Audi SQ5 tested with only one wheel 'grounded'. As it should, Audi's Quattro permanent AWD system prevails on ramp test! Proper explanation and testing.
Graeme Skinner. Your comment just indicates your own stupidity to be honest. I mean it took you the full 4 minutes and 45 seconds to realise it wasn't for you! Not to mention the title or description! Were you not in control of your hand at the moment of clicking on the video.
Here's the point everyone seems to be missing. NONE of this would be an issue if manufacturers used locking or limited slip differentials - front, centre, and rear. The only reason these tests are performed, and competing systems compared to one another is because they are all compromised approaches to AWD. They all use electronically controlled brakes and other systems to mimic the function of side to side and front to rear lock-up when slip is detected. These tests are really a comparison of which system is compromised least. Hence, all of these traction aiding systems designed to mimic the function of proper LSDs will never function as well as proper LSDs. Why don't manufacturers use LSDs you ask? Cost-benefit is the answer. For 99.9% of drivers and driving situations, the electronically controlled, open differential AWD systems are more than adequate. Despite their fancy Audi and BMW nameplates and sophisticated marketing departments, Audi and BMW are run by bean counters. They wouldn't be able to sell you an LSD based system at an additional cost (despite the additional cost to produce), since the additional marginal benefit (given real world scenarios) would likely go completely unnoticed by the average driver. The result? Sell what works most of the time and costs the least to produce and maintain. If I told you that you could buy a car that would meet your traction needs 99.9% of the time, or that you could buy the exact same car and this one would meet your traction needs 100% of the time, but this car is $4000 more expensive... would you pony up the difference? Anyone looking at getting themselves into situations on a frequent basis where only one wheel has traction, should NOT be looking into buying anything from Audi or BMW - rather, should be looking at a G class, Unimog, Jeep with lockers, a Range Rover, pickup with optional lockers, etc.
FisheeC3 I would take this system over a lsd any day though. A lsd only has a certain amount of torque (50ft-lbs for a Dana35 for instance) depending on how much friction is on the clutch plates, and that coefficient degrades over time as well. It IS better than an open diff, but nowhere as good as a viscous coupling diff like a Subaru uses. exactly as you stated, it's a good way to knock some money off the price and tell people they have awd.
Σταυρος Σπανιδης, I agree, subaru 4wd is best because they've been making it for a long, same as toyata been building hybrids, not to say they're perfect, there's always room for improvement.
Van Kham good to se you know your car history😅 quattro came in 1980😉 and do the subaru have locking diffs in the front and back or somting like the quattro edl?
Subaru uses brakes to lock wheels that dont have traction, that way the diferentials are left with no other option than sending power to the wheel that does have traction. Not sure how the system is called. And STI versions get driver operated diferentials - so you can lock it on fly as you require
Also, I am not sure which AWD system is better, whether subarus or audis, I believe that both do very well and defo are both the leaders in their AWD systems.
oh my god nobody needs those artificial test scencarios, just go drive a quattro on a snowy day once and you'll see it just fucking works...I am sure xDrive does too. The thing I find more appealing about Quattro is that it's a fully mechanical system, but that's just something that makes me 'feel' better while driving, xDrive probably works just as good in terms of traction and hill climbing. But on the other hand, driving expensive cars actually is a lot about emotions and feeling, isn't it?
+Johannes Ebster Kudos to you for being the first "Audi guy" that is not blindfolded and saying anything other than 4 rings sucks. You should receive an award.
Schluempf lein agree. Nice to see neutral comments for a change. I have a 320d Xdrive and would probably have an Audi Quattro if I didn't have my beemer.
EDIT Sorry just saw the date on this so ignore my comment the thread is 5 years old. This test is not an analogy for driving on snow, as all 4 wheels have some traction on snow. Instead it is meant to be an analogy for soft off roading where due to undulations, dips and holes it is very easy to be in a situation where only one wheel has traction. Not all traction controls are equal and some will fail at being able to move the car, sitting there spinning the wheels with no traction but unable to redirect enough power to the one wheel with traction. DCTs (DSG) & CVTs can also have issues in such situations (in the real world more prolonged than this simple test) resulting in either overheating and shutting down or a refusal to allow power through in an attempt to protect themselves. There are a couple of other CZcams channels that have done a lot of similar tests on a variety of SUVs. It is interesting to see the ones that fail completely in being able to move the car or have more trouble than the better systems.
I've had a 2008 A6 Allroad 3,0TDI manual for 5 years - and a week ago bought a 2012 F11 530d xDrive - with an auto box (I don't think they made them with manuals and xDrive in the F10/F11 generation - even RWDs with manual are almost impossible to find with bigger engines (more common with the 4cyl N47)). xDrive is an inferior AWD system - I haven't tested it in critical traction conditions like I've tested the audi - bet quattro really doesn't slip, like - ever - unless you're REALLY stuck. Even crossing tram lines in the winter with snow and slush on the road/tram tracks/cobble stones - and giving it the beans - it just goes, there's no shuffling the power around, the car doesn't skid, there's no adjustment with the steering needed. It's kinda unbelievable and impressive. That said, yesterday in heavy rain doing a 90 degree turn I managed to make the rear wheels start to slip on the bimmer - because xDrive is more RWD oriented, as is BMW in general. Also, xDrive is less economical (nevermind the engine/auto box) and heavier and has more oil-filled assemblies than quattro - but, BMW has much better engine placement and isnt' as nose-heavy as the audi, even with its pretty long straight six. So I guess it's six... well.. of the one - and half a dozen of the other.
BMW showed their xdrive vs. quattro with a ramp similar to this. BMW got up there and audi wasn't able to. This video demonstrates that audi can do it too.
Steven Liu Ok I see, you have no idea how quattro and xdrive works. I didn't know that torque matters if you have no traction at all. Make your research about quattro and xdrive, watch the videos again and maybe your brain is able to find out how both systems work and why the audi wasn't able to climb.
The Q5 range (including the SQ5 shown here) do not use the crown gear center dif like the RS 5. It uses the same torsen center diff the rest of the quattro cars do (not A3, TT, R8). the S4, S5, A8 and S6/7 have the torque vectoring rear diff option but the SQ5 does not.
quattro is one of the worlds best 4wd systems! The xdrive system from BMW and also the 4matic from Mercedes can't reach this level. I'm driving a 30 years old audi 100 (us version 5000) with the inline 5 engine and quattro of course! this car is unstoppable in mud and deep snow
There's a bunch of different systems labeled "quattro". Some of the smaller Audi/VW cars use a Haldex "quattro" system which is garbage. This video is of the full Torsen system.
Unless it's an STi, I think the result would be pretty bad since all the other cars have open front and rear differentials. Plus they don't use torque vectoring which would basically cause the open diff to just spin the wheels without traction.
haven't had the stickiest of sticky situations cuz I avoid them, but I was going up a hill that was just hard dirt (they were about to pave it I guess) and this jackass fly's out one of the roads so I have to come to a stop mid hill, anyway I doubted I'd have traction I so I inched so I my right side wheels touched the curb and it went right up the hill np, it's about a half mile hill too
I concur. The only time I've ever been stuck in my 2015 Forester XT was when I was high centered in deep snow and all four wheels lost traction. A few days later, I got Nokian winter tires and went back to that same spot and got out easily.
