The Houston Astros Are Great, No Matter How Much We Hate
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- čas přidán 14. 10. 2021
- Although they've been embroiled in scandal for the past 2 years, it's time to face the truth: The Houston Astros didn't NEED to cheat to win it all. This was proven when they almost made the World Series last year and are back on the precipice once more.
After the sign stealing scandal broke in 2019, I thought the Astros never be true contenders again. But they've proven me wrong this season, and while I won't root for them, I can at least watch them play without guilt.
So take a look into why the Astros doing what they did will linger forever, but it shouldn't diminish what they're doing now.
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Bro, thanks for being open about the team I root for.
And just to be clear every major league team has cheated some way. I don't excuse what the Astros did but they are very talented and I guess that's why a lot of people hate them now.
It's funny how the media in New York and Boston turn the blind eye to what they did.
But at the end of the day this is entertainment no matter how we slice it. Every major sport has been hit with some type of cheating scandal because of money.
I hope your fans will understand at the end of the day it's all about money!
Thank you for the great video!
Go Astros!
@@clintfowler3856 lol 😂
@@clintfowler3856 technically wasn’t caught Mike Fiers snitched
@@clintfowler3856 lmao 😂😂 you had several players and the team apologize and thats not good enough for ya.. That says it all.. You are a girly grudge holder whining about an apology??? 😂😂😂 heres the facts jack. 0.35 advantage at bat. That doesnt even change batting averages. Like seriously. The astros won at dodger stadium. At yankee stadium. And you wanna talk about toxic? Your hatred of them are toxic. We just rollin along loving what we are witnessing which is one of the best clutch teams in mlb history. What yall are advocating isnt only ridiculous and laughable its downright insane.. Get over it. It was years ago and you missing out on some great baseball bro
@@bbarnes654 did you just say and if they are not cheating now? They’re 100% not lol
@@bbarnes654 Some, not all, cheated "in the first place," b/c they made a dumb mistake, like humans are known to do. Alex Cora & Carlos Beltran brought the scheme with them, to the Astro players saying: "everyone in the league does it" (and a lot of them do). Manager A J Hinch did not approve & he took a bat to several monitors in the dugout to show his disapproval. He later said he didn't stop it like he should have b/c he "was concerned he would lose the team." (Cora & Beltran, both Puerto Rican, were very popular among the players, esp the PR players.) Of course, Hinch would do things differently now -- it was a hard learned lesson for the team, the owner, the GM, & the Manager -- cannot speak for Beltran or Cora/
The red sox won the 2018 world series and were caught cheating. Why was the focus entirely on Houston throughout this process?
Because their the Red Sox. If this exact same thing was going on in Boston, NY or LA nothing would have come of it. There is still a letter the Yankees sued to not have to open to the public. Yankees and Red Sox were fined for the watch scandal and they say it wasn’t what the Astros were doing but it was. They were using a camera to relay signs to the person wearing the watch and to the hitter. They were just quite about it instead of hitting trash cans. Beltran brought it from the Yankees with his ideas of how to improve it.
Big money clubs will NEVER be called out. It could wreck mlb money
@@marctammyfaith5966 true
I only look at the statistics. Of the players on the 2018 Red Sox team, only three improved their OPS over the prior year - Bogaerts, Benintendi and Betts - and only Betts had the best year of his career. On the other hand, other than a 40 year old Carlos Beltran, every single player (!!) on the 2017 Houston Astros improved his OPS over 2016. And, it wasn't just guys at the top of the lineup that had career years (Altuve, Correa), but guys at the bottom as well (Reddick, Marisnick, Gonzalez)
I’m a dodgers fan, I do not like the Astros at all. It is funny though how I have grown to respect them. Jose Altuve and Carlos Correa are the most clutch playoff duo I’ve ever seen.
Respect man
I’m a Astros fan and I do not like the dodgers at all😂
@@isaacburton6584 LA Gaggers used the red/green light score board to steal signs, but they didn’t get punished. No media coverage on that.
@@chanate223 tipping pitches.. Some teams are real good at that. Same result.. A low advantage.. Fact of the matter is they cant beat em. So they hate em..
@@isaacburton6584 Don't poke the bear. We need them to respect our team again so we can just play ball without the black cloud.
Proven cheaters? Kinda like every team in history that steals signs. Grow up. They got caught. Even your team and everyone else on here team cheats.
The Shot Heard 'Round the World is a perfect example.
Truth.
100% most teams are guilty the astros just the only ones that got caught
@@MrRowdy93 , not the only ones. The Apple watch gate happened at the same time, same year for Boston. The Yankees are still in court to keep their investigation under wraps. Look it up.
@@tdmallet I thought that was over
To answer your question: I've read so many comments on you tube by people saying they would look past the scandal if astros continued to be competitors.....those people are no where to be found.
