Logitech ALMOST made the Perfect Keyboard - Logitech G815 Keyboard Review
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The Logitech G815 mechanical keyboard is up there with one of the most amazing keyboards I have ever used. Seriously no joke. Hate them or love them but Logitech keeps on raising the bar and this keyboard is no different.
The ultra-low-profile Romer gl mechanical switches are SOOOO satisfying to type on (the version I got was the linear red switch) and make hardly any noise while typing. The body is made of aluminium which is expected given the price of the keyboard as well as the RGB which is fully customizable in the Logitech G Hub software so you can sync it up with all of your other Logitech g hub peripherals suck as the g pro wireless mouse and g935 wireless headphones for example.
Now I know it might seem like a bit of a nitpick but the fact the secondary characters on the number row and symbol area do not light up is just plain up annoying, especially since I know that there will be a lot of gamers/pc enthusiast/programmers etc who will use this keyboard at night a lot for more than just gaming and will probably find it frustrating not being able to see those keys.
So will I use this keyboard as my daily driver.. probably not. Which really bums me out.
Thanks again to Logitech for sending out this product for review! See you all in the next one!
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I just got a G815 and DAMN do i love it! It just feels so good to write on, i can't explain how good it feels just typing out this comment haha
what switch, the clicky one?
does it connected to the Ghub please I gotta know ; - ;
Had a Razer Chroma for 3 years and my space bar latch was broken for awhile but finally gave out..G815 was on sale and same day shipping...I CAN FINALLY GET RID OF RAZER PROGRAMS ON MY PC AND IM SO DAMN HAPPY! Night and
@@arumosvasiaki9212 yes, it does
@@arumosvasiaki9212 he said that it does in the vid
If you remove a keycap you can see why the lighting is the way it is. The new Logitech switches (as opposed to the old Romer-Gs) have centered stems for attaching the keycaps, and therefore the LED is displaced to the top of the switch, which is why it only shines through to the primary legend symbols. There are advantages to this, as switch design is more uniform across their product line, and it allows for keycaps to be replaced more easily. On Romer-G switches all the symbols are lit up because the LED is centered under the keycap.
Unfortunately romer-g is dead
@@BrickBazooka Not unfortunately. Those stems for the keycaps are so damn easy to break. Logitech is actually straight up replacing my keyboard with the G815, which is why I am here.
@Joseph Joestar but if I have a led keyboard I want all symbols to be illuminated. with romerg that was possible
@@BrickBazooka you win, you lose some. You will eventually memorize where all the keys are if you type enough. I will much rather have a durable switch/keycap design than having better backlight. The number of times my keys would just come off during game or get lodged between the switches is incredibly high. I would straight up not be able to move backwards, check the scoreboard, or crouch.
take a look at an original corsair strafe, this keyboard and probably others also have their led situated above the switch and have both characters as passthrough lighting, they are slightly dimmer however id much prefer this to no backlighting at all
A keyboard review without actually lighting it up and doing a sound test.
It’s lit up for the entire first half of the video.
I'm glad he didn't do the sound or unboxing test because it's ridiculous & doesn't make sense. And he made a good call pointing out the negative.
The only reason why I clicked on the video was to hear the sound test lol
@@MysteriousLag same.
Do people buy keyboards for their sound? Mind you, I guess it would be good to know how quiet it is.
I got this keyboard for 189 AUD off pccasegear, and I love it. The secondary lighting issue isnt a problem for me as I've memorised where they are. Plus I use them mostly when my lights are on. I used a cougar vantar MX beforehand and this keyboard suits me way better. I almost like the fact that there is no light for secondary keys as it makes the keyboard almost look "cleaner"
It just goes to show that all of this stuff goes to personal preference
The G810 is one of the few mechanical keyboard that is virtually color bleed free due to it's Rommer G switch design.The LED is completely encapsulated inside the key. Not exposed at all, but there is not clicking version of it, yet.
And the media volume key still not tactile in all Logitech keyboard which give you a cheap sensation.
My main problem with this keyboard is that the actuation point isn't tied to the actual "click" you hear and feel. Sometimes it can be before, sometimes it can be after, and it all depends on the angle you press the key.
