Proponents of two-state solution must 'explain to Israel' how Palestinian state will ensure security
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 21. 05. 2024
- The announcement by Ireland, Spain and Norway on the recognition of a Palestinian state is perceived by Israel as a major blow. Nomi Bar-Yaacov, international negotiator and Senior Research Fellow in the International Law Programme at Chatham House tells FRANCE 24's Mark Owen that the key missing element from their respective speeches in recognition of the Palestinian state is explaining to Israel how the existence of a Palestinian state will make Israel more secure.
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No bibi you need to explain how NOT recognising Palestinians will make THEM more secure.
What is Palestinian??? It's not on the map, it dont exist.
Any why is that so ?â@@elenaamal8632
@@elenaamal863210 years later you will be saying same for ISISrael đ€Ł
Is my D** on google map? đđđ but I have why itâs not on map
@@elenaamal8632 so who can Palestinian arabic dialect exist, it like said Egyptian arab(who speak Egyptian arabic) do not exist, and yes egyptian is big, they also have many dialect like saidi dialect for example. like saudi with hijazi, nejdi, bahrainin, gulf arabic. Negev Arab speak Bedewi Arabic, just google it or go libary about arabic dialect and is sub-branch Palestininan arabic is branch of south levantine arabic.
@@elenaamal8632 The people are there, whatever the name you give them.
Its meant to keep the palestinians safe from you
I guess if I had spent 76 years with my boot on someone's neck, I'd be scared of them breaking free too.
Cowardice is exemplified by bowing to a fear.
Courage is exemplified by facing it head on.
Excellent metaphor!
Those who Don't Learn from History, are Doomed to Repeat it...
lord, perfectly said.
Sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about
The mistake isn't recognizing Palestine as a state; the mistake was not recognizing Palestine and Israel as states at the same time.
The Arabs said No, when it was put to them, Jews said Yes, Arabs said No. it was allegedly 52% of land designated for the Jews tehe rest was for the Arabs, nevermind TransJordon aka Jordon next door.
Promises were made to Palestinian leaders at the time when Isreal was made a state in 1948. Nothing was followed up. This is long overdue.
The analyst Nomi Bar-Yakoov does not seem to have listened to the statement of the Irish PM. He is saying precisely the things about Hamas and the hostages that she claims are not in the statement.
And, why does she expect that every actor on the world stage must coordinate every intended move with the Israelis first?
please explain how creating hatred lasting the next 100 yrs will make you more secure
Wow that woman was insufferable. The entitlement is crazy.
Poor Israelis, they just need things explained to them and then they'll come around, believes this lady
Sheâs delusional
Countries do NOT need to explain anything! They're sovereign nations who can make their own decisions ffs. How about Israel and the US explain all their actions too? Maybe let some journalists into Gaza? Maybe show some of those "reports" they keep talking about so much? Yea, didn't think so.
Next cut off all trade with the European block with isreal
nice wet dream. đ
75 YEARS overdue!!!!!
Oh shame...not for you to say
â@@ritakruger2304
Shame on Netanyahu, Shame on Israel.
How would you like it, if your next-door neighbour made your life, Hell on Earth???
The Arabs declined a Palestinian state in 1948.
@@EchoBravo370 The Palestinians -- and their Arab neighbours -- resented the terms, which, according to just about every historian who's delved into the matter, were abysmal. You should have a go, too.
@@peabase In a negotiation, you actually need to turn up and negotiate, they never did.
Worried more about your security??? How about the freedom of Palestinians?
How can people be free in a Sharia state?
@@thiphan264 More like a Sharia Theocracy, only they will be overseen from somewhere else because ultimately they want a Caliphate which means a centre of power somewhere but you can guarantee it won't be in "Palestine".
Women need more oxygen more than men, free them from Burqa & Niqab
â@@thiphan264 at least better than air strike and concentration camps.