Very, very impressive. I have never owned an AWD vehicle since I live in southern California, but I can see myself getting a crossover with this type of traction control in the future. In any case, I really liked this video.
I've had multiple Audi's. I don't care what Subaru, Honda, BMW or any manufacturer says. My Audi's got me home EVERYTIME. My A4's literally plowed the the neighborhood streets weaving in and out of stuck cars. To which they dug their cars into the path I made. I know that Subaru is just as good and maybe BMW is catching up, but I will ALWAYS love my Audi's and have full faith in quattro because it has done things that amaze me.
Dean Viljoen LOL....... You've never owned an Audi and it's obvious by that stupid question. Maybe..... MAYBE...... you will get undesirable understeer AT EXCESSIVE SPEEDS. In normal everyday driving speeds where 90% of Audi's are driven, you will never have this horrible understeer. Ridiculous! LOL. That's such a stupid argument! Audi's architecture has not seemed to be a hindrance in their racing ventures, so maybe you should try again.
It's a 60/40 rear wheel drive torque split so the front wheel drive test is harder than rear wheel drive in that 3 wheeled test. The same result, maybe even and easier one, would occur if they tried it your way.
+Hemen Kareamg My first thought! My father has a Q5 and if fails, when only one rear wheel has traction. My Mitsubishi has S-AWC (with Torque Vectoring), I can manually lock the center diff, front axle has an automatic/electronic diff lock and the rear axle uses brake power to transfer torque to the wheel that has traction. With only one rear wheel having grip the Mitsubishi needs a couple of wheel turns (approx. 15km/h on the speedo) to get going but it will get out of such a situation.
+Billy Boiz The Q5 has a Haldex system with EDL (Electronic Differential Lock) only on the front axle. If you make a test with only one rear wheel having traction the car will not move. We did an unplanned "test" last year in the Austrian mountains with the car in a diagonal situation (left front and right rear in the air) and it was stuck. Put weight on the front and got it moving. Maybe turning off ESP would have helped, too.
+Billy Boiz Does it have a different drive train? The S usually has more power and better suspension. The original "BMW X-Drive" video was using a regular Q5.
My Jeep was equipped to do this same ability all the way back in 2002. Has the ability to distribute torque to an individual tire to maintain traction.
+Rasmus Hämäläinen all cars rust, either take preventative measures or upgrade every 3 years, you drive a new audi out from the dealership and immediately have issues
TheStuntdude12 by definition aluminum doesn't "rust" -meaning iron oxide. but aluminum also corrodes! especially when you combine difference metals, like on a car.
Can someone explain how BMW rigged the other test? Why would switching off ESP keep the Torsen center diff form sending power to both axles? Torsen is purely mechanical, no electronics. If the front wheels spin, the rear axle gets power. With ESP off at least one rear wheel will turn. It did not do that in the BMW video. Why not?
the front to back split is not the problem...as you said it yourself, the center torsen will split front to back just fine...where the esp comes into play is on the side-to-side split, because the front/rear diffs are open and need esp engagement in order to split side to side...thats what BMW did...and to be fair, thats what Audi did as well...there is also an Audi video where they do the same to beemer..
Pe Peroni they dident give the quattro enugh power to make the tourq trancefer to the diffrent axels😉 bmw does not have a thorsen senter diff so its not tourqe controlled but electric so go to wiki and read about it😉
I have to add a reply: After "researching" a lot on the internet I have learned that the BMW ramp was much steeper and that Torsen indeed does NOT send torque to the other axle if both wheels on one axle have almost no grip at all (wet ice or rollers).So disabling ESP will indeed make Quattro fail in such a test. However my Mitsubishi will make it with ESP on or off, as the center differential is electronically activated (not controlled by ESP or ASC as Mitsu calls it) and can be locked manually for full 4WD mode.
The quattro system that audi uses for over a decade now is Haldex not Torsen. Haldex is a Swedish system and has been in Quattro Audis since quattro gen 2 (Audi S3 2001, Audi TT, Volkswagen Golf R32, among others). Only older audis, use Torsen
I have a 16 year old Audi a4 Quattro. Cosmetically not great anymore, 16 years of salt and grocery bags will do something to the paint job. But the suspension, brake system, steering, gearbox, engine is all as if it was new. Fantastic car to drive. Dont bash Audi.
Audi needs to do this to prove it self. This is fake propaganda. I have owned Audis and Bmws and both systems are just as good. Just remember one thing most cheaper audis use haldex systems.
Antonio Talarico you dont know shit! som quattro system like the a3 and tt have haldex but a4 and a6 and most other real quattro systems have thorsen diff so you dont realy know what you are tallking about😅
The A3 and the TT use Haldex. The Q7 uses something else. The rest use Torsen. The difference between xdrive and Quattro is pretty negligible. But BMW made a video trying to make the Audi look bad, and this is a video proving that it's false.
in deep snow - you actually need to turn the ESP off... the tires need to spin. I just did that today actually in our A5... Was plowed in but able to move out without shoveling after 2-3 minutes... Would have gotten out faster - but the A5 sits low to the ground. On ice though - you do need the traction control/ESP on...
Rick Reid In the past I would always change which big German luxury car maker was my favorite between Merc, BMW, and Audi. First it was BMW, then Merc, then Audi, then back to BMW. Then I drove an Audi.... all I can say is "wow." I haven't been able to go back since. I driven the other two, but no car I've driven compares to the Audi. (In my opinion.) It's even worse when I have to drive most regular American made cars. I almost feel bad for other people when they don't have an Audi, because they just drive so nice. I know they might like theirs better, but I hope I'll never have to change back from an Audi. - Message from an owner of a B7 Audi A4.
most times turning off the DSC/STABILITY CONTROL will over ride the throttle cutoff and stop denying wheel spin, which translates to the car moving off the slick patch. my 2005 HONDA CR-V is a great example of this...I got a hard fuel cut when wheel spin is detected....which can be negated and pushed past if the DSC is turned off, it will torque split more aggressively
Nice showcase. Would have been even nicer if they put some sensors in the differential and shown the actual mechanism making it's descission on a screen, including the ABS difflock of the front axle.
This is why you should never take anything at face value in the world of marketing... Audi and Subaru have amazing AWD systems my family had a subaru and our rav 4 even with 4wd lock it was no where near as confidence inspiring with winter tires it is a beast but still Subaru wins I will stick with Audi personally just because I enjoy what Audi offers.
They did use an SQ5, the X3 doesn't have any engine in it's range that provides similar torque. This Audi might have cleared the test just because of it's enormous torque. A regular 2liter engine Q5 probably would have failed or they would have done the test in a vehicle most people are likely to own.
