Helldivers 2: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back
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- čas přidán 13. 09. 2024
- The newest Helldivers 2 update, Escalation of Freedom, is filled to the brim with content, but sadly it all feels like more of the same.
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Car has a flat tire, pop the other three to make the wheels even
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perfectly balanced, as everything should be.
This is a beautiful summary of arrowhead’s balance philosophy
lol
This is the dumbest argument ever. The flamethrower nerf was totally justified.
they push a fire themed warbond and nerf the flamethrower? wtf?
This is my beef. Even if they wanted to nerf flame damage they should have waited till 2 mo after the update like every other company. I was so excited to run triple flamethrower for weeks before the update. But nvm
AND they promote items that are supposed to aid you with the flamethrower but..what good are they if you are no longer using the flamethrower..LOL
it his the reason of the nerf yes. they cant let you have a primary weapon that easily kill chargers. the flam-XX. i hope they buff the frametrower support variant to be able to kill chargers again.
It’s not that deep, people acting like it’s un useable now because it can’t cheese chargers are just stupid as hell.
@@-.Outlaw.- but if you want to flame kill. Use the flam primary. Now I don't see a difference between the two. Exempt the flamethrower use your stratagem place that you need kill bigger enemies
I have seen a flamethrower work irl and it is very hot. You can be 200 feet away and you will feel the temperature rise 10-30 degrees. When somebody is using a flamethrower you can feel it from afar. Flamethrowers should shred through any life with no issues. Even with armor, the armor will heat up and burn possibly the creature. There are also cracks in the chargers armor for fire to "flow" through.
This is exactly what i been saying. One of the reasons a flamethrower was so fucking terrifying when they were still legal in war is the fact youre not even safe in a bunker, theyll just cook your ass out
Like example is War world 2 soldier use their flamethrower and it still terrifying
even in concerts up in the stands like a good 100-200 metres away from the stage, I could feel the air get hotter around me when the pyrotechnics went off.... now a FLAMETHROWER.... aint nothing living through that
10+ from 200 feet away? No. 10- yes. A 10° rise is huge and def doesnt go over that 200 feet away. I think youre miscalculating just how far 200 feet is. Unless the napalm thrower is pointed at you, youd feel upwards of 10° difference and nothing more. Source: seen people use and have used white phosphorus explosives which burn hotter than napalm
@@davidponder1654they are illegal? I thought they just weren’t in use anymore because other weapons are better now. for example, the US stopped using napalm in hhe vietnam war once ~~they were able to kill more c1vil1an5~~ cluster munitions became deadlier than napalm. and having a massive heavy, bulky tank on your back that sets you on fire also isn’t as great when reliable submachineguns/flashbangs exist and combat is mostly over distance
The flame thrower flame affects now look ugly as hell, also the flames bounce off even though it’s a liquid. Makes no sense. “Flames realistic” yet we’re fighting elephant sized bugs and terminators.
It’s not a liquid. Flamethrowers in HD2 are gas.
Yeah, flame effects do not look good anymore. I always felt so impressed by how realistic they used to look. Now it just looks the same as a flamethrower from some GZDoom game.
It shows how dumb they really are lmao. They took a realistic flamethrower and went “that doesn’t look like when I hold a lighter to my axe body spray so it’s wrong” all they’ve done is show that they really are sweaty armchair morons lol. Imagine being the guy who created the new warbond jjst to have flame changed and your weapons shifted on before the public even gets to use them in their intended state
@@sunbreakerqueenofbronze621 you spend a half second shooting the liquid then set it on fire.
Also the bugs are litterally made of oil they, by biological design in lore, should be easy to light on fire.
@@elfireii328 that’s the gas. Napalm ignites on contact with oxygen.
The Autocannon is now the best support weapons of the game for both factions. This is interesting because it has received zero changes since this game came out, everything else has just been nerfed or enemies have been introduced to which invalidated the other options (behemoths), so just by process of elimination it has become our best tool.
The only reason I think that it hasn't been nerfed is that Pilestedt himself said it was his favorite weapon. And from I've heard, it's also based on a Swedish version of an Autocannon, so there might be some inherent bias from the devs on it.
Wouldn’t be surprised if the autocannon got nerfed eventually too tbh
Shhh don't let them know about the Autocannon
Bro why you gotta call a spotlight to it shushshshshshshshsh
The autocannon has been one of the best weapons since launch. It can take down all bot and bug objectives like bug holes, shrieker nests, spore nests, and fabricators, except the gunship factory and new long range gun tower. While also 1-2 shotting most enemies on the game.
It can also take down all heavy enemies. Including bile titans.
Ive honestly never seen devs ruin their golden goose like this. Except maybe Respawn with Titanfall
Or Elite Dangerous
Respawn w apex would be more accurate, huge commercial success off launch that they ruined w mtx and shitty updates. Titanfall by comparison was niche (altho i get what ur saying, it should have been TF3 instead of apex)
@@jckfrost36they’re still doing tf3
Blizzard with Overwatch
Bungie and Destiny 2
"Take the supply pack its the best pack in the game" Incoming supply pack nerf, obviously.
Get half a clip 😂 1 rocket for the Spear.
I like the jump pack
and if i want to take any form of anti tank weaponry that isnt EAT then i need that backpack slot
I guarantee you a supply pack nerf is coming...I'm so glad Monster Hunter Wilds is coming. I think I've spent enough time w/ Helldivers.
An inert box on my back instead of all the other strategems I could have taken is so much fun.
Things I witnessed on the stream: Devs were shooting at bot gunships with a breaker incendiary. At least one dev spent no fewer than ten seconds trying to fire an empty weapon. They threw a grenade and ran into it multiple times. They played on difficulty 4 and 5. They engaged a bot tank with a breaker incendiary from the front and seemed genuinely confused as to why it wasn't dealing any damage. They tried to melee a hulk. They stood in napalm and used a stim until they died. They ran out of reinforcements on difficulty 5 before completing the first objective.
