I love me the Marth Archetype: Sigurd (Horse Marth) Seliph (Marth 2.0) Roy (Red Marth) Hector (Armor Marth) Chrom (Future Marth) Lucina (Marth) Marth (Mask Marth)
My first encounter with the "Navarre Archetype" was as follows: "How well will you die?" "Be silent" "You're not a warrior" Lon'qu was amazing. And yes, I consider him a Navarre archetype, for the fact that he was a Ferrox warrior who comes to your side after beating his boss's forces.
I find it really weird that the Wiki puts Ashnard, Garon, Hardin and Vigarde under the Rudolf Archtype category. Rudolfs should actually be honorable man with a great ideal and a secret goal. Rudolf wasnt even a bad guy but a man who sacrifised everything so Alm could fullfill the prophecy. But Ashnard is just a psycho and Garon, Vigarde and Hardin are no longer themselves. Really weird.
Ashnard had ideals but obviously was mad. The archetype itself can be simplified down to the big bad king, the specifics are really just qualities that make each one "unique"
Ashnard was pretty much crazy from the get go, he only had the emblem until Petrine handed it to him. Granted he similairy to Ike saw problems with how Tellius functions but his way of achieving his ideal world were twisted as they come
Except his support with Peri, because it's Peri. She bends everyone to her will and gets away with it. Say what you want about Charlotte but at least she doesn't kill people over trivial matters and has some depth to her.
Personally, I don't hate Peri. She doesn't "bend people to her will", that's Charlotte! Peri just unfortunately doesn't know any better, and because she's childish, she'll just throw a temper tantrum if things don't go her way; I feel like Xander knows this and this is the reason he treats her the way he does in their supports. Speaking of Xander, his reason for not wanting to believe Xander is an absolute monster is because family is the most important thing to him. You see, he knew the old Garon and believed that there had to be some good reason to justify his actions and that the old Garon could somehow be brought back; it's also the reason he reacts SO badly to the avatar joining Hoshido/not choosing to support either side: he does NOT like the thought of betraying one's own family. That being said, it is extremely clear that Garon had become a monster; we actually see what became of him in Conquest. The only reason I think that people hate this part of Xander so much is because we don't get to see what Garon used to be like for ourselves, but rather are told about it by other characters that did know the way he used to be, and truthfully, it's rather tragic, really. I mean, yeah, I would've wanted to get the chance to see the way Garon once was with my own eyes and feel it's a big missed opportunity; I just wish people would stop being so salty about it and blaming it for wrecking Xander's character, when really, that's not the case at all. Think of it this way: how would YOU feel if someone YOU loved started behaving the way Garon did, and how badly would YOU want to see them hopefully one day go back to their old selves again?
I think scarlet is supposed to be the Minerva of fire emblem fates she wears the red armor/wyvern rider and is of nohrian birth but fights against her country.
Mariokemon Nope, Cheve is a part of Nohr. Scarlet leads a rebellion against Nohrian oppression, not an invasion. I think you may be thinking of Cyrkensia, where the opera house is
+Kaiju Sensei: Except for the fact that she's actively fighting against Nohr when you first see her. Most Minervas are loyal to their countries when you first see them.
Didn't notice they fall under this til I realize Boey is in a dark green robe and Mae has a red breastplate. They are a more lowkey example since their hair is of different colors and their promoted forms don't reflect the green/red color motif.
iNowi Nah that's not went down. The gods were decaying and Rudolf saw the signs for that so he became the enemy for the people to rise against without the gods help. Alm was one of the branded, destined heroes who'll save Valentia. Because of that Rudolf knew his son would become the hero Valentia needed. There's parts the story falls but this isn't one.
Nope The brand was set up to be apart of a PROPHECY that everyone including Rudolf knows of. It's fine and that manga keeps the same shit especially with Rudolf being Alm's father.
Никита Кривко Well if that's enough to qualify as a Gharnef, he is apparently one. I don't see him as one honestly. Lyon, as a character, is just not evil and it's wasn't his plan to reawaken the Demon King.
I really like that FE has all these archetypes, it feels like the series has it's own mythology. Archetypes are not a bad thing, it's actually the other way around, they're very natural and different cultures have had their own archetypes through history.
OBJECTION! Well, sort of, The "Pegasus Sisters" trope DID appear loosely in Awakening, but was subverted in several ways; The characters (Sumia, Cordelia, and Phila) were friends rather than sisters who met by being in the same unit, and you never get the Triangle Attack because Gangrel murders Phila. But it still kinda works? A little bit? Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe?
Well actually....there's technically Cormag and his bro in Ephraim's game! :) other than that I can't think of any more Wyvern bros in FE. sadly enough his brother....well.....let's... leave it at that.
Camilla and Faye are far less creepy than Tharja though, and tbh none of these 3 characters are similar to each other at all other than being into the main character
These videos are really cool, and whenever I get re-addicted to Fire Emblem I always come back and watch them all. I have seen most of them all before but its still great to throw on while playing. Thanks man!
...Did you seriously just switch the descriptions for the Cain and Abel archetypes? Abel is supposed to be the level-headed serious one and Cain is the overly passionate and slightly more playful character. Other than that, nice list as always!
Eh, it flip-flops. I think it mostly sides with what he describes though. i.e. FE1,3,4,7,13,14. That's seven consistent nice guy versus serious guy comparisons.
the red knight tends to be serious while the green knight tends to be laidback, but it can be flexible. in fact, lukas and forsyth make the only example where one is laidback and sensible while another is serious and colorful, as opposed to others being serious and sensible or laidback and colorful
very mad guy in Fates' case, Kaze and Saizo are both serious, but Kaze tends to be more naive and trusting, while Saizo is (ironically) very jaded and cynical, with rage issues if he can't calm himself. Though that's partly due to Saizo actively protecting Kaze's innocence (well, innocent relative as a ninja) and hiding things that may upset his brother. While one is stil a hothead (literally), they're both usually the straight man and serious. It's a good way of integrating in character their different class than most christmas duos
“It’s no shock that the power hungry sorcerer would exist in this universe. Yes it’s not very original, but then again nothing is these days” That last sentence makes me laugh 😂🤣
+Tori Vela: Actually, that archetype would likely be called either "Celica" or "Deirdre", considering the plot importance and the role as a lord's love interest. And you might as well throw Robin in there too, for the same reason.
If masked marth ( has anyone not played awakining) wasn't there in awakining lon'qu would of been an enemy therefore he would of been a Navarre WTH Masked marth
Yes, while he is not a enemy at first because of Lucina interfering with time he would have been the one to fight Chrom instead so technically he is part of the Navarre archetype. Then there's also the fact he carries a Killing Edge which is a staple weapon for them with a few exceptions.
i always thought the archetype was split between gaius and lon'qu in awakening. gaius is the early game recruitable enemy while lon'qu is the myrmidon with killing edge
@@wolfox7776 well, both are the quirky rogue archetype, who have deeper reasons than just being a thief, and are actually a noble thief when the situation calls for it. Whereas Lon'qu and Navarre are both the crit-dealing swordsmen who have a rough exterior and don't quite know how to do this human interaction thing comfortably
When I saw the video title in my feed, I thought this might be one of my favorite Blazing Knight videos so far. I'm not disappointed. I'm a fan of the Cain/Abel archetype, as well as the Minerva-esque wyvern rider. I'm not sure if it's an archetype per se, but the "third" cavalier who is tankier has also always had a soft spot for me (Lowen, Treck, etc)
I agree with the Minerva archetype on the number 1 spot. You should do videos such as top ten mages or top ten archers. Loves your videos, can’t wait to watch more
I wonder if Python and Sonya would make it to the lists for just their characterization since Python has low skill growth and Sonya's competition can be a dread fighter soon.
Doodlebug Four I think Sonya could potentially make it if he does the list, I think she is a pretty interesting character even if she has deen as her competition.
I see you're using Wikia as the basis. It's OK. But let me just explain... something. In Fire Emblem community, you'll find a lot who say discussing archetypes are pointless. However, I find it fascinating so it's all good. Second, there are other sites, like TV Tropes, that defined archetypes differently than Wikia. For instance, the Rudolf archetype is called Hardin instead (at least until Hardin himself got a brand new definition of villains that were possessed), and the Jagen archetype is split further into Jagen, Oifey and... Eyvel. 'Jeorge' refers to two things there: in addition of the 'disguised noble', it also has the definition of 'mid-game souped up archer'. There's also Linde being designated as 'female mage whose family member got murdered by the bad guys and like to pair up with Merric', Gordin as early archer, Draug as early armor knight, and even 'skirt-chasing guys' or 'girls with bad case of unrequited love'. It's... diverse, to say the least. Both sites has differing opinions about what constitutes as an archetype or not, and even some youtubers find some new personal archetypes. Even Orson (the traitor guy) Still, nothing wrong with taking cues from the Wikia. Good job!