In 1945 the entire country was called Palestine
This conflict is entirely political
Did she just say; traumatized Israeli publicâđ€Š
People like her are the reason, this conflict will never đâ
Oh shame big mouth ...you know nothing
She is a disgrace!
Oct7 ?
@@schofield4836 last 75 years?
@@YYDS-on2fn whataboutism! Poor argument. You think she is saying because the Israeli people are traumatised, the Palestinians arenât?
I consider the establishment of Palestinian rights and statehood as THE solution. Israel has had all the time in the world to come to a resolution but they have repeatedly shown that they are simply not interested. Quite the contrary. Their security is important but it cannot come at the expense of the perpetual oppression of Palestinians. Period. Congratulations to these European countries. Nomi is rather disingenuous if not naive. Does she really think that the war would end if the hostages were returned? If Nomi knows that this is helpful to Israel, why the emphasis on the explanation? Does she really think that the Israelis want to listen to anyone on anything? Pull the other one Nomi.
Yeah. If you're a Islamofascist lunatic or completely out of touch, then a Palestinian state seems great. Which are you?
Palestinians refused many times. Now they went to far. October 7
@@sunrise1975italia Refused their own state? You on planet earth?
â@@sunrise1975italia
"Anyone who wants to thwart the Establishment of a Palestinian State, has to support bolstering Hamas, and Transferring money to Hamas"
Netanyahu told his Likud colleagues, march 2019...
Source: Washington Post & Haaretz...
â@@sunrise1975italiaNo one is obliged to accept a bad offer! 20% of the land for 80% of the population and refugees not allowed to return was a very bad deal.
Is she still repeating israeli lies about hamas?... the "traumatized israeli".... is this a joke?... they can pick up the alternative passport and go back to eastern europe đ đ đ
And the US.
This is an antisemitic statement, plenty of Israelis are already born there, you canât shove six million Jews out of the region.
Hamas offered an all for all prisoner exchange on October 10th and have offered it multiple times since. Israel refused. Hamas recently agreed to a compromise deal that Israel refused. And Netanyahu has made clear that returning the hostages will not end the war.
Wow!...the Spanish government considering the will of the people!! Revolutionary talk indeed in a true democracy
Looks like the international negotiator is pro Israel not neutral đ
Every group of people will be free.....đ
No one can decide which people should be free and who should not.....
wrong
This ladys argument is confused, its not for Norway an Ireland to explain the security arrangements, thats for Israel to sort out. Thats what the US has been telling Netanyahu that he has to have a plan for after the war. This lady seems to have not mentioned this until the end
We are just offering Palestinians the same thing we offered Israel - state recognition. Literally every country on the planet has already either recognises Palestinian statehood, or supports it in principle as part of a two-state solution.
Somebody needs to tell this lady that IDF soldiers who are taken hostage while participating in an occupation are not "innocent" as she puts it.
Don't play dumb, Hamas took kids women and old people, civilians, your remark is disgraceful
@@MilenaBlazanovic-oq2iy But you don't care about the women, children, and old people held with no charges or trials in Israeli jails? Being tortured? It is YOU that is a disgrace to humanity. SHAME ON YOU.
@@MilenaBlazanovic-oq2iy Freedom is always fought for never given. We see the fruits.
Israel had nothing to make it state.when it was recognized by newly formed and west dominated UN. But palastine have evrything to make them state.
â@@MilenaBlazanovic-oq2iyyou need to read that comment again!
Those countries have backbones
The magnificent ones with conscience and eyes that see what others in the west can't see.
Magnificent means possessing or exuding ability to magnify.
Why is it the responsibility of these states to explain to Israe why they should leave the legally occupied territory? Enough with Israelis feelings. Its time gets tough.
Interviewing pro Israel international negotiator instead of neutral negotiator đđ
"I think if the hostages were returned there wouldn't be a war in Gaza"- Wow I don't believe she thinks that at all. Netanyahu has said he plans to continue the war whether or not there is a hostage deal.