They must have been super confused when they looked at the spreadsheets of metrics later to find that you actually can kill a tank with the breaker incendiary if you hit the weak point, but they don't track weak points on their metrics. They track difficulty level, weapon used, enemy type killed, and how many hits it took. They also nerf weapons based on their performance at level 5 and below, and don't test spawn rates at difficulties 8-10. There's also a bug that was implemented with the fire change. Fire weapons aren't supposed to deal damage to armor anymore, but now fire damage sometimes doesn't deal damage to armored enemies at all. The flamethrower can bounce off of the charger butt, and breaker pellets apply fire damage first in the calculation and sometimes don't apply physical damage before the fire damage is ignored. The enemy will not ignite if ANY of the pellets hit armor.
I hope this puts things into perspective as to why things are in their current state.
I'm only shocked at how *fucking* incompetent these devs are. They can't be this stupid, can they? They're the devs, this is their own game, HOW DO THEY NOT KNOW HOW THIS SHIT WORKS? THEY DESIGNED IT.
No, I'm not shocked, I'm fucking livid. HOW. WHY? At this point, they should just let the community do this shit for them because it looks to me like they genuinely have never touched the game until that stream.
Contract devs make a game and the nepobaby learn2coders run it…
That’s why they live in “developer hell” and the 1099 means I pay my own taxes yes but I set my hours… something the typical employer agreement sets instead…
And then I’ll borrow a quote or 2 from grandma. “A correction is more than a haircut.” or “an emergency on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.”
@@OrionDawn15 believe it or not, a lot of developers don't play their own games, the way players do. That's why they're supposed to have designated Play Testers, to give this kind of feedback; so they work on both sides of the field. It's one think to know how a thing works, because you designed in such a way, but it's another thing to understand how the players think, and how they play, and what they enjoy, and why they enjoy it.
@@XDarkEcho It's still shocking nonetheless to hear that they play like toddlers, struggle on level 5 and balance the game around *that* difficulty.
I just dont understand that if they know that they are not good in the game or the community tells them that "hey u play really bad and kinda stupid" than why they not let the players test these new changes before they drop the update, like they could do open play tests to the community before an update or hire people who are actually playing with the game and have an opinion about it
15:00 *charger dies so the railcannon goes to the hunter*
Hunter: "Please, no, I have a fami-"
That laser made it personal XD
Flamethrower doesn’t burn through armor unless its Helldiver armor in which case its super effective.
Realism only to our detriment
Removing ammo doesnt make the game harder, it just makes it less fun
Removing those 2 magazines had no effect on my ability to complete missions, it just affected my enjoyment while doing it
Less time fighting the enemies, more time avoiding them
If anything it makes the game easier because you are incentivized to just creep around instead of engaging with difficult battles
Now that i dont have my flamethrower, when i see a charger i just walk around it or bean it in the face with a rocket from 30 meters away, i dont run up and fight it
Ur argument is flawed, because if we take the opposite side, where IB has infinite ammo u would spend more time in combat and have more fun. But the game would be utterly unbalanced.
@@mrlunar62no devs make a weapon with infinite ammo, your point doesn't apply
@@MrSkipanseveral with the charge system
The reason why they aren’t meta was because flame could go through multiple squads at the risk of friendly fire and area denial
Now why take literally anything besides either a heavy explosive or an LMG
Flamethrower is garbage at swarms
Garbage at swarm removal and garbage at charger killing
And the shotgun has what 2 mags for a worse breaker
@@MrSkipan …there r weapons that have infinite ammo……..
@@mrlunar62 you right, 2 weapons that suck so much that almost no one uses them, I see you keep commenting under multiple comments, what do you gain by defending this piece of shit patch?
There were a few comments saying it was Alex Kravchenko (Arrowhead), who destroyed 2 other games with his balance tweaks then left them to die. He's apparently quite notorious for gaslighting and putting people down for his tweaks.
Jesus. It’s crazy cause helldivers 2 of all games didn’t even need nerfs to begin with so idk why he needed to nerf them
I believe it at this point. I remember when the previous CEO stepped down and we had that great balance patch Alex sent a community message basically saying he spear headed the changes and he isn't the bad guy the community is making him out to be.
Gotta say he's right. He's apparently worse lol.
sounds like the type of ego driven lead i was expecting behind this s show.
And also keep in mind Pilestedt was on vacation when this update dropped...
This is the community’s fault. A small amount of players knew Alexus was the issue and kept trying to tell the wider community to call him out and no one listened. Now his power’s gone out of hand and it’s probably too late to minimize his influence on the balancing. Had the larger community listened in the beginning and pushed back against the nerfs we wouldn’t be in the mess that we’re in right now
My main issue is that literally 95% of the weapons in the game just aren’t competitive and they nerf the few weapons that actually feel good.
Use your stratagems. Your "primary" shouldnt actually be your primary tool in removing enemies.
HAHAHAHA
ok bud. Clearly you haven't played a difficulty higher then like 5 or 4
When you face 4 or even five chargers, not to mention 3 to 2 Titans, a strat that you can only use every 3 minutes is not gonna help.
And flamethrower WAS a strat.....and then they nerfed it.
So I'm forced to bring a spear or recoilless every....single.....game.....
And that gets boring
@@yomammasaurusrex9571
100% theres about 3 total that are worth using and 15 others I've unlocked and tried once. None of them feel unique. 4 slight varied shit ARs, 3 smgs, 2 laughable "DMRs" that everything outperforms, then a fuck ton of shotguns which everyone ends up using. It's pretty sad
@@yomammasaurusrex9571 if that’s the logic why are stratagems continually nerfed and modifiers added that make them inaccurate or jammed? Plus if half the weapons can’t kill horde enemies in a horde shooter reliably then they don’t have a place in it. Pls think before commenting lmao
@@yomammasaurusrex9571 Stratagems are being used enough as is, they SHOULDN'T be your primary method for dealing with every single situation in the game. And especially not with modifiers that increase their cooldowns.
