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Please do research before you rant. Many youtubers post market moves that have already happened but very few people decide to go buy into products based on the fact that they have already rose. Almost all poketubers have made videos on cards, products, or sets with potential or have mentioned it in other videos. So no it is not too late if you hear about it through a youtuber because many of them make videos speculating on the market not just informing of market moves. Your ranting about a near nonexistant problem.
We watch very different videos and hear about very different people in the community
@@pokene_pokemon u mentioned nomics
He’s a great guy- we hung out for hours at collect a con. Doesn’t mean making moves after watching a video is always a good idea. He’s made great calls though- one of the first to predict paldea evolved
@@pokene_pokemon in your video you describe the problem as if someone should not be making moves based on videos. the vast majority of videos promote obvious market plays that end out well. i think your assuming people don’t have enough common sense to tell the difference between a poketuber saying what happened in the past and speculating on what’s going to happen in the future. it’s rather easy to make plays based of poketuber videos and as long as your iq is over 15 it usually turns out well in the long run.
@@cameIs I guess you are over-estimating the average person and their IQ. fair enough
For some reason people seem to have forgotten that investing in Pokemon is a long term strategy. People watching graphs and speculating about reprints on a sets that are still in rotation is mind boggling. Buy booster boxes when/if you can and then forget about them for 5 years(at least), buy singles you enjoy that way if they make money then great, if they don't.....well at least you have something you enjoy!
I only buy what youtubers tell me to because I don't like doing my own research and I'm lazy so I wait for others to do the work for me then complain when I lose money. Love it!
😂
Bro this comment is the most accurate vibe ever
Danny phantump isn’t really an investing channel and he doesn’t claim to be. He gives info on pull rates, past examples , logic , for you to make decisions on how to spend money, whether that’s investing, cracking packs, etc. I love his honesty. Nostalgia nomics does a good job of outlining prospective plays , cards he finds undervalued, etc. And he puts his money where his mouth is, dude has like half his savings in cards. The tubers I have problems with are the ones that just read tcg player graphs and show how much stuff is going up and then say “now might be a time to buy”. Like poke office or poke jace does this , and the info is pretty useless and he is just reading a website any of us can go read. His info is outdated before he even posts it. That’s the easiest, laziest content to create because he doesn’t have to make any statement or take any risk with an actual opinion. When I started watching poketubers, those guys were the ones I started with, but I find myself skipping their content more and more because it’s so repetitive and just gives zero useful info.
I fall asleep tryna watch Danny vids. He just talks and talks and every video feels very similar. Start with a silly little story as an intro. Talk for 6 mins. Show price movements and talk about each card/iteam for 4 minutes. End video after 20mins.
Most of the time people watching his videos. It's going to be about investing. To me, once you show a graph, you basically giving out info. But behind the scene, he's most likely investing something. Most of the time, these people have TCG businesses, they also just throwing out content, communicating with audience. If you don't do this, it's very hard to scale. Like Brian said Facebook ads are fucking expensive, I operate restaurants and if you using that shit, literally run you dry cause you don't want to do the more manual advertising, and social media basically fooled you into paying for ads. You literally have no control over it and could be wasting .10 to $1 each view or click. And once you reach like 5000 for that much money. Facebook basically becomes a banker. Why that noise of green better environment and using less paper for advertising, just another way to push you towards digital businesses.
@dakingseaniii I use his videos to judge how hard a set is going to be to pull the top hits. His data is one of the largest data pools in terms of amount of packs opened to try and master a set. Usually comes out before the set is released. This allows you to decide if you wanna buy a case based off hits per case. Like past set it's like 1 SIR per case and if you are lucky you may get 2. Opposed to other sets where it was 5-8 sirs per case. And some were 3-5 etc... You can use his info to speculate if a card is going to be valuable once the set is out for a week or 2 just like the greninja ex. Was selling for around 100 first week then once people found out how hard it is to pull and how popular it is, it shot up.
@@XingCollectables not every vid of his I fall asleep to. Some videos are useful but a lot of time I find him giving info that is readily available online already. A lot of the charts I can find on TCGplayer without having to watch his video to understand it.
"If you aint first you're last!" - Ricky Bobby (racing) & Pokene (investing)
Buy everything you ❤when it’s at it’s cheapest and hold long term that’s the goal 🎉
I very rarely buy singles for investment unless I find crazy deals on good cards. I just buy booster boxes at the lows and hide them in the closet for a few years lmao
The pump and dump has been done by influencers. That’s literally why they’re influencers, they influence people to do things. A report isn’t just static it obviously can influence people to go buy. Some people are malicious when reporting, some people are not. All I can say is for people to be careful.