Honestly, the Astros don't need to cheat to win. They're just doing the same thing every other team has been doing for years. And these other teams are acting like they're saints. I even called put a Cards fan talking trash, I was like, didn't your team hack into our computers? 😂
That St Louis incident didn't come from an Astros player, IceMan, as you probably know. There was a Cardinal employee named Chris Correa who got that club into some trouble at the time said incident happened. MLB subsequently punished the Cards.
We are the villains of the mlb. The funny thing is that we like it! GO ASTROS!!!
@@bbarnes654 well go ahead and count up another ws
@@bbarnes654 it must suck to suck!
How are they cheating? Lot of conclusions but nothing to back it up. Sounds like major envy.
@@bbarnes654 That was 2017, not relevant to this season. I dispise chesting and it is not ok. As for the current season(2021), how are the Astros cheating? Lot of conclusions but nothing to back it up. No answers. Envy big-time?
@@bbarnes654 Then by your thoughts half the pitchers in baseball should have been suspended this year alone. "The sticky stuff scandle" has been documented and look how so many pitchers spin rates dropped when the MLB started cracking down. I'm not saying what happened in 2017 was right by any means but if we go back through the history of the MLB you will find evidence of cheating everywhere and in some of its biggest moments. MLB has a habit of looking the other way when it benefits them. Look at there biggest scandle ever called the "Steriod Era". Hell Bonds stole the home run record from Aaron and nothing was done by the MLB. Almost every World Sieres winner in some way shape or form is doing something they probably shouldn't so the Astros were just par for the corse but taking that record from Aaron and rewriteing the history book that is the real tragedy.
The Astro's 2020 (60 game season) did NOT have Justin Verlander as pitcher. Gerrit Cole as pitcher, or Yordan Alverez as DH. Verlander went out early in the first inning of the first game, needing TJ surgery so he was gone for 2020 & 2021. Cole was with the NYY starting in 2020. Alvarez had to have surgery on both knees and left early in the brief 2020 season. So, the Astros showed a lot of heart & determination in the 2020 playoffs. They don't quit.
Really tired of the "see no evil, hear no evil" attitude on 'cheating' as it pertains to the other 29 teams despite all the smoke that is out there. Pretending it was only the Astros like most people do is just absurd.
Astros did not get caught cheating, they were ratted on!
Whoopie. Whether you're caught on camera or one of your accomplices sings like a canary, you did the crime.
@@redpillfreedom6692 I hope your team whoever you root for is clean as a whistle 🤡
Yeah and MLB black balled him
Yeah, just like Jeffrey Epstein got ratted out for abusing teenage girls. That makes it OK. Cheating at such a level that they weren't even playing the same game.
They did win it the right way. They smoked the piece of crap Dodgers.
They also beat LA at home in game 2 and game 7.
@@jasonelliott7977 they won in 6
@@cbenji07 actually it was seven games.
@@jasonelliott7977 yeah you're right I don't know what i was thinking
Series was tied 3 to 3 game 7 was up for grabs the Astro took it in the dodgers lost
We all know that it was Beltran and Cora that took the cheating to the Astros. Astros aren't alone in this, and that's why MLB didn't punish them as severely.
Beltran and Cora?...lol. First they don't have the power to order any camera man to do what they did. This is more high level than that. Plus how did they have anything to do with the computers that they used to decrypt the signals.
@@KTMasterWii u don’t think Alex Cora the assistant manager and Carlos Beltran the vet had enough power to make the call ur wrong
@@KTMasterWii Yes, they do, or did. They say, "Get me this - I need that." And it happens. Ballpark engineering staff isn't going to say, "Gee Mr. Cora, gee Mr. Beltran - you're not going to use that camera feed to steal signs are you?" No - the reality was the camera and feed was set with the explanation of it was for "new player development." That's from the actual report. You have no idea how it works in the clubhouse between coaches, players and support staff, do you?
@@KTMasterWii they actually came in and said that our technology was ancient. While there are no names associated with the report, there are quotes in the report.
I only look at the statistics. Of the players on the 2018 Red Sox team, only three improved their OPS over the prior year - Bogaerts, Benintendi and Betts - and only Betts had the best year of his career. On the other hand, other than a 40 year old Carlos Beltran, every single player (!!) on the 2017 Houston Astros improved his OPS over 2016. And, it wasn't just guys at the top of the lineup that had career years (Altuve, Correa), but guys at the bottom as well (Reddick, Marisnick, Gonzalez)
The Astros were hit with a $5 million penalty, four suspensions that have tarnished the careers of those affected, lost valuable draft picks, and saw the value of the franchise decline as merchandise sales tanked prior to the 2020 season. Do you think that a billionaire owner like Jim Crain just takes it in the rear like that if his lawyers can prove that others were cheating? Of course he wouldn't. He took it up the rear because he know - no on cheated like the 2017 Astros. The advantages are well documented and enormous.