Just thinking out loud but do all things need promotion and solicitation? Even if it is to industry professionals or special interest groups? Some people may find it hard to say no after the free airplane ticket or free buffet meal or whatever/ And does the pressure selling approach actually still work? Must to some degree at least right
no, it doesn't. It sends power to both axles all the time, but wheel power is slightly delayed, left to right depending on traction. Equal length axles, means almost instant power switching left to right. But probably the best cheap AWD on the planet is inside subarus.
Thank you for making this vid. When people think of all wheel drive they think of Audi. When people think of BMW they think of immaturity drifting in circles. Look at what BMW is doing now by adding awd to their performance cars, as is Mercedes and they are both doing that because they are losing sales to Audi.
Of course this gentleman knows his work - and I'm not saying he's providing wrong information - but I don't think that "torque is being SENT anywhere". I have a 2008 A6 Allroad 3.0TDI manual - which is ABOUT the same generation of quattro as this Q5 (or SQ5 in this case) - and on my car, there's a centre self-locking torsen differential - as is on all quattros I think (except on those with transverse engine - which aren't really quattros). I've been stuck in the mud going uphill several times - and what the car does - is it initially slips and struggles - but when you keep the gas on, after some seconds it simply drives out of any mud (provided it's not high-centered) - because the torsen self-locks, I think. That moment is usually pretty surprising - huh, so you still did this, audi. Correct me if I'm wrong - but I think there's nothing specifically being "sent" anywhere - just the Torsen doing its job.
Audi calls it self locking center differential but torsen never locks. It may remain "tight" up to its TBR and that's it. What you feel after few seconds is EDL intervention, which helps in situations when TBR is exceeded.
Nate C can't beat audi... impossible it's so smooth and seamless coupled with that exquisite transmission it's superb I've driven... and you will not know what im talking about until you drive an awd audi
Speaking from a reliability perspective, Audi FTW. Why would anybody want an electronic active diff BMW/Acura in a truck? there are plenty of Audi's running around with 100's of thousands of miles on them and the AWD stuff is rarely the problem. Be glad you have choices! I'm sticking with what has been proven for my hard earned $ and getting stuck in an Audi lol plz go drive one.
Don't really know why , maybe because exterior desigh of BMW and Honda were more cooler while Audi use very conventional design that comfortable and look nice while BMW and Honda change their exterior design in all new design cars . but i could say the FAN mean Fanboy kind off like Porsche fan or BMW fan like my girlfriends she's loved BMW soo much i don't really know why even i'm force her to explaining it it's still muddy mythty not really clear answers . I personally not kind of Audi fan but Aston Martin fan very fan i could say but i'm trust Audi more than Porsche and BMW because of it Quattro system , it's just that BMW Mercedes and Audi is very reliable anyway and it's very safe to but i can't really determine but as i say I trust Quattro .
people seem to not appreciate this test but i recommend you to watch a video of JDM 4wd and how that thing standard fail everytime front wheels lose grip, in other cases is when the rear wheels lose grip, front wheels just cant do nothing.
Not for torque vectoring, not really. Depending on the Subaru model, from what I've been able to find, some of them use a viscous plate (presumably clutch pack) center differential and then uses brake torque vectoring which means that it is like 90%+ IDENTICAL to this system (the difference being I'm not sure if the center diff in the Subarus have crown/ring gears.) But otherwise, they're (effectively) identical.
I can see that the Audi Quattro made the climb but i just watched another clip of a BMW, Mercedes Benz and Audi Qauttro on a level surface with roller under 3 wheels and it could not get out.
Torsen is the best in real world, being a proactive system (virtually no lag). All others (haldex, xdrive) are reactive systems (not permanent 4x4 unless slip is detected or predicted).
They probably turned off stability control so the ABS brakes didn't intervene (EDL stuff he describes at end). Also, those other videos highlighted previous versions of Quattro that aren't self-locking and thus would need the ABS system to intervene.
I dont believe the SQ5 has the crown gear center differential. Quattro permanent AWD with torque vectoring is all i can find online. Besides its the EDL system that's doing most of the work. In most of the pro BMW videos it seems this system is disabled or they electorate beyond its operating speed of 50mph so it will not engage. This video at the very least doesn't try to fling mud in anyone's face.
You have a nice ride, but I think Mercs has to compete with Audi and Bmw, not Jeep JKs or Defenders, which are intended for continuos 4x4 use. I know nowadays SUVs are equipped with the most sophisticated traction systems however, a real 4x4 also has to offer ground clearance, articulation and toughness, good tires too. My AWD CX5 just got the tire blowout and rim bent when I passed a lane delineator at 35mph, I wonder what can happen if I try to cross a creek with it.
drewditty. Your comment just shows how uneducated you are on the topic of the system being demonstrated. I'd suggest watching more videos like this so you understand the purpose of this system and what it's designed for.
drewditty. First... I'm going to assume the ( when I learn how to read ) part was just intended as an insult, otherwise another uneducated part to your comment. Secondly... This tests soul purpose is to show the viewer what the car is doing in these scenarios! It's pretty tricky to showcase this technology at 80mph, (yes sarcasm) and last but not least... if you were smart enough you would realise that this is what the cars computers and drivetrain does at any speed, like i said before this setup is purely for demonstration purposes.
drewditty. It's Hillary btw, (if you learnt how to read) you'd of see that mistake! Sorry couldn't help myself. I've already read parts of the link! If I'm honest I don't understand the reasoning behind sending me that link, what are you actually trying to point out?
"Create momentum to get the clutch pack to engage" well there's your problem. You don't need that in the BMW xDrive, because it understands it IMMEDIATLY without the driver having to wait for that long. Why wait, when you can already be on your way ;)
''without the driver having to wait that long'' that was literary 1.5 seconds rofl, what a wait... The idea is that the BMW dealership resorts to lame trickery to promote their products, Audi Quattro needs no marketing, their race cars have won dozens of championships with it, something that Xdrive has never done.
Manakuski Quattro existed since 1980,has been used by millions of Europeans and others,they are trusted for their safety and power. Do not tell me 1 second is a lot, regardless when testing in the real world by amateurs Audi and Subaru will always have the best AWD.
1 second can be the difference between life and death in traffic. Quattro is good, xDrive is just better on roads. Simple as that. I've driven both, many cars and that's my opinion based on driving multiple Quattro audis (Torsen, not haldex) and multiple xDrive BMW:s. Your opinion may differ, but that's your opinion then.
Intrepid Milotic Quattro is just a marketing terminus. the system now has nothing to do with the 80ies technology. no more torsion diff, just electronics and haldex clutch. more like VW.
I am a Audi sq5 owner. I can say Quattro can't do anything when there is a lot of snow. I have been stuck in the snow a lot of time and i am very disappointed. But other than that. I like my SQ5
Can someone link the video in question, because I saw a video where a BMW and an Audi were both able to go up the ramp. The BMW was quicker but marginally and that could have had to do with the driver’s input. Both systems are quite capable of pulling off this same feat. I can’t imagine a Quattro Audi not being able to get out.