Hey I saw your post on Reddit and somehow instantly knew you were the same person who posted that video showing this flaw. :P
This is great! I've never spent this much on a keyboard before couldn't decide if I should go for it, but this review has convinced me :) The oversight with the symbols is shame but I think I can live with that for the low profile :P Thanks for this keep up the good work!
Glad I could help!
@@SocialHardware I have since bought this and god damn it is fun
Nice!
Honestly with the lights on the shift options being the biggest problem and the price going down as substantially as it has in the past couple years It’s still rating as the top low profile keyboard in 2022 I’ll definitely be buying one
I've been using this keyboard for 8 months. (Tactile version)
Very pleased with the performance when typing and playing FPS. (Apex Legends)
My only cons are, none replacement keycaps and secondary characters are hard to see at night, however I don't normally need them when gaming.
The keyboard does not come with a hand rest. I know this is a subjective perception, but would you say that the missing hand rest could be a con ,too?
@@zockonto9131 Personally I would say no but then I've never used, nor needed, one to be fair. I get more fatigue from my mouse hand.
Thank you
At this price point I would not be able to make a compromise with anything. That lighting issue is a deal braker for me as well! What were they thinking? I've been on the hunt for a low profile mechanical keyboard for almost six months and I still haven't found one that suits my needs. Eventhough there are so many manufacturers and models out there, there is just no versatility. I game a bit and I also type quite often. I would love to get my hands on a full size low profile keyboard that has good build quality, rgb backlights (all symbols should be visible ofc), braided cable, standard indicator lighst for num caps and scroll locks (lots of logitech models are missing those), no macros (especially on the left side making a keyboard longer than it needs to be), no usb passtrhroughs (I just don't find them useful), and most importantly I want a layout that has the big enter key and the long left shift key - a hybrid between ANSI and UK layout. I would gladly pay >300$ for a keyboard like that!!! And I am positive I am not the only one! Sadly I can't find such!
@@SocialHardware That would be really nice. It's a great idea and I hope that a company out there will pick it up and start making some good profit :)
About the light... I never look at the keyboard for typing anyway so I don't really care.
Was that an almost nine minute keyboard review without typing on the keyboard?
Correct hahaha
The backlighting secondary key function isn't a huge issue for me and I'm really happy with the purchase. I do like the mention of it as the negatives people say about a product generally say more about it than the positive reviews. So far I'm loving it. It'll take a moment to get accustomed to the lighter keypress but I think it's going to ultimately result in a more enjoyable typing experience.
This is the second video where I've seen the lack of secondary symbol lighting called out. I was so ready to purchase this. Maybe they'll get it right in an update / second version.
ikr. But maybe we get scratch it out ourselves
its not even that bad
if ur good at typing then you dont look at the keyboard
and lets not forget the metric fuck ton of keyboards out there that dont even have rgb
For them who’s not used to typning alot might need to looks frequenly at them keys while typning...
But for us regular nerds who does not need too look, for us This keyboard is a superb choice. 👍🏻
OMG I almost went to JB to get this but none have demos to try it out. Thanks for pointing the lighting issue and its a dealbreaker for me .. Now I feel I might get the Corsair k70 mk2 brown or the k95 xt brown if I get a good deal...
@@SocialHardware Did you end up returning the G815. Seems no stock anywhere for the Corsair boards, want to get it before tax time ;)
Corsair keybooards, 2 rma's. the double typing after not even a year of use is unbearable. top of the line keyboard, and i ggget double and triple typingg keys. its annoying. i havent even had this rma for 5 months yet. im so done. btw corsair rma was a pain in the ass. :( tried every fix, just kinda stuck now.
yes, Razer blackwidow 2016 I think is the one I have and the lighting is the same on this one, the numbers and letters are see through for RGB but the symbols and stuff are not and are really dull. A big struggle to deal with
I guess keyboard preferences are subjective. I love how quiet the keys are. I can type for days on this keyboard without getting tired. Unfortunately for me my hands are too big for the keyboard and I end up fat-fingering the one and apostrophe keys more often then I care to admit. Same with my shift and caps key. I'll try this keyboard for another week to see if I'll get used to it but I may change this out for the G910. Man I do like the quiet keys though.
I just got this keyboard yesterday and I really like it. I'd probably like it more if it weren't for the "G buttons" on the side that feel a bit awkward but I guess I'll get used to them eventually. I usually orient myself by using F and J so typing isn't that big of an issue but it feels awkward to not have the escape button on the absolute top left.