How much stuff gets nerfed that we should be happy with a "be happy it wasn't nerfed harder" makes you think
I remember the big patch we got and I thought it could’ve been better, but people told me at least it wasn’t nerfed and to stop complaining
Frogs in boiling water moment.
In a pve game it doesnt make sense
@@jakestakes9075what makes this worse is that more enemies are getting added and the weapons just keep getting worse
Will fire stick to the new alien shields because a double nerf is gonna be hilariously bad PR
@@tylerulfmann4586 I’m all for harder enemies and more of a challenge, but the guns don’t feel fun to use. Nerfing the flame thrower like they did is crazyyyyy. New fire armour plus the jet pack would’ve actually made me comeback to the game.
Instead I just follow hoping for a reason to comeback. Maybe when I have more free time but not with ncaa recently released 😂
> wanted to come back because of the warbond
> fire is my favorite mechanic
> AH gutted fire
> AH lost a player and 10$
> Space Marine 2 will get one more player and money
Back to Deep Rock Galactic it is!
@@jooot_6850 Rock and stone
@@jooot_6850rock and stone to the bone
@@jooot_6850there's a reason drg is still keeping all of its players and peeked player counts this year years after release
@@jooot_6850 Rock and stone!
Guys, we made these changes to give the game a more realistic feel!
Also Arrowhead: Makes a game where you go planet to planet killing giant alien bugs and robots attempting to take down "Super Earth" that's somehow in the middle of the galaxy
I don’t think “realism” was their aim, but balance
well, at least they are realistic about how real life politics frame communism as democracy. But i fear this was unintentionally considering their community managers and acting.
well, at least they are realistic about how real life politics frame communism as democracy. But i fear this was unintentionally considering their community managers and acting.
@@mrlunar62 The CEO literally had a reddit post where he talked about the original direction of the game. The second or third point on the list was that they wanted a mil-sim(Military Simulation) like feel to the game, with realistic reloading, and gun ergonomics. Yes, they were very interested in making it realistic.
I mean you can have realistic elements in a more fantastical world. The two aren't mutually exclusive
Realistic? We are all BEING SHOT OUT OF our own PERSONAL SPACE SHIP in pods…SHAPED LIKE BULLETS!
Don’t be dense, just because the game’s in a futuristic setting that doesn’t mean that the game’s abandoned all sense of logic and realism. It’s clearly meant to have some degree of internal consistency and part of that is using the right tools on the appropriate target in a way that approximates real life military tactics. It should be evident that that was always the intent from mechanics like unexpended ammo in magazines being lost on reload, aim lag based on weapons handling and injuries affecting the player’s control of their character. Sure, saying it’s a milsim like Arma is maybe putting it too strongly, but it’s closer to that end of the spectrum than Doom or Ultrakill.
@@Verminator4 You mean realism when it is convenient ? dude we summon magazine out of thin air, what's the point of gutting magazine carry capacity when it doesn't show where it come from ?
@@Verminator4 care to explain the realism behind titan sized bugs professor smartypants?
@@Verminator4 Realism only when it hurts the player.
@@Jewls1 Just like Project Zomboid!
To quote a community post from Warrior VII about the nerfs, another amazing CZcamsr who I would highly recommend everyone check out, “If you're enjoying a steak at a restaurant so much that you forget to eat your salad and potatoes, should the chef come out and dump pepper all over the steak so you're less inclined to continue enjoying it and thus feel forced to eat more of the side dishes?”
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I swear to you, I have used the stun grenade, hit charger butt, and the mf will TURN AROUND to stop me from doing so even when stunned. Literally I hate chargers. They're a pain to fight against and even their "weak spot" is too tanky
Also now it really feels like they tuned up their turning ability, which if so is dumb. No thing that massive and heavy would be able to turn that fast. I used to be able to dodge them pretty effectively and have them run past, but now they turn faster than I can even do so.
Fun fact, the hitbox of chargers and titans are bugged, where you see armor cracked, is still technically armored, you have to aim for around its shoulders to deal damage once the armor is broken off
For me reason I hate them is just the rate that they spawn at. I’ll never forget playing a match where I had to fight 6 charges and 3 bile titans along with a swarm of bugs. Thankfully I got all of the samples but majority of my team didn’t even make it 💀. Probably why I stopped playing honestly. Spawn rates got super annoying, weapons got nerfed for no reason, and I was seriously holding out for the illuminates to be added into the game too
Fun fact the week spot isn’t a week spot it’s just vanutable if you aren’t using the scorcher 95% of your bullets don’t do anything
I despise it, it’s just an excuse for a big bullet sponge even when the mf always turns taking LONGER to kill…
The Problem is it got Nerfed not because it is OP oder was, NO NO it got nerfed because People Used it so mutch, there should be a rule in PVE Games, as long as it does not Brake the game there is no Nerf needed
If people are using meta weapons in a PVE game, perhaps it’s a sign that other weapons need to be *buffed* to “break” the meta.
@@Dr.Oofers Seriously, how is this so hard to understand? Why are they nerfing weapons like the IB instead of buffing weapons like the Penetrator, a vastly underused weapon because the Adjucator is literally a direct upgrade, are they stupid?
I feel the devs, just put of principle, nerf stuff that is used a lot. Couldn't be possible people use it because the rest is trash, no, obviously if people use it it must be OP...
Escalation of freedom. Arrow head has reduced fun from 6 to 4 and increased frustration from 28 to 41.
ROBLOX Community: Yeah that's an average thursday for us
@@D9fjg honestly arrow head might as well be Roblox devs with the amount of bone headed decisions they make.