Ok, full disclosure I'm an Astro fan. I'm also a former college athlete. I bring this up because I hate cheating and I was uncomfortable wearing an Astros hat outside of Houston till about a year ago because I was ashamed. Please here me out and slow your troll because this is not a fanboy post. The individual who posted this video said he did not know if the Astros would ever be able to compete for a playoff spot without cheating. The current playoff format allows four division winners and two wildcard teams. That is 6 out of 15 in each league. The Al west which the Astros are in is not exactly a horrible division but it is not the Nl west or Al east either. Furthermore, those people that do not follow the Astros or get to watch 162 games a year do not see the overall talent. The cheating was at home with the bull pen cameras and the trash cans which is what Mike Fiers and the MLB said. If you know anything at all about baseball with all due respect to the author of this video you have to win on the road to win a world championship including during the regular season. Teams that do not learn how to win in tough environments can be solid but never great. In 2017 the so called fake championship year. In 2017 the Astros had a better road record than home record. How many people point that out. They also won 2 world series games including game 7 on the road against a Dodgers team that was awesome at home. In the ALCS against Yankees NY scored I believe 3 runs in 4 games in Houston. The Astros won the first two games at home in that series 2-1. The cameras sure were not helping much those games. When you score 3 runs in 4 games as the Yankees did in the ALCS on the road a pennant is very hard to win. Yes in game 7 of the World Series do I believe Dodgers starter YU Darvish was tipping his pitches and the Astros picked up on that, yes absolutely. However, a team taking advantage of that is NOT CHEATING. That's been happening since Babe Ruth and before then even. It is a teams job to prevent that. If you disagree with that you do not know baseball. Finally, what the Astros did was shitty and I hate it as a life long fan. But when people say like this author of this video he did not know if they would ever compete for a playoff spot or be a contender without cheating that is ridiculous. They were 53-28 on the road without the bullpen camera during that season. I'm not excusing anything I was ashamed of it. Just take this in to account, when you only watch a team a few times a year during the post season it is hard to really know how good they are. Furthermore, did Justin Verlander suddenly become good because of outfield cameras while the Astros were HITTING. Finally, I never write these or usually care about all this talk. But the author of this video saying he did not think the Astros could exist without cheating is ridiculous. So if you want to hate them I really do not blame you. I hate the Dodgers and Yankees payroll and buying wins. Is that a form of cheating? Nah even though I hate it and its bad for the game. What the Astros did was bad for the game but not even ever contending again is a crazy thing to say. If you believe that you do not know baseball. Before i get trolled I promise you I hate what they did in 2017 especially because I believe they were the best team that season with or without cameras.
The thing is that the player who get the most hate, Altuve, is the only one who didnt cheat. His average dipped probably bc of confidence or just a slump. But its been said by not only astros players, but players from other teams like miggy. Theres also footage of altuve getting mad when the astros banged the trash can while he was up to bat. Its a shame bc he has an easy HoF career, and 99% of fans think he is the bad guy. Its tarnishing his reputation.
He will still make the HOF easily
What most fans do not know is that in 2017 the Yankees and Red Sox were using tech to relay pitches to their hitters. Rob Manfred visited Houston in late July of that year and AJ Hinch met with him and complained about the cheating by the Yankees and Red Sox that had been going on since 2016. Manfred said his typical “we will look into it” and did nothing. This was widely reported by the Houston media at the time. Once the Astros saw that the commissioner’s office was not going to punish the cheating teams, the Astros began to devise and use their cheating system. In short, they out cheated the cheaters and won the World Series in 2017. Since 2020, a lot has come out about all of this and indeed, the Yankees and Red Sox were found to have cheated. The Yankees fought tooth and nail to keep the commissioner’s letter sealed while many of their players hypocritically badmouthed the Astros. The Red Sox’s Chris Sale spoke out about many teams cheating in baseball. I’m not condoning cheating in any way here. Just saying that there was more to this than was reported in the national media. So there it is, the whole story.
@@chapoopy400 I hope so I love Altuve
The Astros are simply the best team in baseball. Every team cheats the hate is unreal MLB owes the Astros an apology. If the same thing would had happened to the Yankees Red Sox or Dodgers whom have cheated many times in the past they just get a slap on the wrist its insane and unfair to the Astros.
No one respects the Houston Disastros. They are a disgrace. I say this after congratulating the Disastrous in 2017.
No respect for Houston.
@@madrecka The respect of pig headed, small minded sports "fans" is overrated.
@@madrecka
No one cares about the respect of a hypocrite. So your opinion is irrelevant
@@matt_h_27 I wished your team Congratulations after the 2017 WS before anyone knew that they cheated.