Fantastic list BlazingKnight, very well informed and hints of clever humour, well done! Just a personal opinion, I do feel that Xander on the Fates Birthright path did not come very close to what was depicted in his support conversations or in the Fates Conquest path but I do see a bit of reason in his actions and behaviour. Maybe if Garon was fleshed out a bit more as a complex/tragic figure maybe we, as the player, could understand Xander’s devotion to him and why he is willing to put so much on the line to defend his country. Oh well, there’s give and take in this situation, maybe Intelligent Systems can fix it if they decide to have a Fates remake in 10 years.
Honestly, Iago could very well be considered a Gharnef since he did try to resurrect a dragon in Birthright and his personality matches the archetype too
Though he's the Kempf archetype. Think Micahlis if you took out ALOT of his sympathetic parts and you have the Kempf. Mixed with the Jiol who is a high ranking noble who THINK their more important then they actually are and are antagonistic to the main Lord from the start. Since technically HANS fits the Kempf being an irredeemable hired help who was a threat early on to the Lord. Similar to how Narcian WOULD have beaten Roy if he dealt with him sooner and Perceivel was the only reason he failed the first time when he DID comfort Roy when he wasn't ready for him. If not for Gunter. Hans WOULD have killed Corrin at the valley
Heh, I called the #1 right as I saw this video. My own favourites include... Jagen: Yes, the classic style. Sometimes with Oifeys, they tend to end up TOO good; Seth and Titania, for instances. Pure Jagens, however, fit their specific role perfectly without being broken. Gunter is my favourite of these (even if he only truly counts in Revelation) Cain and Abel: One of the most reliable ones around, almost always I end up with one or even both of these as a mainstay in my army. My favourites are Sain and Kent, and Oscar and Kieran. I generally prefer the Abel's, FTR. Camus: Probably the most interesting villain archetypes in the games, helps you remember not everyone on the opposing side is just an enemy to cut down. My favourites are either Camus himself, or Lloyd Reed (whom I feel counts even if the wiki doesn't) Ogma: I've always liked Mercenaries more the Myrmidons, so naturally I prefer this archetype. My favourite is probably Saber, and maybe Holyn/Chulainn. Merric: Ah, the early wind mages. This one has Soren, my favourite non-Lord in the whole series, so I can't leave this one out, can I? Maria: Like Blazing Knight, I almost always prefer these to the Lena's, with the one exception, funny enough, being the characters these archetypes. My favourite's either Lachiesis, Priscilla, or Elise. Minerva: Wyvern Knights are one of my favourite classes (my top 5 being them, Paladins, Troubadours, Mercenaries, and Dark Mages), so naturally I tend to like these. The original, Miledy, Heath, Cormag, Jill and Haar, Camilla... hard to really choose a favourite. Malledus: The tactician is often one of my favourite characters in an FE game. There's the aforementioned Soren, of course, but Lewyn and Robin are not too far off.
Because he isn't initially an enemy that you have to talk to in order to recruit him. It's pretty clear that Lon'qu is a callback to Navarre otherwise though.
I'd still count Lon'qu as a Navarre archetype with his class and the killing edge but unlike the others he's just given to you lol Hopefully he's just an exception to the rule.
I do like the Navarre archetype the most, since they are usually an aloof and badass unit. You know that they can mow down a section of the battlefield on their own! Plus, since they can kind of be a little antisocial, watching them interact with the other units can be really interesting.
Personally I always liked Mycen from Echo's. Sure his stats aren't balls to the walls nuts, but I love his design especially the look of his armour and his relationship with Alm and Celica was touching especially considering the whole having no family himself thing so I always bring him along at the end of that game.
Oscar has always interested me because he technically fills two archetypal roles. He is both the Abel, and the Oldest Pegasus sibling. A lot of people never consider it since they're not the same classes as each other or even Pegasus classes, but Oscar, Boyd, and Rolf are the sibling trio archetype. Though I would probably switch Boyd and Rolf for personality roles, since Rolf is a lot quicker to stress and very timid, and Boyd's pretty. . . Exuberant. I also found your use of Lukas and Forsyth as a Cain/Able example reslly interesting, since Lukas is the kindhearted and calm, but simultaneously cold and calculating one, and Forsyth is the exuberant and boisterous one with grandiose dreams of becoming a knight. Esoecially since both Lukas and Python play similar roles when playing off of Forsyth. I also like how Celica has her own set in Mae and Boey.
The problem I feel with Birthright-Xander or Birthright in general is that, they tried really hard to mirror the story from one side to the other imo. So the controversies with characters are a thing. For example (some heavy spoilers ahead): In Chapter 25-26 The eldest brother has to be killed by Corrin. In the case of Ryoma I felt it was really sad and a hard moment in the story. But in the case for Xander... well you already know it. I love Conquest-Xander tho. Great videos as always :D
Hey, BK, I know you hate Corrin with a passion (the feeling is not mutual, though), but I'm pretty sure you'll like her more in Fire Emblem Warriors. I have to say, her conversations with Lianna and Robin were really good, especially with Robin (it was surprisingly deep). Hard to say which Archetype is my favorite, but I know one archetype the series desperately needs, especially as a main character: the bad boy a.k.a. the rebel.
Some false archetypes are in the video. Lyon is not a Gharnef archetype, he's the "betrayal" or "good guy who got possesed by something or become evil" archetype.
SaltyLuigi let's see... Actively evil at the time of the game, highly skilled dark magic user, actively trying to resurrect an evil god who would ravage the world... sounds like the atchetype to me. Now, sure, a (more) sympathetic subversion as opposed to the more evil versions, but still fits.
@@Kairnestar Actually, Lyon differs from which path you take. He doesn't seek power for the sake of power, he wants it to prevent a calamity from engulfing the entirety of the Grado region. He actively tries to minimize casualties while also hiring madman so that they won't question his orders of breaking the stones
@@todd2.08 I mean, yes, he has his sympathetoc tones, but let's not let that get in tbe way of the fact he's an evil mage trying to resurrect an evil god. Good intentions be damned. Gharnef was once a promising student. They crossed the wrong lines trying to validate their own existences (Gharnef for jealousy and thirst for power, Lyon because he saw himself as being too weak and unfit to rule, in which he was right for the wrong reasons), and let that ambition warp them too far.
I don't really know if this is a FE archetype, but I really like it when a character thinks something like the wyverns or risen are cute. I think Cherche from Awakening has this personality and it's always been a favorite in any game or show I've seen
I like this video. The one archetype that gets overlooked the most is the Est archetype. I don't think anyone talks about it. I have fun using them in combat and character is their major excelling point. Making them somehow my favorite archetype by far. Camus archetype is my 2nd favorite due to their devotion to their homeland. Even if it means death. Why did Fates ruin Xander's character? He fits the archetype in supports he has but the story made him poorly written. But hey, what could go worst? These two archetype are my favorites.
Personally, the Camus archetype is my favourite. I can't help but have a ton of respect for these types of villains, as they clearly have a good heart, but they still fight on because they HAVE to, not because they WANT to. So whenever I have to kill them, I do feel pretty bad since I really don't want to, and that personally makes them all the more respectable for me.
I'm surprised Lon'qu isn't considered a Navarre. sure you get him for free instead of him being an enemy unit but literally everything else about him checks out, and that's more than can be said for most of the characters considered to fit the Maria archetype
Great post and all but i'd like to play the devil's advocate here. The Jagen and Oifey split honestly makes no sense to me whatsoever. People make the distinction by saying "Oifey's are Jagen's but good," which is one of the most inaccurate claims i've ever heard. If you need a couple of examples, many claim that Seth from FE8 is an Oifey as apposed to FE11 Jagen, who is a "true Jagen." But is there a noticable difference between the two? Not really. They are both the most powerful unit of your starting roster, have access to powerful silver weapons, and are relevant for about 22 chapters or so (with and without growths). Now compare FE11!Jagen to say Oifey from FE4 who has his uses, but is ultimately sidelined in favor of better gen 2 units such as Seliph, Ares, and Leif. The lack of holy weapons (Leif has the rescue staff which gives him utility outside of combat), as well as rather mediocre starting weaponry ultimately sets him back behind FE11!Jagen. Now one counterexample is usually never enough, so I draw attention towards another "Oifey" in the form of Arran from Book 2 (who has the option of starshards which boost growth rates.) Sadly, despite the fact that many of his growths can be pushed beyond 50-60%, he is considered the weakest early prepromote in the series. Contrast that with Dagda, who comes from a game with similar growth boosting mechanics, and the difference is quite noticeable. Dagda is relevant even in endgame thanks to his crazy bases and charge. I would bring up some examples from Berwick Saga, but it's hard to contextualize bases and growths in that game, but I digress. In short, the Oifey archetypes aren't strictly better than the Jagen archetype, and "true Jagens" have shown to extend their usefulness throughout the entire game. As such, I kinda feel that the "Oifey" archetype means nothing and should be done away with. That's just my 2cents. Still enjoyed the watch.