Israel needs to learn to give respect if it wants respect. Learn to get along, okay? Also, you're not special or above the law. It's not hard, people.
With people like her, there will likely be no peace agreement. If Oct 7 was horrendous, then what happened to all the Palestinians jailed without trial. What about all the Palestinians living in an open air concentration camp. I would like to see Israelis live in such conditions for 3 months. if Israeli public is traumatized, what about the Palestinian public? US and Israel are not interested in two state solution or one state solution unless it is a Jewish state.
So if these countries recognize Palestine, does that mean they also concede that Palestinians living there are no longer refugees, but citizens of their own country and any other Palestinians living outside of Palestine have the right of return to Palestine, not Israel?
Bro mad af
Is Spain going to recognize their 2 break away states
You canât explain this brutal occupation and cruelty to new generationâŠ. The world is connected this day, no one is living in fear anymore, Fantasy is no longer work âŠCultural understanding⊠next generation will fight establishment and will question everything that has to do with Europe
...I believe the mood of ordinary people in many countries towards the long and painful situation vis a vis Israel and Palestine has been permanently changed by what has occurred
In 1948, the UN made Israel a state on PALESTINIAN land and ignored Palestinian statehood. Can't we see the 76-year error made by the UN?
I honestly did not believe that I would witness a Genocide run in real time ever in my life time like what the world has witnessed in Gaza. So shocking!
Are you a child? did you miss the 85,000 children starved to death in Yemen according to 'save the children.
There are 2 million Arabs living freely in Israel. While the world demands an Arab state, tell me what the Arabs would have done to the Jews if they had lost in 1948. What would make anyone thinks things have changed if they get their state from the savagery of Oct. 7
A Palestinian state, not an Arab state.
I suppose you mean an Arab Palestinian State.
@@anselmelerius4727 Recent studies have shown that Palestinian DNA has an 81% match with Bronze Age remains in that region meaning that Palestinians are indigenous for the last 3700 years. Just because they speak Arabic does not make them Arabs anymore than speaking English makes you English.
That's right, Why no one is talking about hostages?
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Appreciate the decision on merit by Spain đȘđŠ Norway đžđŻ and Ireland đšđź to establish Peace in Meddle East as well as whole world đđŒđđ”đž #Two2States #Peace4all
This is Palestines single victory in this whole war
I do not agree with the statement that '' the new countries that had recognised the state of Palestine '' have the RESPONSIBILITY to explain to israel, how the process will/should be done ! Israel had enough time to decide, yet it didn't, what kind of statue as citizens the palestinians should have ! They failed so miserably, for the past 45 years, and now frustrated are throwing a tantrum for all the world to see them and solved their situation, simply because they can't accept any condition other than theirs !
Perhaps if Nomi bothered to actually listen to the statement made by the Irish Taoiseach, she would know that the hostages were very much indeed mentioned and it was stated that they need to be released.
Yeah Norway knows all about national security. Thank you Norway
They brought that on themselves
Lol. It's about making Palestine more secure.
The map forgot to âgreenâ #Iceland. Iceland do recognise Palestine. In case some would say the map covers only EU countries and not EFTA countries then why Norway was highlighted and not #Iceland while theyâre both Non-Eu Efta countries. This was definitely a mistake. Hopefully it will be fixed in the future.
Theres no reason for them to explain anything to Israel. Its there homeland .
Recognising Palestinian state is the first step woman, next topic can be figuring out the âhowâ; appreciate the baby steps world leaders are taking. As mentioned it is a complicated and sensitive to lot of people so taking some steps to recognise Palestinian people and state is a must! Thatâs what some leaders with backbones did. Appreciate that and move on to next stage.
No two state....
â@@ritakruger2304are you suggesting 1 state ? Or are you suggesting the pallys don't getta state? If so hate to break it to you buddy but it's coming. This is just the beginning .
