I think I found the new KING of budget tents! | Hill Zero Matis Tent
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- The Hill Zero Matis Tent is a 2 person trekking pole tent, that just may be the roomiest trekking pole tent I've ever used. It's an innovative, smart trekking pole tent design with a lot of features for a more comfortable experience when backpacking.
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We recently used the Hill Zero for six nights on the Northville-Placid trail in the Adirondacks. I love the thing. Really light, very little condensation in high humidity thanks to those vents on each end, and it did not fail us during an absolute torrential downpour. I would definitely suggest using a couple extra of those tie outs when the forecast calls for it.
I love this design! Wish it came in a 1 person version!
Seems like a nice option against the lanshan, especially the pro which doesn’t come seam sealed
Great review on a nice budget option. Not sure if you've figured it out yet, but you can add a length of line from the main pole stakes with a lineloc and attach the doors to that same stake similar to the Zpacks duplex. I converted my Lunar Solo with the same setup and it works great.
Oh yeah, I've thought about that. Thanks!
Tent looks pretty cool. The only thing that is a deal breaker for me is the width. Just make it 50 inches wide so it can fit our two 25 inch wide pads. Other than that it looks like a great tent.
I was scared it was just going to be a sales pitch because you're quite good at that (you could be a yatch broker, I'm telling you !)) but you made some good remarks. I'm surprised the weight isn't 100g lower considering it's a 20D silnylon 1.5 wall tent. Also in my experience after 15 days of hiking you want something really easy to pitch, 2 trekking poles, 8 stakes + 2 struts is a bit too much imo.
Hill Zero is making some fantastic tents for the money!
Their hot tent is pretty rad!
Looks like a winner, thanks for the quick review.
Like the look of this tent, but i bought an X-Mid for Christmas. Thsnkz fof thd feed back. Like youf chamnel. Nice to see Utah represented. 😢
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It looks nice, but I'll wait for the dipole 2p DW. I hope it comes out very soon.
I am also excited about the Dipole 2 DW. If it stays under $400 it'll be a solid contender!
They told me around June. Fingers crossed!
Looks like a pretty sweet 1 person option. Just wondering why you would pay $220 for this when you can buy a Lanshan 2 for so much less
Lanshans started out a little over $100. Now they are closer to $200
This has the design qualities that make a difference for me in performance. The end strut adds the internal volume, but also aids in the weather performance. Those Lanshan 2 head and foot wall panels are so large that they become loose and difficult to manage when wet. This tent has far more usable space at the head and foot end than the lanshan. Floor length is one thing, but I think it's even more important to look at what the usable space is like 12" up off the floor. That's what makes the difference for me.
@@BackcountryExposure awesome brother, thanks for replying! Have been looking for something like this.
The pro and plus versions are plenty big for all but the tallest people.
is there also a solid version if it like the x mid solid??
Perfect for one plus a dog!
Totally!
Hey Devin, this does seem like a nice option for the price. I am really shocked that it's seam taped for this price. I was all but certain that you'd mention a buyer would have to seam seal it themselves. My only question is, what happens at the overhangs when rain is very light. In the demonstration, the water sheets off nicely. But if there's a really low flow, water tends to have a cohesive nature. I wonder if that would end up "sticking" back against the angle of the overhang and then soak into the mesh of the vent. Only more use will tell. Thanks for sharing!
Bryce paria 2 person tent is $175 , 3.5 lbs and is double wall with bathtub.
The Bryce is a great tent!
Really loving this one. Looks very cozy in there. Great option for quick overnighters. Not something I’d take on long-distance hikes necessarily, but for everything else this looks really really capable. Thanks!
Super cozy! Thanks!
Interesting that it comes with carbon fiber stakes. I like the Tarptent-like struts. Reduces the footprint, adds airflow, gives you a 360 degree view. Could probably mod it to reduce stakes. T-doors are great. I specifically ordered T-doors on my og Lanshan 1. Great design 👍 Nice that it's ready to go with everything seam taped.