Tbh I consider Jagen and Oifey one archetype as most of the time, no Jagens really "fall behind", since lul all of the Jagens are fucking awesome as units. Also WAAAAAAAAARD
literally every Jagen is high tier in their respective games, with the only exception I can actually think of being FE3!Arran who is marred more by the fact that everyone and their mom can use silvers (except lul seventh platoon), as well as a relatively mediocre class.
I know. I highly disagree with the reasoning on the Wiki being because he only shows up in one chapter and is motivated partially by fear of what Gangrel will do to him. The guy was still honorable, respected Emmeryn, cared about his men, and willingly stood his ground to the end for the sake of them. He's definitely a Camus in my book.
Alva and Cain are debatably switchable with Orsin and Halvan, who could be the C&A or the Bord and Cord. They seem more like those Roshea and Vyland Cavaliers that everyone doesn't like. Regardless, I'm always glad to see more content from you in my Subscriptions Edit: Also, Dagdar could have a go at Oifey, according to most. Edit2: -Travant did nothing wrong though- Edit 3: Zeiss capped strength at base in Fe6 last playthrough. Just seeing that made me smile
Wouldn't Lissa count as a Maria, too? She's a Royal, has a sibling, is a healer (though not that dodgy), all she seems to be missing is the horse while healing
I completely agree with your love for the Minerva archetype and the assertion that Jill is the best example of it! Jill is my favorite female Fire Emblem character of all.
This rocked and I love you as always. When you added the Oifey additional bullet-points on top of the Jagens', you changed the 'Y' in early into a 'G' by mistake. Lettin' ya know while it's still earlg after release.
Blazingknight, Abel is actually an odd case. Abel is an Abel in one game, but Abel is much more of an Est in FE 3/12 (more 12, since his growths are the same in FE 3). Abel is actually quite interesting (if only I could say that about Cain....)
Nice video. The Maria archetype never personally stood out to me, mainly because Maria herself never stood out to me and I just don't associate the other characters with the Maria archetype. I have to say I am surprised no one has mentioned the Merric archetype. It has a basic template of the wind mage, but it has given us characters like Boey and Soren.
I find it hard to distinguish between Lena and Maria, it feels like Lena is the missing Macedonian royal sibling because of how near identical they are. Maria doesn't feel like the snobby prissy type to me, same goes for Elise the cinnabun roll. I find it interesting that in FE6&7 the starting Clerics and Troubadours have their personalities swapped. Serra becomes the snobby (but still hilarious) one while Priscilla is the sweetheart, in contrast to Elen and Clarine. I started with Fates, so when I see that Kaze and Saizo being part of the archetype named after the Biblical siblings I initially assumed that ALL Cains and Abels are brothers. Then again most of them have a brother-like relationship anyways (Cain and Abel, Sain and Kent). Really dig Camus and wished that he serves as an archrival to Marth of sorts, though he's pretty close. His coolness is probably what saved him from "death" and appear in FE3 and be a good guy, just like Michalis. All while Hardin, a close ally to Marth in FE1 took their role as a prominent villain instead. Also Finn should be a Jagenoifey in FE5. I wonder who is older: Tana or Vanessa? But functionally Tana feels like the youngest and hippiest of the FE8 pegasus trio. Speaking of which, Fates has more than enough Pegasus units but none of them fits into the archetype (the all siblings aspect goes out of the window by FE8/9/10). I guess Hinoka can be a Catria and Reina as the Palla, but they don't have the Est pegasus.
Great video. There really were some good archtypes, but which was my favorite? Well its hard to say, but I think because Swordmaster is my favorite class I like the Navarre archtype- Justin
I don't agree that tana is like est. I know that you didn't mean that she was eat archetype, but she doesn't act like a little sister at all and seems much more badass than the other Pegasus riders in the game
She gets captured a second time on Ephraim's Route. But he is right Tana is super optimistic and happy compared to her brother and literally only hopes to be of use to them even just a little which is usually a lot since they have always dominated for my playthroughs.
So when Eirika arrives near Friela chapter 2 she taken hostage at the keep saying she was waiting on Eirika to arrive. if you continue as Eirika no she doesn't get captured she just chases after you. Since you aren't rushing into enemy territory or so you think.
So based on fire emblem 3 houses, Mercedes is the Maria archetype Felix is the navarree archetype The solon and the slither in the dark group is the gharnef archetype And I guess edelgard is the Rudolf archetype. And would the death knight be a camus?
To me personally, Camilla falls under the Trash Character archetype along with characters like Tharja, most of Fates's cast, and Faye, but one person's trash is another person's Minerva I guess Nice video by the way dude
For fates characters, I like most of the Hoshido units except for Rhajat ans Selkie, ans for Nohr I like Beruka, Benny, Forrest and Keaton. I also like Shura, Silas, Jakob and Izana
1 of the archetype i'm really disappointed in is the Michalis archetype. the first 2 members of this archetype, Michalis and Trabant, were amazing characters. but after that the archetype went downhill. Michalis didn't like how his country was a puppet state wasting its resources at Archanea's whim so he killed his father and took the throne. 3 years after being defeated his sister was dethroned in a coup d'etat, implying that when it comes to the prosperity of his own country maybe he was right. Trabant was king of a mountainous kingdom with little fertile soil. to make a better future for his people he was willing to do whatever it took. it's even implied that he held back in his final battle, dying on purpose as part of his plan to improve his kingdom. unfortunately, as i said, the archetype went downhill after these 2. Narcian was irredeemable scum. the guy from Blazing Sword was so unremarkable that i don't remember his name. and finally there's Valter and Gangrel who are both violent psychopaths who want to cause as much suffering as they can just for the fun of it.
Not completely Leo kind of counts under this archetype but only during birth right where he's an enemy that can't be recruited. The one thing you also can't forget with this archetype is that he supposed to be the opposite of Camus yet similar only in a different shade of Honor because of his patriotism to his kingdom and Country, and that his actions were largely motivated for his kingdom survival and prosperity then really just power for the sake of power. Basically he's the Black Knight to Camus "White Knight". Berkut was a "Michalis" in that even if he was an arrogant smug bastard with a superiority complex toward commoners common he did have good intentions when it came to his kingdom and did have his redeemable parts that's the part people almost forget what this archetype, though everything went horribly wrong of course which is another thing that comes with this archetype. In the case of Leo let's also add the bonus points that Camilla kind of counts as the Minerva archetype you know since both archetypes are siblings though it's kind of opposite being that Camilla is Leo's older sister , and they have a close relationship. But she's only that archetype during Revelations, starting out early as an enemy and then turning into an ally later. Birthright she's kind of the dark action chick only sympathetic compared to the others who fit that archetype like Sonia. But yeah it's at least good that archetype got used again. Don't honestly I think it was used again during the tellius games, one referring to is zelgius the Black Knight. Who was actually a mix of him and Camus, in that he did have his honorable side and did have his good qualities and did have good intentions and what he was trying to do but he admits some of his darker traits as well especially when it comes to his former master and his former master's son, showing that he is kind of arrogant you see that a lot when he's under the Black Knight persona. Funny enough when you think about it, you're left wondering which is his true personality, when he's the Black Knight or when he's not. To me his true personality is at the end when he's both when he's no longer hiding under the Black Knight identity, basically you get his true blue personality around the last time you deal with him when he Reveals His true identity to Ike. Plus you do get to play as him only in select Maps but yeah you get to play as him just like with the to mention archetypes. That's why I consider BK his own unique archetype, wall at the same time being a mix of two that were meant to be opposites of each other yet the same. But yeah I agree I do love that archetype you mention. Because I do like the bad guy who does have evil traits but also has good virtues. Because as much as Minerva was angry at her brother for murdering their father, I can't say his decision wasn't wrong his father was blindly keeping his loyalty to an Empire that had shown itself to be completely incompetent and his decision had he not murdered and replaced him would have seen their country destroyed. The only real major negative is how he treated his sister Maria in order to control Minerva, but he does redeem himself by Saving his sister and of course the fact that Maria never gave up on him even when Minerva did, and logically she should have hated him just as much as Minerva. Plus without him Marth would have been s*** out of luck in the finale
Cool job man. Personally I'm still sorta new to Fire Emblem(Only playing Lyn's game(can't remember if its Bind or Blaze) Sacred, Awakening, Fates Conquest & Rev( if your going to ask BR its in the crash pit.) & planning to get the Switch for Warriors(& Odyessy) The ones that stood out to me was Galisps, Maria, Cain & Abel, Murdock, Fredrick, & Minerva archetypes. Keep up the awesome work man.