This was spot on, I've realized doing the exact opposite of what the tubers are saying is best. In most cases.
It’s the Jim Cramer effect
@@Chirs67 haha exactly. Like people are currently ignoring the fact if you do a little work you can find japanese sealed SV sets for distribution prices. It's insane.
too much gambling in the cards. feel better about sealed.
Sealed is king. That's why every graded and master set I own are my collection and not considered investments. Do I enjoy when the value increases? Absolutely. But only way I'm selling those are if I'm in dire need of money. All my dupes are for trades to get me more completion on my masters.
Welp I'm off to buy some jigglypuffs and geodudes.
From what set is he talking about !?
@@PokeSleepDeals I believe it's called Gullible Galarian Fates, the jiggly and geodude SIR is gonna be so sick
Yeah I think the main thing people fail to recognize is that this isn’t something that you need to stare at values every single day. The only reason I check the market for these things is to find deals and so I can make videos. Whenever a bunch of CZcamsrs make a video about a set it’s usually way too late to hop in lmao. Great vid Brian
It’s just a matter of time horizon. If you plan on holding long term, the data suggests the daily/weekly swings in box prices don’t matter much like the daily/weekly swings in the S&P don’t matter if you have a 5+ year investment horizon. But some people are more like day traders and are playing the momentum game looking for short term wins. Both are valid strategies for capital growth with one requiring more knowledge of the current market trends. If you bought PE at $125 and have a 3+ year outlook you will probably be fine but you have more risk if you have a 6 month horizon bc of possible reprints. I don’t think we need to over complicate this.
Over time people have to, if they are trying to be a good investor, learn how to accurately predict which cards and products will go up.
It is a little different with sealed though, as many of the CZcamsrs have legitimately told many people when or during a product’s low point that this is a good buy.
This is the kind of stuff that is hard for people to hear, that we’ve also all have experienced in different ways. I’ve definitely fallen into the trap before. It’s fomo and hive mentality/ group think that is so hard to separate yourself from.
I think a lot of CZcamsrs talking in this way can create this mentality and that’s not great. I don’t think everyone talks about the market in a pump/ buy now way and Danny is a great example of it, but no matter what he says people just choose to hear or think what they want from it.
Thanks for the reminder of this and I agree people need to start thinking for themselves. That’s also why a ton of “pure collectors” were the ones that ended up having their collection value go up whether it’s sports, cards, etc. they thought for themselves, collected what they enjoyed over a long period of time at times when no one really cared about something, and then it gets pumped randomly down the line.
Well yes i am confident in my booster boxes and yes i will keep them long term. Thank you for noticing 😘
I think most people know booster boxes will all go up eventually, the real skill is in picking the next ES or Cosmic Eclipse and picking that early enough (which can still be after it’s initial ‘mooning’). Nice video again mate!
This is the typical market physiology of the masses. They usually base their opinion on the price of the product, not the product itself. When the value starts to rise, they get FOMO and buy into it to try to ride the quick tendies. When the product is at rock bottom and stagnant, they despise it and refuse to buy.
Most are gamblers and are looking for quick tendies. The real investor looks years out and buys accordingly. Usually, when the PR is out on something, most of the short-term gains have already been made. The best buying opportunities are of undervalue products with good fundamentals that are currently being overlooked by the market.
I agree 100%. They're the same people who pay for Patreon memberships for these same people, like NN, to get his "insight"...but he has no insight. He's just reporting the news.
I don't listen to youtubers, I simply just look at data and I invest in good condition singles that go way more up in value as a psa 10 and thats how i make profit. Then i use some of that money to buy whats cheap like obsidian flames booster boxes, everyone says how its a bad set, blah blah blah, im buying it while its cheap
There’s the MARKET, and then there’s the TALK of the market. Knowing the difference helps.
A lot of people need to hear this message, but many will argue against it or not understand. Just the nature of the game.
I just bought as many J Puffs and G Dudes as I could find! Thanks for the heads-up, B!
With booster boxes, I would think it depends on the cards in them I.e. if there would be a demand for the price to rise dramatically. Just never buy anything above retail really. Investing in a booster box that has good chase cards is a safer investment.
In terms of investing in cards, that's why I came here to learn about. I see a lot of cards that look aesthetically appealing but are cheap in comparison to the ones selling the most which I find intriguing. Some of the things you said about researching into the game itself and what's coming up is interesting. You have any methods of actually implementing this/evidence of it working? Maybe a good video to make.