For interested parties, the speaker in this video refers to "the lady in the video." The video he's referring to is this one, czcams.com/video/YGquRCM674Q/video.html which was staged to show Audi NOT as it behaves in the real world (i.e., turn traction control off, and let off the accelerator just as soon as you feel quattro kick in). If you look at the other video and don't know how its creators are misleading you, you might come away with the impression that Audi's system isn't any good.
Let's check the facts here. Consumer Reports, an unbiased authority on vehicle reliability, ranks Subaru #5 on vehicle reliability. Audi ranked #8. FYI: 7 of the top 10 most reliable car brands are Japanese.
So if I understand correctly, BMW did this with no wheel-spin at all, while Audi wheels were spinning for a good 2-3 seconds which is more than enough time to dig a hole in mud and get stuck.
Good for them! Shame they didn't throw an X3 or GLK on there to make it a legitimate comparison video. All they did was show that the Audi can do that, making zero attempt to show whether it's actually superior to the competition.
+kingmike40 it wouldn't lock the central diff, power would still be sent 40/60 (front/rear), but the electronics would brake the spinning wheels up, so that the power would go to the ones with the traction. Hence, it's easier to have 2 wheels with traction than 1 wheel, as they have shown (sending 85% of power to the right front wheel).
IF you understand Quattro on low traction side will spin with less torque and side with high traction will have more torque with spinning at low traction side make Quattro still go straight line . it very hard to imagine because it Quattro using brake as it system too but it's very supreme all wheel drive .
Its not... from A4 Up the Line they use Trosendifs. The smaller ones like A3 use Haldex thats true... But guess what... The X-Drive System from BMW uses Haldex as well :)
I've owned several audi's (b5 s4 avant stg3, and a couple of b6 A4's) before, and to be honest that's why they came with electronically locking different back in the day, the Torsen diffs on it act like open diffs once the wheels are up in the air (something that most car manufactures have "fixed" by the use of electronics assistance and using the braking module). If your main concern is getting you there on an off-road path just get a solid axle locking diff vehicle of your choice, from what I experienced audis are only great for snow and busting your knuckles and wallet when something breaks. And trust me, it will break.
+Hollyweed For offroading the fastest tractor in the world an 03 Rubicon on 35"s factory locking d44 diffs and liftted, I daily a 99 BMW Z3 coupe, dirt cheap to maintain honestly, and you can do most maintainance on it if you can turn a wrench.
+Hollyweed and to suggest that's very hard since your needs may vary from mines, I usually go for the more mechanical analog car than the tech dependent one, why because electronics usually have a shorter life cycle, complexity and increased expense.
No, the traction control systems in plenty of vehicles doesn't cut it and cannot brake strong enough to move the entire vehicle with only one wheel of traction. Audi will do it, Subaru will do it, probably mitsubishi will do it, but an AWD GM, Ford, Toyota, nope.
It blows me away how many people here have no fucking idea how traction control works. You can do the exact same thing in any AWD or 4wd vehicle these days.
i think i know which video you are talking about. i read that it was a bmw-xdrive-promo and they might have turned off the ESP on the audi there. i dont know if thats correct or even if ESP has something to to with quattro not working in this particular video
i am pretty sure that my 12yr old AWD grand cherokee could do that with no problem. ive had an awd explorer and a subaru outback and the traction in the jeep is better by leaps and bounds
Uhh... and I'm pretty sure your Cherokee can't. You need to do more research and quit watching "opinion based" videos. This video is a good video that demo Audi's capability despite the dumb title. Subaru has this capability decades before Audi though.
I'm honestly impressed how in 1:30 this gentleman would help to stop the car by holding the door handle. Never underestimated strength of a human! :D
if door is opened while at low speed the handbrake will trigger automatically if door is opened. Same was on my Golf7 same is on my TT
Well that's 4mins 45 seconds of my life I am never getting back.
Graeme Skinner. Your comment just indicates your own stupidity to be honest. I mean it took you the full 4 minutes and 45 seconds to realise it wasn't for you! Not to mention the title or description! Were you not in control of your hand at the moment of clicking on the video.
NASA 1 😂😂 i love CZcams comments
Thank god Audi’s AWD system is like this it’s perfect for my driveway that has rollers that perfectly align with my wheels
but engine shit, eat oil
*designs driveway that can only be accessed by the best of all wheel drive vehicles*
Very useful at Walmart 's car park.
UserName Useful for places wheres too much snow
3:00 this is Sparta!!!
Here's the point everyone seems to be missing.
NONE of this would be an issue if manufacturers used locking or limited slip differentials - front, centre, and rear.
The only reason these tests are performed, and competing systems compared to one another is because they are all compromised approaches to AWD. They all use electronically controlled brakes and other systems to mimic the function of side to side and front to rear lock-up when slip is detected. These tests are really a comparison of which system is compromised least.
Hence, all of these traction aiding systems designed to mimic the function of proper LSDs will never function as well as proper LSDs.
Why don't manufacturers use LSDs you ask? Cost-benefit is the answer.
For 99.9% of drivers and driving situations, the electronically controlled, open differential AWD systems are more than adequate.
Despite their fancy Audi and BMW nameplates and sophisticated marketing departments, Audi and BMW are run by bean counters. They wouldn't be able to sell you an LSD based system at an additional cost (despite the additional cost to produce), since the additional marginal benefit (given real world scenarios) would likely go completely unnoticed by the average driver. The result? Sell what works most of the time and costs the least to produce and maintain.
If I told you that you could buy a car that would meet your traction needs 99.9% of the time, or that you could buy the exact same car and this one would meet your traction needs 100% of the time, but this car is $4000 more expensive... would you pony up the difference?
Anyone looking at getting themselves into situations on a frequent basis where only one wheel has traction, should NOT be looking into buying anything from Audi or BMW - rather, should be looking at a G class, Unimog, Jeep with lockers, a Range Rover, pickup with optional lockers, etc.
FisheeC3 range rover provides comfort aswell
B.Eduardo Yep, or several types of pickups out there.
FisheeC3 Toyota is very good
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FisheeC3 I would take this system over a lsd any day though. A lsd only has a certain amount of torque (50ft-lbs for a Dana35 for instance) depending on how much friction is on the clutch plates, and that coefficient degrades over time as well. It IS better than an open diff, but nowhere as good as a viscous coupling diff like a Subaru uses. exactly as you stated, it's a good way to knock some money off the price and tell people they have awd.
SUBARU with winter tires all the way, but i do love inside of AUDI.
Van Kham true! Subarus are the best for snow situations
Σταυρος Σπανιδης, I agree, subaru 4wd is best because they've been making it for a long, same as toyata been building hybrids, not to say they're perfect, there's always room for improvement.
Van Kham good to se you know your car history😅 quattro came in 1980😉 and do the subaru have locking diffs in the front and back or somting like the quattro edl?
