Hobby Lobby and the Looting of Iraq

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  • čas přidán 26. 07. 2024
  • Hobby Lobby tied itself to the fate of Iraq through participation in the smuggling of antiquities, and this raises a lot of interesting questions, which we'll be discussing here.
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    My Links:
    / krosencreutz
    / rosencreutz
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    Channels mentioned:
    ‪@LegalKimchi‬
    ‪@ArmchairEgyptology‬
    ‪@SeitanicPanicc‬
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    Links to some things:
    Badiou:
    miguelabreugallery.com/wp-con... (It's a pdf, so maybe it won't be there forever)
    Denver Museum Article:
    www.denverpost.com/2022/12/01...
    More on the artifact trade:
    amp.theguardian.com/world/201...
    amp.theguardian.com/world/201...
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    Time:
    00:00 Intro
    02:48 Artifacts, extraction, and ethics
    13:41 The 2003 Invasion and the Iraq Museum
    21:23 The Sites of Antiquity
    29:00 ISIS, Heritage, and Iconoclasm
    36:38 The Zoning of Iraq
    47:24 Conclusion
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    Bibliography (excluding articles linked above because that felt redundant)
    Badiou, Alain. Our Wound is Not So Recent . Oxford: Polity Press, 2017.
    Beckert, Jens, Matías Dewey, Simon Mackenzie, and Donna Yates. “What Is Grey about the ‘Grey Market’?” Essay. In The Architecture of Illegal Markets: Towards an Economic Sociology of Illegality in the Economy. Oxford University Press, 2017.
    Cunliffe, E., & Curini, L. (2018). ISIS and heritage destruction: A sentiment analysis. Antiquity, 92(364), 1094-1111. doi:10.15184/aqy.2018.134
    Directorate-General for External Policies of the Union (European Parliament), Cousseran, and Levallois. “The Financing of the ‘islamic State’ in Syria and Iraq (ISIS).” Publications Office of the EU, September 11, 2017
    op.europa.eu/en/publication-d...
    Rothfield, Lawrence. The Rape of Mesopotamia: Behind the Looting of the Iraq Museum. Chicago, IL: University of Chicago Press, 2009.
    United States of America vs. Approximately Four Hundred Fifty (450) Ancient Cuneiform Tablets; and Approximately Three Thousand (3,000) Ancient Clay Bullae (UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT EASTERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK July 5, 2017).

Komentáře • 474

  • @Saberjet1950
    @Saberjet1950 Před 5 měsíci +825

    the craziest part of this is that they trusted FedEx with the artifacts.

    • @Not_what_it_used_to_be
      @Not_what_it_used_to_be Před 5 měsíci +77

      I'm a FedEx delivery driver listening to this at work and I nearly spit out my water when I heard that 😂

    • @Shin_Lona
      @Shin_Lona Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@Not_what_it_used_to_be
      For what it's worth, I trust you all more than UPS. Sure as f*ck more than Amazon.

    • @terrydavis8451
      @terrydavis8451 Před 5 měsíci +20

      For real...I mean at least use UPS. Everything I get from FedEx is always smashed to bits.

    • @Dong_Harvey
      @Dong_Harvey Před 5 měsíci

      @@terrydavis8451 they are good for pregrinding your weed though

    • @thelovewizard8954
      @thelovewizard8954 Před 5 měsíci +41

      I write this in my fedex truck on break. I once was entrusted with a Yap stone, an artifact from polynesia that I was told is sort of like currency and a famliy/land record. It was about 80lbs by itself, and was in a heavy wooden crate. I got to take a look at it before it was sealed up. I'd like to say I took pretty good care of it while it was in my possession. The family who shipped it was polynesian, and it was their own stone but they were sending it to a museum, I forget where. So yeah, lots of fun things show up occasionally.

  • @hedgehog3180
    @hedgehog3180 Před rokem +971

    Sadam Hussain riding a chariot with missiles, helicopters, jets and gunboats has to be the single funniest image I've seen in a good while.

  • @satohime
    @satohime Před 6 měsíci +173

    i was surprised to hear you say this wasn't your usual sort of content at the end! i'm an independent assyriologist and as a first time viewer thought this was incredibly well-structured and well-researched. i can't believe you've not gotten more views, but i'm glad youtube dropped this on me and will definitely be watching more

    • @ChristopherSadlowski
      @ChristopherSadlowski Před 5 měsíci +11

      Weird...I just thought to myself the other day after watching a different video, "I wonder if there's other "-ologies" like there is Egyptology." I was too busy to look it up then and the thought faded. Now I know there is!

    • @Noodlyk18
      @Noodlyk18 Před 4 měsíci +5

      I know what Assyriologist means, but it still sounds like.. something else, far more cheeky,

  • @kolonarulez5222
    @kolonarulez5222 Před 5 měsíci +172

    I can't stop imagining these priceless ancient artifacts literally sent to a hobby lobby store to be carefully unpacked and guarded by khaki clad employees.