â@@ritakruger2304woula one Ăł state solution without apathied suit you?
It hasnât been recognized by anyone who matters.
The South Africans in the 70s and 80s thought so too. These things have away of accelerating.
@@alihussain4349 Not this time.
So the ones that matter is USA and UK and Germans huh?
Very good central point from mrs Bar-Yaacov...........it emphaises the irrationality of Nethanyahu's, Gvir's and Gallant's, et al, position with regard to the conflict in Palestine and it gives Israeli people an alternative narrative that preserves the State of Israel.
I'm not one of those countries, but I can say this will make Israel more secure, because it will.
The night is darkest before the dawn and this night is very dark.
"The most important teacher, failure is." As exemplified perfectly by the trilogy of movies housing that line.
No , Bobo needs to explain how a squatter who arrived 75 years ago has more rights than the real landlord
Where is it, who rules it and is it peaceful? In 1947, 2000 and 2008 the palestinians rejected a state. Israel have not yet annexed it, why?
For 100 years the Palestinians have been offered a state of their own, a two state solution, accepted by Israel and the rest of the world; and for 100 years the Palestinians have rejected it. What right do any countries have to impose their will on either Israel or Palestine? Western powers drew the lines on the map of the Middle East 106 years ago to suit their own interests. Until the people of the Middle East are allowed to decide their own fates, this conflict will never end.
We Hope that both South Korea and Japan will follow suit to recognized Palestine as Independent and sovereign state
Personally I can't see what Palestinian statehood has got to do with Israel, Palestine has been where it is for centuries. I don't know why the west keep asking the Israelis, the Americans or the British, it has nothing to do with them, it's about Palestine and Palestinians.
Excellent
Does she know WHY the Brigades went in to get hostages? Because that actually *matters.*
THEM: ALWAYS "Isreal's security", "Isreal's security", "Isreal's security"....
ME: what about the Palestinians security as well?
DOUBLE STANDARD AT IT'S FINEST đ.
3 Brave countries that have balls of steel
What a complete nonsense question. Israel is now officially an international pariah
đŻ spot on
Why its always about Israel security? Palestinian needs more security from Israeli military brutal occupation. Palestine has every legal right to defend themselves. I fully respect Ireland, Spain, and Norway for their courage to recognize Palestine. They have proved they are on the right side of history and International Law...
That headline. Bro the entire world doesn't just revolve around u guys, the "gods chosen people" đ
There are many palastinians hostages in israel prisons too.
What are Israels demands to free them?
@@contact594 to occupy the whole land by themselves
@@Allahiswiththeoppressed so they aren't demanding anything to release the hostages? how contrary.
@@contact594 those palastunians hostage were capture before and after oct 7, as we speak there are some being captured so it is endless thing. It can't end unless the occupation stops forever.
@@Allahiswiththeoppressed so they aren't exactly "hostages" are they, the correct terminology would be "prisoners"
Who are recognizing Palestinian state they should also explain the territory of Palestine.
As a Canadian I fully support the recognition of Palestine, I wish Canada would do the same. The occupation and oppression of Palestine must stop.
A world is coming where 193 countries recognize Palestine and only the USA and Israel don't.
She is crazy. They do not have to explain how Palestinian sovereignty will make Israel safer. Netanyahu has to explain his plan for the future. Israel is the occupying power
Good on đźđȘ đȘđž đłđŽ hope everyone els followes time for leaders to step up
Yes hopefully more countriea will recognize palestine
Is all about zionists not Palestine
You believe or NOT the UN is establish the state of Iisrael in 1947. You believe or NOT palestinians are people and human beings the same way like israeli
America recognizes Palestine as a country! đ”đžđ”đžđ”đžđ”đž
Explaining where the borders of this " state" are might be a better idea because nobody seems to know. How can you have a state if you can't even define its borders?
What a spanner comment!