I love that it's made of metal and the weight makes it stand super firmly on the table. Also, as someone who's only had laptops for the last 12 years, the low profile feels familiar and nice. Pressing the keys feels really "satisfying" (couldn't find a better word for it). Just the right resistance to feel light but still a bit firm.
Is it worth the price though? I'm not sure. I only got it because I purchased another Logitech keyboard a few weeks ago that was defective and I got the price of that one off from this one so it didn't feel as expensive as it would have.
Would ya say it's worth it still over a high keycap profile?
@@DVTHEFOX Yes :)
Your Review helped me a lot. Thank you
You’re welcome champ! Thanks for watching 🙂
I realized before you had said it that it was the secondary characters that aren't lit. It was easy to notice as I was using my PC in the dark. I concluded that it is a GAMING keyboard so when you look down in the dark, you see the character you need to see. I am really liking this keyboard. I bought it retail for $169.99 + tax in Dec 2022 and for the money, if I want something made a little better designed with a bit more high quality materials, I have to spend $100 more. Very happy for under $200 incl tax.
To be fair, if you're doing something which requires the use of shift-modified characters (text editing), the environment should be lit well enough to see them anyway.
Gaming doesn't care about those secondary characters and office work should be done in a well-lit room.
These are just my opinions.
This man has the fact on speed dial
Also most people memorize their keyboard layout after continuous use to the point they don't need to look anymore. It's really a sort of a non-issue overall
So, for touch typers, this keyboard is perfect.
What is a Touch typer
@@BrickBazooka Someone who can type efficiently without looking at their keyboard
To be far most backlit keyboards I have used has that same thing where the secondary inputs are not back lit, so this is not a deal breaker for me.
Thanks for sharing!
I just got this board for $200 on bestbuy, and I wont lie it was offputting not seeing the secondary inputs of the keys, but it doesn't matter too much. I've been typing for so long, I already know what buttons do what secondary input, like & without having too look at it. 7 = & 6 = ^ 3 = #
these are things we just learn after decades of board use.
@@SocialHardware very true, you're not wrong on that. But I was pleasantly surprised how much a tiny thing felt so durable. I'm used to massive bricks of a keyboard, so I was scared at first when I got this one, (was the only one Bestbuy had stocked in-store) but it's growing on me
you can’t do a keyboard review and not have a sound test 😫
YES YOU CAN IT DEPENDS ON THE KEYS NOT THE KEYBOARD
@@AshleyBurgoyne i know, right
It's not a very loud keyboard, at least to one's I've had before
I know, it's like watching a review on a piece of musical equipment without even hitting a note... = waste of time
What s the difference between lineare and tactile? Because I can t find a linear version for this keyboard , out of stock 😭
This has the same issue my old G710+ does. The marking on the the keys when you use shift are not lite up. I spend time looking for them .There difficult to see. Also had my A and S keys shaft break. To replace them you have to buy complete key set.
Y'all ever watch reviews of products you already own? Because yeah, that's what I'm doing now. Got this keyboard for Christmas :)
Lmao that's exactly what I'm doing, I bought this a few months but am only about to use it now and I felt why not watch some reviews lol
@@huntercortez5884 Dude you're gonna love it
Try typing with the keys immediately below the ESC key and the F10 key. Do they work properly?
Oh! As an accountant, I love that it has that scrolly thing and shortcut buttons on the side for copy/paste 😌
I was watching your video and while doing so, I discovered that the secondary symbols are not backlit. And then you made that your primary criticism, which I think is valid. I did not pay nearly as much as you quoted for the keyboard, and aside from that oversight, I really like this keyboard (here we go, it's dark, and the opening parens is not visilbe; its secondary to the number 9). BTW, I have the clicky version, which is not that loud actdually.
The software is really good, lots of features (and not necessarily for gaming). All things considered, I think I can live with those secondary symbols not being backlighted, as I know the keys well enough to know what goes where. But this thing is just a joy to use, great typing feel.
THANK YOU I have this keyboard and that’s my number one pet peeve I might even return it over the secondary symbol backlights.
Just got this for around $200 in South Africa, love the feel of the keys when typing but yeah it's baffling why the secondary keys aren't lit up
I think the missing characters are because of their motto of "everything you need, nothing you don't" for gaming. I don't agree with it either. Thanks for pointing that out.