    • @scottbrooks5662
      @scottbrooks5662 Před 5 měsíci

      Hobby lobby did not buy to the artifacts to resale . Not one piece that hobby lobby have in its possession was bought from the citizens. You are a dreamer that you don’t think that a Muslim would sell or destroy pieces that Muhammad was associated with.
      Hobby lobby did not set up the sales of the artifacts. You are a dreamer and not want the controlling faction to sell. Like an archeologist can some how have an input on where any artifacts stay.
      We see hundreds of antiquities traveling around the world in shows constantly, and few of the shows are actually owned by the government where the pieces where discovered. It feels more like you have a connection here.
      Obama’s government’s was committed to coming hard at Hobby Lobby . Mr. Greene refused to provide the death pill for abortions to his employees and Obama was trying to force that down the throat of all. So Hobby Lobby and the Catholic nuns fought him all the way to the supreme court and won.
      That pissed the government off tremendously. They wanted companies and churches to pay to kill babies up until that Babies was delivered.
      Is this the reason for your attack? You hated Hobby Lobby for refusing to participate in such a sick act. Against what they believe in.

    • @phoenixfritzinger9185
      @phoenixfritzinger9185 Před 4 měsíci +5

      I now have a lot of questions about the flower pots my mom bought from there

  • @BrigitteEmpire
    @BrigitteEmpire Před rokem +782

    Stealing ancient relics is a hobby right? That’s what I learned from the British museum

    • @vaiyt
      @vaiyt Před 6 měsíci +74

      The british were not hobbyists, they were professionals😂

    • @harrylion6689
      @harrylion6689 Před 5 měsíci +32

      It's part of their culture

    • @djquinn11
      @djquinn11 Před 5 měsíci +2

      Epic post, this one landed 100%.

    • @karlsantos
      @karlsantos Před 5 měsíci +11

      The difference between a professional British looter and an amateur was the professional got rich and the amateur got bankrupt.
      There were definitely both kinds participating.

    • @inoapostate9495
      @inoapostate9495 Před 5 měsíci +1

      ​@@harrylion6689hell, it's *most* of their culture

  • @nice3333333333
    @nice3333333333 Před rokem +83

    I think I should own all ancient artifacts in the world, since I’m the only person in the world that I trust.

    • @notashton.
      @notashton. Před 5 měsíci +3

      I'll back you up. I believe you're a nice koala

    • @thatdude3977
      @thatdude3977 Před 4 měsíci +4

      You van protect all the ancient phallysus 😂

  • @fritzophrenia3146
    @fritzophrenia3146 Před rokem +469

    4:50
    "Sure he might not be a good guy... but when are we going to get funding like this again?"
    -Some Iraqi professor of antiquity, probably

    • @Rosencreutzzz
      @Rosencreutzzz  Před rokem +223

      Considering the US based interim government (the CPA) managed to "lose" 8 billion dollars intended for reconstruction of the country, 1.7bn of which being found in cash, in a bunker in Lebanon, the answer is either "never again" or "go digging in Lebanon"

    • @flyingfoamtv2169
      @flyingfoamtv2169 Před rokem +29

      quite similar to the relationship between archeologists and the nazis.

    • @dftp
      @dftp Před rokem

      ​@@flyingfoamtv2169you fell for Nazi propaganda. They increased funding for Archaeology a little bit for some time only and even then they forced archaeologists to go on stupid quests of finding Atlantis, relics of the gods or the damn holy grail. They didn't let them do what they thought was important and good, cuz it's the Nazis dude.

    • @djquinn11
      @djquinn11 Před 5 měsíci

      @@Rosencreutzzz: Isn’t that the truth. The missing billions in cash story went away faster than the Jeffrey Epstein “suicide” story.

    • @johnlyndonescario419
      @johnlyndonescario419 Před 4 měsíci +10

      ​@@flyingfoamtv2169Nah more like relationships of intellectuals with governments in general. Saddam didn't have plans like Generalplan Ost and is more like a power tripping dictator anyway which was supported by the US before the Kuwaiti debacle.

  • @hawonl
    @hawonl Před rokem +97

    It is a damn shame your non-map game content gets buried. This is great.

  • @SamwiseOutdoors
    @SamwiseOutdoors Před 5 měsíci +49

    Hobby Lobby's Hammurabi Robbing Hobby.

  • @Skyehoppers
    @Skyehoppers Před 11 měsíci +147

    I would say I'm shocked that you were able to pull so much depth and insight and complexity from this story, but I'm not because I've seen you do it before and thats what makes this channel something special. In a small but real way I will think about the world differently from now on. Hopefully this one catches the algorithm sometime or another, definitely would be deserved, and something more people should hear!