Subaru uses brakes to lock wheels that dont have traction, that way the diferentials are left with no other option than sending power to the wheel that does have traction. Not sure how the system is called. And STI versions get driver operated diferentials - so you can lock it on fly as you require
Also, I am not sure which AWD system is better, whether subarus or audis, I believe that both do very well and defo are both the leaders in their AWD systems.
oh my god nobody needs those artificial test scencarios, just go drive a quattro on a snowy day once and you'll see it just fucking works...I am sure xDrive does too. The thing I find more appealing about Quattro is that it's a fully mechanical system, but that's just something that makes me 'feel' better while driving, xDrive probably works just as good in terms of traction and hill climbing. But on the other hand, driving expensive cars actually is a lot about emotions and feeling, isn't it?
+Johannes Ebster Kudos to you for being the first "Audi guy" that is not blindfolded and saying anything other than 4 rings sucks. You should receive an award.
Schluempf lein agree. Nice to see neutral comments for a change. I have a 320d Xdrive and would probably have an Audi Quattro if I didn't have my beemer.
EDIT Sorry just saw the date on this so ignore my comment the thread is 5 years old.
This test is not an analogy for driving on snow, as all 4 wheels have some traction on snow. Instead it is meant to be an analogy for soft off roading where due to undulations, dips and holes it is very easy to be in a situation where only one wheel has traction. Not all traction controls are equal and some will fail at being able to move the car, sitting there spinning the wheels with no traction but unable to redirect enough power to the one wheel with traction. DCTs (DSG) & CVTs can also have issues in such situations (in the real world more prolonged than this simple test) resulting in either overheating and shutting down or a refusal to allow power through in an attempt to protect themselves.
There are a couple of other CZcams channels that have done a lot of similar tests on a variety of SUVs. It is interesting to see the ones that fail completely in being able to move the car or have more trouble than the better systems.
Nice of you to think that xdrive can climb hills it cant
I've had a 2008 A6 Allroad 3,0TDI manual for 5 years - and a week ago bought a 2012 F11 530d xDrive - with an auto box (I don't think they made them with manuals and xDrive in the F10/F11 generation - even RWDs with manual are almost impossible to find with bigger engines (more common with the 4cyl N47)). xDrive is an inferior AWD system - I haven't tested it in critical traction conditions like I've tested the audi - bet quattro really doesn't slip, like - ever - unless you're REALLY stuck. Even crossing tram lines in the winter with snow and slush on the road/tram tracks/cobble stones - and giving it the beans - it just goes, there's no shuffling the power around, the car doesn't skid, there's no adjustment with the steering needed. It's kinda unbelievable and impressive. That said, yesterday in heavy rain doing a 90 degree turn I managed to make the rear wheels start to slip on the bimmer - because xDrive is more RWD oriented, as is BMW in general. Also, xDrive is less economical (nevermind the engine/auto box) and heavier and has more oil-filled assemblies than quattro - but, BMW has much better engine placement and isnt' as nose-heavy as the audi, even with its pretty long straight six. So I guess it's six... well.. of the one - and half a dozen of the other.
I see the well placed missing rollers in the back wheels to keep it at a point where rocking it will catch the front traction.
....or so the car has to work more to get out of a divet
there was no traction because it was air in the gap the roller in the front is a roller a lot more difficult to move off of
I've never been in a situation where I needed that type of technology and I've been driving for 20 years.
You obviously do not live in Norway.. This is my 4 months of winter..
so wtf has been busted here?
The myth that you need ar car like that to go to Safeway
Gabriel Neculaica Another video where a competitor sneakily demonstrated that the audi could not get up a similar ramp, but their car could.
BMW showed their xdrive vs. quattro with a ramp similar to this. BMW got up there and audi wasn't able to. This video demonstrates that audi can do it too.
With an SQ5, a lower ramp and full throttle .... audi demonstrated that a 2.0 liter BMW is actually more efficient than an V6 audi diesel . Clap clap
Steven Liu Ok I see, you have no idea how quattro and xdrive works. I didn't know that torque matters if you have no traction at all. Make your research about quattro and xdrive, watch the videos again and maybe your brain is able to find out how both systems work and why the audi wasn't able to climb.
The Q5 range (including the SQ5 shown here) do not use the crown gear center dif like the RS 5. It uses the same torsen center diff the rest of the quattro cars do (not A3, TT, R8). the S4, S5, A8 and S6/7 have the torque vectoring rear diff option but the SQ5 does not.
quattro is one of the worlds best 4wd systems! The xdrive system from BMW and also the 4matic from Mercedes can't reach this level. I'm driving a 30 years old audi 100 (us version 5000) with the inline 5 engine and quattro of course! this car is unstoppable in mud and deep snow
There's a bunch of different systems labeled "quattro". Some of the smaller Audi/VW cars use a Haldex "quattro" system which is garbage. This video is of the full Torsen system.
That's correct! The Haldex-system is complete shit because it is not 100% mechanic
How does this compare to Acura's "SH-AWD" system? I heard it's just as good. Comment?
They should do the subaru test on this and then we'll see how good it really is.
Unless it's an STi, I think the result would be pretty bad since all the other cars have open front and rear differentials. Plus they don't use torque vectoring which would basically cause the open diff to just spin the wheels without traction.
+skyline2962
Even open diff models have VDC, X-Mode, etc. They can generally pull themselves up a ramp like that with one tire getting traction.
haven't had the stickiest of sticky situations cuz I avoid them, but I was going up a hill that was just hard dirt (they were about to pave it I guess) and this jackass fly's out one of the roads so I have to come to a stop mid hill, anyway I doubted I'd have traction I so I inched so I my right side wheels touched the curb and it went right up the hill np, it's about a half mile hill too
Add a CVT and it gets even worse. I own one, I know.
subaru and audi are both pretty good
Great job Audi! After owning BMW, Mercedes, Volvo, Lexus, and Audi, Audi has been the most able in snow, water, and slush no questions asked.
Jojo jordan that's because you haven't experienced Acura shawd mdx!!:)
Agreed I thought 4 magic was good but Quattro blows away the rest besides subaru
Subaru👏👏
I concur. The only time I've ever been stuck in my 2015 Forester XT was when I was high centered in deep snow and all four wheels lost traction. A few days later, I got Nokian winter tires and went back to that same spot and got out easily.
Very, very impressive. I have never owned an AWD vehicle since I live in southern California, but I can see myself getting a crossover with this type of traction control in the future. In any case, I really liked this video.
I really thought he was going to run off the end on that last run! :-o
I've had multiple Audi's. I don't care what Subaru, Honda, BMW or any manufacturer says. My Audi's got me home EVERYTIME. My A4's literally plowed the the neighborhood streets weaving in and out of stuck cars. To which they dug their cars into the path I made. I know that Subaru is just as good and maybe BMW is catching up, but I will ALWAYS love my Audi's and have full faith in quattro because it has done things that amaze me.
Dean Viljoen LOL....... You've never owned an Audi and it's obvious by that stupid question. Maybe..... MAYBE...... you will get undesirable understeer AT EXCESSIVE SPEEDS. In normal everyday driving speeds where 90% of Audi's are driven, you will never have this horrible understeer. Ridiculous! LOL. That's such a stupid argument!