@@SocialHardware I liked the old design of having the secondary characters on the side of the key and illuminated. is there not enough space for this? do these new low profile caps actually reach the board below?
great vid man! You were a bit quiet tho?
I'm with you 100% on the secondary key lights
It was the thing I loved most about my Asus laptop keyboard that I have a hard time finding anywhere else
I'm a front-end developer and I bought this keyboard primarily for use at the office actually. The secondary symbols not being backlit shouldn't bother me at all. I was just looking for something comfortable, quiet and just nicer than the generic Dell keyboard I have here.
Thank you, absolutely bang on with secondary keys.
I know I'm being critical but for the price you're paying it's hard not to be...
My guess is that it was a design decision. It propably would not look as good with the additional lights
Sean: I cannot find the ampersand !!!
At Logitech R&D meeting : This dude definitely cannot use his keyboard blindfolded.
I just destroyed my g710+ keyboard cleaning it, wiped it with a brush and water and water must've gotten thru the switches and destroyed it. Now looking for the next keyboard. Should I be concern about water on this keyboard while cleaning it
obviously very personal but these are the most satisfying keys ive ever used, had for a few years, still often find myself thinking how nice they feel
i have been using a razer huntsman for most of this year everytime i walked into best buy i kept messing with their display g815 and i finally bit the bullet and bought it even though this keyboard and the huntsman arent really comparible but that just me
One additional problem. The symbols that are "see through" actually do NOT hold a transparent clear plastic, it is instead some sort of light blue tone. Big issue? YES, I want my standard setting to hold clear white and you would expect to achieve this using RGB code 255, 255, 255, BUT as mentioned, this will turn the symbols on the buttons light blue. this means that the Logitech G HUB software, where you can pick a colour and assign it to one or several keys, is way off the result you will get on they keys IRL. The closest I have come to a clear white is RGB 249, 198, 203 which according to any colour scale should result a light red. Instead, it seems to compensate for some of the blue tone in the keys and result in in a half decent white colour (with a blueish tint). catastrophic design ! If you like white keys or generally want to set a true RGB code, you have lost before you have begun. If setting accurate colours is important for you, this keyboard scores 1 of 5...
In all, I rate this keyboard 3 of 5, a rotten score in relation to the price. Find another keyboard...
I noticed this same problem on my G910 Orion. A disappointment for sure, especially since the G815 is $200 (vs the sub $100 I paid on the G910). Not having the secondary key functions backlit is also a bit disappointing, even if it isn't really necessary to have them lit up. I just missed out on a sale, GameStop had it for $130 but of course they're all out now, and I definitely don't want to pay $200 for it (or even the $180 price on Amazon right now)
I think that the blueish "white" light is generally a problem with many (if not all) Logitech peripherals, not just with this keyboard. I have a Logitech G502 Hero mouse and it also has a "white" light with a blue tone. Before that i had a G403 mouse with the same issue.
Is this the best you can get other than the 915 wireless?
Since you mentioned the secondary functions on keys, I looked some more keyboards. The ones I saw were the same.
Got this for work AND games, as I'm not the type that switches keyboards on the go. I quickly discovered this exact issue with the lighting, and its annoying AF to be honest.
At this pricetag you should have the OPTION to turn it on/off at least. Thinking about returning it.
Can you change the keyboard colors at all just using the keys (and not the software)? Like preset patterns?
I don’t think so unfortunately ...
@@SocialHardware Ok, thank you.
GREAT POINT on the keys that are not fully illuminated. I'm waiting for this problem to be fixed before buying any more of these. I have a G915 and have the same stupid problem for such a high end keyboard. Logitech - Please try again.
Personally, it doesn't bother me that the secondary keys aren't lighted. As a product designer I can tell you their decision making on lighting only the primary key was probably to not overload it visually and maintain findability and even consistency for those main keys. However, it is worth investigating if there is a considerable amount of people who'd want them lighted. I can imagine a compromise of making the secondary keys a bit darker with less translucency. Question is if production allows such a change and if it's worth to make it.
About the rant.I feel you but, I personally have never had a backlit keyboard that didn't blank out the secondary(shifted ) characters. so its not just logitech
This is the perfect keyboard TO ME. Will not like going back to any other keyboard. Only thing I don't like is that the color on the memory buttons is always yellow and you cant change it. If youve been typing for years, the secondary keys not showing isn't a problem at all, but I can see why that would put someone off.