    • @paxwallace8324
      @paxwallace8324 Před 6 měsíci +2

      In a world where the pure academic search for truth isn't accorded the respect and protection it axiomatically deserves; in that world, civilization is a joke .

  • @GoosieGoos
    @GoosieGoos Před rokem +123

    "in the case of the Denver museum owning stolen Cambodian artifacts"
    [🎉🍾COLORADO MENTIONED!!!🎉🍾]

  • @OmniBui
    @OmniBui Před 5 měsíci +37

    I didn't know objects could be named in court cases. USA vs Approximately Four Hundred Fifty (450) Ancient Cuneiform Tablets; and Approximately Three Thousand (3,000) Ancient Clay Bullae makes us seem really petty and bad at counting without context.
    Subbed and liked lfg

    • @elli7543
      @elli7543 Před 4 měsíci +8

      Then you will love
      USA vs. approximately 350 pounds of shark fins

    • @OmniBui
      @OmniBui Před 4 měsíci +5

      @@elli7543I SAW THAT ONE! lmao
      i did love it, hope the US had a good de-fins on that one lol

    • @user-lk4wt3km2s
      @user-lk4wt3km2s Před 4 měsíci

      Lol to funny but I'm american and I found that last artifact they said Arab imagrant haha so funny to me doj it was stolen from the county join one of my stays and mfs keep it then I see it on tv

  • @jonahdodd3920
    @jonahdodd3920 Před rokem +129

    24:15
    Minor correction -- the organization you list as the Oriental Institute has recently rebranded as the "Institute for the Study of Ancient Cultures in West Asia & North Africa." you may consider listing them as such if you need to mention them in the future. Great video! :)

    • @Rosencreutzzz
      @Rosencreutzzz  Před rokem +82

      I took the list from a passage in the book, which was from 2009 so I wasn't sure if they were the same org, but good to know.
      Thanks for making note of it though.

  • @mustafaahmad5382
    @mustafaahmad5382 Před rokem +33

    Daesh داعش is also an acronym meaning الدولة الإسلامية في العراق والشام, exactly the same as english.
    they hate it because acronyms are mostly reserved for unimportant stuff in Arabic.

    • @thedumbdog1964
      @thedumbdog1964 Před 5 měsíci

      Strange. Just don’t like or value acronyms?

  • @BirdEgg123
    @BirdEgg123 Před rokem +76

    You keep me fascinated. You're one of the few creators out there pumping academic content with little commodification of content, while still retaining an 'image'. I truly appreciate how you combine different disciplines all with the same rigor of research of one another to create your story.
    You mentioned you'd leave many links to read in the description, alongside Badiou. When you have the time, please leave them, I'd love a deeper dive.

    • @Rosencreutzzz
      @Rosencreutzzz  Před rokem +15

      This is maybe the fifth time I've promised links and then forgotten to add them in. I think it's because I have a list of articles and the links I promise are in the middle of those, and my brain goes "wait remember CZcams doesn't like links that lead "off platform" so I just... forget.

    • @BirdEgg123
      @BirdEgg123 Před rokem +9

      ​@@Rosencreutzzz Ah, the classic "keep 50 tabs open or else the information will leave your short term memory"
      Thank you for leaving the links ❤

    • @My_Alchemical_Romance
      @My_Alchemical_Romance Před 6 měsíci +2

      @@BirdEgg123so, I’m not the only one!?
      I don’t have to suffer in silence?!

  • @hedgehog3180
    @hedgehog3180 Před 11 měsíci +128

    About the conclusion I also think it makes sense to note that this is usually the standard we apply to trade goods. "innocent until proven guilty" is only the case for people but for trade goods of all kinds it's usually "suspect until proven trustworthy", food agencies don't just assume that food is safe until an accident happens, they require the producers to prove that it is safe and regularly inspect facilities to make sure that this is the case. Consumer products usually also have to undergo some form of testing, depending on their application, before they can be approved. It obviously should be the case for antiquities as well, that providence needs to be proven rigorously going all the way back to the source otherwise they should be treated as illegal, though frankly I just think there should be a blanket ban on their sale and the sale of paleontological fossils just like how the EU just has a blanket ban on the trade and sale of wild animals. I don't think there's any scenario where it's justifiable for a private collector to own these things, firstly because it limits scientific access to them, secondly because they can't possibly claim ownership over them when they didn't commission their production, and thirdly because obviously they are the common heritage of all mankind.

    • @Dap1ssmonk
      @Dap1ssmonk Před 4 měsíci +6

      the problem with this is that private ownership of this stuff is the basis and driving force behind much of our modern collection of these things. entire museums are built on the donated bragging rights collections of rich old dudes. whether we like it or not people collect these things for self aggrandizement and glory as much if not more so than scientific advancement or philanthropy. also there's very much a grey area. is my collecting of 100-year-old beer cans illegal now? when does trash become archeology? who would be in charge of deciding that? etc

  • @CharliMorganMusic
    @CharliMorganMusic Před 6 měsíci +18

    This video has been sitting in my recommendations feed for a long time. I underestimated you. By a lot. Very well done.