Disastros are a disgrace to MLB and for your city of Houston.
@@madrecka take your congratulations and put it where the sun dont shine
There’s so much info out there about Altuve not taking signs and about the buzzer bullshit, give it a rest.
You have to understand that they stole signs because they felt they needed to keep up with norm in baseball. How do you get guys like Bassit, Votto, and texiera saying there were other teams doing stuff.
I’m just tired of the constant crying over something that’s been going on in baseball for decades. The league never chose to do anything about it. They even knew Houston was doing it and didn’t act. The report stated that 12-13 teams had reported Houston and the system was less effective because teams changed their signs so much.
Now there’s reports from Duke university and baseball prospectus that show the sign stealing system really didn’t provide them any advantage and many times hurt them. So this entire “only won because they stole signs” thing is bs.
Bottom line they cheated, yea but stop with the hypocrisy. This sport is riddled with cheaters. The Astros aren’t the first team to steal signs and win a World Series. There have been teams that stole signs and lost World Series. Quite a few actually. There’s also teams that stole signs and lost 100s of games. I’m just saying quit bitching because there’s a high chance your fave team stole signs.
As for the video maker, you’re a Mets fan?? lol read Mike Scott’s book, he talks about the Mets stealing signs from 79-82 with a camera and tv in the bullpen. BP catcher would relay signals to the hitter. Mets never finished above 500 over this time.
There a long history of sign stealing in this league. From telescopes, binoculars, cameras, wired buzzers, light bulbs, scoreboards. It’s absolutely amazing people think the Astros started this.
Yeah but no one else cheats electronically like they did, that’s an unfair advantage. Other teams stole signs from second base and didn’t have codebreaker
@@noahriccione1479 In 2017, the same year the Astros cheated, the Red Sox were given a warning for using apple watches to steal the Yankees signs
@@noahriccione1479 Right, even though Beltran brought the system over from the Yankees, saying the Astros were "behind the times"
@@noahriccione1479 I don’t understand what it matters the methods of electronics. What does that matter when a player from a team can use binoculars, get the signs and relay them to the hitter just as quickly. The use of cameras to steal signs started making its way into baseball around the 70s. The 70s Indians were one of the biggest culprits but never had anyone spill the beans on their team afaik. We’ve had a few instances of former players talk about their teams doing it. McDowell said the ChiSox used cameras in the managers office and had a toggle switch to flick a light on the scoreboard which would top hitters, Mike Scott said his Mets used cameras in the bullpen and signaled the hitter from the pen. I still don’t follow your logic. How are binoculars and telescopes any different. Codebreaker was nothing more than a spreadsheet that was used to figure out signal sequences. Honestly I’m over this. They cheated. The sport is filled with cheaters. If fans wanna plug their ears and close their eyes when we talk about the games history so they can be mad at the Astros then whatever. so who cares I’m done trying to convince people about things they don’t want their mind changed about. At this point we can find out other teams were doing it in 2015-17 and people won’t care.
@@noahriccione1479 seriously after all you read to get to this response? It clearly says there were a lot of other teams using electronics to steal signs and you still come back with “ yeah but they were the only team “?
I honestly think man that ppl are on they're high horse and are living under a rock. And alot of fans don't even watch baseball enough but are controlled by espn and media world since most analysts are yankee fans. To believe astros were the only team using video cameras even when joe girardi slipped on mlb . They quickly covered it up astros were the scapegoat but nobody wants to admit it. Every team cheats and you know it. With that being said was upset with the astros myself as astro fan but never turned on them. Real fans dont just jump on the band wagon only when they're doing good
Especially when the advantages are so low at bat. Still gotta pitch still gotta field and ya still gotta hit the damn ball.
Also, if you're going to cover the scandal, at least you can acknowledge that all reporting says Altuve and two other players weren't taking part in the scandal.
This is true. Correa said specifically that Jose Altuve was disgusted by the cheating. He wanted to try and win honestly without cheating and actually got mad when teammates were sending him the signs. Unfortunately, his older, less talented teammates would not allow him to try to win on an even playing field. I respect Altuve for taking that stand, and I hope that years from now, people will remember this when he is considered for the Hall of Fame. It would be a shame if he were excluded the way Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa and other famous cheaters have been excluded.
Bro, all those away games the Astros had to win with out cheating, and on top of that most teams had been cheating. Cheating also as been a thing in baseball since it’s inception. And even as a mlb hitter if you know what pitch is coming.you still
Have to hit it. Just an fyi
@TownOfTheWolves All good points. Baseball is also a game of fate. Even if cheating was tried in a specific at-bat, you don't know what will happen, and the end result could be a number of different things. Pop-up, line-out, base hit, homer, strikeout, foul, and on and on. You can't often control fate when a pitch comes to you. A batter must try to make contact and hope for the best.
