Mussolini helped start.
Mantra. The south will rise again.
I wouldn’t say the South of Italy will ever rise again either honestly, to decentralized and lack of opportunities
Prime Minister Melons refused to condemn the public display of the Fascist salute. No surprises there
don't insult the melons!
It's the Roman salute, you mo R on!
@@Thichaou it's the same moron. they just call it roman, to distract. and all of a sudden they arn't antisemitic anymore.... like le pen le front national. they both still are. you mo r on...
It is not, no proof of it being used in Ancient Rome.
@@Thichaou It's a salute to Fascism, you fake Roman
We Europeans have the right to remain the majority on our own land. We have the right to preserve our culture, values and identity. No one wants to be reduced to a minority on their own land
BBC asking why italy is allowing free speech is wild
When and where has fascism ever been good for countries in modern history? When will we ever learn from our mistakes?
When we stop judging Communism by a different standard. 😉
It did actually work in China. Look how many of them are now living better than alot in the FREE west. I'm North American and white.
@@mrico523 we don't judge it by a different standard. historical failures.
Free market capitalism is only economic system that works
@@user-xf3cu4le5zand where is there Free Market Capitalism?
Everywhere is happening the same. History repeats over and over again, it is real nightmare.
No, not everywhere...
whats your solution then
Another idiot
Lit all you’d have to do is stop allowing the mass immigration/bs asylum cases and the AFD ect would lose a platform for like 90% of their current support base, but you’re too stubborn to do that
Yeah, noone to blame but the neoliberal woke politicians that engineered this nightmare. Germany has become a hellhole full of foreigners that neither respect the country nor the native people.
As a Slovenian I am very concerned about Italian fashism growing. Suddenly they are presenting themselves as VICTIMS of WW2, how they suffered by Yugoslav partisans etc. etc. They don't ever tell how they occupied Slovenian territories and that they were given some of these territories after WW2 because the allies wanted a port in N Adriatic, but did not trust Yugoslavia. Italians were invaders who gor out of the war unscathed and yet they present themselves as victims. Insanity on the rise.
Everyday people in the UK, France, Germany, Austria, and Italy are obviously discontent with the way their countries have been run for the last however many decades. Europe, in general, is not happy with the way its socio-cultural patterns have evolved. A lot of people want change, so you'll get a lot of this, for better or worse. It seems hard for the people in charge to fight it and say they want more of the same when the people aren't satisfied with that anymore.
As Italian I do not perceive the fascism in the way it is being described. That belongs to a small and yet very noisy nostalgic group. At the contrary, on a governmental basis I do not see much difference between left and right because they respond to exterior powers. It would be interesting for you to show to the world how much the UK got into the Italian policy since the nation got united. And that is just as sickening as fascism. It’s history!
Evola stated , and I agree, that to critique Fascism is to critique all politics and governing . Fascism means to hold together.
Its funny. Because you have globalist antinational antipopular corporate fascists in power and then popular nationalist fascist movement as reaction to the first. =D
Its all along their plan, I guess. =D
Isn't your pm a nazi queen?
@@TheSunship777is that how you people are trying to redefine it? Pathetic.
what bbc does is an old tactic: to portray a minority as being the majority of the people. Nothing new here, on another socialist mainstream media group.
That’s terrifying! I’m an Italian abroad.. that is one of the reasons because I’m not going back there !
Why is the media ignoring the rise of communist thinking in colleges and people celebrating Stalin, Fidel Castro and Albania communist dictator. Remember communism parties still exist. Why talk about fascism every day and just ignore communism.
It's not the gov's role to stomp out dissent, as the BBC would prefer here, that is actual fascism. The true question is WHY these people feel they're not being listened to and WHY they seek change.
I agree, I have looked into this. One of the big reasons some Italians got to this place is way too much immigration. They are not very fond of the political theory of social justice and intersectionality either. They also hate the economy. They're tired of seeing immigrants getting assistance and struggling Italians aren't receiving assistance. All of Europe has handled immigration badly. It should've been a slower process of assimilation. But that's hard to do when you have different types of cultures. It was easier when Europeans immigrated to the US or other European countries because they kinda have a similar culture.
More fascist than BBC? That record is impossible to beat
Missolinis Italy was the 1st country to grant asylum to Subhas Chandra Bose.
I live in the US and this proves to me that there are stupid people around the world. Learn your history. Stop with the hate. We are all human.
Perhaps the Italians should look at the elaborate financial packages of their government employees instead of "the others"
or corruption, fake building races and high salaries for politicians
nah
They need to get rid of the Mafia. And the Pope.