  • @katmannsson
    @katmannsson Před rokem +19

    Im so glad you didnt do the emotionally visceral thing you could have done during the Iconoclasm section. I just sort of knee jerked and scrolled down as soon as I saw the word because I've *seen* the videos of what they did to Nimrud and it was incredibly devastating and makes me cry to think about.

  • @tylerchristian3557
    @tylerchristian3557 Před rokem +82

    This may be a nonsense thought, but my instinct here is that this represents the next step (or A next step) in the shifting of Imperialism from directly nation-state based to more indirect and corporatized (so, you know, corporate colonialism)

    • @tnttiger3079
      @tnttiger3079 Před rokem +23

      Lenin already had that idea, you are a century too late lol

    • @tylerchristian3557
      @tylerchristian3557 Před rokem +23

      @tnttiger3079 Oh, I'm well aware that corporate Imperialism isn't a new concept! I was just discussing how that applied to this particular Hobby Lobby incident. I sucked at research in grad school, I refuse to claim new ideas!

    • @LordVarkson
      @LordVarkson Před rokem +22

      I guess it would more accurately be a switch back to corporate colonialism, i.e. the East India Company.

    • @karlsantos
      @karlsantos Před 5 měsíci +1

      ​@@LordVarksoncame to write that.

    • @Shin_Lona
      @Shin_Lona Před 5 měsíci +8

      That's what the World Economic Forum is for. Always trust your instincts...
      International corporations have neither the allegiance, nor the accountability to any particular nation. They are determining global policy without consent of the population and their plans are already well under way.

  • @Sebastianbertolotto1880
    @Sebastianbertolotto1880 Před 7 měsíci +10

    Hi Rosencreutz! I don't know if you are going to see this comment because of the time after the upload of the video but i just wanna to say, as a political scientist with specialization in international relations and love for history and interest in working in the protection of ancient artifacts and sites, that your video hit me where i feel. In one hand, the use of the concept "Zoning" as places of influence whitout the "interference" of the State is something that i never heard in all my years of study and writing articles, for that reason thanks for teaching me something new. Also, the correlation with the looting, zoning and ISIS is great. And in the other hand, it breaks my heart hearing everything that happened with the sites, of course i care about the people but when I saw the destruction of Palmyra in live i started crying, seeing that kinda broke me in the moment, so much lost and for nothing. I didn't know about that Captain of USA that wanted to protect the Museum i wish to be like that but having the means to really be able to protect those sites and places.

  • @ethancampbell5373
    @ethancampbell5373 Před 5 měsíci +4

    Wow. Great job! The title really caught my eye! I knew nothing about this until starting this video and couldn’t have been more excited to continue watching. Every time I had a question about the about something it was almost immediately addressed soon after and didn’t leave me guessing much at all! Thanks for such a cool entertaining video Mr Rosencreutz!

  • @jasonhaven7170
    @jasonhaven7170 Před rokem +8

    I like watching your videos before bed. You have a soothing voice and I learn a lot before I sleep.

  • @Feuerlaufer
    @Feuerlaufer Před 9 měsíci +9

    "through deception thou shalt do war"

  • @LBlueDust
    @LBlueDust Před 5 měsíci +4

    This was really interesting. Thank you so much for making it!

  • @badusername9903
    @badusername9903 Před rokem +15

    now THIS is a good video topibc

  • @sammosaurusrex
    @sammosaurusrex Před 6 měsíci +16

    The looting of Cambodian artifacts is wild. Think the Met was fighting returning a few artifacts a couple years ago.
    I used to walk past an Egyptian obelisk in Central park pretty often. “Cleopatra’s needle.” Came from Alexandria. It was a gift from the Egyptian government in the 1800s, essentially a bribe to the US to stay away as France and Great Britain vied for hegemony within Egypt (Egypt became a British protectorate a decade after the gift was given).
    Even “legally” acquired artifacts can’t be unbound from colonial pillaging.
    ETA: I just found out the Met has actually announced it is finally returning those artifacts!
    Also wanted to recommend the NYT Op-Ed "Mighty Shiva Was Never Meant to Live in Manhattan" by Erin Thompson. In typical NYT fashion, the title the editors gave it is absolutely abysmal in my opinion (not only does the dated phrasing "Mighty Shiva" reek of Orientalism, "Shiva" never even comes up in the body of the article. No Hindu artifacts do!). What the article is actually about is the potential for museums to make repatriation into an opportunity, rather than a loss, to use technology to commemorate repatriation and celebrate and educate on the artifacts that were once there and have now been returned home.