Astros still cant win without the trash cans
@@slicc9048 A Good Fulfilled Person doesn't need to Break anyone down. All they want to do is Build You Up. Anyone who Bullies you and makes you feel not Lifted, are dealing with something Deep-Rooted. Hurting people Hurt people. Bring a better person is so much more Rewarding. Think about it. Go Stros !!
@@rosettaokabayashi2030 A good fulfilled person does not make excuses for cheaters. Astros recent failures in winning the WS after their exposure for cheating are proof they cant win without the trashcans. Astros in 2017 had a lot of talent on that team, maybe even better than their last one but its too bad we'll never fully know bc they chose to cheat. It was a choice and collectively as a team, they went down that road. Blah blah blah. Sugarcoating it is not going to help matters. Blah blah blah.....
@@rosettaokabayashi2030 And a good fulfilled team doesn’t need to cheat
And what about the apple watch cheating the Red Sox and Yankees!?!???! The players didn't get punished, NO ONE EVEN TALKS ABOUT IT. Hypocrites
The simple explanation is that the games they played while they were cheating did not revolve around it nearly as much as people think. Not to excuse the cheating they did do. But it wasn't some all consuming strategy. The games and the game plan didn't revolve around it nearly as much as people think.
I'm an Astros fan and have been through about 50 years. Your hatred is irrational and I love it!
It's strange how so many that cover baseball refuse to read or overlook the collective bargaining agreement. Which says players can't really be punished for stealing signs
Well most people do not have a copy of the CBA just lying around.
@@jamescook6564 google is on every device, including the one you're using to be here. And if you're going to talk about a subject, you should research it first
The players did not impliment the cheating btw. The Astros signed Carlos Beltran who just came from the Rangers and Yankees informed the Astros players that they were "behind the times" on their sign stealing operation and proceeded to implement the system. Beltran was the one who told everyone what other teams were doing and how the Astros could compete. The Astros won the world series, beating the Red Sox, Yankees, and Dodgers, had a disgruntled player who we did not resign and now here we are, the face of the scandal. It was a perfect storm but this was not something Altuve, Correa, Bregman and Springer got bored and cooked up for fun.
Exactly. and Altuve was reportedly disgusted by the cheating, and wanted to try to win honestly without cheating. Correa said he actually got mad when teammates tried to give him the signs - against teams that had 100+ losses like the White Sox and the mariners. You can imagine how sickening that must have been for a talented player like Altuve - seeing shitty career players like Marisnick and Gonzalez hitting like MVP candidates. How awful for Altuve.
The red sox cheated under cora in 2018 when they won the world series so people need to stop hating on the astros and i am a yankee fan
Every team has cheated one shape or form
When mentioning stats for 2020, the nose dive was probably due to the Rona, which you didn’t even mention. That’s where the asterisk should be. A shortened season and lower stat numbers for a very unusual baseball season makes sense to me.
@@bbarnes654 or maybe they never really "cheated" to any meaningful degree. To this day nobody can tell me which specific atbats? How many? What impact did they have on the game?
It's also important to note stealing signs is not cheating. Banging on a trashcan to relay "stolen" signs is not "cheating."
It's also important to note that the supposed camera in question was not placed in centerfield by the Astro organization.
@@bbarnes654 jokeboy had one video with like 7 kinda maybe was he looking to the bullpin "evidence." That can't be the "evidence" you're talking about?
@@bbarnes654 300 bangs? Let me see that video evidence?
I think that it probably took them some time to get used to playing honestly, no? When you can rely on signals to tell you what pitch is coming, you don't need to study film or scouting reports, no late night study sessions like all of the other teams. Just wait for the bang or the buzz or what ever. If all of the sudden you have to begin studying scouting reports again, and try to guess what pitchers will throw, it's probably tough.
He made this video with tears in his eyes 😭
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
l 😂
You're done well. You must have really struggled to climb out of the Qanon level Astros hate well that was dug by the ravenous media. Solid video work and content.
@@bbarnes654 how many atbats did they bang a trashcan? Can we pinpoint them? That's a real question
@@bbarnes654 Point to one trash can bang during the postseason in 2017. Also explain how banging a trash can is even effective to begin with
Astros cant win without their trash cans.
@@slicc9048 Yea keep telling yourself that lol. They literally been to the WS twice since.
@@sjchac And lost twice without the trash cans and only won when using trash cans.
Could I forgive The Yankees, LA Dodgers and the Red Sox for cheating as well 🤔
Nope.
Well atleast the yankmees are still hated more than us.
@@bbarnes654 you're high as giraffe pus*y if you think NY doesn't cheat lmao
@@bbarnes654 They all cheat? Also agreed.