You know, I've been doing some thinking, which got me to return to this video. For the Cain & Abel archetypes, it's pretty clear they're the Mario & Luigi of Fire Emblem (especially with Saizo & Kaze) - I mean, hello, red & green. As for the Navarre archetype, I think that archetype has gone on to other games outside of Fire Emblem in creating their own variations of it. For instance, Guilty Gear has Sol Badguy, and BlazBlue has Ragna the Bloodedge. I think both of these characters are definitely inspired by Navarre in one way or another - they wear red, use powerful swords for fighting, and have brooding personalities that make them beyond antisocial, despite being the main heroes (though in terms of Guilty Gear, I suppose you could say Baiken somewhat also falls into a similar category; same with Jin in BlazBlue). Heck, in some case, Dante from Devil May Cry is kind of a Navarre archetype, though instead of brooding, he's fun-loving and a real awesome guy despite being half-demon (yeah, there's DmC Dante, but... We don't talk about that).
In Three Houses (only played Blue Lions): Gangrel Archetype 10: Thales even though it's not a dragon Gotoh Archetype 09: Gilbert, but I still don't like him Pegasus Sisters Archetype 08: No pegasus trio sadly, only Ingrid is the most canonic-like pegasus knight in Three Houses Rudolf Archetype 07: Edelgard and kinda Rhea Cain & Abel Archetype 06: Sylvain & Felix or Catherine & Shamir Maria Archetype 05: Flayn, this mint gum heals me with love Navarre Archetype 04: Felix like he looks the part Oifey Archetype 03: Dedue, seriously he's so good even though he comes back halfway in Azure Moon Camus Archetype 02: It depends on each house I guess. I think any student that you didn't recruit Minerva Archetype 01: Edelgard (if you play Black Eagles)
I know I havent been keeping up with the lets plays super well but, did you ever upload the final chapter of Blazing Sword? I have been playing along as I watch the episodes and I relize you went on to the bonus episodes without uploading the final. If you made an announcement about that I probably missed it.
ever since i picked up my first fire emblem game in 2008 (shadow dragon) my favorite character that now seeing this was an archetype was always Minerva shes the most underrated and beautiful characters ever i love fire emblem so much the good and the bad but my #1 is always and will always be minerva shes perfect to me and her story and stats and armor everything is perfect Team Minerva Forever!
7:52 lol, nope. The only natural Pegasus knight in three houses was Ingrid. And she was so badass, she didn’t need two sisters to make a triangle attack.
I kinda find it funny that the Cain/Abel archetype has the claim that the Cains are generally serious and focused while the Abels are generally laid-back and easygoing, since that generally flip-flops between games and the originals were the hot-blooded Cain and serious Abel, comparatively. Tana also isn't related to Vanessa/Syrene (if they were related, that'd make the Vanessa/Innes endings awkward...), and none of the Tellius pegasus units are directly related to each other, either. Minor nitpick, but it does make the whole "Pegasus Sisters" idea a commonly used choice rather than a hard rule (as compared to Pegasus Trio in general).
Omg i thought i was the only one who liked Sully OAO. (It's not that people hate her, she's just ignored and underrated and her child unit is VERY underrated in my opinion, i officially call Sully "man wife" XD)
15:29 what are you talking about? Apart from Revelation, Fates absolutely did that, even going literal with black and white. At best Nohr is just a very dark grey, but Garon seeks to paint it blacker than midnight.
I love me the Marth Archetype:
Sigurd (Horse Marth)
Seliph (Marth 2.0)
Roy (Red Marth)
Hector (Armor Marth)
Chrom (Future Marth)
Lucina (Marth)
Marth (Mask Marth)
Taxi Knight Hector is a Marth? Okay..
Jedy Zichterman
Everyone is a Marth
Except Alm
You forget
Ike (Mercenary marth)
Lyn (Female marth)
Elliwood (weak marth)
JK
Alm: Green Marth
My first encounter with the "Navarre Archetype" was as follows:
"How well will you die?"
"Be silent"
"You're not a warrior"
Lon'qu was amazing. And yes, I consider him a Navarre archetype, for the fact that he was a Ferrox warrior who comes to your side after beating his boss's forces.
And if it wasn't for Masked Marth, Lon'qu would've been the enemy boss of Chapter 4 and then he would be a perfect fit for the archetype.
I think Felix and Lon'qiu are my favorite Navarre archetypes.
Same here, meeting Lon’qu made me love those Navarres and Myridons and Swordmasters
It’s not the Cain and Able Archetype, it’s the Christmas knights
Nuttysboy That one guy No it’s Cain and Able last I cheek
@@Gachalover-pb3co It was a joke
@@Gachalover-pb3co its just a joke because red amd green
I find it really weird that the Wiki puts Ashnard, Garon, Hardin and Vigarde under the Rudolf Archtype category.
Rudolfs should actually be honorable man with a great ideal and a secret goal. Rudolf wasnt even a bad guy but a man who sacrifised everything so Alm could fullfill the prophecy.
But Ashnard is just a psycho and Garon, Vigarde and Hardin are no longer themselves.
Really weird.
Ashnard had ideals but obviously was mad. The archetype itself can be simplified down to the big bad king, the specifics are really just qualities that make each one "unique"
Asnard wasn't just a straight up crazy dude tho,the Emblem eventually corrupted him to the extreme of his ideals .
Ashnard was pretty much crazy from the get go, he only had the emblem until Petrine handed it to him. Granted he similairy to Ike saw problems with how Tellius functions but his way of achieving his ideal world were twisted as they come
"Pegasus sister trio"
>Half these girls aren't related
Doesn't boid, oscar, and Rolf fit the bill too
The Whitewings Archetype. There, are you happy?
"Alas I am a victim of Fates' shitty writing"- Xander 2017 18:12
Sad since his supports are actually written very well. It's like the main story and supports were done my different people.
Except his support with Peri, because it's Peri. She bends everyone to her will and gets away with it. Say what you want about Charlotte but at least she doesn't kill people over trivial matters and has some depth to her.
Personally, I enjoy all versions of fates.
Personally, I don't hate Peri. She doesn't "bend people to her will", that's Charlotte! Peri just unfortunately doesn't know any better, and because she's childish, she'll just throw a temper tantrum if things don't go her way; I feel like Xander knows this and this is the reason he treats her the way he does in their supports. Speaking of Xander, his reason for not wanting to believe Xander is an absolute monster is because family is the most important thing to him. You see, he knew the old Garon and believed that there had to be some good reason to justify his actions and that the old Garon could somehow be brought back; it's also the reason he reacts SO badly to the avatar joining Hoshido/not choosing to support either side: he does NOT like the thought of betraying one's own family. That being said, it is extremely clear that Garon had become a monster; we actually see what became of him in Conquest. The only reason I think that people hate this part of Xander so much is because we don't get to see what Garon used to be like for ourselves, but rather are told about it by other characters that did know the way he used to be, and truthfully, it's rather tragic, really. I mean, yeah, I would've wanted to get the chance to see the way Garon once was with my own eyes and feel it's a big missed opportunity; I just wish people would stop being so salty about it and blaming it for wrecking Xander's character, when really, that's not the case at all. Think of it this way: how would YOU feel if someone YOU loved started behaving the way Garon did, and how badly would YOU want to see them hopefully one day go back to their old selves again?
I think scarlet is supposed to be the Minerva of fire emblem fates she wears the red armor/wyvern rider and is of nohrian birth but fights against her country.
she's not Nohrian. Cheve is neutral
Mariokemon Nope, Cheve is a part of Nohr. Scarlet leads a rebellion against Nohrian oppression, not an invasion. I think you may be thinking of Cyrkensia, where the opera house is
+Kaiju Sensei: Except for the fact that she's actively fighting against Nohr when you first see her. Most Minervas are loyal to their countries when you first see them.
Everybody knows that Scarlet is a Hoshidan through and through anyways s/
Im pretty sure she gets hurt by Nohrian swamps, so, technically yes.
I like how some of the Cain & Abel archetypes wear Red and Green, akin to that of another famous pair of brothers...
And one C&A pair are actually brothers
Aubrey Westhusing "some"
Mario and Luigi
@@rupturedsky776 Good one XD
Finally some recognizing Mae and Boey as Cain and Abel
Didn't notice they fall under this til I realize Boey is in a dark green robe and Mae has a red breastplate. They are a more lowkey example since their hair is of different colors and their promoted forms don't reflect the green/red color motif.