  • @dylankornberg4892
    @dylankornberg4892 Před 6 měsíci +4

    Hey dude, just found your channel from your recent Paradox video. I’ve watched some of your stuff now and I am very impressed, this is high quality stuff you are doing.

  • @WhyShouldnt_I
    @WhyShouldnt_I Před 9 měsíci +9

    I truly admire the dedication of creating long form content without necessarily seeing an immediate "reward" in terms of subscribers / monetization. Reminds me of old CZcams, back when people actually had something they really needed to say and used the platform to do just so.
    Needless to say that I am recommending this video to friends that are studying Sustainable Heritage Management. Keep it up man, thank you for your great work

  • @OneInTheMosh
    @OneInTheMosh Před 11 měsíci +1

    It seems I've found a new stellar video essayist, subbed!

  • @merelymayhem
    @merelymayhem Před 15 dny

    that was a wild ride
    great video, i had heared about the hobby lobby thing but this gave great information and context

  • @hedgehog3180
    @hedgehog3180 Před rokem +72

    The Iraq invasion is characterized by such wide sweeping incompetence that the incompetence seems intentional very often. I mean the army itself on multiple occasions told Rumsfeld that the plans weren't realistic and would result in chaos and fail to create a democratic state. In their own plans the Iraqi oil fields were meant to stay nationalized and help pay for infrastructure. They also believed they needed at least 300.000 American soldiers to occupy the country but they only had 21k IIRC, which wasn't even enough to guard former Iraqi army magazines and bases, let alone prevent looting. The looted weapons were of course later used by insurgents to attack coalition soldiers, after said coalition had managed to anger basically everyone with heavy handed tactics such as door to door raids, major cuts to the public sector and even direct attacks on news agencies.
    The fact that the invasion even succeeded is nothing close to a miracle, at one point about 20.000 American Soldiers including and armored division was a hair breadths away from being cut off from supplies in the middle of enemy territory when supply convoys started being ambushed by Iraqi guerillas. This was only prevented by the deployment of the SAS in cities to protect the convoys but if not it might have been the biggest American military defeat since WWII.

    • @williamchamberlain2263
      @williamchamberlain2263 Před rokem +30

      Yeah, but how else would they transfer tens of billions of taxpayer dollars to campaign donors?

    • @djg4534
      @djg4534 Před 6 měsíci +12

      Id say yes they succeeded at invading, but the invasion was not a success imo lolol I

    • @basedgamerguy818
      @basedgamerguy818 Před 5 měsíci +13

      You don't seem to get anything right. The initial invasion of Iraq was accomplished with 160000 troops. The invasion began on the 19th of May 2003 and the country was taken by the 1st of March. There were never plans to let Iraq's oil industry remain nationalized. The US oil industry spent record sums to get Bush and Cheney elected and planning for the war began around February 2001

    • @basedgamerguy818
      @basedgamerguy818 Před 5 měsíci +1

      ​@@djg4534how did it not succeed?

    • @cheesemuffin8129
      @cheesemuffin8129 Před 5 měsíci +2

      ​@@basedgamerguy818 Isn't Iraq also being controlled by terrorist groups? We retreated leaving behind millions in military equipment.
      Where exactly did we succeed?

  • @da_BemBem
    @da_BemBem Před 6 měsíci +9

    Did... did you actually play a slowed down version of "greek to me" from Age of Mythology? Holy Shit that's great.

  • @CASHXRAT
    @CASHXRAT Před 5 měsíci +4

    “Daesh” is just the Arabic acronym for ISIS’s full name, al-Dawla al-Islamiya fi al-Iraq wa al-Sham.

  • @lairdhaynes1986
    @lairdhaynes1986 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Solid research and well presented. Gets down to the brass tacks.

  • @chewie_lombax3764
    @chewie_lombax3764 Před rokem +40

    And here I thought Hobby Lobby couldn’t get any worse

  • @seyahznarf
    @seyahznarf Před 6 měsíci +6

    Conflict Cuneiform.. Bravo, Sir!

  • @bipolarkeyboard
    @bipolarkeyboard Před 5 měsíci

    this was really enjoyable, thank you.

  • @artemismoonbow2475
    @artemismoonbow2475 Před 6 měsíci +25

    Well done. I was a young SGT in 2003 and it was conducted by ideological civilians and officers with smart sounding names like "Neo-Conservative" but really they are just adult men that see the world like a John Wayne movie. Quick and easy narratives, with no promethean foresight or preparation, and a childish entitlement to getting the girl.

  • @fallingphoenix2341
    @fallingphoenix2341 Před rokem +14

    It sounds like the grey market might be more core to this video than you realized. What are "places where this happens" or Zones other than the grey market of humanitarianism?
    The idea that there can be a "place where this happens" is saying that you can commit crimes against humanity, it's just improper to do it in certain places. And opening up that possibility allows products of mass crime to enter the global market.