They cheated with Boston in England 2019
They were better on the road in 2017 than they were at home with the trash cans. The truth has been there all along. The sign stealing really wasn't a game changing advantage like so many people seem to think it was.
It was used in moderation mostly because of how obvious it was.
If you hate The Astros because of the morality of what they did. I'm totally cool with that. But they have proven for years now that the trash cans had basically no effect on how good the team is.
Exactly. It could easily be argued that the trash cans and cameras were more of a hindrance than a help.
@@matt_h_27 Also, guys like Reddick and Altuve didn't even use the the trash can bangs at all.
Where as guys like Springer, Correa, and Bregman did.
Honestly I don’t really understand why it’s so bad (I know it’s wrong shh). Like, they could do the exact same thing with an MLB TV subscription.
The advantages are so low its laughable. It was more chicken 💩 then anything. Why are we still talking about this nonsense?
And they are back in the world series
You need to get the facts straight. There was no cheating in 2019. 2020 was messed up for everyone. Stros made it 1 game away from the WS.
So they didn't cheat in 2019. And lost. They didn't cheat in 2020. And lost. Didn't cheat in 2021. And lost.
The verdict is in: Astros can't win a ring without cheating. 2017 is illegitimate.
@@redpillfreedom6692 The verdict is they are the best AL team in the last 5 seasons. What happened to the Yankees with all the star players and the Dodgers? No one expected the Astros to make it this far. They lost key players and had no pitching the last 2 seasons and still had great seasons. Where is your team?
@@Kenyon712
I don't have a team. Which is besides the point; that the Astros can't win without cheating and 2017 is illegitimate.
@@redpillfreedom6692 Because you don’t know sports. You are embarrassing yourself. Astros are a great team. You’ll be watching them next year saying the same thing.
@@Kenyon712
So great they can't win a title without cheating.
I will never stop being an Astros fan.
For life
All teams cheat in some way ..Astros just got hated on.
it’s not fair to look at a mickey mouse season like 2020 for stat comparison, everyone has slumps in 60 games. you have to look at full season stats like 2019 vs 2021
One more thing in that 2017 season we had a better road Record than we did at home Record boyzzzz 5 consecutive ALCS second most in Major League Baseball history
Astros are not concerned how much you like or dislike them. They are a great team and about to win another WS
They’ve never won a World Series. What are you talking about?
Hating the Stros Is stupid. Move on already....Havent cheated since grow up
No evidence on any other years other than 2017. They are on the road to redemption and hopefully earn the respect of everyone in future. I myself respect all teams and as an Astros fan we deserve the backlash however we need to move on. Baseball fans are a family in the sport and we must respect each other. Peace!
Cool video, but seems like you kept saying they cheated 2017-2019... thats not true.
The players didn't implement the cheating btw, Cora and Beltran implemented it after coming from the yankees saying the Astros were behind the times on stealing signs. Right about everything else in the video tho.
Actually no there are more mistakes lol. Brantley wasn't on the 2017 and you didn't mention that every mlb players stats were reduced during the 2020 season.
Prove the buzzer….I’ll wait
Dumbest theory ever.. An electric current shocking you one second before you face 100mph?!.. Never happen.. Would… Never… Happen..
The Astros are one of the best teams ever in baseball and we won that 2017 World Series in Dodger Stadium they had two games to seal it up and didn't cheat that lol
I love the Astros
People need to also realize that baseball isn't just about hitting. It's also fielding and pitching. Players also throw that slider or make a diving catch. It's practically laughable that folks jump to conclusions about cheating, but you have to have all of those things to be able to win in the game. You can't control fate.
I like this video . And it probably was hard to do like he said. Thank you and respect to you for making it. 🙏🏼
Here after the clutch performance over the Red Sox yesterday.. I use to hate ..but they are amazing 👏.. Was on edge of this game
This video is now redundant as of 11/02/21
Can cannot tell you thank you enough for making this video
There are still people who use this as an excuse for us actually doing good in 2020 and 2021, especially now that we’re in the World Series again.
I know what we did was bad, like BAD. But we’re in a new era, and our sins aren’t based on cheating but skill.
As well as people think we’re the only team that has ever cheated. The media just made us look bad just because we had gone to the World Series twice.
I’m going to stop before I upset people but still, Thank you!!!!
Man we have to win it all this year, we finally after all the hate and heartbreak have a chance to shut everyone up, let’s go stros
The Astros 2017 and 2018 system seems the same at what the Yankees and Red Sox were punished for with the Apple watches to relay the pitch, just using a trash can bang instead of having the players wear a watch and buzz them.
Dude Altuve didn't cheat. It's widely known. The other stuff I can't argue with, but Altuve deserves an apology from the national media and more respect.