Rudolf wasn’t a power hungry character, he did what he had to because he knew that Alm would save everyone. Good video btw
iNowi The manga is much better written.
iNowi well he didn’t predict, he saw the brand
iNowi Nah that's not went down. The gods were decaying and Rudolf saw the signs for that so he became the enemy for the people to rise against without the gods help. Alm was one of the branded, destined heroes who'll save Valentia. Because of that Rudolf knew his son would become the hero Valentia needed. There's parts the story falls but this isn't one.
Nope
The brand was set up to be apart of a PROPHECY that everyone including Rudolf knows of. It's fine and that manga keeps the same shit especially with Rudolf being Alm's father.
Nuibaba ヌイババ oh right,
Dat moment, when Blazingknight releases a new video and your life makes sense again. But Lyon being a Gharnef... Eh
Gaius, Thiefking of Ylisse he is though
-possessed by evil
-Startes the all the bad things happening in the story
-Fought in the end game
Yeah, Lyon is not a Gharnef...
Никита Кривко Well if that's enough to qualify as a Gharnef, he is apparently one. I don't see him as one honestly. Lyon, as a character, is just not evil and it's wasn't his plan to reawaken the Demon King.
I was suprised as well. Gharnef archetypes are usually pure evil, and Lyon seems to nice to be one
i think Reiv is more of the Garnef, but the wiki's staff currently says its Lyon
I really like that FE has all these archetypes, it feels like the series has it's own mythology. Archetypes are not a bad thing, it's actually the other way around, they're very natural and different cultures have had their own archetypes through history.
Lyon is a Harding, Riev is the Garnef
Give this man a cookie.
Actually, Reiv's an Ephidel. If there's anyone who's a Gharnef in FE8, it's Fomortiis.
+LittleAl016
No no no. Fomortiis isn't a Gharnef; it's a Medeus, as in the FINAL final boss, like Duma and Grima.
+Choice Snarf: Doesn't change the fact that Fomortiis is directly responsible for everything that happens in FE8.
First off, the emperor archetype is called the Rudolph, not the Hardin. Second, Vigarde is the Rudolph of that game.
OBJECTION! Well, sort of,
The "Pegasus Sisters" trope DID appear loosely in Awakening, but was subverted in several ways; The characters (Sumia, Cordelia, and Phila) were friends rather than sisters who met by being in the same unit, and you never get the Triangle Attack because Gangrel murders Phila. But it still kinda works? A little bit? Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe?
Fates has the Catria (Hinoka) and Palla (Reina) Pegasus Knight but not Est.
to quote Shiida from shadow dragon and the blade of light "in war women and children cry"
papermariottydfan1 Caeda*
actually no she is called Shiida in the UK version of shadow dragon so i am right your using the american name which i don't like
I Just had the best idea:
WYVERN BROTHERS!
Well actually....there's technically Cormag and his bro in Ephraim's game! :) other than that I can't think of any more Wyvern bros in FE. sadly enough his brother....well.....let's... leave it at that.
The closest thing we have to that are Dean and Eda from fe5, but they are brother and sister.
flipples nipples then that makes Cormag and Glen still the only Wyvern brothers so far....hopefully there will be more wyvern bros in future games!
Man the idea, gonna be fun.
Well miledy is a woman but with zeiss they can be called wybern brothers
Camilla is more like a tharja archetype for me. Obessed with the main character like faye or tharja
Camilla and Faye are far less creepy than Tharja though, and tbh none of these 3 characters are similar to each other at all other than being into the main character
These videos are really cool, and whenever I get re-addicted to Fire Emblem I always come back and watch them all. I have seen most of them all before but its still great to throw on while playing. Thanks man!
*sees this in sub box*
Welp, homework can wait
Same
SharpEyLogic sees this. See's homework.
"I don't need it. I don't need it. I don't need it.... *I NEED IT!* "
or dont do it lol
thankfully didnt have any
23:35 Its so strange hearing that chapter's actual name all that registers for me is "CHAPTER 10"
Si67 Wait, it has a name?
I only remember it as Chapter 10.
It's also knows as Blame Takumi
...Did you seriously just switch the descriptions for the Cain and Abel archetypes? Abel is supposed to be the level-headed serious one and Cain is the overly passionate and slightly more playful character. Other than that, nice list as always!
Eh, it flip-flops. I think it mostly sides with what he describes though. i.e. FE1,3,4,7,13,14. That's seven consistent nice guy versus serious guy comparisons.
the red knight tends to be serious while the green knight tends to be laidback, but it can be flexible. in fact, lukas and forsyth make the only example where one is laidback and sensible while another is serious and colorful, as opposed to others being serious and sensible or laidback and colorful
very mad guy in Fates' case, Kaze and Saizo are both serious, but Kaze tends to be more naive and trusting, while Saizo is (ironically) very jaded and cynical, with rage issues if he can't calm himself. Though that's partly due to Saizo actively protecting Kaze's innocence (well, innocent relative as a ninja) and hiding things that may upset his brother. While one is stil a hothead (literally), they're both usually the straight man and serious. It's a good way of integrating in character their different class than most christmas duos
I bet dancer is not on the list
too situational
Dancer isn't an archetype, it's a class
That's a class with different archetypes- shy/quiet characters loud/energetic characters important characters and what not
It's a inner joke from this channel, it wans't seriously
“It’s no shock that the power hungry sorcerer would exist in this universe. Yes it’s not very original, but then again nothing is these days”
That last sentence makes me laugh 😂🤣
'Some men just want to watch the world burn.'
*Ohohohoho talk to Surtr about that, he's literally fire.*
Ninian/mysterious dancer archetype is my favorite...
Ah yes all three of the units like her
Azura
Ninian
Nils
thats not the archetye. Ninian is a Jorge. A character who seems to be a simple traveler, but is actually plot important or royalty
Mariokemon I was kidding
missed the 2nd sentence
Mariokemon oh okay makes sense but it would be funny if the mysterious dancer thing became an archetype
+Tori Vela: Actually, that archetype would likely be called either "Celica" or "Deirdre", considering the plot importance and the role as a lord's love interest. And you might as well throw Robin in there too, for the same reason.
Seth should become a variation of the Jagen archetype.
- A unit that can solo the entire game
-It's easier to clear the game only using this unit
With an archetype like Cain & Abel... I'm always dreading that one might end up killing the other. *Looks over at Keiran & Saizo*
If masked marth
( has anyone not played awakining)
wasn't there in awakining lon'qu would of been an enemy therefore he would of been a Navarre
WTH Masked marth
Yes, while he is not a enemy at first because of Lucina interfering with time he would have been the one to fight Chrom instead so technically he is part of the Navarre archetype. Then there's also the fact he carries a Killing Edge which is a staple weapon for them with a few exceptions.
i always thought the archetype was split between gaius and lon'qu in awakening. gaius is the early game recruitable enemy while lon'qu is the myrmidon with killing edge
very mad guy gaius is more a Julian, tbh
@@Kairnestar don't you get Julian for free tho? I'd say Gaius and Lon'qu just traded archetypes
@@wolfox7776 well, both are the quirky rogue archetype, who have deeper reasons than just being a thief, and are actually a noble thief when the situation calls for it. Whereas Lon'qu and Navarre are both the crit-dealing swordsmen who have a rough exterior and don't quite know how to do this human interaction thing comfortably
When I saw the video title in my feed, I thought this might be one of my favorite Blazing Knight videos so far.
I'm not disappointed.
I'm a fan of the Cain/Abel archetype, as well as the Minerva-esque wyvern rider. I'm not sure if it's an archetype per se, but the "third" cavalier who is tankier has also always had a soft spot for me (Lowen, Treck, etc)
I agree with the Minerva archetype on the number 1 spot.
You should do videos such as top ten mages or top ten archers. Loves your videos, can’t wait to watch more
I wonder if Python and Sonya would make it to the lists for just their characterization since Python has low skill growth and Sonya's competition can be a dread fighter soon.
Doodlebug Four I think Sonya could potentially make it if he does the list, I think she is a pretty interesting character even if she has deen as her competition.
I see you're using Wikia as the basis. It's OK. But let me just explain... something.
In Fire Emblem community, you'll find a lot who say discussing archetypes are pointless. However, I find it fascinating so it's all good.
Second, there are other sites, like TV Tropes, that defined archetypes differently than Wikia. For instance, the Rudolf archetype is called Hardin instead (at least until Hardin himself got a brand new definition of villains that were possessed), and the Jagen archetype is split further into Jagen, Oifey and... Eyvel. 'Jeorge' refers to two things there: in addition of the 'disguised noble', it also has the definition of 'mid-game souped up archer'. There's also Linde being designated as 'female mage whose family member got murdered by the bad guys and like to pair up with Merric', Gordin as early archer, Draug as early armor knight, and even 'skirt-chasing guys' or 'girls with bad case of unrequited love'. It's... diverse, to say the least.
