Moeller can also be practiced utilizing rebound. This releases the tension created by gripping the stick tightly when it strikes the pad. In this case, "control" comes from controlling the upstroke, not the downstroke. With that approach, "control" becomes a degree of looseness, not tightness.
I like this. Can you explain in a little more detail? I would really appreciate it! I tend to grasp drum concepts well when revealed what the hands/arms are doing in each part of a single stroke
Dude, the postural advice is awesome. You're giving literally the exact same pointers that have to be given in athletics about shoulder safety - shoulders back and down with chest out and up. And this was ten years ago! Props to you especially for that.
Man you so have the right approach...I'm so flippin' gratefull to finally hear someone explain it how you do...I have been putting of learning it for flippin' years because of too many bad vibes and bad info surrounding it. I'm a feeler, but i need more technique so I can get out whats in my mind. Thanks for opening a space that i can get though. Peace & Love.
Nothing like listening to a fellow New Yorker teach such a popular yet misunderstood technique Just perfect. Thank you. Having studied, briefly, with Joe Morello, so I use it to some degree. It's time to really take this on. Great job. Peace.
Thanks. Watching your lesson was like getting advice from a top notch lawyer instead of from the guy at a bar. I learned the history behind the technique, the safe way to do it, and the correct way to learn it, instead of a quick lesson I didn’t understand and fifteen minutes of showing off. I much appreciate you taking the time to pass your knowledge to we who want to learn from masters.
Brilliant, thanks so much for this. There are aspects of Moeller in my grip/playing but this has really helped me understand the nuances and how I can improve.
Your videos are awesome! Thanks! I've been playing for two years and never tried the Moeller Method until now. I can't believe how much rebound I'm getting. This is great!
Nice ! I had the pleasure of doing a joint drum clinic with Jim Chapin (many years ago ) I was really pleased when he gave me thumbs up for my Moeller technique.
I don't really post comments on drum vids but this one I have to. FOR THE LOVE OF WHOEVER YOU BELIEVE IN LISTEN TO THIS MAN! I had a drum teacher who never checked my bad habits and so to date I have had trouble with 3 trigger fingers (1 operated on) and carpal tunnell operations to both wrists. I seriously thought about giving up on drumming. Only by chance I found a teacher in my next villiage who taught the Moeller Technique PROPERLY. After only a few months all the pain in my hands and wrists is gone, it's not easy learning new technique, habbits from over years of getting it wrong but persevere, be paitent, if it's worth having then it's woth waiting for. This educator will save you pain, tears, money and hospital appointments. Please give him serious respect. Jim PS I'm still drumming :)
Hi Jai, found your videos today on the Moeller Technique, these are the best ones I've come across. Thank You! I can't wait to start incorporating what I've learned into my practice sessions. Frank
Hey Jai...thank you so much for your posts and video instructions..i have also been following your methods via Drumeo...it is helping a great deal....and i am starting to notice a difference going around the drum set....hopefully i can get on to playing live music..cheers George
GREAT, GREAT, GREAT - Jim Chapin would be Proud to hear such a great explanation, As would Don F. Your enthusiasm and attention to detail are excellent as well. It's always nice to see others who teach similarly to ones' self a real boost to My confidence in my teaching method.
WOW! awesome video jai! love the attention to detail and how you focus on posture. really the best explanation of this technique I´ve seen so far on YT! and it´s only part one. now on to part two :D
Thank you so much man… Moeller is an amazing technique but so many, and I mean so many drummers ruin their hands by doing it wrong.. Thank you for the comment :)
Most helpful lesson on drumming technique I've seen in a while. I like how you stress out body positioning and posture again and again, because I too think that's very important. I have to admit my wrists hurt a little after a while performing excercise in part #2, but that probably comes from the previous days where I practiced on a too fast a tempo with an undeveloped technique. Anyway I'll take it slow in the next couple of days and focus on feet independence. Thank you very much for the video.
thanx so much mate i play good the tec on my right hand and left but on left only traditional.. when i started to try make my left hand in tratditional i got a real injury cuase i never caught the pinky and second finger...so many years all wrong bless ya !