Totally agree. Make your own informed decision. I like to watch to see what is happening and what people are talking about. I'm always making my own moves to buy what I like, what I see value in or under rated. Great video
best time to buy sealed cases if you can afford to buy and not sell it atm. ive been buying these 1996-1998 Pokémon sticker Amada than actual cards they make but im projecting it in the next 5-10yrs since most of them is made before they actually release the trading card game. i love watching and learning at the same time. i started as dumb watchers that people talk about and fall from them but when you fail that's when you learn it how this actually works.
I have spent the last 12 hours sourcing any geodude and jigglypuff card I could find. Thank you for your expert insight into these 2 pokemon. Waiting for pump now.
😂😂
I watch my stocks and mutual funds. We don't have time mechanics. So there is no future data. If you are not making plays, you are dead money. I wish i could time the the market in everything i invest in. Cards is just gambling. For 5% of my money cards are fun. Of course i buy when $90 to 100 a box.
1:25 one word. Content. People make videos on the market and changes for content. Same reason you make a rant video that gets people to respond on your perspective. Content. It’s the content game, but you already knew that. 😊 You get us engaging with your video, you succeeded with your content. I enjoy them, keep them coming!
THIS
FOMO buys will burn you out so fast! It was such a hassle to find sealed in 2021, I just turned my attention to tag teams - thought the alts were dumb cheap when modern was giving us stuff like amazing rares. There’s always something else to hunt 💘
I’m glad someone said it! As a Controller we never take numbers at face value. #s help tell a story but you need to understand them better then just being #s
I always get aggravated with some people saying “Just hold (insert set here) booster box for five to ten years” when they have never held anything for 5 years including cards. Hell most people don’t even keep their cars for 5 years. Unless you have done it before don’t act like it is a guarantee.
Last time I was this early, my ex got mad at me
I bought x2 Pokemon TCG: Scarlet & Violet - 151 Ultra Premium English Collection boxes which are sealed in the delivery packaging. I'm giving one to each of my two kids on their 18th birthdays to do what they please with. They're currently 1.5 years old and 2.5 years old :) I hope they'll appreciate it! I paid £115 per box.
Just bought every jigglypuff I could find online thanks for funding my retirement!
I love that you and I both use NN as the “example” when discussing these things. Then say “not hating on them just saying” Then he says everyone hates him. Then we say nah you’re fine. 😂
Buying in an uptrend is where the real money is made in the market, you dont have to be an early adopter genuis to make money. Wether its stocks or pokemon shit
True but an uptrend happens before the people on wallstreetbets and CZcams start talking about it - that’s why only poor people spend time on reddit while the wealthy count their millions in silence
I did my first “flip” the other day. I bought and sat on the Chansey IRs (PokeCenter looking card with multiple other mons) bought at 8-11 sold at 22!
I buy what I ❤
So true, I remember early February seeing evo skies going up, and I only knew because I bought a umbreon vmax alt art from a local store it was listed for 530$, I checked the market value and it was 580$, figured couldn’t be a bad idea as the graph was showing potential to start growing crazy, ended up with a 927$ card a month later and I seen all the CZcamsr videos talking about evo skies exactly like I predicted a month ago lol. That’s why I don’t like investor videos because they tell you stuff you could have just seen yourself if you were actually watching the market like investors do. Bought for 530$ sold for 927$ a month later that’s how you do it, also bought a evo skies master set for 2000$, sold that same week for 3500$
"There's nothing under the chair it's just you" summarized this video perfectly!
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I''m just buying my 6 party members from back in the day. First CGC Gem and Prestine 10 are Kabuto and Kabutops. Really want a full art of them...
It’s never too late. You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take 😎✨
That one time I tried to "invest" in singles I thought were good they lost 75% of their value the month after (full art trainers), that solidified my opinion on only getting sealed to new heights xV
Great take Brian - I couldn’t agree more. Smart investors are building positions before the hype kicks off 💪
Talking of speculative investing. People do get banned from tradesites for buying all the "cheap" ones of specific cards to keep the price jacked up. Cardmarket had to ban some users due to this behaviour. Like in all investment, think, "how can I get fucked here" or "Why do people hype it"? Because people more than likely has some skin in the game, and want people to buy their shit, just to get out before the price drops.
I just got into Pokemon and placed my first order through you guys. Good insight for someone new to collecting.
I was gonna make this same video but I try not to touch investing content. I have one rule “buy the floor” lowest risk, highest upside. 🤷♂️
I buy the stuff I like and always win 🔥
I don't agree on the first point, even if I have absolute trust in an investment (already a mistake but ok) I will still check it once in a week just to confirm my teory and if market is not rational adding to my position or if it pumps too much even let some go. Having a strategy is important. Rest of the video is on point! very basic but agree 100%
Agreed, investing advice that is just reacting to what is already happening is just investing market news.