I am American, but the way this reporter says they "tolerate this" as if they should do what to these people? Censor them? What does not tolerating them look like? Fascists are the people who would censor them. Go ahead and see what happens when you give the government that much power bc what they do to these folks you don't like today they will eventually do to you or people you care about tomorrow. In America, the people who call themselves anti-facists are actually the most fascist. The elites in America hate the poor especially and the middle-class and if we fight back they will label us as fascist or white supremacists or call black people "black white supremacists" or whatever they can come up with to hate the poor and and middle-class. I don't know about Italy. 5 yrs ago I may have taken this at face value, but now I have questions.
@@gozardsmooth yeah right :D good luck with that, though I wholeheartedly agree on many points.
Islamic state of britain
This video has a blog (in the description) that I stumbled upon by chance: czcams.com/users/shortshVNw-9LcyP0?si=oUd5iQsu1CGBkPph the story is quite moving while addressing taboo subjects without going to the extreme...
Every citizen should be free to associate and practice beliefs without interference. So long as the general public is not affected.
BBC you are talking nonsense.
Really?
It all ended rather badly last time, didn't it?
But today's time is in Italy. Especially in the field of demography. Much better than under Mussolini!!??
Benito Mussolini & his mistress had atleast good 180° view of service station in Milan at the end
The criminal left is always causing trouble in the world
@@Marat_2023_HusnutdinovDemographics have nothing to do with Mussolini per se. Even France or united kingdom of 1920 had better demographics than today..Ideology has nothing to do with it.
I'm willing to give it a second chance, it can't get worse than now.
Do people in Italy still use real calenders? Damn, we really lost it now, didn't we..
massive emigration is a main cause
You are just out of touch.Italy is not a fascist contry
The people on the street say that they are fascist, you don't need to lie for them while they don't lol
@@cemdursun The BBC likes to change the narrative. They did the same about 'natsees taking over the government in Ukraine'.
You can make a video about any country and manipulate your audience. 50 protesters do not represent an entire country.
You're correct I'm sure majority are not Fascist, But from what is being reported this movement is slowly growing specially if people are allowed to openly ralley , and salute like nazies on the street. People are just dumb and egotistical. Not learing from past History and repeating it all over again.
Not yet but the actual government is working hard to change that
More people are incarcerated in the UK and the US than ever was in Fascist Italy Mr. Interviewer!
Fred West payed his taxes.... Does that mean he wasn't a serial killer?
The Roman salute is from a painting called The Oath of the Horatii, painted in 1784 by Jacques-Louis David. There is no historical evidence the Roman's used this salute.
You are right. There is also no evidence of the existence of the Roman Empire and the Romans.
Italians aren't even Roman, their ancestors are the ones who destroyed the Romans and its hilarious they cling on to the symbolism of being Roman and hold them as their ancestors
Nope . Il legionary salute. Study better mr hamburger
@@gigiluigi6359 False, word salad.
@@WaltzingUndead nope. Open a book or go to Wikipedia if you are enabled to open a book . Mr cowboy hamburger
Remember operation gladio
These are patriots who love their country and bbc is smearing anyone who does… it’s sad…. Love the narrative your paining bbx
Man, people need to start minding their own business. If someone doesn't want a family, religion, or to be a nationalist, that's their choice, and you have nothing to do with it. Go find something to do instead of mindlessly following these ideologies of the past. We study history in school for a reason: to learn from it and avoid repeating the same mistakes.
Anything center in Europe is considered far right lol
Not to forget Ken Kirby's 1989 BBC documentary "Fascist Legacy", on Italian fascist war crimes in Africa and the Balkans, bought by Italian Rai TV and never broadcast by it and the book by Michael Palumbo "L'olocausto rimosso" on which it was based, censored in Italy in 1992 by the publisher Rizzoli. This is also to talk about the fact that Italy "has never dealt with fascism".
you know, Italians defend serbian people from germans but expecially from croatian nazi monsters.. Read the book of Kurzio Malaparte about ww2,
Italians defend serbian people from germans and especially from croatian nazis
Netherland shows, now Italy will show. And rest of the Europe.
Just like Islamist and trumptards here
So WW3
Does the US have to come and save Europe from fascism again? 🇺🇲🙄
And than the EU will introduce voting machines, early voting and voting-by-mail.
Enough of jews already! And the rest of strangers! No jews, no fascism, no racism, no antisemitism! So simple!
Netherlands show whát? That people voted in democratic elections on a party that has been active for more than 20 years? No I didn't vote for Wilders, but still: what are you talking about.
This is disgusting. Those same people are doing bad things in the shadows, yet they want to control the lives of others.
everyone in the comments saying this is not fascist, did you see the NAZI SALUTE?
They are brainwashed. They'd love to live in Germany in the mid-late 1930's
They are brainwashed.
@@user-cvbnm No, they are nazis. They know damn well what they are doing.
When the State is no longer guaranteed, identity disappears, malfeasance dominates, security vanishes, this happens.
OTOH, When the State is too powerful, the same thing happens.