Thanks for sharing
My only issue with it is that you cant reprogram any F keys to a custom macro or bind it..Or am i missing something?
I bought this on amazon for 110€ and it just feels incredible. I dont know if i would have bought it for fricking 299€ because at that point you could just buy a Moonlander or Das Keyboard
Does anyone know if there is a way to remap the media keys? I hate the order they're in.
Just got this keyboard and it feels incredible to type on. Got the tactile one and its also perfectly silent which is perfect when you have to share your office / gaming cave with your gf who hates clicky keyboards lol
Same here, I didn't want a noisy keyboard and happy that the tactile is quiet
I still use my G810 and love it, it was 160E with a game back tthen.. But damm 300 euro for this 815 👀 what a price :(
u can get it for 150
I don't think its that great - secondary symbols are not backlit, which sucks not only when using it in the dark, but any time when you have the lighting on, because the lit bits make the unlit bits even less visible.
the left side of the space bar does it work ?
I have a really good question can you switch the key caps because I wanna get different key caps
At the moment there really aren't aftermarket low profile keycaps.
I'm probably going to get this after the whole covid 19 thing ends. It has bigger or spaced out keys, and it's easy to use. Now on keyboards the keys are small or more closer together, I hope this is the right choice
Nice, yeah I mean the typing experience was nice, I just couldn't justify the price..
Touch typing is where its at. If you don't know where the ampersand or ? etc is is after using a computer for years, without looking, then really...... seems like a big thing in this review. I have my keyboard on its way, so looking forward to it. The rest of the review, thanks very much :)
just a quick question, iv just bought it, still waiting to arrive, and my recent keyboard is a g513, and its keycaps didnt last long, about 3/4 months, bc they arent double-shot. Is the g815 double shot??? does those keycaps last for a long time??? im rlly afraid i have the same issue.
Yes for clicky and tactile. But not the linear.
It's a solid keyboard from bottom to top but to go back to another keyboard just because of backlighting on secondary keys seems a little salty in my honest opinion. that would be like going back to my 2002 saturn because my 2021 F150 doesn't have a cassette player in it. "The 2021 F150 was almost perfect BUT it didnt have a cassette player in it so I'm going back to my 2002 Saturn so I have that option."
Comparing it to a bulky MK, does it feel like its a laptop keyboard?
i find it funny how he liked your comment but didnt answer it
i dont have it but ill answer it for you
the height of the keyboard kinda yes
the typing is all mechanical (laptops use membrane which sucks)
@@cappedpluto7638 well i think this low profile g815 should be as high as like normal membrane keyboard like mk270 ?
but not as thin as laptop keyboard i think ? loll
currently i have the g910 for about 4 years but after the second year it's volumn wheel started to have an issue. it messes up volumn up and down. the same happens with the volumn wheel of my g935 headset. so i came to the conclusion that logitech have some issues with the wheels in general... does anyone know if the g815 have the same issues?
I like this keyboard overall, but he's right about the 2ndary symbols not lighting up. I mean, on the non mechanical G213 also made by logitech they light up, but not the mechanical more upmarket G815? That's plain weird. If they can afford to make more sophisticated mechanical keyboards, certainly they can expand their illumination to include the 2ndary symbols, can't they?
I have a question which will probably be answered after I already purchased this keyboard but Is it worth around 100 - 120€ in 2022 ?
I got 815 linear, the serial number starts from 1920MR - the keyboard is not detected by LGHub, it goes dark immediately.
Did they fix the light issue or is it still a thing?
@@SocialHardware Nutz, thanks.
just picked mine up today used in like new condition for $80 USD. Love it!
that is crazy. that is the entire reason for the back light. I was actually thinking about buying this but now i'm going to hold off.
I’m glad I’m not the only who thought this was an issue! Thanks for watching 😌
"Like this video if you liked it and dislike if you didn't"
Wow this is the first time I heard a CZcamsr telling people to not just like their video.
Hahaha I know it seems a bit strange but at the end of the day I value everyones opinion, it helps me to try and make better videos to help you guys.
amazing keyboard worth every penny, the typing experince is just wow logitech made a great job on this one if you want a great keyboard buy this one
does your Ghub connect ; -; ////
@@arumosvasiaki9212 maybe a little late reply lol, but yes, it does B)
Hi i got this Keyboard g815 Tactile and my pc just downloaded and want to restart to instal a logitech usb update??