  • @CarlStreet
    @CarlStreet Před 5 měsíci +1

    Outstanding -- Thank you

  • @z.s.7992
    @z.s.7992 Před 21 dnem

    I really like how you brought up the Khmer artifacts and the sanborn exhibit being an interesting way to bridge cultural gaps without stealing a countries history the british natural history museum style.
    Learning about other cultures and seeing their art and methods is amazing for students especially in the US because the humanities are often being stripped from budgets

  • @kaarlimakela3413
    @kaarlimakela3413 Před 6 měsíci +17

    Up to a half million people were wiped out in the Gulf War. Estimate vary. War crime.
    Disgusting all around. I was horrified to know these antiquities were also unprotected.

    • @danieldavidisson9906
      @danieldavidisson9906 Před 5 měsíci

      It's digusting that American, and Western populations generally have continued to vote for war criminals, and are complicit in mass murder.

  • @therealdia
    @therealdia Před 4 měsíci +1

    Ngl; this is still less surprising than the time I was walking around a Hobby Lobby with my mom and saw a Sailor Moon section.
    Nothing else explaining it, it was just there.
    Still can’t wrap my head around that

  • @rsfaeges5298
    @rsfaeges5298 Před 6 měsíci +1

    An outstanding video.

  • @mikaelsanchez6426
    @mikaelsanchez6426 Před 6 měsíci

    This is a really nice video, I quite like it.

  • @jacob6672
    @jacob6672 Před rokem +1

    Another great video!

  • @PunishedPresident
    @PunishedPresident Před 5 měsíci

    wow the way you write and talk is very professional, might considered subscribing

  • @BlazingCobaltX
    @BlazingCobaltX Před 21 dnem

    This video, in particular the zoning part, gives a lot of words to the injustice I feel as someone from one of these "zoned" regions. We ceased to have control over our countries the moment exploiting the land was deemed lucrative in some way. Thank you for introducing me to this zoning concept.

  • @olirobinson3006
    @olirobinson3006 Před 5 měsíci +1

    This is fantastic.

  • @AngelusOrpheus
    @AngelusOrpheus Před 11 hodinami

    I remember hearing about this and being both infuriated and flabbergasted, but i didn't live in an area with HL so i didn't really hear much more about it. Thank you for making a video

  • @silverkir
    @silverkir Před 6 měsíci

    this is a fantastic video, and I am very happy to have discovered your channel - thank you for your hard work.
    one correction for a detail that's very common: khmer is pronounced like khmai, rhyming with thai.

  • @odolwa099
    @odolwa099 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Fascinating!!

  • @Ner0mancer
    @Ner0mancer Před 9 dny

    Nice use of the MGS Theme as bg music lol

  • @fishsayhelo9872
    @fishsayhelo9872 Před 16 dny +1

    very well done :thumbsup:

  • @theamazingfuzzlord
    @theamazingfuzzlord Před 6 měsíci +1

    Subbed!❤

  • @filthypapist6084
    @filthypapist6084 Před 5 měsíci

    This deserves more views

  • @H0mework
    @H0mework Před 5 měsíci +1

    I knew I thought of zoning but I didn't know it was so in depth. I consider my family's native county a zone even.

  • @DoktorKleiner
    @DoktorKleiner Před 25 dny

    Thank you, Luther.

  • @Belvedere1981
    @Belvedere1981 Před 5 měsíci +1

    So there I was late Wednesday night, scoping out Antiquities on eBay.

  • @cbbcbb6803
    @cbbcbb6803 Před rokem +6

    What about having museums of fake artifacts? We would need a kinder word than the word "fake". The purpose would be to keep alive the skills and techniques and technologies of different cultures.

    • @hedgehog3180
      @hedgehog3180 Před rokem +5

      I mean either that'd be a replica or just a more modern artifact. If it's a tradition that still survives and a museum simply commissions one for its collection then it's still just as much an authentic artifact it's just newer. For the reasons you mentioned this would really be preferable, museums aren't just static buildings to display stuff they're also research institutions and meant to preserve cultural legacies so if possible it makes way more sense to just commission someone to make it. It also has the bonus that you can get the people who actually use the thing in question to provide commentary on it and even give demonstrations of how it is used, which the museum itself could use and just supplement with its own experts.

    • @flyingsword135
      @flyingsword135 Před 6 měsíci

      Reproductions

    • @imchris5000
      @imchris5000 Před 5 měsíci

      consider this 90% of museum displays of dinosaur bones are just castings of original bone collections

  • @mikehunt3420
    @mikehunt3420 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Exactly the random kind of stuff i like to watch

  • @sforbesgocka
    @sforbesgocka Před měsícem

    Great vid

  • @Waterwater743
    @Waterwater743 Před 5 měsíci +2

    This is the shit. Without CZcams mainstream media would never cover this.