Audi's architecture has not seemed to be a hindrance in their racing ventures, so maybe you should try again.
anyone noticed that the slope was much higher on the original video and way smaller on all the busting videos?
you didnt test the single rear wheel
It's a 60/40 rear wheel drive torque split so the front wheel drive test is harder than rear wheel drive in that 3 wheeled test. The same result, maybe even and easier one, would occur if they tried it your way.
+Hemen Kareamg My first thought! My father has a Q5 and if fails, when only one rear wheel has traction. My Mitsubishi has S-AWC (with Torque Vectoring), I can manually lock the center diff, front axle has an automatic/electronic diff lock and the rear axle uses brake power to transfer torque to the wheel that has traction. With only one rear wheel having grip the Mitsubishi needs a couple of wheel turns (approx. 15km/h on the speedo) to get going but it will get out of such a situation.
+Billy Boiz The Q5 has a Haldex system with EDL (Electronic Differential Lock) only on the front axle. If you make a test with only one rear wheel having traction the car will not move. We did an unplanned "test" last year in the Austrian mountains with the car in a diagonal situation (left front and right rear in the air) and it was stuck. Put weight on the front and got it moving. Maybe turning off ESP would have helped, too.
+hossguitar This is the SQ5
+Billy Boiz Does it have a different drive train? The S usually has more power and better suspension. The original "BMW X-Drive" video was using a regular Q5.
My Jeep was equipped to do this same ability all the way back in 2002. Has the ability to distribute torque to an individual tire to maintain traction.
subaru and audi are ahead of the pack in regards to awd but subaru beats audi in terms of reliability
Because Subaru makes the greatest cars in the world.
in there finland the subarus are full of rust.. salt dont make them a good..
+Rasmus Hämäläinen all cars rust, either take preventative measures or upgrade every 3 years, you drive a new audi out from the dealership and immediately have issues
kaeros fentis Don't think aluminium rusts
TheStuntdude12 by definition aluminum doesn't "rust" -meaning iron oxide. but aluminum also corrodes! especially when you combine difference metals, like on a car.
This SQ5 looks gorgeous..
That last demo was Cool! I always thought that xDrive video was biased. This video lays the reality right out there to see.
Classy video. Notice that Audi simply promoted their system here and didn't try to prove BullS against other brands through manipulative tactics.
Can someone explain how BMW rigged the other test? Why would switching off ESP keep the Torsen center diff form sending power to both axles? Torsen is purely mechanical, no electronics. If the front wheels spin, the rear axle gets power. With ESP off at least one rear wheel will turn. It did not do that in the BMW video. Why not?
the front to back split is not the problem...as you said it yourself, the center torsen will split front to back just fine...where the esp comes into play is on the side-to-side split, because the front/rear diffs are open and need esp engagement in order to split side to side...thats what BMW did...and to be fair, thats what Audi did as well...there is also an Audi video where they do the same to beemer..
Pe Peroni they dident give the quattro enugh power to make the tourq trancefer to the diffrent axels😉 bmw does not have a thorsen senter diff so its not tourqe controlled but electric so go to wiki and read about it😉
emil Refsnes
first learn how to spell, then try again...and btw, dont believe everything you read in wiki ;-)
I have to add a reply: After "researching" a lot on the internet I have learned that the BMW ramp was much steeper and that Torsen indeed does NOT send torque to the other axle if both wheels on one axle have almost no grip at all (wet ice or rollers).So disabling ESP will indeed make Quattro fail in such a test. However my Mitsubishi will make it with ESP on or off, as the center differential is electronically activated (not controlled by ESP or ASC as Mitsu calls it) and can be locked manually for full 4WD mode.
The quattro system that audi uses for over a decade now is Haldex not Torsen. Haldex is a Swedish system and has been in Quattro Audis since quattro gen 2 (Audi S3 2001, Audi TT, Volkswagen Golf R32, among others). Only older audis, use Torsen
EDL - English Defence League, how will they help?
douch in red jacket feels important
I have a 16 year old Audi a4 Quattro.
Cosmetically not great anymore, 16 years of salt and grocery bags will do something to the paint job.
But the suspension, brake system, steering, gearbox, engine is all as if it was new. Fantastic car to drive.
Dont bash Audi.
Audi needs to do this to prove it self. This is fake propaganda. I have owned Audis and Bmws and both systems are just as good. Just remember one thing most cheaper audis use haldex systems.
Antonio Talarico you dont know shit! som quattro system like the a3 and tt have haldex but a4 and a6 and most other real quattro systems have thorsen diff so you dont realy know what you are tallking about😅
I said cheaper
emil Refsnes
Thanks
Haldex is like FAKE 4x4 😂😂😂
The A3 and the TT use Haldex. The Q7 uses something else. The rest use Torsen. The difference between xdrive and Quattro is pretty negligible. But BMW made a video trying to make the Audi look bad, and this is a video proving that it's false.
Why is it so amazing to move the car with an open front differential and electronic brakes?
Hold my beer and let me bring my forester
in deep snow - you actually need to turn the ESP off... the tires need to spin. I just did that today actually in our A5... Was plowed in but able to move out without shoveling after 2-3 minutes... Would have gotten out faster - but the A5 sits low to the ground. On ice though - you do need the traction control/ESP on...
The test looked good to me. If I hade the money I would buy one.
Rick Reid 91' Mitsubishi does that job for quite less the money xD
Rick Reid Lol. This things are a waste of money
Rick Reid In the past I would always change which big German luxury car maker was my favorite between Merc, BMW, and Audi. First it was BMW, then Merc, then Audi, then back to BMW. Then I drove an Audi.... all I can say is "wow." I haven't been able to go back since. I driven the other two, but no car I've driven compares to the Audi. (In my opinion.) It's even worse when I have to drive most regular American made cars. I almost feel bad for other people when they don't have an Audi, because they just drive so nice. I know they might like theirs better, but I hope I'll never have to change back from an Audi. - Message from an owner of a B7 Audi A4.
most times turning off the DSC/STABILITY CONTROL will over ride the throttle cutoff and stop denying wheel spin, which translates to the car moving off the slick patch. my 2005 HONDA CR-V is a great example of this...I got a hard fuel cut when wheel spin is detected....which can be negated and pushed past if the DSC is turned off, it will torque split more aggressively
Well done, quattro!!!
Nice showcase. Would have been even nicer if they put some sensors in the differential and shown the actual mechanism making it's descission on a screen, including the ABS difflock of the front axle.
This is why you should never take anything at face value in the world of marketing... Audi and Subaru have amazing AWD systems my family had a subaru and our rav 4 even with 4wd lock it was no where near as confidence inspiring with winter tires it is a beast but still Subaru wins I will stick with Audi personally just because I enjoy what Audi offers.
not a big audi fan although i really liked the old ones which was ahead of their time in terms of design and innovation
i just watch both videos, your video does not have the same angle of assent which is a different test... in my opinion a lot easier for the vehicle.
They did use an SQ5, the X3 doesn't have any engine in it's range that provides similar torque.