His intro reminds me of Friends, where Phoebe does not let Joey touch a guitar when she tries to teach him to play guitar, until it is too late. :) This is the best of the videos explaining this technique. At least in a way that I understand and that seems legit and realistic to me as a novice drummer.
Great video and instruction. I've been wanting to learn this technique for some time on my own, but the videos I watched were not that helpful. This video made things click and the light went off in my head. I think I finally have the tools to succeed in learning this the right way now. Thanks so much!
Hi Jai. Id just like to compliment you on explaining this technique so thoroughly. I have looked at a lot of stuff on the internet but none of them are no where near as good as yours. In particular, i like the way you have picked up on the small things that make such a huge difference Thanks for sharing.
Jai - just so you know, your videos are helping people all over the world. I'm watching this at 10:30pm in a small town in England! Great info and thanks for sharing. Would love to see some vids on your general drumming lifestyle philosophy (that you hinted at on a Sunday coffee post). :)
Hey man.. I just gave some people a months free membership.. Interesting that you commented today... very. I'll be holding a very special one this coming Sunday.. Send me an email at jai@drummerjaies.com Ill send you the username and password for the month:)
Gonna comment as I watch so will maybe make tons of individual comments. Sorry for the mess but the upside is that it helps with the algorithm - I think. Anyway, it's great that you're highlighting the risk for injury. That alone gives a bit of quality to the video that many other videos don't have. And while I ENJOY learning history and appreciate the dive, the idea that anyone has to earn the right to use a technique or especially to learn to do it safely by learning the history is...snobbish
Hi Jai, Nice instructions. In regards to who plays there Hats with straight 8th & 16th without 1/4 beat accents, that would be most Motown, and old style soul players. In fact being able to control playing or not playing an accent on your Hats is vital!
From an athletic perspective, that learning technique you're explaining requires extreme pronation, which definitely carries high risk of injury over time. Good for you for addressing that.
+Jai Es have all 3 dvdsx from others ,your instruction is the best playing drums for over 50 years berklee grad wish i knew this 10 years ago thanks again
I love this video. It reminds me of a world I've just heard stories of: The East Coast. But in all seriousness, I had to visualize what you were looking like. This video gave me fears of epileptic seizures. I'm seriously rebooting and hoping it's better. It hurts my eyes. But other than that I respect your knowledge, sir! Thanks for sharing!
What a great video, thank you! Even after playing 38 years, I've learned a great deal! Do you recommend the snare mute or can you use a practice pad on the snare?
Jai as always your lessons are superior. And what you say between the strokes is just as important as the demos themselves. I think some won't understand that until they have put some time in. Question #1: With your Ram Pad do you find going from it to the snare to be less of a jolt then say using a typical Rubber pad? Question #2: I have solid wrist development and decent finger technique but i have wanted to add more fluidity by working on Open/Close + Push/Pull method. I feel they all work on some sort of the same physical principles but with nuances. My questions is do you feel learning or working on the Moeller technique FIRST would be beneficial. It seems working my way down from the more larger muscle groups to the finesse of the wrists/fingers makes sense... Thoughts? Thanks!!
Sir, have you also tried using this technique going left to right, or going through all grips using the Moll. Tech? It's how I started, by flicking to side, like turning a key real fast. Can get 5 hits in one flick. Cheers
Jai, this is awesome. I have listened and started with sticks but am frustrated with the exact wrist and sound. How long to get through the frustration or does it just depend on the person and the time put in?
😁Thank you much. Have used what ive called a mini flick. Could never explain it to people. It's what you showed to be the smallest Moll. Stroke. It was natural to me. Not a good drummer (me), at 52 I'm starting over. Very cerebral, needed to know, cheers.
Well done! This is the best lesson that I've found on you tube, absolutely! Your explanation is very simple and rich of useful advice! Thank you for sharing this good knowledge freely! P. S. Is that a charmichael drum throne?