Yeah they are nice stakes too, and strong. Thanks!
I’ve been looking for a cheap tent to get to loan out to friends who don’t have something of their own when we go on backpacking trips. Would you rather get this tent or the Paria Bryce?
Makes sense. Feature wise, I would go for this one. The Bryce is awesome, but I don't love the front entry, single door. So if you're willing to aid in helping get a proper pitch with the Matis for friends who haven't used a trekking pole tent before, then this would be my choice.
Did you notice any water roll backwards into the angled head and foot ends? It looked like it was possibly rolling in at the narrower ends of that mesh vent. Otherwise, seems like a cool tent!
No, there wasn't any water rolling into the mesh there. The mesh did get a little wet, but nothing went into the tent.
Hey I saw your video with Eric Hanson. That trail you called the "little grand canyon" was it on All trails? Is it North of I-70 off hwy 6 ? I have been spending that last 6 weeks going (3 times) down to the Goblin valley and Capitol Reef northern area. I wanted a longer trail and wanted to avoid the crowded Zions, Arches area. Please let me know. It seemed a bit challenging and I want that.
Hey, so the little Grand Canyon is the section of the San Rafael River between Fuller Bottom and the Swinging Bridge at the lower end of Buckhorn Wash in the San Rafael Swell. It's a great overnight or long day hike. It does require a shuttle. Depending on the flow of the river, the dozen or so river crossings can be interesting. I don't know if it's on all trails or not, but google, hiking little Grand Canyon, San Rafael swell and you'll see blog posts with a lot of info. :)
The trail I show is the same area . The out and back is 28.4 miles. It looks like access from a dirt road . 😮 I was going to make it a 3 or 4 day🎉 trip. It looks like it goes along the river for the most part. I was looking to do it starting in about 12 days.
I am going alone because none of my friends do anything. I'm 65 years old and my age group are lazy.
The trail on all trails starts at Buckhorn
0:32 Does anyone know the model/brand of this sleeping pad? Looks quite comfy...
It's the Kilos Gear Aerocloud Sleeping pad. Great, comfy pad.
@@BackcountryExposure Thanks, gonna check it out!
FYI typo in the description with the name of the tent
Thanks, it's fixed. :)
Looks good but man that's pricey. You can basically get an Xmid 1p for the same price, and if you really want a 2p tent, just spend an extra $40. Double wall...silpoly...lighter...more room....
I got a 2p Featherstone Backbone, which is a decent tent and cost me
Fantastic job comparing the tents. You are a natural at making these great videos.
The more tents that improve the head and foot room the better! As a taller hiker it’s great to see this trend.
Thank you!
ahhh, lost me at 44oz, and im not saying that to be a prick by any means! i am just looking for potentially lighter options for a shelter compared to the lanshan 1 pro without getting into DCF territory. the GG "the one" certainly is lighter, but i am not keen on the shape of the inner tent. do you have any recommendations for what I am seeking? cheers.
edit: 3f UL gear is making an updated version of the lanshan pro series of tents, I have been in contact with them over the last few months, but I don't have any ETA. they were exploring different fabrics, but straight up said that DCF is too costly for them. im okay with this!
Yeah, a little on the heavy side for hiking. I'm finding that I don't do as much of it at this point, so I'm selling my REI Flash Air 2 that I bought a few years ago (this one seems to have borrowed a lot from it), which they no longer make but that came in under 2# if you're using trekking poles.
Now that I've dialed in what I want in a tent (and that I likely won't be humping it in a pack usually) I can get rid of the 3 I have and trim down the gear. :)
Weight is absolutely a personal preference. Having carried it in my pack and still be under 25 pounds total for a weekend trip is pretty awesome in my book.
Sounds like the Durston X-Mid would be right up your alley, or the Dipole 1 DW.
The Slingfin SplitWing is a pretty slick option too.