This Audi might have cleared the test just because of it's enormous torque. A regular 2liter engine Q5 probably would have failed or they would have done the test in a vehicle most people are likely to own.
Zachary Strain yeah which i find stupid cause yhe x3 cant compete with the sq5 thats why this vid is a write off
Just thinking out loud but do all things need promotion and solicitation? Even if it is to industry professionals or special interest groups? Some people may find it hard to say no after the free airplane ticket or free buffet meal or whatever/ And does the pressure selling approach actually still work? Must to some degree at least right
no, it doesn't. It sends power to both axles all the time, but wheel power is slightly delayed, left to right depending on traction. Equal length axles, means almost instant power switching left to right. But probably the best cheap AWD on the planet is inside subarus.
Thank you for making this vid. When people think of all wheel drive they think of Audi. When people think of BMW they think of immaturity drifting in circles. Look at what BMW is doing now by adding awd to their performance cars, as is Mercedes and they are both doing that because they are losing sales to Audi.
Of course this gentleman knows his work - and I'm not saying he's providing wrong information - but I don't think that "torque is being SENT anywhere". I have a 2008 A6 Allroad 3.0TDI manual - which is ABOUT the same generation of quattro as this Q5 (or SQ5 in this case) - and on my car, there's a centre self-locking torsen differential - as is on all quattros I think (except on those with transverse engine - which aren't really quattros). I've been stuck in the mud going uphill several times - and what the car does - is it initially slips and struggles - but when you keep the gas on, after some seconds it simply drives out of any mud (provided it's not high-centered) - because the torsen self-locks, I think. That moment is usually pretty surprising - huh, so you still did this, audi. Correct me if I'm wrong - but I think there's nothing specifically being "sent" anywhere - just the Torsen doing its job.
Audi calls it self locking center differential but torsen never locks. It may remain "tight" up to its TBR and that's it. What you feel after few seconds is EDL intervention, which helps in situations when TBR is exceeded.
We all know Subaru has the best AWD system.
Nate C can't beat audi... impossible it's so smooth and seamless coupled with that exquisite transmission it's superb I've driven... and you will not know what im talking about until you drive an awd audi
I am happy with my 2016 Forester XT.
Nate C beautiful car man
actually jeep does Quadra drive 2
Mitsubishi??
Not busted, still has exact same problem, lack of a Torsion.
Speaking from a reliability perspective, Audi FTW. Why would anybody want an electronic active diff BMW/Acura in a truck? there are plenty of Audi's running around with 100's of thousands of miles on them and the AWD stuff is rarely the problem. Be glad you have choices! I'm sticking with what has been proven for my hard earned $ and getting stuck in an Audi lol plz go drive one.
+Mimsk Who wants On-Demand AWD on Hondas
That's the question.
Don't really know why , maybe because exterior desigh of BMW and Honda were more cooler while Audi use very conventional design that comfortable and look nice while BMW and Honda change their exterior design in all new design cars .
but i could say the FAN mean Fanboy kind off like Porsche fan or BMW fan like my girlfriends she's loved BMW soo much i don't really know why even i'm force her to explaining it it's still muddy mythty not really clear answers .
I personally not kind of Audi fan but Aston Martin fan very fan i could say but i'm trust Audi more than Porsche and BMW because of it Quattro system , it's just that BMW Mercedes and Audi is very reliable anyway and it's very safe to but i can't really determine but as i say I trust Quattro .
my 99 a4 and 230000 miles has a coolant leak oil"valve cover gasket" leak and a loud exhaust but the torsen awd is amazing.
people seem to not appreciate this test but i recommend you to watch a video of JDM 4wd and how that thing standard fail everytime front wheels lose grip, in other cases is when the rear wheels lose grip, front wheels just cant do nothing.
Not for torque vectoring, not really. Depending on the Subaru model, from what I've been able to find, some of them use a viscous plate (presumably clutch pack) center differential and then uses brake torque vectoring which means that it is like 90%+ IDENTICAL to this system (the difference being I'm not sure if the center diff in the Subarus have crown/ring gears.) But otherwise, they're (effectively) identical.
I can see that the Audi Quattro made the climb but i just watched another clip of a BMW, Mercedes Benz and Audi Qauttro on a level surface with roller under 3 wheels and it could not get out.
Torsen is the best in real world, being a proactive system (virtually no lag). All others (haldex, xdrive) are reactive systems (not permanent 4x4 unless slip is detected or predicted).
I have a 97 M3, it's a TANK, man
I found myself listening more to the geese flying overhead
They probably turned off stability control so the ABS brakes didn't intervene (EDL stuff he describes at end). Also, those other videos highlighted previous versions of Quattro that aren't self-locking and thus would need the ABS system to intervene.
I dont believe the SQ5 has the crown gear center differential. Quattro permanent AWD with torque vectoring is all i can find online. Besides its the EDL system that's doing most of the work. In most of the pro BMW videos it seems this system is disabled or they electorate beyond its operating speed of 50mph so it will not engage. This video at the very least doesn't try to fling mud in anyone's face.
You have a nice ride, but I think Mercs has to compete with Audi and Bmw, not Jeep JKs or Defenders, which are intended for continuos 4x4 use. I know nowadays SUVs are equipped with the most sophisticated traction systems however, a real 4x4 also has to offer ground clearance, articulation and toughness, good tires too. My AWD CX5 just got the tire blowout and rim bent when I passed a lane delineator at 35mph, I wonder what can happen if I try to cross a creek with it.
can we see this test at real world speeds? like driving up Eisenhower at 80?
you don't need this at speed, this is to stop you from getting stuck which only happens at low to no speed
drewditty. Your comment just shows how uneducated you are on the topic of the system being demonstrated. I'd suggest watching more videos like this so you understand the purpose of this system and what it's designed for.
drewditty. First... I'm going to assume the ( when I learn how to read ) part was just intended as an insult, otherwise another uneducated part to your comment. Secondly... This tests soul purpose is to show the viewer what the car is doing in these scenarios! It's pretty tricky to showcase this technology at 80mph, (yes sarcasm) and last but not least... if you were smart enough you would realise that this is what the cars computers and drivetrain does at any speed, like i said before this setup is purely for demonstration purposes.
drewditty. So far you're just throwing playground insults at me without trying to defend the fact that my comments are making valid points.
drewditty. It's Hillary btw, (if you learnt how to read) you'd of see that mistake! Sorry couldn't help myself. I've already read parts of the link! If I'm honest I don't understand the reasoning behind sending me that link, what are you actually trying to point out?
Hi,
Best audi quattro test on rollers ever!!
Quattro.. the one and only
Let's see it stop before a crash in those conditions.
"Create momentum to get the clutch pack to engage" well there's your problem. You don't need that in the BMW xDrive, because it understands it IMMEDIATLY without the driver having to wait for that long.
Why wait, when you can already be on your way ;)
''without the driver having to wait that long'' that was literary 1.5 seconds rofl, what a wait... The idea is that the BMW dealership resorts to lame trickery to promote their products, Audi Quattro needs no marketing, their race cars have won dozens of championships with it, something that Xdrive has never done.