Both sites has differing opinions about what constitutes as an archetype or not, and even some youtubers find some new personal archetypes. Even Orson (the traitor guy)
Still, nothing wrong with taking cues from the Wikia. Good job!
This is a really underrated post, good on you.
Glad to finally know Tinni's archetype in FE4... she is a Linde but I wonder if Ced is a Merric?
The reason why Seth was so important in sacred stones is because you can't kill him.
Fantastic list BlazingKnight, very well informed and hints of clever humour, well done!
Just a personal opinion, I do feel that Xander on the Fates Birthright path did not come very close to what was depicted in his support conversations or in the Fates Conquest path but I do see a bit of reason in his actions and behaviour. Maybe if Garon was fleshed out a bit more as a complex/tragic figure maybe we, as the player, could understand Xander’s devotion to him and why he is willing to put so much on the line to defend his country. Oh well, there’s give and take in this situation, maybe Intelligent Systems can fix it if they decide to have a Fates remake in 10 years.
Honestly, Iago could very well be considered a Gharnef since he did try to resurrect a dragon in Birthright and his personality matches the archetype too
Though he's the Kempf archetype. Think Micahlis if you took out ALOT of his sympathetic parts and you have the Kempf. Mixed with the Jiol who is a high ranking noble who THINK their more important then they actually are and are antagonistic to the main Lord from the start. Since technically HANS fits the Kempf being an irredeemable hired help who was a threat early on to the Lord. Similar to how Narcian WOULD have beaten Roy if he dealt with him sooner and Perceivel was the only reason he failed the first time when he DID comfort Roy when he wasn't ready for him. If not for Gunter. Hans WOULD have killed Corrin at the valley
Heh, I called the #1 right as I saw this video.
My own favourites include...
Jagen: Yes, the classic style. Sometimes with Oifeys, they tend to end up TOO good; Seth and Titania, for instances. Pure Jagens, however, fit their specific role perfectly without being broken. Gunter is my favourite of these (even if he only truly counts in Revelation)
Cain and Abel: One of the most reliable ones around, almost always I end up with one or even both of these as a mainstay in my army. My favourites are Sain and Kent, and Oscar and Kieran. I generally prefer the Abel's, FTR.
Camus: Probably the most interesting villain archetypes in the games, helps you remember not everyone on the opposing side is just an enemy to cut down. My favourites are either Camus himself, or Lloyd Reed (whom I feel counts even if the wiki doesn't)
Ogma: I've always liked Mercenaries more the Myrmidons, so naturally I prefer this archetype. My favourite is probably Saber, and maybe Holyn/Chulainn.
Merric: Ah, the early wind mages. This one has Soren, my favourite non-Lord in the whole series, so I can't leave this one out, can I?
Maria: Like Blazing Knight, I almost always prefer these to the Lena's, with the one exception, funny enough, being the characters these archetypes. My favourite's either Lachiesis, Priscilla, or Elise.
Minerva: Wyvern Knights are one of my favourite classes (my top 5 being them, Paladins, Troubadours, Mercenaries, and Dark Mages), so naturally I tend to like these. The original, Miledy, Heath, Cormag, Jill and Haar, Camilla... hard to really choose a favourite.
Malledus: The tactician is often one of my favourite characters in an FE game. There's the aforementioned Soren, of course, but Lewyn and Robin are not too far off.
14:19 Omg I laughed so hard there XD and btw, why isn't Lon'qu a Navarre?
Because he isn't initially an enemy that you have to talk to in order to recruit him. It's pretty clear that Lon'qu is a callback to Navarre otherwise though.
Maybe in Lucina's timeline, but not really in game.
Technically you get him after beating his boss's soldiers, so you could say that makes him a Navarre.
The Dutchlander Cause he isn’t an enemy
I'd still count Lon'qu as a Navarre archetype with his class and the killing edge but unlike the others he's just given to you lol Hopefully he's just an exception to the rule.
I do like the Navarre archetype the most, since they are usually an aloof and badass unit.
You know that they can mow down a section of the battlefield on their own!
Plus, since they can kind of be a little antisocial, watching them interact with the other units can be really interesting.
Personally I always liked Mycen from Echo's. Sure his stats aren't balls to the walls nuts, but I love his design especially the look of his armour and his relationship with Alm and Celica was touching especially considering the whole having no family himself thing so I always bring him along at the end of that game.
*insert original "navarrechetype" comment here*
...did Caineghis just punch Ike for 50 damage?
Yay! I love Catria to bits so I’m glad she and her sisters are on the list
Oscar has always interested me because he technically fills two archetypal roles. He is both the Abel, and the Oldest Pegasus sibling. A lot of people never consider it since they're not the same classes as each other or even Pegasus classes, but Oscar, Boyd, and Rolf are the sibling trio archetype. Though I would probably switch Boyd and Rolf for personality roles, since Rolf is a lot quicker to stress and very timid, and Boyd's pretty. . . Exuberant.
I also found your use of Lukas and Forsyth as a Cain/Able example reslly interesting, since Lukas is the kindhearted and calm, but simultaneously cold and calculating one, and Forsyth is the exuberant and boisterous one with grandiose dreams of becoming a knight. Esoecially since both Lukas and Python play similar roles when playing off of Forsyth. I also like how Celica has her own set in Mae and Boey.
"Garon looks like he'll eat you!"
-Blazing Knight 2017
The problem I feel with Birthright-Xander or Birthright in general is that, they tried really hard to mirror the story from one side to the other imo. So the controversies with characters are a thing. For example (some heavy spoilers ahead): In Chapter 25-26 The eldest brother has to be killed by Corrin. In the case of Ryoma I felt it was really sad and a hard moment in the story. But in the case for Xander... well you already know it. I love Conquest-Xander tho. Great videos as always :D
"No winners, only losers" HOLY SHIT that is deep and hit hard!
Hey, BK, I know you hate Corrin with a passion (the feeling is not mutual, though), but I'm pretty sure you'll like her more in Fire Emblem Warriors. I have to say, her conversations with Lianna and Robin were really good, especially with Robin (it was surprisingly deep).
Hard to say which Archetype is my favorite, but I know one archetype the series desperately needs, especially as a main character: the bad boy a.k.a. the rebel.
Some false archetypes are in the video.
Lyon is not a Gharnef archetype, he's the "betrayal" or "good guy who got possesed by something or become evil" archetype.
So... Takumi and Orson?
and hardin
SaltyLuigi let's see... Actively evil at the time of the game, highly skilled dark magic user, actively trying to resurrect an evil god who would ravage the world... sounds like the atchetype to me. Now, sure, a (more) sympathetic subversion as opposed to the more evil versions, but still fits.
@@Kairnestar Actually, Lyon differs from which path you take. He doesn't seek power for the sake of power, he wants it to prevent a calamity from engulfing the entirety of the Grado region. He actively tries to minimize casualties while also hiring madman so that they won't question his orders of breaking the stones
@@todd2.08 I mean, yes, he has his sympathetoc tones, but let's not let that get in tbe way of the fact he's an evil mage trying to resurrect an evil god. Good intentions be damned. Gharnef was once a promising student. They crossed the wrong lines trying to validate their own existences (Gharnef for jealousy and thirst for power, Lyon because he saw himself as being too weak and unfit to rule, in which he was right for the wrong reasons), and let that ambition warp them too far.
Even though Xander has crappy writing he will still be one of my favorite fire emblem characters
I don't really know if this is a FE archetype, but I really like it when a character thinks something like the wyverns or risen are cute. I think Cherche from Awakening has this personality and it's always been a favorite in any game or show I've seen
Another good top ten list as usual Blazing Knight.
Great list I enjoy your videos a great deal. One change I would make for the michalis arch type. Valter from 8 would count as well.
I like this video. The one archetype that gets overlooked the most is the Est archetype. I don't think anyone talks about it. I have fun using them in combat and character is their major excelling point. Making them somehow my favorite archetype by far. Camus archetype is my 2nd favorite due to their devotion to their homeland. Even if it means death. Why did Fates ruin Xander's character? He fits the archetype in supports he has but the story made him poorly written. But hey, what could go worst? These two archetype are my favorites.
Personally, the Camus archetype is my favourite. I can't help but have a ton of respect for these types of villains, as they clearly have a good heart, but they still fight on because they HAVE to, not because they WANT to. So whenever I have to kill them, I do feel pretty bad since I really don't want to, and that personally makes them all the more respectable for me.