The fact the breaker incendiary is still the best shows just how god awful every other primary is at least for bugs
The reason people used the breaker incendiary so much is because the thing it was designed to do are the same things that are good against bugs. It's fire and a shotgun, it deals with chaff and small hordes so well. That's exactly why it was used to often on bugs. It wasn't "OP", you had to mag dump to kill some medium enemies and already ran out of ammo fast. They looked at a spreadsheet and said "hey, a lot of people like this weapon that is perfectly designed for bugs, let's make it worse so people stop using it so often against those bugs".
terminids are a part of the dev team i see
@@jooot_6850 Everyone but the game testers are part of the dev team it feels like
@@toast1172the game testers don’t know anything about the game either! Watch the livestream they did
What sucks to me is I was a Helldivers 1 player years before Helldivers 2 was even announced and the all primaries in 1 were solid were some better than others yes the laser shotgun was the best in the game in my opinion but the point is you could still use the other primaries without feeling like you were handicapping yourself.
Was armor this plentiful on enemies in that game too or no? Which game's enemies have more armor out of curiosity
@@adamm1117 the basic enemies did not but bosses like the tanks chargers yes.
Give me my trident!!!!!! (But make sure its as good as in hd1)
@@adamm1117 Plentiful? Yes. But your Anti-Tank actually works in HD1. Single shot kills on anything not outright a Boss.
I don’t understand why it’s so hard for game developers to just listen to us
I swear if changes where carried out at least in part by community voting, games would be significantly better. Warthunder has actually been doing this to an extent and its been incredibly well received.
Because people only complain about everything. Like it has been months where everyone been saying the flamethrower and incendiary breaker makes the bugs a cake walk on the hardest difficulty. Now people just mad that they can't win on the hardest difficulty while they are half asleep.
Because 99% of the time the community is filled with crying man babies who don’t care about reality but just want to voice what they want. And when their unrealistic expectations aren’t met they cry and moan on social media that no one cares about their opinion.
Well I think they did listen. They listened to what most of us said (there are people still defending AH out there even now) and chose to do exactly the opposite.
God complex, they're too good to listen like normal people
arrowhead needs a nerf as well. fire those guys that are nerfing everything
The breaker didnt deserve a nerf. It only seems op because everything else is ass. They couldve just idk... buffed the spray and pray to be better for bugs? They couldve made the carbine more powerful or given it more ammo and it would be great for horde clear. They could give the knight better ammo economy and damage so its actually usable.
I agree.
The fact that it's still great at the role it was doing pre-nerf (as this video even mentioned) makes me nervous for *even more nerfs* to it. It's still one of the best primaries against bugs and frankly the nerf didn't lower it much, if at all.
Buff the bad weapons instead. Arrowhead should be asking "why aren't more people taking the Liberator against bugs?"
Not "how can I make the Breaker Incendiary used as much as the Liberator."
P.S.: enjoy the Cookout while you can. If the devs thought the Breaker Incendiary needed a nerf ... oh boy is the Cookout about to get gutted.
This right here ☝️
I somewhat agree, a LOT of things do need buffs but tbh the breaker-I did deserve a nerf. And tbh I didn't even really notice the nerf that much. I did find myself out of ammo more but not to the point I felt like I should bring a different weapon or a supply pack. ammo boxes are literally everywhere. But yeah, most ARs, and the breaker spray and pray definitely need buffs. things like the liberator concussive are basically useless. The Flamethrower change was ungodly stupid tho
We only started using the Incindiary breaker because they nerfed the slugger and standard breaker.
So buff everything instead of nerfing one thing. Do u have a shred of an idea how long that would’ve taken? Have u NEVER played a PvE game before? Buffing 10 things vs nerfing 1.
They nerfed to breaker ONLY because it was popular. It’s not overperforming, the rest of the weapons just aren’t good. The blitzer and sickle are about the only other weapons really worth taking.
If they’d bump other weapons up in terms of their performance then we wouldn’t have so many issues.
On the bot front, the Scorcher is effective against a wider range of enemies than the IB is against the tougher bugs.
This is just about popularity, and it is a needless change, and proof that nothing has been learned.
@@thatsnotoneofmeatsmanyuses1970 the scorcher and plasma punisher are my go to guns for bots. In my comment I was mostly referring to bugs since this whole update has been geared towards them.
I wouldn't even mind if the weapons were fun, but no. They suck and are boring!
Brother the breaker incediary 100 was overperforming, and combined with the resupply pack it still does lol
@@iandiederen9349Still doesn't excuse Arrowhead from making incredibly stupid decision to nerf weapons because they're popular
I still do not understand how Arrowhead wants me to play Helldiver's 2. Give me bombs gatling turret jet packs shields rockets mechs and 6 different flavors of Grenades but the most viable gameplay strategy on high difficulty is to "avoid" Patrols.
Because as much as you want it to be a horde shooter first, it is not.
@@yomammasaurusrex9571 I guess not I don't know what it's trying to be then.
@@yomammasaurusrex9571So what even is it? Mil sims don't have enemies that take up full mags and throw 15 of them at you at the same time. The amount of enemies on higher difficulties is just frustrating when you constantly run out of ammo shooting the most basic of aliens.
@@speedforce8970 agreed. It feels like I'm losing more because I simply have exhausted all ammo and Stratagems and I feel fundamentally the answer being to avoid patrols is dumb.
@@yomammasaurusrex9571 Then what the FUCK is the game, man? If it's not a horde shooter, WHAT IS IT? The first game is a horde shooter, this one is too. Stealth plays a non-existent role in gameplay and as 'detailed' as it is, you can never fully stealth a mission and the game DISCOURAGES stealth by spawning in patrols to magically wander to your position.
But you have plenty of weapons and equipment made for tearing apart big enemies and big hordes, you're fighting wave after wave of enemies. If that's not a horde shooter, what is?
1:49 It did not deserve the fucking nerf.
It did. It was better than everything else by a pretty huge margin
@@mrlunar62false, the other weapons needs buff
@@MrSkipan so they should buff everything instead of nerfing this one thing? So if u spill the milk in the kitchen, do u mop the whole house because of it?
@@mrlunar62 Arrowhead would just straight up burn the kitchen. And yes, buff the other fucking weapons. I never see anyone use assault rifles or the SMGs. You think nerfing the IB is somehow gonna make players use theses shitty guns?