Intrepid Milotic in real life, 1,5 seconds is dangerously long.
Manakuski Quattro existed since 1980,has been used by millions of Europeans and others,they are trusted for their safety and power. Do not tell me 1 second is a lot, regardless when testing in the real world by amateurs Audi and Subaru will always have the best AWD.
1 second can be the difference between life and death in traffic. Quattro is good, xDrive is just better on roads. Simple as that. I've driven both, many cars and that's my opinion based on driving multiple Quattro audis (Torsen, not haldex) and multiple xDrive BMW:s. Your opinion may differ, but that's your opinion then.
Intrepid Milotic Quattro is just a marketing terminus. the system now has nothing to do with the 80ies technology. no more torsion diff, just electronics and haldex clutch. more like VW.
I am a Audi sq5 owner. I can say Quattro can't do anything when there is a lot of snow. I have been stuck in the snow a lot of time and i am very disappointed. But other than that. I like my SQ5
Audi has to basically floor the throttle to get up the ramp. Subaru could walk up slowly all day long.
Can someone link the video in question, because I saw a video where a BMW and an Audi were both able to go up the ramp. The BMW was quicker but marginally and that could have had to do with the driver’s input. Both systems are quite capable of pulling off this same feat. I can’t imagine a Quattro Audi not being able to get out.
Watch videos in fucking 40-50 cm of snow quattro is in. you will never find BMW doing the same. end of debate.
For interested parties, the speaker in this video refers to "the lady in the video." The video he's referring to is this one, czcams.com/video/YGquRCM674Q/video.html which was staged to show Audi NOT as it behaves in the real world (i.e., turn traction control off, and let off the accelerator just as soon as you feel quattro kick in). If you look at the other video and don't know how its creators are misleading you, you might come away with the impression that Audi's system isn't any good.
Nice that they can do it to. But if you buy this Q, do they give the instructor with the car for people like the lady in the other video?
Let's check the facts here. Consumer Reports, an unbiased authority on vehicle reliability, ranks Subaru #5 on vehicle reliability. Audi ranked #8.
FYI: 7 of the top 10 most reliable car brands are Japanese.
84 kw Subaru xv do it better....
Subaru learnt this off Audi. Go and search the history evolution of Subaru AWD vs Audi's.
So if I understand correctly, BMW did this with no wheel-spin at all, while Audi wheels were spinning for a good 2-3 seconds which is more than enough time to dig a hole in mud and get stuck.
Good for them! Shame they didn't throw an X3 or GLK on there to make it a legitimate comparison video. All they did was show that the Audi can do that, making zero attempt to show whether it's actually superior to the competition.
Quattro and Xdrive are both good, but they have different settings. Plus Quattro is a mechanical system whereas xdrive uses an electronic system
Now put the rollers on the left side or right side of the car and see what happens. That would test a locking diff.
+kingmike40 it wouldn't lock the central diff, power would still be sent 40/60 (front/rear), but the electronics would brake the spinning wheels up, so that the power would go to the ones with the traction. Hence, it's easier to have 2 wheels with traction than 1 wheel, as they have shown (sending 85% of power to the right front wheel).
IF you understand Quattro on low traction side will spin with less torque and side with high traction will have more torque with spinning at low traction side make Quattro still go straight line .
it very hard to imagine because it Quattro using brake as it system too but it's very supreme all wheel drive .
Its not... from A4 Up the Line they use Trosendifs. The smaller ones like A3 use Haldex thats true... But guess what... The X-Drive System from BMW uses Haldex as well :)
Soccer moms are heavy breathing rn
Anyone else hear the geese and stop caring about what this video was about?
Where is the xDrive busted?😂
Wow. R32 GTRs had this tech in 1989.
Piotr Bieniek and the original Audi Quattro had it in 1980
adriantaylor84 lol so true. Such an idiot. Quattro rally champions.
I've owned several audi's (b5 s4 avant stg3, and a couple of b6 A4's) before, and to be honest that's why they came with electronically locking different back in the day, the Torsen diffs on it act like open diffs once the wheels are up in the air (something that most car manufactures have "fixed" by the use of electronics assistance and using the braking module). If your main concern is getting you there on an off-road path just get a solid axle locking diff vehicle of your choice, from what I experienced audis are only great for snow and busting your knuckles and wallet when something breaks. And trust me, it will break.
Erik de la Cruz what kind of car do you own now? Or what do u suggest to own?
+Hollyweed For offroading the fastest tractor in the world an 03 Rubicon on 35"s factory locking d44 diffs and liftted, I daily a 99 BMW Z3 coupe, dirt cheap to maintain honestly, and you can do most maintainance on it if you can turn a wrench.
+Hollyweed and to suggest that's very hard since your needs may vary from mines, I usually go for the more mechanical analog car than the tech dependent one, why because electronics usually have a shorter life cycle, complexity and increased expense.
Very cool demo
But in the xdrive video, bmw doesn't even spin the wheels to climb the obstacle, and that makes it better anyway...
another medal for grand cherokee
BMW ramp was much steeper than in this video, that is why Quattro couldn't get up there
You are forgetting about Subaru... Symmetrical All Wheel Drive sends power to all wheels ALL the time, on all their models.
No, the traction control systems in plenty of vehicles doesn't cut it and cannot brake strong enough to move the entire vehicle with only one wheel of traction. Audi will do it, Subaru will do it, probably mitsubishi will do it, but an AWD GM, Ford, Toyota, nope.
is that guy the secret service? Why does he have guns?
It blows me away how many people here have no fucking idea how traction control works. You can do the exact same thing in any AWD or 4wd vehicle these days.
It does the job, but I've seen the cheaper Subaru do the same thing with less wheel spin.
Consumer Reports ranked Audi No. 8 in reliability; CR ranked BMW No. 16.
i think i know which video you are talking about. i read that it was a bmw-xdrive-promo and they might have turned off the ESP on the audi there. i dont know if thats correct or even if ESP has something to to with quattro not working in this particular video
I'd like to see if this AWD system can perform in two feet of snow, or a mud bog or on an extreme off road scenario like a Subaru can.
extream off road your kidding right
Old comment section? Amazing!
U can see that Audi need so much more rpm to get it up those 3 rollers, while Subaru's symmetrical AWD ? Less
i am pretty sure that my 12yr old AWD grand cherokee could do that with no problem. ive had an awd explorer and a subaru outback and the traction in the jeep is better by leaps and bounds
Different systems... and what's the tradeoff? Fuel efficiency, weight, and likely reliability.
Uhh... and I'm pretty sure your Cherokee can't. You need to do more research and quit watching "opinion based" videos. This video is a good video that demo Audi's capability despite the dumb title. Subaru has this capability decades before Audi though.
Jeez, my Expedition will tow a 10,000lb trailer up that ramp...
ramps dont look like they were at the same angle as the bmw video...
Le Quattro d'un "S" est meilleur que le Quattro standard mais encore loin en terme de réactivité d'un XDrive !