I'm surprised Lon'qu isn't considered a Navarre. sure you get him for free instead of him being an enemy unit but literally everything else about him checks out, and that's more than can be said for most of the characters considered to fit the Maria archetype
Great post and all but i'd like to play the devil's advocate here.
The Jagen and Oifey split honestly makes no sense to me whatsoever. People make the distinction by saying "Oifey's are Jagen's but good," which is one of the most inaccurate claims i've ever heard. If you need a couple of examples, many claim that Seth from FE8 is an Oifey as apposed to FE11 Jagen, who is a "true Jagen." But is there a noticable difference between the two? Not really. They are both the most powerful unit of your starting roster, have access to powerful silver weapons, and are relevant for about 22 chapters or so (with and without growths). Now compare FE11!Jagen to say Oifey from FE4 who has his uses, but is ultimately sidelined in favor of better gen 2 units such as Seliph, Ares, and Leif. The lack of holy weapons (Leif has the rescue staff which gives him utility outside of combat), as well as rather mediocre starting weaponry ultimately sets him back behind FE11!Jagen. Now one counterexample is usually never enough, so I draw attention towards another "Oifey" in the form of Arran from Book 2 (who has the option of starshards which boost growth rates.) Sadly, despite the fact that many of his growths can be pushed beyond 50-60%, he is considered the weakest early prepromote in the series. Contrast that with Dagda, who comes from a game with similar growth boosting mechanics, and the difference is quite noticeable. Dagda is relevant even in endgame thanks to his crazy bases and charge. I would bring up some examples from Berwick Saga, but it's hard to contextualize bases and growths in that game, but I digress.
In short, the Oifey archetypes aren't strictly better than the Jagen archetype, and "true Jagens" have shown to extend their usefulness throughout the entire game. As such, I kinda feel that the "Oifey" archetype means nothing and should be done away with. That's just my 2cents. Still enjoyed the watch.
Tbh I consider Jagen and Oifey one archetype as most of the time, no Jagens really "fall behind", since lul all of the Jagens are fucking awesome as units.
Also WAAAAAAAAARD
literally every Jagen is high tier in their respective games, with the only exception I can actually think of being FE3!Arran who is marred more by the fact that everyone and their mom can use silvers (except lul seventh platoon), as well as a relatively mediocre class.
Ziggy McDougal Also true
Why mustafa is not in the camus archetypes, other than that great video man
I know. I highly disagree with the reasoning on the Wiki being because he only shows up in one chapter and is motivated partially by fear of what Gangrel will do to him. The guy was still honorable, respected Emmeryn, cared about his men, and willingly stood his ground to the end for the sake of them. He's definitely a Camus in my book.
kcsupersonic1 A Camus is someone who's loyalty to their country has no bounds. Mustafa and his men were threatened to fight.
Weeaboo slayer bad day?
He is!
kcsupersonic1 But the Camus archetype does something in the plot and Mustafa doesn't.
A grade stuff Sir Knight! I can't wait for the weekend so I can just binge watch all your fire emblem videos! ^^
Alva and Cain are debatably switchable with Orsin and Halvan, who could be the C&A or the Bord and Cord. They seem more like those Roshea and Vyland Cavaliers that everyone doesn't like. Regardless, I'm always glad to see more content from you in my Subscriptions
Edit: Also, Dagdar could have a go at Oifey, according to most.
Edit2: -Travant did nothing wrong though-
Edit 3: Zeiss capped strength at base in Fe6 last playthrough. Just seeing that made me smile
Now I'm waiting for IS to merge the Cain and Abel and the Bord and Cord archetypes just for one game.
They sorta did in PoR. Boyd and Oscar are essentially Bord & Abel.
and here i thought you would run out of ideas soon
o how wrong i was and i love it your videos are the best
You missed L'Arachel for Maria archetype! She's funny!
Wouldn't Lissa count as a Maria, too? She's a Royal, has a sibling, is a healer (though not that dodgy), all she seems to be missing is the horse while healing
I completely agree with your love for the Minerva archetype and the assertion that Jill is the best example of it! Jill is my favorite female Fire Emblem character of all.
What a nice and very well made video. The "Gigedy gigedy gidegy" part with Inigo had me rolling on the floor
This rocked and I love you as always. When you added the Oifey additional bullet-points on top of the Jagens', you changed the 'Y' in early into a 'G' by mistake. Lettin' ya know while it's still earlg after release.
Lyon isn’t a Gharnef. He’s a Julius (FE4). And Lon’qu is also a Navarre.
iPonimeOtaku Never really thought about that. He's Julius if we actually got to see his good side
Lon'qu is most definitely not a Navarre
Blazingknight, Abel is actually an odd case. Abel is an Abel in one game, but Abel is much more of an Est in FE 3/12 (more 12, since his growths are the same in FE 3). Abel is actually quite interesting (if only I could say that about Cain....)
"you can't sway them even with a fresh copy of path of raddince" WHAT ABOUT A FRESH COPY OF RADAINT DAWN HMMMM
Path of Radiance is more expensive than Radiant Dawn.
MrYugioh5d I know but radaint dawn is harder to get and a better game
they could sway me with a fresh copy of that game. it feels wrong to be loyal to the series and not even touch tellius
Yeah, you're missing out on my favorite games in the series.
blame accessibility
Nice video. The Maria archetype never personally stood out to me, mainly because Maria herself never stood out to me and I just don't associate the other characters with the Maria archetype. I have to say I am surprised no one has mentioned the Merric archetype. It has a basic template of the wind mage, but it has given us characters like Boey and Soren.
"Sonya>Deen"
Excuuuuuse me, Blazing!
But really, imo Deen>Sonya when talking about the Unit. Sonya>Deen when talking about the Character.
I find it hard to distinguish between Lena and Maria, it feels like Lena is the missing Macedonian royal sibling because of how near identical they are. Maria doesn't feel like the snobby prissy type to me, same goes for Elise the cinnabun roll. I find it interesting that in FE6&7 the starting Clerics and Troubadours have their personalities swapped. Serra becomes the snobby (but still hilarious) one while Priscilla is the sweetheart, in contrast to Elen and Clarine.
I started with Fates, so when I see that Kaze and Saizo being part of the archetype named after the Biblical siblings I initially assumed that ALL Cains and Abels are brothers. Then again most of them have a brother-like relationship anyways (Cain and Abel, Sain and Kent).
Really dig Camus and wished that he serves as an archrival to Marth of sorts, though he's pretty close. His coolness is probably what saved him from "death" and appear in FE3 and be a good guy, just like Michalis. All while Hardin, a close ally to Marth in FE1 took their role as a prominent villain instead.
Also Finn should be a Jagenoifey in FE5.
I wonder who is older: Tana or Vanessa? But functionally Tana feels like the youngest and hippiest of the FE8 pegasus trio. Speaking of which, Fates has more than enough Pegasus units but none of them fits into the archetype (the all siblings aspect goes out of the window by FE8/9/10). I guess Hinoka can be a Catria and Reina as the Palla, but they don't have the Est pegasus.
Great video. There really were some good archtypes, but which was my favorite? Well its hard to say, but I think because Swordmaster is my favorite class I like the Navarre archtype- Justin
I don't agree that tana is like est. I know that you didn't mean that she was eat archetype, but she doesn't act like a little sister at all and seems much more badass than the other Pegasus riders in the game
she gets captured twice, thats not really badass.
+Extra Hachse: Except she doesn't get captured twice.
She gets captured a second time on Ephraim's Route. But he is right Tana is super optimistic and happy compared to her brother and literally only hopes to be of use to them even just a little which is usually a lot since they have always dominated for my playthroughs.
+League Demi: Last I checked, she never gets captured on Eirika's route, and her getting captured on Ephraim's route is a one-time thing.
So when Eirika arrives near Friela chapter 2 she taken hostage at the keep saying she was waiting on Eirika to arrive. if you continue as Eirika no she doesn't get captured she just chases after you. Since you aren't rushing into enemy territory or so you think.
I was expecting you to say that one of the three promint feature of the Maria Archetype is they are ungodlg adorable. Haaha.
So based on fire emblem 3 houses,
Mercedes is the Maria archetype
Felix is the navarree archetype
The solon and the slither in the dark group is the gharnef archetype
And I guess edelgard is the Rudolf archetype.
And would the death knight be a camus?
Woohoo been waiting for this for a long time
To me personally, Camilla falls under the Trash Character archetype along with characters like Tharja, most of Fates's cast, and Faye, but one person's trash is another person's Minerva I guess
Nice video by the way dude
Fire Emblem has always made great characters, even some in Fates?? I guess? Leo and Kaze were good, and Elise was cute and Odin was funny.
You mean owain his name is owain
@@seliphsnom2596 He goes by Odin in Fates.