Correction: MLB said the Astros cheated in 2017 and early 2018. They were ratted on by a former pitcher who still has HIS ring as well. The Astros stopped in 2018 because they realized it wasn't helping them much. They were never accused by the MLB of cheating in 2019 or afterwards . . . and they were under a microscope, for sure.
2022 was a banner year for the ‘stros 🎉
Too bad they can't win world series without cheating! Go Braves!!!
Already did that in Gane 7 2017 WS? Next
Thank you for being honest with yourself about my team, I think the best thing we did this year and to many people's dismay we embraced the villain role. Only thing I will say in their defense even though there honestly isn't one is that if people stepped back and asked themselves if their team was cheating... they may be surprised to find out they might be. No that doesn't excuse the Astros in any way, but to say they were the only one doing it just wouldn't be fair to them or baseball. Since many ex players have come in their defense to say lots of teams were doing it, either way it's still cheating. Sorry for the ramble lol, good video
H-town still on top 🕺🏽🕺🏽
N.Y. & L.A. will always have recognition over the subpar City of Houston.
Gey used to it.
@@madrecka nice job making the ws series Yankees fan
No one has proven cheating at all.
Hate.. That explains it all folks. Toxic hateraid. Lets be frank. The astros netted a whopping (😂) 0.35 advantage at home games in the regular season lasting until the beginning of 2018 as per mlb. That didnt even change batting averages and many teams were using the same schemes. Throughout the history of mlb. Relaying signs has been very common but somehow the astros are the bain in this. Roids which actually did change batting averages and stole batting titles are all but largely forgotten. Back in the day you got caught relaying signs you got tossed at, teased and then moved tf on. Yet here we are YEARS later and its the same played out argument. What are we little girls holdin on to little highschool girl grudges? The astros in 2019 hit as good as murderers row and lost in the WS. The red sox in 18 used the scheme against the astros. You dont see them whining about it and it wouldn't have changed anything. The scheme nets too low an advantage to use it as sour grapes which is what yall are displaying years later at that. In 2020 they were a game away from yet another ws. They got hit. Got in fights. Lost a great manager lost a great gm. Got fined. Lost draft picks and was booed from coast to coast. Was it chicken 💩? Yes it was. But its laughable to me how long this has gone on and how played out the argument is. Get over it. Hate. That is the word. Think about that. You got new players on that roster. New management. Same great organization same great farm teams and we are missing out on some great baseball wasting our time on a scheme that netted a whopping (😂) 0.35 advantage?? Pull the string out and get over it. It makes you all look like little teenage mean girls.. 😂
Got lucky haaa
They went to ALCS 5 years straight
Fast forward now and they beat the brakes off Boston but fell to the Braves in the WS. I'm a die hard Astros fan and I am upset that the first WS title was as a result of cheating. I mean I waited 33 years for that moment! But 4 years later, there is nothing anyone can do but be mad at the result. This is a different team with the exception of 5 hitters (including the return of Marwin Gonzales). The media, especially Max Kellerman, needs to get over the whole trashcan scandal and already proven wrong buzzer accusations. As a fan, what I hate is the fact that the Astros were made an example of when other teams and players simply got a slap on the wrist for cheating. And you can't say this was worse when Boston was fined for using Apple devices in the dugout. At the end of it all, it's Houston vs America and I think we have adopted a new slogan, "Make America Mad Again", as we continue to dominate and have people brining up the past like Cowboy fans bring up titles from before some of their players were even born.
Shadowbeast 2K , I love that, Make America Mad Again. Great Thought !
Go Stros !
I agree to that.. though I hope Astros redeem themselves and to be honest I have faith in them. I was disappointed when the scandal broke out but what can we do?
I hope they get the gold and prove themselves great
How did this work out?
I'm a Boston red Sox fan but people have been cheating for years now so what's the differwnce
Dude sounds like he hit the sobriety wall lol
The players did not create the cheating system. It was introduced by Carlos Beltran and Alex Cora because they were "behind the times" compared to the league.
How did they win 2 in LA?
I think I may be in the minority of Astros fans, but I was pissed when I found out about the scandal. I was legitimately depressed for a week or so. I knew from the beginning they didn’t need it. I didn’t even really watch them last year because I couldn’t bring myself to accept that it had happened. But damn you have to love the heart they show when they play. I love this team but damn love hurts sometimes.
I respect that. Jose Altuve himself was reported to have been disgusted by the cheating and wanted to try to win honestly in 2017, but was prevented from doing so by other players. I am glad he got his legitimate championship in 2022. They should bury the memory of 2017, as it isn't a sing of pride for anyone. Just embarrassment and shame. 2022 is redemption.
Lmfaoo let’s go Astros!!!! Haters gonna hate
The lack of punishment for the players was due to the granting of immunity for them, without that the MLB would not have gotten all the info on it. One piece of credit I give the Astros is they owned up to it, the 2018 Red Sox didn’t do the same when it seemed they clearly did the same thing after their new coach came from the Astros. On top of all that, wasn’t it in the reports this all started with the Astros by Beltran bringing the Yankees system with him?