3 Brave countries that have backbones
No two state....stand strong Israel...God in with you....watch and see what God going to do đđđđđđđźđ±đźđ±đźđ±đźđ±đźđ±đźđ±
Naomi, Surely it is down to Israel to negotiate a plan for the release of the hostages - this could've been done after a week of military action but I guess the Hannibal Directive is at play and the hostage issue is irrelevant to Bibi & his cronies.
If anyone cannot understand that a Palestinian state will bring security to both Palestinians and Israelis, it's because they refuse to, not because it's an issue that is too complicated.
Hoping for peaceful community to make more peaceful to Ireland, Norway & Spain...
& Offcourse majority of population will be from peaceful community in these countries in near future as a blessings from themđâïžđ...
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"If the hostages were returned, there wouldn't be a war in Gaza"
Nonsense.
the Israelis have already said that they would continue their war regardless of whether the hostages are returmed.
Either this so called expert is not paying attention, or she is not being honest.
i think they already did sir, if you actually listened.
What your outlet needs to remember is that the Law Based World Order has not yet been replaced by the "Rules Based World Order".
International Law says that as an illegally occupied place the people of Gaza and Palestine have a right to armed resistance.
The occupiers have duties of care towards the occupied people which is not met by bombing and starving women and children. This is not self defense.
Genocide is not excused because your religious texts say it is. Humanity and civilisation are more important than organised religion.
Okay, now, we have to understand; we are talking about a country -- Israel -- that regularly thumbs its nose at international law. That because it has America under its thumb, treats the rest of the world's expectations with disgust. Why should any country trust a nation's goodwill that keeps still another people's land? This Israeli leadership is trying to ethnically cleanse Gaza! It's obvious what their long term intent is. It's not a two state solution! There is absolutely no reason, for any nation to delay giving the Palestinian nationality what it rightly deserves, recognition of their own state!
Israeli government doesn't have to explain what their "day after plan" entails, but countries that recognize Palestine HAVE to explain to Israel why they did...đ
Fox news and skynews media isn't happy with this
These recognition could jeopardize US settlement expansion in the occupied Palestinian territories.
The nations that will recognize Palestine will entitle them to legal, financial, reconstruction and human rights abilities for statehood, Europe has a powerful legal abilities that Palestinians can access on the world stage, the EU and Arab states will construct a mega Palestinian state as a symbol of world peace.
I remember when Kosovo was forcefully taken out of Yoguslavia without consultation same thing with the creation of Israel why do Palestinians have to secure permission from Israel to have a state?
Make 2 state solution, go back to 1967 borders. Then build walls around the border.
2 state solution with division of territory according to population %
And when Hamas or Islamic Jihad launch rockets can Israel invade and expel them all?
It Over due by the Europe countries to recognition Palestinian state. Israeli gvts wont allow any Palestinian state.- this will build pressure on the US and UK.
give Israel another two weeks to learn about honesty. Lets see after that if they need another two weeks
âIf the hostages were returned there wouldnât be a warâ said your distinguished guest. Let me remind her, as well as others, that the conditions suffered by the Palestinian population predate the hostage situation by decades, as well as by the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians.
To the countries blaming Israel, who started this war?? if it's not Hamas Palestinians.
Why is it these countries responsibility to fend for Israelâs security at the expense of their morality?
Maybe they see a grave injustice and decided that it needs to be remedied and recognition is a step in that direction? That is what they deem in *their* interest. Why should they subordinate their interests to Israel?
You first win the war to Recognition of any Kind. And then...hmmmm
These people will be made to look foolish by people in Gaza when they learn it was never about land đđđ
I hope to see Palestine to live happy to they land
how about a united democratic state where Jews and Palestinians live in peace. United we stand divided we fall.
That would be better but what is the chance of the Zionists accepting that? They have been playing with the demographics for the last 75 years to get themselves into a majority position. Why do you think they do not allow Palestinian refugees to return?