@@BackcountryExposure Yes the splitwing looks awesome! I did some research into that shelter system but I do have a couple of issues with it, notably that if you are using the vestibule or inner mesh, you can't sit straight up inside of it. Also, no side entry kind of sucks, but I guess you can't have it all! Lol.
I considered an x mid, but I feel that I should save up for the pro versions (in Canadian dollars I'm looking at about $800ish for the pro 1).
Another option would be to hold out and see what comes of the UltraTNT version of the Fortius tent that Outdoor Vitals is working on. I tested a prototype of that last month for 6 nights and was impressed. So if you're not in a hurry, that could be worth waiting on. I have zero eta or more info from them. But it's definitely a project they are working on.
I wasn't aware 3f UL was working on updating the Lanshan Pro. That tent has definitely put itself in a unique position in the market.
@@BackcountryExposure I've been such a fanboy for their stuff (3fUL) that I figured maybe I would reach out to them and see if they had any plans to upgrade, turns out they are! Yeah definitely not in any rush right now, I'm going to see what else comes out for this year. I'm okay to use the lanshan 1 pro for now. I gave my kid the Lanshan 2 pro for her own backpack (we both use waymark mile 28 backpacks for multi day treks). Appreciate your feedback and suggestions!
Seems to share some DNA with the REI Flash 2 (which is a 1.5-wall tent), but heavier.
Some similar queues. But really it's closer to the Tarptent Dipole than anything else.
@@BackcountryExposure Yes. the REI had those loops at the bottom! But it also has the ability to completely roll back the doors beyond the shoulder so you can stargaze through the mesh above you while laying on your back in the tent. Plus I think maybe it's a 55/45 width, rather than a straight 47 throughout. It's a little more faceted and space age- or beetle-looking. :)
I watched your video with interest & read all the comments/replies B4 composing the following:
I had to "snicker" at the comment about how you used oz instead of pounds/oz & your reply.
1500mm Hydrostatic head seems b-a-r-e-l-y adequate.
Still waiting, patiently, for your review of, you know what - hopefully, in my lifetime.
Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada.
I am doing research all about hydrostatic head ratings, so stay tuned for that.
@@BackcountryExposure EXCELLENT, Devin. It will be an interesting & informative video for most. I'm the exception; I'm already knowledgeable about hydrostatic head pressure, which was one of the huge reasons that helped me decide on my Hilleberg Enan; 5,000mm HH pressure for the outer 20D fabric & 15,000mm HH pressure for the 70D (Triple Coated) floor material. - and, of course, tear strength of the material.
Sadly, HH pressure & Tear Strength of tent materials are unknown/ignored by most.
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I love this design. Just think for it being single wall and the floor size it’s heavier than the double wall version of the durston xmid 2. Durston is only 60$ more also with a more reputable name, bigger floor, and quite a bit lighter
I appreciate that there's more options coming out in this under $300 category to drive competition and design. The X-Mid is amazing, but I like seeing variety in the market. :)
@@BackcountryExposure I feel like the more competition the better. It forces companies to not dominate markets, fairly price, and innovate new and beneficial features to the products to make theirs different some how than the others
I love these end strut designed trekking pole tents, it adds much needed head/foot height.
Absolutely! It gets me excited to see the Dipole 2 DW that Tarptent is supposed to be releasing this year.
How premium brand tents cant do peg out points for the bath tub like this is mind boggling. Those little corner points of fabric to pull the shape out are great. But the these guys miss out the pole loop😂. Its nearly 500 quid in the uk on amazon which means its a no go, but it looks like a class design and well made.
I love it. Those fabric corners really give the floor it's shape and keep the floor on the ground, so you aren't pitching higher than necessary, and then putting weird stress on the rest of the tent.
Yikes on the price outside of the US. Like I said at the end of the video, they are a small operation and don't think they have all the distribution dialed in to reduce costs.