@@campergostmaster so if ur running a company. Instead of nerfing the gun that is hard meta and dominates which would take…a week tops, u would instead buff everything else which would take like half a year? Oh and in the mean time u pay for their wages? People like u need to stop playing PvP games and play PvE games because even an 8 year old who plays destiny 2 understands that “buffing everything” is unrealistic as shit
The problem is, they SAID they werent gonna nerf anymore. That's the issue.
But if there is a cut clear issue like IB they gotta do something about it….
@@mrlunar62muh 30 percent
Trash takes hope you enjoy a dead game
@@tylerulfmann4586 30% is a crazy number when u realize how many guns and builds u can have in this game. When everything performs at 5-10% that 30% is pretty massive
@@mrlunar62well maybe they should buff the other guns since they’re mostly unused, I hardly see anyone using submachine guns or assault rifles, and currently even less are using the new flamer weapons
@@RoboVenturer the problem is that that would cost a shit ton of resources, money, and time. Coz now instead of nerfing one thing, they need to buff 17 other things.
Saying the incendiary got a deserved nerf, and we should be happy it wasn’t worse is pretty tone deaf. The general consensus is it was the best option because the ammo economy and damage of other weapons against Terminids is so terrible. The incendiary was where it should have been, the other weapons need tune ups.
yup. try and clear a bug breach with a Breaker. Above difficulty 4 or 5, you CAN'T. It doesn't matter how good you are. you just. run out of ammo. and the standard Breaker is still one of the """better""" primaries. utterly pathetic state of the game.
For me the biggest joke in this update is saying that taking on the new enemy bases would bring "great rewards".
Yeah, 4 rare samples and 2 super samples, IF you extract the egg. Such great rewards. Still don't have anything else to spend my samples at either (and they are capped so I can't even just farm them for the lolz)
LOL
While having to beat the current hardest difficulty. . .
The fact they don't give you credits for this indicates the devs are actually idiotic. I haven't paid IRL money for any warbond since launch and every one is always inferior wraponry
It tells me that the devs play this game so little that 4 rare samples is actually a lot for them.
Meanwhile any of the regular players been maxed on samples for ages.
Remember when they hyped so much that they added super samples to difficulty 6 and it was like, who cares? Nobody who wanted to farm super samples would still be playing on difficulty 6. And then the devs play at diff 5 and suck ass the whole time.
Agree. They've also said in the past that they will release new content to deal with the new challenges. Big maps and still no vehicles? Guess that was a lie. It's mandatory to bring full supplies booster, running booster, experimental infusion booster just to finish a map at anywhere near a reasonable time.
They do realize that there exist different types of flame?
There’s sticky flame, like napalm, which is so hot, it should be cooking the bug from the inside by sticking to it
And there’s scorching flame, like gas, which technically penetrates armor, which by physics should get into every opening on the armor
5:00 I dont need to penetrate the frying pan to boil my soup, do I? Why should I need to penetrate a charger to burn its insides?
Basic thermodynamics is beyond them💀
Who the fuck boils soup in a frying pan?
@@maliciousfacegaming8581 Arrowhead, probably.
My god, stop saying that the sg-225ie was the best weapon against bugs. SHE WAS THE ONLY ONE who did her job functionally. It's easy to be the best weapon when the others suck
The deepest part of a shallow pool lol
I kind of love how when I read that I was picturing the IB as a character in GFL because of how you phrased it.
I don't even care what they do anymore, in the future they will be video essays on how helldivers devs had the biggest choke in video game history.
I can imagine it now:
"Helldivers 2: how to kill your golden goose."
“The rise and fall of helldivers 2.”
“Helldivers 2, the fall of freedom (and community relations)”
Dead of a game : Helldivers 2
And somewhere down the line.
How Space Marine 2 killed Helldivers 2
If they hadn't nerfed the flamethrower and IB, they would likely have 100% positive feedback about the update. The excitement for the update and warbond was HUGE. Every mission, someone was talking about it. I would GLADLY let them take 100% of the update and warbond away if they undo the nerfs. The price for spore chargers was too high. NO ONE uses the new flamethrower primary. Why? Because it is just as bad as the flamethrower support is now. No reason for it's use ever. No one uses the flame armor. Why? No danger of accidentally burning yourself because you now never use a flamethrower.
2 steps back 100% perhaps 3
I was so pumped for the warbond because I could use the new flame primary against chargers and this would allow me to take something other than the flamethrower or an AT weapon. Now that's dead, and I see zero reason to get those new guns. Like wtf man
@@BagelmanSupreme exactly. Imo, I would rather they remove 100% of the update, increase spawn rate on level 9 and I have my flamethrower and IB back
Funny thing is, if they'd not nerfed fire, the biggest concern people might have (if we ignore the fear of 'this is good so it'll be nerfed') would be "Does this constitute Pay to Win now? Because it'd be a warbond of 'melts Armored Bugs' weapons.
@@Sorain1 1- zero players were complaining about the flamethrower. To use it involved dealing with several negatives like a) useless vs bots (50% of the game). B) very short range. (10-15M max)
C) high probability of injuring/killing self or team.
D) cant kill titans
The 1 (and only 1) benefit was killing chargers at POINT BLANK RANGE. It doesn't even kill bile spewers especially well. They almost always get 1 attack before they die.
If that is not balance for a weapon, they need to look at the definition of "balance". If anything it was still under balanced. Those downsides are pretty big.
If the idea of the additional flamethrower seemed like an issue, they could have easily said "the primary and secondary versions from the warbond use a different fuel". Let those weapons have the garbage new flame effect animation (possibly make the flame a different color if needed also) and not allow them to kill chargers. That would have let the stratagem version with ship module buff have a reason to still exist.
But most people didn't even like the flamethrower enough to use it. Those downsides outweigh the 1 and only 1 upside for most people. You NEVER saw a team of 4 people using flamethrowers. Most people want much better range with their weapons.
But now the flamethrower can't hurt chargers from any angle, even the tail. So, it is now an extremely short range stalwart with high probability of killing SELF and team but unable to damage chargers even on the tail (but a stalwart can do that)
If none of those are options to prevent your "pay to win" scenario, players can go thru the painfully boring process of farming for super credits to get the warbond.