Done that many times! Just wondering why doesn’t Pokene carry vintage booster boxes/packs like some poketubers do? Also do you collect Pokémon cards yourself? Would be a good video idea. Thank you!
This is good advice for the younger investor.
Do you wanna know my reason why I still watch the videos? It’s because I need to know if they are down trending so I can buy more lol
So you’re saying Japanese 151 booster boxes won’t go below 180.00 ?
I buy the booster box pack from costso my question is if the tins are worth saving? I dont mind having the boxes for 10 or more years i just wonder if i should open the tins or give them to my nephews or if theyre worth reselling
This video is a reality check. The investing mindset is the same with stocks as well.
So you're saying I need to go buy all the jigglypuffs and geodudes gotcha 😅🤣 but in all seriousness you're just saying "don't get caught holding the bag." Terminology used in stock investments quite a bit. Buy the Dips and only buy the cards you actually have faith in not what someone else is telling you to do.
I invest in Pokemon cards. I buy cards I enjoy regardless, they go up in price that's awesome! if they don't, well it was a card I would have bought anyway. I did buy Sealed for a time but then sold it all because it was not something I enjoyed, I like singles. Love the video!
All good points, it’s easier for those channels to report on what has already happened…
Danny gives you information he deems important in buying/selling/trading FOR YOU TO MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS…it’s not difficult to grasp that concept. if
You watch his videos he talks about the competitive market and how it impacts the price of cards. Spend a little time actually watching videos and you might learn how cohesive each market is with the other.
I'm not sure you watched my video based on this comment
@@pokene_pokemonthat is correct
How do you guys feel about twilight masquerade cards with 1/941 specific pull rates?
I’m not going to bother after the first two minutes here but it’s bizarre to pretend the booster box thing is a theory when there’s data readily available that backs it up every time.
Reason 47 why it’s important to watch more than 2 minutes of a video before commenting
Lmao what the hell was that sound 😂. I thought you had DJ in the background. Omggg
Pokémon collecting is like collecting fine wine 🍷 🎉 the best of the best set win championship trophies 🏆
Unreal video!
From your point, all I hear is don’t invest in Amazon or Apple because the ship has sailed…homie what?? Stfuuuu
🤦 bro missed the point
Tell my friends all the time “if the CZcamsrs are talking about it and hyping it… your too late bro 🤣”
Funny, I have so many of the JP Karps, and I got them for cheap. They also have way better quality.
All iamma say is u have a better chance making money investing in Pokemon then in the stock market lol 🤣 and that's facts....
However he isnt wrong but the rumor sell the news
Most people sell low buy high 😂
I love this DGAF Bryan. Keep it coming.
On the video itself - I think everyone goes through the mistake of buying into hype and getting burned (whether it be pokemon, crypto, real estate or whatever). Hopefully you learn from it and realise the pattern is the same pretty much every where.
The comments section on these investor type videos is a dead give away as to who's new and who's not.
Lastly; I'll laugh my arse off if the Lacey card takes off after this video (I'm assuming it's a real, not made up card)
The reason they do update price videos is the same reason you do “brian rants” videos… they are content creators and they have to make content.
Exactly- that’s why I’m not dissing them. I’m talking to the people that watch them and make financial decisions
@@pokene_pokemon right on. I guess my question would be about price movements… would you say the price movement on alt arts was largely because of investors or is it more a product of collectors realizing their time to buy certain products is more limited as they go out of print… I think either way FOMO is an instigator on both sides. I get you are referring to irresponsible investment practices… and it’s basically like the dumb money that follows investment video advice… which I would agree. But, I guess a lot of people focus on this a lot. I’m just curious if a decent chunk of the FOMO is from collectors that don’t want to miss out on their chase before it goes to the next level of value.. I don’t know I get your point and I get that I’m not really responding directly to that point.
I guess if I could some up my thoughts… I listen to Alex a lot and it gets frustrating for me to listen to all the I told ya so and the haters the haters and the sky is falling… but, I kind of get it to some degree. I don’t think people should be so worried about the investment space and the small percentage of people getting burned by bad decisions… maybe I’m off here.. but, I understand Alex in the sense that it’s like what are we doing if we aren’t propping up the hobby. It does a lot for many different styles of people. We should be excited for any success in any form related to Pokemon.. because it is all apart of the same thing and we all want to be successful in the end.