Sure man! The CM throne is designed for one persons butt, so the gap is s bit too wide. It's also designed to help alleviate sciatic nerve pressure, which it does, but what it also does is throw your hips and shoulders off balance, hence your neck. In the end it will create more problems than it will help. Also because it's two individual cushions one will have more pressure do to our "natural" lean, if you rotate the throne 180, one side will be about two to three inches lower.. Like sitting with a wallet in your back pocket. It throws your entire body out of alignment.
Ok man! I searched this kind of drum throne in Europe, but I can't find! At the end I construct a similar drum throne by my self whit the help of an artisan, creating a gap of two inches, because I thought that the gap of the CM was wider than I needed! I can tell you that my balance got better!
They're not Moeller driven although you can use Moeller for Ghost notes too.. But generally speaking.. Nope Ghost note is just that really soft tapped note.. Can be done in German , French, American grip utilizing moeller, free stroke or normal strokes .. Anything. You dictate the ghost now ;)
Thanks for the video. I could not understand the name of Jim Chapin's student, (Dan something), can u please send me his name for me to continue my researches?
This is not the method which Jim had taught..there's a long descriptive video you can find in CZcams and Jim goes indepth of the technique...sorry but Moller technique doesn't involve German or French Timpani play...
you're doing the jojo thing wrong at like 5:10. it comes from the shoulder! I think you're using the forearm more. I dunno. Could be wrong but that's how it looks to me.
Moeller can also be practiced utilizing rebound. This releases the tension created by gripping the stick tightly when it strikes the pad. In this case, "control" comes from controlling the upstroke, not the downstroke. With that approach, "control" becomes a degree of looseness, not tightness.
I like this. Can you explain in a little more detail? I would really appreciate it!
I tend to grasp drum concepts well when revealed what the hands/arms are doing in each part of a single stroke
Learning this right now at School of Rock in Atlanta. Thank you for explaining it the right way.
Dude, the postural advice is awesome. You're giving literally the exact same pointers that have to be given in athletics about shoulder safety - shoulders back and down with chest out and up. And this was ten years ago! Props to you especially for that.
Great visual demo/explanation of the technique. Love that you point out the butt end of the stick.
Man you so have the right approach...I'm so flippin' gratefull to finally hear someone explain it how you do...I have been putting of learning it for flippin' years because of too many bad vibes and bad info surrounding it. I'm a feeler, but i need more technique so I can get out whats in my mind. Thanks for opening a space that i can get though. Peace & Love.
Nothing like listening to a fellow New Yorker teach such a popular yet misunderstood technique Just perfect. Thank you. Having studied, briefly, with Joe Morello, so I use it to some degree. It's time to really take this on. Great job. Peace.
Thank you for making these videos. You’re an amazing teacher.
- Tim
Thanks. Watching your lesson was like getting advice from a top notch lawyer instead of from the guy at a bar. I learned the history behind the technique, the safe way to do it, and the correct way to learn it, instead of a quick lesson I didn’t understand and fifteen minutes of showing off. I much appreciate you taking the time to pass your knowledge to we who want to learn from masters.
Brilliant, thanks so much for this. There are aspects of Moeller in my grip/playing but this has really helped me understand the nuances and how I can improve.
Your videos are awesome! Thanks!
I've been playing for two years and never tried the Moeller Method until now. I can't believe how much rebound I'm getting. This is great!
You are a wonderful teacher. I just started drumming amd there is so much to learn. I feel overwhelmed.
Me too....
this is a must watch for all drummers doesn't matter what level your on its a must watch
I agree with most of theese comments, this is the best lesson I've found on youtube, helped me fix some mistakes, like the wrong german grip, etc.
Awesome! This is the REAL lesson! looking for another one!
Nice ! I had the pleasure of doing a joint drum clinic with Jim Chapin (many years ago )
I was really pleased when he gave me thumbs up for my Moeller technique.