For fates characters, I like most of the Hoshido units except for Rhajat ans Selkie, ans for Nohr I like Beruka, Benny, Forrest and Keaton. I also like Shura, Silas, Jakob and Izana
@@librathebeautifulwarmonk1283 ik i just find it hard to not call them by there real name
1 of the archetype i'm really disappointed in is the Michalis archetype.
the first 2 members of this archetype, Michalis and Trabant, were amazing characters. but after that the archetype went downhill.
Michalis didn't like how his country was a puppet state wasting its resources at Archanea's whim so he killed his father and took the throne. 3 years after being defeated his sister was dethroned in a coup d'etat, implying that when it comes to the prosperity of his own country maybe he was right.
Trabant was king of a mountainous kingdom with little fertile soil. to make a better future for his people he was willing to do whatever it took. it's even implied that he held back in his final battle, dying on purpose as part of his plan to improve his kingdom.
unfortunately, as i said, the archetype went downhill after these 2.
Narcian was irredeemable scum. the guy from Blazing Sword was so unremarkable that i don't remember his name. and finally there's Valter and Gangrel who are both violent psychopaths who want to cause as much suffering as they can just for the fun of it.
Not completely Leo kind of counts under this archetype but only during birth right where he's an enemy that can't be recruited. The one thing you also can't forget with this archetype is that he supposed to be the opposite of Camus yet similar only in a different shade of Honor because of his patriotism to his kingdom and Country, and that his actions were largely motivated for his kingdom survival and prosperity then really just power for the sake of power. Basically he's the Black Knight to Camus "White Knight".
Berkut was a "Michalis" in that even if he was an arrogant smug bastard with a superiority complex toward commoners common he did have good intentions when it came to his kingdom and did have his redeemable parts that's the part people almost forget what this archetype, though everything went horribly wrong of course which is another thing that comes with this archetype. In the case of Leo let's also add the bonus points that Camilla kind of counts as the Minerva archetype you know since both archetypes are siblings though it's kind of opposite being that Camilla is Leo's older sister , and they have a close relationship. But she's only that archetype during Revelations, starting out early as an enemy and then turning into an ally later. Birthright she's kind of the dark action chick only sympathetic compared to the others who fit that archetype like Sonia. But yeah it's at least good that archetype got used again. Don't honestly I think it was used again during the tellius games, one referring to is zelgius the Black Knight. Who was actually a mix of him and Camus, in that he did have his honorable side and did have his good qualities and did have good intentions and what he was trying to do but he admits some of his darker traits as well especially when it comes to his former master and his former master's son, showing that he is kind of arrogant you see that a lot when he's under the Black Knight persona. Funny enough when you think about it, you're left wondering which is his true personality, when he's the Black Knight or when he's not. To me his true personality is at the end when he's both when he's no longer hiding under the Black Knight identity, basically you get his true blue personality around the last time you deal with him when he Reveals His true identity to Ike. Plus you do get to play as him only in select Maps but yeah you get to play as him just like with the to mention archetypes. That's why I consider BK his own unique archetype, wall at the same time being a mix of two that were meant to be opposites of each other yet the same.
But yeah I agree I do love that archetype you mention. Because I do like the bad guy who does have evil traits but also has good virtues. Because as much as Minerva was angry at her brother for murdering their father, I can't say his decision wasn't wrong his father was blindly keeping his loyalty to an Empire that had shown itself to be completely incompetent and his decision had he not murdered and replaced him would have seen their country destroyed. The only real major negative is how he treated his sister Maria in order to control Minerva, but he does redeem himself by Saving his sister and of course the fact that Maria never gave up on him even when Minerva did, and logically she should have hated him just as much as Minerva. Plus without him Marth would have been s*** out of luck in the finale
18:14 That's why only Eldigan and Reinhardt can be the only spareable Camus... I wish we have more of those kinds.
Cool job man.
Personally I'm still sorta new to Fire Emblem(Only playing Lyn's game(can't remember if its Bind or Blaze) Sacred, Awakening, Fates Conquest & Rev( if your going to ask BR its in the crash pit.) & planning to get the Switch for Warriors(& Odyessy) The ones that stood out to me was Galisps, Maria, Cain & Abel, Murdock, Fredrick, & Minerva archetypes.
Keep up the awesome work man.
Murdock is a Camus and Frederick is an Oifey
Neolab
Thanks. Just too many names...
You know, I've been doing some thinking, which got me to return to this video.
For the Cain & Abel archetypes, it's pretty clear they're the Mario & Luigi of Fire Emblem (especially with Saizo & Kaze) - I mean, hello, red & green.
As for the Navarre archetype, I think that archetype has gone on to other games outside of Fire Emblem in creating their own variations of it. For instance, Guilty Gear has Sol Badguy, and BlazBlue has Ragna the Bloodedge. I think both of these characters are definitely inspired by Navarre in one way or another - they wear red, use powerful swords for fighting, and have brooding personalities that make them beyond antisocial, despite being the main heroes (though in terms of Guilty Gear, I suppose you could say Baiken somewhat also falls into a similar category; same with Jin in BlazBlue). Heck, in some case, Dante from Devil May Cry is kind of a Navarre archetype, though instead of brooding, he's fun-loving and a real awesome guy despite being half-demon (yeah, there's DmC Dante, but... We don't talk about that).
In Three Houses (only played Blue Lions):
Gangrel Archetype
10: Thales even though it's not a dragon
Gotoh Archetype
09: Gilbert, but I still don't like him
Pegasus Sisters Archetype
08: No pegasus trio sadly, only Ingrid is the most canonic-like pegasus knight in Three Houses
Rudolf Archetype
07: Edelgard and kinda Rhea
Cain & Abel Archetype
06: Sylvain & Felix or Catherine & Shamir
Maria Archetype
05: Flayn, this mint gum heals me with love
Navarre Archetype
04: Felix like he looks the part
Oifey Archetype
03: Dedue, seriously he's so good even though he comes back halfway in Azure Moon
Camus Archetype
02: It depends on each house I guess. I think any student that you didn't recruit
Minerva Archetype
01: Edelgard (if you play Black Eagles)
I've been waiting for this for a long time
Haar will always be my hero holding down half the army coming trough the right stairs on the final mission on chapter 2 on radiant dawn
Aww, I'll love to see the "Fixing" Awakening Story one... Hopefully it will come to light in the future
Glad to see I'm not the only one whose favorite is Joshua!
I know I havent been keeping up with the lets plays super well but, did you ever upload the final chapter of Blazing Sword? I have been playing along as I watch the episodes and I relize you went on to the bonus episodes without uploading the final. If you made an announcement about that I probably missed it.
ever since i picked up my first fire emblem game in 2008 (shadow dragon) my favorite character that now seeing this was an archetype was always Minerva shes the most underrated and beautiful characters ever i love fire emblem so much the good and the bad but my #1 is always and will always be minerva shes perfect to me and her story and stats and armor everything is perfect Team Minerva Forever!
Mustafa is a Camus Archetype from Awakening. He just isn’t related to anyone, but he is a father figure to Henry, but he hasn’t been met yet
The number of spelling errors in this video...
Est archetypes honourable mentions. TRIGGERED
7:52 lol, nope. The only natural Pegasus knight in three houses was Ingrid. And she was so badass, she didn’t need two sisters to make a triangle attack.
Iago doesn't fall into the garnef archetype?
he;s not responsible for the games events
18:04 that's the canon reason, you can't convince me otherwise
I kinda find it funny that the Cain/Abel archetype has the claim that the Cains are generally serious and focused while the Abels are generally laid-back and easygoing, since that generally flip-flops between games and the originals were the hot-blooded Cain and serious Abel, comparatively.
Tana also isn't related to Vanessa/Syrene (if they were related, that'd make the Vanessa/Innes endings awkward...), and none of the Tellius pegasus units are directly related to each other, either. Minor nitpick, but it does make the whole "Pegasus Sisters" idea a commonly used choice rather than a hard rule (as compared to Pegasus Trio in general).
Est is BEst (archetype)
Omg i thought i was the only one who liked Sully OAO. (It's not that people hate her, she's just ignored and underrated and her child unit is VERY underrated in my opinion, i officially call Sully "man wife" XD)
Sully is best girl, shes nice, tough a good unit, musuclar, ans has thick lips. Top tier
Michalis archetype will always be the best. They are by far the most entertaining characters in their games.
Fucking shots fired at Fates writing at 18:15
15:29 what are you talking about? Apart from Revelation, Fates absolutely did that, even going literal with black and white. At best Nohr is just a very dark grey, but Garon seeks to paint it blacker than midnight.
Is there an archetype of that one enemy unit that fighting them is suicidal
Like the Black Knight, Ryoma, Xander, & the Death Knight
Probably not until recently.