@@BackcountryExposure its much more reasonable when you order direct with hill zero.... debating selling the x mid 1 now just for the extra space...
So, this or the Lanshan, or the Paria at this price point?
Geez, you could lump several options into this. Lanshan, Paria, Featherstone Backbone, Hill Zero, Tarptent Dipole DW, Gossamer Gear The Two.
Having used all of the above mentioned tents, my top choices would be this Matis tent, the Dipole and the Backbone.
@@BackcountryExposure - Super helpful! Thank you! Your videos are full-stop amazing.
Six moon designs not that far off in price either.
This tent seems great ❤8
I think it’s just too elaborate, complicated to set up properly. When I set up it’s because I’m tired and sleepy so I’m not in the mood to fiddle with a complicated tent. That’s why I chose my Tarptent Rainbow.😮
I agree that for camping it beats a lot of tents but not for hiking.
The rainbow is just a fool proof, amazing tent.
This is much less complicated than some other trekking pole tents.
It seems to be a budget version of REI's Flash Air 2 tent. It's not necessarily tough to set up, but it WILL likely take you about 12-15 minutes to get just right. More if it's windy. But the basic staking goes fairly quickly.
Then again, end of day CAN be frustrating. It took one trip up Mount Whitney to decide to put my Sawyer Mini in a drawer forever and go back to the full-sized Squeeze. You don't want to process multiple litres of water as the sun sets with something putting out less than a healthy pee stream. 🤣
Lost me at single wall 😞 cool looking tent though
For condensation management? What tent do you use most often?
It's a lot like the REI Flash Air 2 (that I'm about to sell bc I don't through hike as much now). THAT one is advertised as a 1.5-wall tent. That one basically has a full mesh interior but it IS attached to the rain fly. This is like a budget version of that one but the REI one is under 2# if you use trekking poles.
I wouldn't necessarily fear it if the material keeps the water out. And how much does the addition of a pure mesh interior really mitigate condensation? That's all about ventilation, and this one's still got a good amount of mesh to it. Just orient it for maximum flow.
Then again, if weight isn't so much an issue, you can do THAT - and have a free-standing tent - for much less than this one. But this isn't a horrible step up in price for that step down in weight.
Looks like somebody copied the Dipole at the head and foot end.
Similar design, but not a copy.
So this is basically a single wall tent? Interesting.
Yes it is. :)
It's a lot like the REI Flash Air 2 (that I'm about to sell bc I don't through hike as much now). THAT one is advertised as a 1.5-wall tent. That one basically has a full mesh interior but it IS attached to the rain fly. This is like a budget version of that one but the REI one is under 2# if you use trekking poles.
I wouldn't necessarily fear it if the material keeps the water out. And how much does the addition of a pure mesh interior really mitigate condensation? That's all about ventilation, and this one's still got a good amount of mesh to it. Just orient it for maximum flow.
Then again, if weight isn't so much an issue, you can do THAT - and have a free-standing tent - for much less than this one. But this isn't a horrible step up in price for that step down in weight.
*Laughs in TrailLark for half of the price*
In what world is $200+ budget??
It’s right within the $150-$250 range that many would say is a budget range. Tents like the Paria Bryce and Zion, Featherstone Backbone, Naturehike, lanshan, etc.
44oz, couldn’t you say 2lbs 12oz?
What about 1250gr? Much better
Seems you can't ever win when it comes to sharing weights in videos. ha ha ha! People want grams, or kilograms, or ounces or just pounds. 😁
I'm guessing it's related to most of the world just using total weight in grams, so he's used to just giving the total. Plus a lot of hikers who are worried about weight would likely first add that oz. total to the total weight their pack and kit, then convert it if they chose.
If it’s not wide enough to fit two 25”pads inside it’s not for me. Also the weight. I’m too old to carry heavy single walled tents around
1500mm hydro head is pretty garbage.
not a very roomy 2p.
Pfftt no cheap really.