But what they have done instead of having 100% of their player base happy about level 10, new monsters, larger bases, and new warbond has resulted in all time low player count only 3 weeks after the largest update ever.
They claim they will fix issues in 60 days. But they have lost people's trust now.
Now all anyone thinks when they hear "new update" will be "new nerfs" in a PVE game.
The bugs in this game are insane as well. I dont understand how so many people give companies like EA shit for not fixing their games, but hd2 gets a pass apparently. Falling through textures, randomly disconnecting at the end of missions, weapons dealing random damage etc. and thats there since day one. Do they fix any of that? Nah, but they sure have time to nerf everything. F them.
"Lowkey deserved nerfs"
Dude. NONE of the guns in this damn game deserve nerfs. Half of them are barely useable, and the rest are basically paper weights.
Buff the bad shit, leave to good stuff alone.
Use your stratagems
lower the difficulty
@@yomammasaurusrex9571 The stratagems are being used enough as is, they shouldn't be your go-to option for EVERY encounter.
@@maksymdrygaa2995 Difficulty doesn't fix shitty weapons.
I have NEVER played the game and I know “lower the difficulty!” and “use stratagems” are bad arguments.
If they didn't nerf the flamethrower I think the vibe would be much more positive than it currently is. I have come across no one using the flame weapons in the new warbond. Overall it feels like a let down. My dream of an all flame loadout has gone down in well flames.
I love flame weapons too so it’s a shame to see this as they looked fun to use in the trailer.
I run them and... yeah, they're kind of underwhelming.
I dont think the breaker deserved the nerf. Other weapons should feel as strong is it. Its a PvE game and not a PvP game, are the bugs crying at the devs or why are we making the weapons worse. You add a new dificulty only to nerf the weapons we found to be fun. This is just flat out dumb. The game was marketed as having overlowered weapons and yet we are fighting enemies with a spray can and a gun with nevative ammo
What’s crazy is that it seems like the original flamethrower system, and the current flamethrower system were written by completely different developers.
But the second developer was allowed to simply remove the old flamethrower system which he clearly didn’t understand, and replace it with his own system which works far worse.
This company is severely dysfunctional and mismanaged if these kinds of changes are being allowed with no review process and no oversight.
You are correct, many devs have been swapped out of balancing department since launch. Still can’t do fuck all in terms of balancing it right though
Sure didn't help one of their balancing dev or the "lead dev" (idk the correct term for it)
Have a........"beautiful" reputation for being biggest piece of shit one can find on the internet, the guy is so full of himself that it just sounds delusional
Look up Alexus kravchenko if you want said "dev" that works on the balancing patches
Let's do it this way, if they're worried about it being anti-charger. Chargers have developed a small resistance to flames, +10% flame resistance. Makes it harder, it's still viable, badaboom
the surprises were the nerfs we made along the way
The incendiary breaker is still by far the best shotgun at higher difficulties, but now you’re forced to bring a supply pack, decreasing the number of viable loadouts.
Ive seen this cope a lot and I completely disagree. I almost always run the breaker-I and I gotta say I've felt almost no difference. regardless of playing solo or in squads. Ammo boxs are literally everywhere and when you cant find any resupply is there. I literally didn't even realize it had been nerfed until I read the patch notes yesterday.
@@seductive_fishstick8961 u playing on level 5 or what?
@@IAmNumber4000I’ve farmed the shit out of lvl 10s and yeah. IB is still really good.
The greater playerbase really needs to use the rest of their kit more. There is so much focus on your small arms like theyre supposed to do 90% of the killing for some reason. USE YOUR STRATAGEMS
@@yomammasaurusrex9571 preach my guy. It’s so annoying to hear people bitch and moan that their favorite gun was nerfed. Like bro, use other guns, or even better, rely less on them. A gun isn’t supposed to kill everything, that’s what we have 500kgs for.
Umm shouldn't it be heating up the meat behind that armor? That's sorta realistic.
Fool, don't you know how realism works? It's *ONLY* realistic if the changes are at the players' expense!!
when i refuse to do what my boss tells me to do and do the exact opposite i expect to get fired from my job. I EXPECT SOMEONE AT ARROWHEAD TO LOSE THIER JOB OVER THIS!
What a terrible person
@@yomammasaurusrex9571 They should. Whoever's handling these weapon tweaks had plenty of chances to do better, plenty of feedback too and still they fuck up. They need to be fired ASAP and replaced with somebody who knows what they're doing.
@@yomammasaurusrex9571 What do you expect to get by regularly bending over for the bad decisions of Arrowhead?
Why would anyone be happy to have a gun that was just decent nerfed?
Insane logic.
It honestly seems like they are afraid of people having fun. That, or they hate the idea of people enjoying their game. I just don’t see any other explanation
It's honestly the fact that the Incendiary Breaker was nerfed and it's STILL the best weapon for bugs that makes it all the more infuriating that it was nerfed, because SURPRISE SURPRISE! AH forgot that they need to BUFF things to give players viable options. If you keep most of the weapons trash, then players aren't going to use them and they'll gravitate towards what works best.
Making what works best worse doesn't balance the sandbox, it just makes it collectively worse and less fun for players. Stop balancing the game like it's a PvP. It's not that.
Use your stratagems. Stop trying to brute force every mission with just small arms like a masochist
@@yomammasaurusrex9571
They do use their stratagems.
@@yomammasaurusrex9571 On harder difficultly there can be a lot of missions with Emps and cooldown increases making it not work. So you avoid all the enemies do only the main missions and leave. I dislike the idea of stratagems feeling like a crutch. Since many of the weapons feel like pee shooters.
Fun... That doesn't not feel like how the game was intended. Not really spreading democracy. Just 20 minutes of walking. Barely using both if your smart.
Do you wanna pull a Ubisoft?