  • @WhatsTherapy
    @WhatsTherapy Před 5 měsíci

    great vid super well done

  • @elsiekarlak741
    @elsiekarlak741 Před 5 měsíci

    this is such a good video thank u youtube algorithm!!

  • @__-nd5qi
    @__-nd5qi Před 6 měsíci +2

    50:34 The existence of illegitimate sellers doesn’t make the entire market tainted

  • @johnmanole4779
    @johnmanole4779 Před 6 měsíci +3

    What are we, the little people, the many and ignorant, are supposed to do then?

  • @God7ODTaxationIsTheft
    @God7ODTaxationIsTheft Před 6 měsíci +3

    Ayo billy wanna see the arc of covenant?

  • @Rupert.Moloch
    @Rupert.Moloch Před 5 měsíci

    OMG I think I've found my home on your channel

  • @user-mb7sc1ob2w
    @user-mb7sc1ob2w Před 4 měsíci +1

    Why is it when a thief is rich we are supposed to be concerned with what they think a fair penalty is.

    • @zackakai5173
      @zackakai5173 Před měsícem

      Seriously. They'll put a black guy away for 15 years for smoking a blunt, but some ultra-rich degen corpo commits ACTUAL crimes and it's a fucking miracle if he ever sees the inside of a jail cell for a few weeks.

  • @Crossword131
    @Crossword131 Před 23 dny

    The old rule is "if you show it don't say it, if you said it - don't show it." Its a good rule.
    I'd either have the whole thing in titles or only the ephemera attached to what you're saying. We are trained to think extra words means extra info - which can be irritating when that's *_sometimes_* true with you.
    Otherwise, EXCELLENT presentation.
    EDIT: Yeah. I hate the title cards. It makes me not want to look at the screen, but then you throw good extra bits on the screen occasionally.

  • @Stairetoc
    @Stairetoc Před 5 měsíci

    anyone know the music used in this video?

  • @midshipman8654
    @midshipman8654 Před 6 měsíci +2

    i think “othering” sounds like too necessarily proactive of a process, since i think things need proactive reasons to be considered close more than considered far. Its not just something to be taken for granted and that needs to be chipped away at actively to become “an other”. Although that can be the case as well. However something is an “other” by default without a reason for it not to be. I think a major tragedy in 200BC china probably wouldnt have much effect or there be much ado in Rome as if that same tragedy effected greece.
    Greece would have a wide effect in news and talk, China might cause a slight ripple in spice prices.

  • @kittymccarthy2111
    @kittymccarthy2111 Před 4 měsíci

    Very interesting.

  • @thawhiteazn
    @thawhiteazn Před 5 měsíci +2

    What does the epic of Gilgamesh have to do with the Bible anyway?

  • @Argacyan
    @Argacyan Před rokem +1

    24:10 The background music sounds like a cover of OST from Age of Mythology

    • @Rosencreutzzz
      @Rosencreutzzz  Před rokem

      I took the track and slowed it down and did some pitch changing. It's one of my favorite things to use.

  • @djquinn11
    @djquinn11 Před 5 měsíci

    Awesome video, I just found your channel and am a new subscriber. Looking forward to more of your videos.

  • @froyotastic5665
    @froyotastic5665 Před 4 měsíci

    the only convention center outside of pittsburgh near my town was just sold to hobby lobby :((

  • @ToyDirigible
    @ToyDirigible Před 5 měsíci

    I'm a fan of the slowed down Age of Mythology music in the background.

  • @godslaughter
    @godslaughter Před 6 měsíci +2

    I am unsure where this whole video is going but, as someone who's partially in the palaeontological field, we HATE fossil smuggling, the black market and the exploitation and mistreatment of people from similarly exploited countries that are now poor due to it. Rare fossils should go to research institutions to be studied by science, not to be sold to private collectors. Plentifuls like shark teeth, various mollusc fossils, crustaceans, trilobite fossils and the like can and should be available to a public market but stuff that is important to science should remain accessible. The exact same stands for archaeological findings and they should also exist in their regions of origin and not be looted to be taken to goddamn London or something...sheesh.
    tl;dr - Myanmar amber is invaluable to science
    Myanmar amber is being excavated by a suffering and exploited workforce, then sold for high prices and smuggled

  • @experienceaeiou
    @experienceaeiou Před 5 měsíci +4

    This video was immensely impactful to me, I think of myself as a reasonably informed leftist but the framework of “zones” for the enaction of neocolonialism explains so much of the insanity of this decade. Much more than I expected of an archaeological video essay, a genre I already love. Thank you!