Logitech - USB - 1.1.55.3120
Is this normal to get as a update?
I have never got a usb update ever during my years w pc for a usb or keyboard/mouse or other??
So whjat is this update actually? i cant find anything..
FIRE! the person who signed off on not putting the backlight for the symbols. Totally unforgivable
Hahahaha ruthless!
Hahaa oh that poor engineer …..oh wait , it was the bean counter’s decision lol
one thing that is nice is that we have feet for raising the keyboard
meanwhile in our universe
pretty much every fucking keyboard has those
So expensive omg, i will just remain with my Redragon Dark Avenger i guess lol
It runs for $199 USD, just to clarify
I just bought this keyboard from Best Buy, while I was gaming I decided to make a macro and could not see the characters below the numbered keys, in addition the number pad echoed the same configuration. I navigated through the lighting sequences confident I would find a way to illuminate the additional characters. I wished I'd read this review before making this purchase. For this reason I would not recommend nor would I buy in retrospect. Shame on Logitech!!!! Great review btw, thanks for the great information.
The secondary characters not illuminated is a deal breaker for me.
When review starts?
That lighting problem at 6:00 is a MAJOR issue.
Good review
Glad you think so!
I have just recently bought the G815 but the main problem for me are the wobbly Keycaps, they just dont feel very good...
Is $100 USD a good price for this compare to other $100 keyboards out there?
@@SocialHardware isn't the g815 a wired keyboard? (the g915 being the wireless version)
looking to replace my g15 win updated or something craped out im haveing a hard time not realy liking any of the new boards ATM im stuck on screen KB so i cant game
@@SocialHardware reviw helped i have allways used logtc but last headphones i got poor quality and the new software for all components is hoekey not that there site even tells u what to use. but with headset and mouse hard not to get another KB from them
@@SocialHardware i pickup a g910 orion spectrum romer g- tactile locally. the shelfs where next 2 no choices... but im loving this ARX dock Option I open a lot of times a windown to watch cpu/mem use on a second screen. can't wait to try it. $103
I bought a G915, but it was bent in the middle. Anyone else with that issue?
Not one single button got pressed in this review :D How should I know how loud this is? I know, it's a gaming-thing. But there are people out there, who used a keyboard in the office and for people like me, it would be SO NICE to hear how loud a keyboard is...
I just bought this but noticed the windows Z doesn’t work for undo
The fix to a lack of RGB on the shift + numbers is simple... Logitech should include the keycaps so you can swap to ones where the ! " £ $ % ^ & * ( ) keys are etched out and visible with RGB on.
Yea my keyboard types by it self and stuff ik this is old but can u still help
forgoten G910 Orion fan here, G600 mouse. Plz comment If you ever find something w\ more overall G-keys and added functions
just got this for under 100$ looks nice !
It's fun and games until the blue leds start dying out of nowhere
Alloymermadneodinium?
6:20 Huge freaking nitpick, but respectable, its indeed much harder to find it, specially if ure in the dark.
but if ure wasting 300$ on a premium keyboard, chances are you are already familiar where every single key is.
Well, it's not as if you hit the wrong key you've left a smudge on the page, you only have to go back one.
Please someone tell me if you've found a comfortable wrist rest for this....
im actually disappointed they still havent fixed the issue with the Ghub so I tried the G915 and G815 and both doesn't connect with Ghub returned all whats the point if u cant customize ur macros or keyboard colors lol.... i love it I'm big fan of it sadly this make me so pissed they sold product and force users to use one program that doesn't work or that they released a keyboard and they weren't sure if it connects to their software
@@SocialHardware oh yes i have done and tried all the fixes thankyou for replying to me
Just picked up one Thursday for $176.99 at Bestbuy. I love it. I’m a IT Deployment Team member and gamer at night. I’ve been looking for a sleek low profile and it’s quality is very well designed. All my lights function and no issues. I recommend it if you’re a true computer end-user instead of these Instagram wannabe techies that just buy gear to show off their new trendy hobby for the time being. I’ve had the wired Logitech G mouse for awhile now since 2016 I just like Logitech quality it lasts.