What I'd want the developers to do:
*notice that a gun/strat is being taken much more than any other option*
Community forum/Feedback Form: "Hey guys, ArrowHead here! We've noticed that a lot of people are taking [weapon/strat] over [similar options], can we get your thoughts on why?"
Community: [mixed bag of reactions, but overall consensus is that other options do not provide the answer that this weapon/strat does and this weapon is necessary to clear higher difficulties]
Developers: "Since [other options] aren't holding up to [overused weapon/strat], we are going to buff them to make them similarly viable to that option, so you players dont feel quite so pigeonholed into taking one single loadout in order to answer challenges at higher difficulties!"
Yeah, right. Like that'll ever happen.
My god can you imagine how hyped people would be at that? (Provided we set aside peoples total distrust of them after their flip-flopping.)
You know hd2 is cooked when tf2's pyro flamethrower has better physics
Edit: You all remember when everyone was glazing of how this devs knew what was Live service game. Turns out they don't know how to update the game. I want to mention two behemoth of games that are kind of live service Tf2 and cs2. Both of these has different metas but devs wouldn't shit down the gun that was broken, they would just slightly nerf it and buff others. Yes tf2 had a roller coaster of weapons (200+ to be specific) but it was fun how the weapons interacted with other weapons. I mean some of the weapon stats were completely changed or removed. As for the cs? Mostly bullet or accuracy nerf. If you ask me, it is not too late to go back one version (and also I heard that there's now a forum, but only read by one person on one app. I think this all points out that AH wasn't ready of how big player base would be
TF2 is a bad exemple because 25% of the weapons are overpowered and 25% are unusable
@@nickosman1556
True. You can't compare a game where 25% of the weapons are OP and 25% are unusable to a game where 95% of the weapons are "niche" weapons and only 5% can get you through most situations.
They should buff the flamethrower strat where it can not only burn through armor but also have a visual change where it spews blue flames!
They made the flames unrealistic
Honestly 97% are mad for the nerfing and the other 3% are those sweat gamers who say is easy or to get better dude im
Not saying im bad i still win the game is about the fun !
And arrow head are just hearing those 3% ignoring the 97%
And ofcourse all guns on a controlled envirment will seem op but try when there are multiple chargers titans and hunters charging at you
Use your stratagems. That is your true "primary" weapon.
@@yomammasaurusrex9571 Honest to god, you're persistant but oh-so-very ignorant. The stratagems shouldn't be your main weapon for *everything,* they're being used enough as is. Get your head out of your ass and actually think about it.
they're probably gonna nerf every single gun good for fighting illuminate the day before they bring illuminate to the game
the IE Breaker nerf is huge, because it changes a lot of people loadouts. To compensate for the ammo loss more and more helldivers will carry the supply pack and AH will see that as another reason to nerf. Either the SP or the IE Breaker, or worst case scenario, both.
imagine reaching level 100+ and still relying on an ammo backpack and wasting this precious slot with it in order to control the cascading mobs. I wonder why do they implemented leveling at all if we dont gain ANY benefit from it. And saying that the only left weapon that was okayish in contrast to all other weakened weapons deserved a nerf is insane. The breaker inc wasnt superior at all. It was the only tool left with an acceptable ammo-ttk-reload ratio. F your "ammo management".
I think the devs are gonna drip feed us the content not just give it all to us, this update probably has a lot more to it in terms of new content I just think the devs are waiting for the right moment to reveal it, like in a major order or something
The best outcome for the game would be if Arrowhead were bought out, the key programmers kept on staff, while the rest were fired. Preferably from a cannon, into the sun.
The impaler is actually the 4th reskinned charger
Charger, behemoth, spore charger, impaler
I'll say, at least the Impaler functions differently. The Behemoth just never stops charging and the Spore charger is just a bit moldy.
@@OrionDawn15 my major issue with it is that it’s hard to tell the difference between them at a distance. PVE games like L4D2 have already showed us that gamers love it when every enemy is distinct and easily told apart from one another
@@ballisticbox7134 Oh definitely, as an avid L4D2 player I love when a game gives me distinct and recognizable enemy types so I know right off the bat what I'm fighting and how to deal with it.
Known where in the mist of a galactic war why not allow the sides of the map too meet with bugs and automatons and have helldivers battle between em both?
Buuuuut hulks can hit me with a flamethrower through a solid wall.
As far as nerfs, heres my thought: if i could close my eyes and pick a primary and be happy with whatever i picked, and then there is a primary thats head and shoulders ahead of those hypothetical weapons, sure. Nerf away. Thing is, there are maybe 2 guns that are/were s tier per faction. Until the d tier is atleast b or a tier, they have no business nerfing the fan favorites. Let us use these weapons while you FIX THE REST. Need to fix the broken before nerfing the reliable. If there were 10 other guns that perform close to what they nerfed, no one would care
I was really looking forward to being a flame diver and diving down with flame pod booster, primary flame gun, secondary flame gun, impact fire grenade, with strtagems of flamethrower, eagle napam, flame mines and a bile titan killer weapon. But AH as usual destroyed all my fun.
they actually went and did it.
they nerfed the charger leg meta.
it's really simple. Make the rest of the dog water guns better instead of the ones that work well currently. There's so many fun guns in the game that just suck so hard they're a waste to get.
Flamethrower doesn’t even kill chaff enemies the way it used to. You cant really stand your ground anymore you have to run away. It doesn’t hold the line anymore at all it’s a literal waste to bring it
Sad to see the game fall off hard, I remember how viper commandos got 100,000 people, but then fell off to 30,000, sad how hard the game is falling apart from the game industry’s golden child to a game with problems that keep on stacking.
AH seems to be scrambling to try and fix this, they put out a proper forum where you can input critiques and or suggestions for balance and so forth. whether they will accurately act upon this, i can’t say, but if they want to retain more than 30,000 players daily then they need to act fast.