  • @lvil2295
    @lvil2295 Před 4 měsíci

    I've actually seen the pictures of the Iraq Museum and its artifacts after the looting taken by a military photographer. A professor of mine was John Russell, He served as temp senior advisor and civilian on the Coalition Provisional Authority under the Iraqi Minister of Culture. They worked on rebuilding the museum after its sacking. I took his art history class on Iraq. Great class and great guy. Don't know if they ever published the pictures but it was cool getting to see and hear about the backroom stuff and interworkings of trying to assess damage and rebuild

  • @andrewvideogames
    @andrewvideogames Před 4 měsíci +1

    SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME THE NAME OF THE MGS TRACK THAT STARTS THE VIDEO!

    • @saber8156
      @saber8156 Před 28 dny

      Try recording into and uploading it to AHA music finder

    • @DoktorKleiner
      @DoktorKleiner Před 25 dny

      It's the music that plays in the first Granin cutscene

  • @My_Alchemical_Romance
    @My_Alchemical_Romance Před 6 měsíci

    Just knew this was gonna be a banger. Great job

  • @DudeEggs
    @DudeEggs Před 5 měsíci

    Interesting name you have for your channel. ¿Bist du ein Rosenkruezer?

  • @owensspace
    @owensspace Před 5 měsíci +1

    Had no idea hobby lobby had this kind of stuff

  • @christopher5846
    @christopher5846 Před 4 měsíci

    I'm Iraqi and funnily enough I found this video through its mention under the Valkyria one.
    Very informative and well researched, it's evident in its tendency not fall into the old and tired orientalist pitfalls, reductive/unsubstantial narratives and narrow dichotomies that have unfortunately characterized most of the videos covering my country on this website.
    You still might be surprised to learn that as someone from a Christian background I still appreciate the distinction between the grassroots Iraqi resistance which was ostensibly secular and the foreign fundamentalist groups that spawned independent of it, often in direct opposition.

  • @grt49er
    @grt49er Před 4 měsíci

    Jon Oliver did a segment on artifacts. He didn’t catch the tie with group’s profit. Nor Hobby Lobby.

  • @Furore2323
    @Furore2323 Před rokem +2

    +1 Legal Kimchi points

  • @giansideros
    @giansideros Před 6 měsíci +1

    As someone who resides in the UK, it does feel we should return the Greek artefacts, they have immense economic value, not just inherent cultural value.
    As an Hellenophile who seldom travels, I've seen the Elgin Marbles in the British Museum and the Minoan collections in Oxford, amongst other treasures, I spent money in the localities that I wouldn't have otherwise, the Museums themselves sell merchandise with the various artefacts emblazoned on them.
    I have less of an incentive to go to Greece and spend my money there.
    It seems absurd that the UK is profiting off of this, they do draw massive crowds of tourists, it's no small deal.

  • @ingold1470
    @ingold1470 Před 4 měsíci +3

    18:30 - And possibly a neoconservative tendency to take Western cultural characteristics for granted. Didn't even occur to them that the artifacts would be looted the instant the dictator was toppled, must have assumed the Iraqis would be as orderly as the Germans.

    • @Joesolo13
      @Joesolo13 Před 4 měsíci

      Which is also pretty funny given the Germans looted everything they could themselves.

  • @BaronVonQuiply
    @BaronVonQuiply Před 4 měsíci

    10:54 Not an artifact, but in the early 2010s I bought an item for $1200 that shipped directly from China and said on the packing slip _"for customs say $35 only"_

  • @Litepaw
    @Litepaw Před 5 měsíci

    I havent heard about this one, i only know about the sequel: Hobby Lobby and the Prisoner of Guantanamo

  • @pizzaguy552
    @pizzaguy552 Před rokem +1

    Cant wait to steal some relics today!

  • @tiagghho
    @tiagghho Před rokem

    Hi. Did you took down your video on how you became a youtuber? Why?

    • @Rosencreutzzz
      @Rosencreutzzz  Před rokem +1

      No it's just in a particular playlist somewhere on the channel page. I moved it to there to kind of "declutter"

    • @tiagghho
      @tiagghho Před rokem

      ​@@Rosencreutzzztarot! Nice ^^ went for copper, found gold

  • @abarette_
    @abarette_ Před 6 dny

    It's funny that Daesh is uncommon in English, when in French it's the more common word

  • @RobMarchione
    @RobMarchione Před 5 měsíci

    I recently started painting again and I’m glad CZcams is here right on cue make me feel guilty about that.

  • @Ratdaddy752
    @Ratdaddy752 Před 5 měsíci

    This was easily one of the most poignant essays I’ve ever heard

  • @100perdido
    @100perdido Před 5 měsíci +5

    Hobby Lobby supports Christian Values. The values of the Crusaders to loot.

  • @susanray8811
    @susanray8811 Před 5 měsíci +1

    There ain't no right way to do the wrong thing.