It’s time to let it go since almost nobody is left on the Astros from then anyway. The Yankees are the perfect example of a team who are letting the Astros live rent free in their heads instead of just worrying about themselves. At least Alex Cora of the Red Sox had the good sense to keep his team focused on the field versus the past in the 2021 ALCS.
blah blah blah......your repeating old history. How many times does the story need to be told. Its like how many movies do we need of the titanic sinking. Get over it move on ....go stros
Jose altuve didn't want them to rip his jersey because they ripped his the last time and he couldn't put it in a frame. He just wanted to keep the jersey and frame it
It's frustrating that the whole scandal happened. But common sense, looking at numbers, just minutes of research can actually show it wasn't the scandal that everyone made it out to be. It feels more like it's used as an excuse more than anything else. It's also funny how other teams cheated but nobody cares because they didn't have the actual talent to drive them to win.
I think part of the reason for the 2020 drop off was all the attention from the sign stealing issue was just coming to light. It had to have been a bit of a weight on their shoulders.
How have this aged poorly....
When the Red Sox cheat in the same way, we forget about it but when the Astros do it, it’s a national tragedy.
Agree 100%. They played honestly in 2022 and won. Their hitting was 40 points lower than 2017, but they played honestly, and deserved to win. In 2017 on the other hand, they cheated "throughout the postseason". See, MLB Report on Astros Cheating, page 3 para. 2. So 2017 is just something that should be buried. An embarrassment for this proud franchise. 2017 is something to be proud of. They weren't cheating - they hit nearly 40 points lower than the cheating 2017 team, but they played great baseball and had magnificent pitching. The probably even studied scouting reports on opposing pitchers! They didn't have to do that in 2017.
Let's go Astros!!!!!!!!!!
GO ASTROS!
I been fan since I was a child. My family will always been followers for years. We would go to game as a family. I believe in the team. Good luck to this team. Family as team’s members are very close to each other and believe in their talents as professional. I will continue being fan. Go Astros to win WW Series 2021. Forgive and forget their hate attitudes. Continue working together.
Yuli is now batting champ! 😁😁🤘🤘
The stros didn’t cheat in 2019 that’s why it’s not crazy that they did good again
It also came out that the Astros didn’t cheat in 2019 soooooooooooooo
Astros 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥✅
Astros are the 1990's Braves
Astros are a great team, plain and simple. Most teams with a poorly managed minor league system would be decimated with the losses of Springer, Cole, and Correa. Yet here they are in 2022 still one of the leagues top 3 teams despite losing a lot of top end talent and Gurriel not even being remotely close to his 2021 form. This year they have a ton of depth, which I primarily contribute as the main factor for this year’s success thus far.
This organization has excellent player development. A guy goes down and they just plug someone in their spot and keep winning. They draft well, make smart decisions when trading, and refuse to mortgage the future on one player.
Everyone was skeptical about them letting Correa walk. You lost Springer and Cole, surely they won’t let Correa get away. Wrong. Jeremy Peña has been a most welcomed addition for them at a fraction of the price, which allows them to hone in on key FAs and trades during the season because they aren’t bogged down with high salary players.
2017-18.
I might like 2 teams that cheated. Astros Red Sox.
But they made the world series and played very great
Get over it,,,u think there the only ones that cheated??they just got caught,,,,but look at them now,,,,yall though since the couldn't cheat anymore they wouldn't be were they at now,,but look at were they at now!!!
Why don't you do a video on the Yankees and Red Sox and explain to us why MLB never released "the report" on what the Yankees did? Just asking?
Let's get this right. Everyone cheats it's a high school system, I don't care if you're in construction, retail, or mlb. The astros in this case were the fall guys. They took it too far, and bam MLB came down hard on them. This said, their talent at each position is hard to match.
So then why all the hate ? Honestly people just get off having something or someone to be their target for all their pent up rage... people who know baseball know that every single team has stolen signs so it just makes it seem like all of the people booing the Astros are just ignorant AF about baseball in general.
Love it ! #GOSTROS#713 🔥💯⚾️
How are they looking now? :)
They may have cheated during the 2017 season team season but they won the World Series in dodger stadium I know we didn't cheat on the road but thanks for your open opinion #22WorldSeriesChampionAstros
Yawn, nothing to see here. GO ASTROS!!!!I'm wondering who his club is????
🕺🏽 where still the best🕺🏽
Camera was never proven.
lol they went from 1st - 20th and still went to the ws
lmfao 7 games both times
come on bro wake up
No, you hypocrite, they didn't take it farther than anyone before. They used the same system as the Yankees. They were absolutelt scapegoated