When internationalists try to destroy the ethnic and cultural identity of a nation, this happens.
@@obsidianjane4413yeah right haha very true but way way worst
@@obsidianjane4413 No Italy is too weak thats why they elected Melonie. People elect right wing when there's financial and social issues in a country
@@ElonHusky Not what we are talking about here. But thanks for playing.
It's like chasing the wind, no one will ever catch it.
I don't think lgbtq+-+ had more rights before fascism in Italy
Ha ha ha
This is disgusting - the sick UK criticising Italy. Lol!
They’re not criticizing Italy they’re criticizing fascism.
@@centralgirl10 well they should in this case criticize islam
@@ryszakowy of course, that too. Multitask ppl lol
I dont remember BBC doing a 20 minute Video when the same exact thing was going on in Ukraine Keiv back in 2014-2017...
Haha, they're alright now!
Nazi parties only gained 2 seats in parliement, and they got voted out in the last election. The far right in ukraine is dead, the liberials have gained their popularity from the invasion and external threat.
Yes they did!! You can still find it. Type "BBC" and "Azov" or 'far right'.
You probably didn't look for it. Doop
Indian democracy is not perfect, but i can say with pride that in coming years indian democracy will be better then west model of democracy.
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Right when Italians are angry with their gov and the EU thats fascism. But Ukrainian and western Fascism against Russia thats totally totally fine. I hate hypocrisy.
If you love your country you considered fascist.. getting tiring.
I'm tired of all the whining from violent racist fascists.
@@RandomDudeOne so am I, and the fact that they think just paying lip service by calling themselves, "AnTiFaShIzTs" is enough to overlook the 25 years of bullshit they been pulling is especially laughable.
i mean simping the guy that enslaved your own people is wild, there is always people who born to be dominated and to be opressed, i guess you are one of them, that musalini guy tried to take east Africa and we know what happened we whooped his as*
@@jumpupdown2556 facism is the d*mbest idea that have ever exist
So you'd say those actual fascist marching "just love their country" .
You're a fascist supporter that complain about false accusations of fascism why pretending (badly) you're not fascist... hypocrisy at it's finest and msot stupid.
I’ve seen this coming a long way off, and why? Because of what the EU has done to all of its constituent nations. It’s not justification but rather simply cause and effect. So predictable.
Totally the E.U. has behaved so terribly especially regarding immigration. People feel bullied by an E.U. government that they feel doesn't represent their interests. I wish people would learn from history though. I wish the far right and far left that both realize that fascism and communism lead to the deaths of millions.
Secondly....
Now do a documentary on
The mass qaves of immigrants and the increase 8n crimes, murders, andnother despicable acts to EUROPEANS f
They're looking for their own brand of nationalism and it's their perogative. Obviously they're trying to express continuity of identity starting with Rome. All these questions were raised by importing mass problems into a country that's now been economically struggling for generations and has had high emigration of young people. Sending out your own young people to suddenly find your country filling up with strangers is terrifying. They're just looking for a way to organise and respond.
“Imagine this in Germany..it just wouldn’t happen”. Can you bet your career on that??
😅😅😅
Are you insinuating, that there are any legal ww2-paraphernalia shops in Germany? Just name the shop and the location instead of babbeling BS. Oh, there is none? Well, i see...
@@user-bk4us9vv8t I am responsible for what I wrote. I am not responsible for what you understood.
@@user-bk4us9vv8t "Just name the shop and the location" lol, foaming at the mouth at the mere idea. 'You're hiding fascists under your house, aren't you comrade?'
Explain far right and far left and any far directions if you may have?
Far right: fascism, Nazism, colonialism.
Far left: Socialism, communism, anarchism.
It's pretty standard, I thought they taught this in schools.
@fchicod
Nawww busy teaching PRIDE all month instead lol
@@fchicod nazi = national SOCIALIST party theyre left you clod
@@fchicod calling leftists anarchists is quite... retardo. the soviets were also quite colonial, as well as the Chinese(even up till today FREE TIBET, FREE Turkestan).
left and right is a stupid arbiter. it was meant to define the monarchists and republicans(revolutionaries).
but it doesnt define actual policy, especially not economic policy.
the only line that arguably is true, is on immigration. for which again, using a different spectrum nationalist vs internationalist would be better.
the worst bit about the left-right wing bullshit is that hitler and mussolini saw themselves as removed from it. they didn't consider themselves far anything. they saw themselves as third positionists. Its time we get rid of the left right bullshit because ultimately, its going to lead us all to fascism in everything but name.
@@fchicod Not in school, but common sense, and This information is needed if you want to talk about politics. So don't talk if you don't know about the topic.
Communism Fascism Democracy has much in common. Once in control they seek a powerful central agency with the need to outlaw the opposition. Where do we see this today?