Im probably a total idiot and never used the breaker incendiary correctly, because in my hands, it felt...kinda garbage, it chewed through ammo like nobodys buisness and felt like it was barely doing the damage or stopping power i needed to keep the hordes of bugs back. So i was quite surprised when i heard people saying it was one of the best primaries
The friending fixes were great tho, immediately noticed and it’s real nice not have to restart the entire game when trying to friend people
The Breaker Incendiary was perfect, didn’t need a nerf. It was great at what it did on low levels, and was really good at higher levels. The flamethrower nerf was terrible. And it proved that AH is a bunch of liars, just like with the review cape we were supposed to get. And they definitely don’t understand how real flamethrowers work.
Fire breaker became the "best" gun in the game because they mega buffed fire damage and then had us invest in ship modules that buffed fire even more! And like you said, it didn't change that much. It just forced you to play more conservatively or bring the supply backpack, thus limiting our build choices again, thus enforcing and shrinking the META again!
You are crazy to say that losing 33% ammo is acceptable... over nothing!
I know a very simple way to fix this nerfing issue, change game name to nerf divers 😂
Remember it’s nerf or nothing
@@The_Hunta62underated comment XD
They wont be satisfied until we're throwing dud grenades at titans.
The incendiary shotgun nerf is the Eruptor situation again all over. While the nerf didn't gut the weapon like the Eruptor's did, nerfing a good weapon solely on the premise that "it's a reliable weapon that's used too often" (paraphrase of what they literally said) is absolutely wild. Maybe the shotgun is used so much because it's the only good gun, whereas so much of the other available weapons are lacking? Instead of fixing the rest of the roster, they're making them all unusable!
Lol I'm one of those people who didn't buy the warbond because of the fire nerf lol
The Breaker Incendiary is literally the alt ver of SPRAY & PRAY. It is literally in the name. Arrowhead expects us to be ammo conservative with a Spray and Pray weapon!
"guys, we should make a flame based war bond."
"wait wait wait, the flamer thrower is good? Nah that needs to change."
Uninstalled and I don’t plan to come back to this game. Why nerf popular weapons instead of buffing everything else? The answer is simple. It’s because it’s easy to change 1 thing instead of changing everything else.
Sometimes i don't understand why there's the need for nerfing the most reliable and most popular weapon in the game when you can just buff the most less usable weapon in the game and just redirect players to that particular weapon
Not only is the flamethrower nerf a huge let down, the flamethrower effect has a huge decrease in quality. Before it was one of the most realistic flamethrower effects I’ve ever seen in a game. And now it looks like a free asset off an asset store that they just slapped on. Huge disappointment
I'm hoping that the "surprises" they are talking about will be revealed similar to how the shriekers and attack ships were
There's that spore cloud floating around near Socorro III. I'm wondering if we're going to get some additional surprises out of that...
We're* suppose to dive into hell, load me up like I'm the Doom Guy.
they are banning anyone who uses the feedback form to give them the criticism that they deserve
did they accidently used the wrong emoji?
Just noticed something. The trailer fire effects were done pre nerf!!! They hid this on purpose. If they'd shown what was planned, the fallout would have been near instant.
A word of advice, dont use phrases like "we'll loop back around to this." This cringe ass corporate jargon makes me want to claw my eyes out, and i know im not the only one.
13:32 SUPRISE!!! WE NURFED THE FLAME THROWER!! 🎉 wait why is everyone leaving?
“My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined”.
Nerf upon nerf upon nerf you need to buff other shit that’s why people gravitate towards specific weapons it’s not hard to understand
Who is the person at arrowhead that actually does the nerfs?. Someone has to be doing it and they need to be fired
Insane how the old fire effect actually looked more realistic, while the new one seems like a classic video game fire effect with choppy animations.
The arrowhead devs really have not learned anything from the mistakes of Helldivers 1
Arrowhead slowly destroyed everyone’s faith in them
Not only that but when the game was struggling the most they took summer vacation?? Genius idea
And what is the first thing they do when they come back? Nerf flame weapons 😭
Why don’t they just buff the weapons instead of nerfing them, I mean they obviously have the resources for that, don’t they?
Because you should be using your stratagems more instead of trying to brute force every mission with your small arms only like some kind of masochist.
@@yomammasaurusrex9571dumbass you want everyone to exclusively use meta stratagems too? How can I spam orbital cannon and what's the point of my ens strike when my guns don't kill anything in less than 2 mags?
@@yomammasaurusrex9571 Idiot. Literally copy and pasting the same message on most comments commenting on the poor balancing.
My game crashed at the very end of my game last night when the pelican was landing and lost all samples which had me hoping off for the night because it's just frustrating
Damn man sorry to hear that, it’s always a pain when it’s at the end. o7
If you notice the new clips of the new flame thrower killing chargers butts,
its clearly simple when its a controlled test environment,
with out the chaos,
that 3 bemoth chargers with the trash mobs coming out of a breach and along with other players
Just like the driving eat shoot to the leg, simple, with all that going on
#returnflamethower #fixantitank
Arrowhead adding a new difficulty and thinks it's a good idea to nerf flamethrowers and the Incendiary Breaker
Balancing issues, well I played lol a lot and Im immune to those dramas. BUT, for the love of people stop complaining about devs not playing well the game. You can be a 3D modeler or whatever topic non related to gameplay. Its easy to say devs but devs can be very different in their work from one to another.
Now, I didn't watch the stream so maybe some devs were in fact just dumb about the fact that crouching removes flames but hey context and nuance please.
I have to say tough that you are mentionning the good stuff and thank you for that really. I couldn't play this game for months because of a poor pc.
I just bought the game two weeks ago and can finally play and its as amazing as on all the videos I watched. And now I just see complaints everywhere and Im just worried about the community for a game I just so much enjoy.
I just hope the game won't die cause it's amazing 🙏
The fact that IB is probably still the best bug gun after a nerf just goes to show how bad the others weapons really are in comparison.
Yeah, that's the most damning thing of it all. That even post getting a third of it's already limited ammo supply lopped off, IB remains the best tool for the job, while nothing that's supposed to compete with it got even a tiny attempt to buff them.