Now after my “Dusty rants” comment, I hope you know I love your channel. I’m not really trying to call anybody out or say your video is in some way diminishing the hobby… I guess I just feel like the investment space of Pokemon is extremely valuable to the whole and that there are stupid people every where making stupid choices… or stupid is going to stupid..
Keep up with the great advise. Tell it how it is. Peeps have to hear it.
Cheers.
Love Love LOVE these rant videos. Some great content and info!
Shhhh I need to sell more paldea evolve boosters
Great advice thanks!
Pretty poor take. Plenty of instances where some tubers have been ahead of the curve. I’ve had success in investments, but others have certainly had a hand in parts of that success.
It’s a lesson on mindset as started in the video
Truly herd mentality investing.
I really enjoy the rants.
I just bought up most of the Thailand 🇹🇭 Pokemon because Thailand going to go crazy for them when they’re no longer available 🔥
i see that! We'll get those out first thing monday morning - thx for the love and good luck on the blue sky stream!
@@pokene_pokemon you’re welcome Brian I just appreciate you and your team working hard and trusting you guys keeps my loyalty to you ❤ oh hey can you please find legends awakening Thailand Pokemon set with lugia shining ✨
Sealed booster boxes
Because the're no reprint of boxes, so some set is hard to find quickly.
The real spill ! 🎉
Great insight u are Inspiring me everyday keep it up
That was a bad analogy...but I do see what you're saying 😂
I was thinking about what could of actually made the Magikarp card that valuable. Ok, I get it, the card looks good but that much for an art rare is absolutely ridiculous. Some guy came to my shop and said « the magikarp is worth double as the iono ». The only thing I’ve said about the subject was that it was the craziest market manipulation I’ve seen and there is no actual reason why it should be that expensive. I’ve never seen someone disagreeing that much over something I said. So overall, if someone have a credible reason on why this card should be that high, I want to know. Sorry for the long paragraph
Great video 😮
So how is it worse then you hyping up new sets to sell your overpriced boxes? Im sure you’re loving these new rainbow boarders lol. I doubt we will see you open any or even collect them. Or how almost all of your content is just ads for your business? Or how about the over priced packs on box breaks? You're literally asking people to spend money so you can make money.
Compared to someone just talking about prices and the cards they want to buy lol. No creator is screaming buy these cards when they're hyped up. I also can give you 50 examples on how i made money from poketubers this year.
1 creator was literally buying umbreon v and vmax tg psa10s for $30-$40. Seen him talk about them for 2 weeks and then i decided to get some. Literally 4x my money. Same with the sylveon. Same creator said paldea will go up and i got multiple boxes at 95. Same creator was buying eeveelution boxes at $70 cuz he thought they would go up. Same one was buying evolving skies etbs at 75.
I’ve NEVER hyped up a set lol- most my videos kinda trash sets. I will absolutely be opening everything that comes out. Nearly none of my videos are ads. In fact most of my videos teach viewers how to COMPETE with me. Additionally I’m teaching people NOT to invest the stuff everyone else is hyping. Is it Opposite Day or are you just an uneducated, jealous, clown with nothing better to do ?
@pokene_pokemon so you didn't just post about you liking the rainbow boarders while also posting the box for sale, lol? You have to be joking..
So you trash all the sets but then constantly post them for sale on the community tab? If you actually cared about your fans, wouldn't you teach them to save their money and not buy every set that comes out?? Nope, cuz it makes YOU money.
You can barely go a video without mentioning your store. You consistently over price products because you know people will buy them because you have a following on youtube. Why not teach people not to invest in box breaks? Paying double what a pack costs just to have someone else open it is insane. Also, if you're going to make a video like this, at least be man enough to say who is making these exact videos with some examples.
I just gave you so many examples of the exact opposite of what you're saying in this video. You gave us no examples.
I’m a business advertising products I sell. If that’s not appropriate, I don’t know what to tell you - you seem like a sad person and if I had an affiliate code for the betterhelp therapy service I’d absolutely pump that to you too
@pokene_pokemon of course. Ignore everything I said and throw insults😂
Im not sad i just can't stand hypocrites. Telling people to be smart and not listen to poketubers while you constantly ask for people to buy your overpriced products on terrible sets and box breaks. The fact you can't see this blows my mind. So, as long as it's for your business, it's totally okay to get people to spend and overpay on everything. But when it doesn't come to you making money, you want people to make smart decisions and not listen to the poketubers😂
So you can dismiss and pick apart investing videos, but when someone picks apart your channel, you throw insults like a child?
Just lol
Preach dude