I don't really post comments on drum vids but this one I have to. FOR THE LOVE OF WHOEVER YOU BELIEVE IN LISTEN TO THIS MAN! I had a drum teacher who never checked my bad habits and so to date I have had trouble with 3 trigger fingers (1 operated on) and carpal tunnell operations to both wrists. I seriously thought about giving up on drumming. Only by chance I found a teacher in my next villiage who taught the Moeller Technique PROPERLY. After only a few months all the pain in my hands and wrists is gone, it's not easy learning new technique, habbits from over years of getting it wrong but persevere, be paitent, if it's worth having then it's woth waiting for. This educator will save you pain, tears, money and hospital appointments. Please give him serious respect. Jim PS I'm still drumming :)
Thank you for the best explanation of the Moeller Tech that I have see on CZcams. Well done sir.
Great lesson! And I love the quietone pad. I used one for years and years until I lost the springs that secure it.
I like that you have two camera angles. That's helpful and sadly absent in many of these kinds of tutorials.
Thank Jai, as usual you are a class act.. Always a pleasure learning from the master
Thank you so much for your exceptional presentation!
Man, you`re an awesome teacher..!! thanks for the losson..!
You actually made me the drummer I allway been fien too be I stg god bless you this technique so hard but u broke it down
Hi Jai, found your videos today on the Moeller Technique, these are the best ones I've come across. Thank You! I can't wait to start incorporating what I've learned into my practice sessions. Frank
Great job of explaining Moeller Technique. Thank you
Beyond Excellent!!!!
Hey Jai...thank you so much for your posts and video instructions..i have also been following your methods via Drumeo...it is helping a great deal....and i am starting to notice a difference going around the drum set....hopefully i can get on to playing live music..cheers George
Great lesson my friend. No nonsense.....Love your style...
This is one of the best videos on this I've come across. Nice work!👌🏻😀
Love your passion! Best video I've ever seen on the Moeller technique. All the best! David Curtis
TY Sir, finally got it. Strong hand teaching the other now....
Great job! Thank you!
GREAT, GREAT, GREAT - Jim Chapin would be Proud to hear such a great explanation, As would Don F. Your enthusiasm and attention to detail are excellent as well. It's always nice to see others who teach similarly to ones' self a real boost to My confidence in my teaching method.
WOW! awesome video jai! love the attention to detail and how you focus on posture. really the best explanation of this technique I´ve seen so far on YT! and it´s only part one. now on to part two :D
Thank you so much man… Moeller is an amazing technique but so many, and I mean so many drummers ruin their hands by doing it wrong.. Thank you for the comment :)
Thank you "New Yawk"
This was an amazing video, thank you for addressing this.
thanks so much man! You're an amazing teacher!
Most helpful lesson on drumming technique I've seen in a while. I like how you stress out body positioning and posture again and again, because I too think that's very important.
I have to admit my wrists hurt a little after a while performing excercise in part #2, but that probably comes from the previous days where I practiced on a too fast a tempo with an undeveloped technique. Anyway I'll take it slow in the next couple of days and focus on feet independence. Thank you very much for the video.
Brilliant vid. You address some really important things here, many thanks
Thank you!
GRACIAS!! saludos de CHILE
Really well explained. Thanks and all the best!
fantastic..thanky you...this is a very high level of explanation.....
Love this ! Best lesson ever buddy :)
Really fine tutorial!!!!!
Superb demonstration!
thanx so much mate i play good the tec on my right hand and left but on left only traditional.. when i started to try make my left hand in tratditional i got a real injury cuase i never caught the pinky and second finger...so many years all wrong bless ya !
This is a brilliant lesson, cheers mate 👍
great video lesson 5stars
His intro reminds me of Friends, where Phoebe does not let Joey touch a guitar when she tries to teach him to play guitar, until it is too late. :)
This is the best of the videos explaining this technique. At least in a way that I understand and that seems legit and realistic to me as a novice drummer.
This video is much better than Chapin's. Much more detail. Thanks!
Great lesson im going to practice more this technic this week
Very good, very useful!!! Thanks.
Great video and instruction. I've been wanting to learn this technique for some time on my own, but the videos I watched were not that helpful. This video made things click and the light went off in my head. I think I finally have the tools to succeed in learning this the right way now. Thanks so much!
Great video, thanks a lot!
Hi Jai. Id just like to compliment you on explaining this technique so thoroughly. I have looked at a lot of stuff on the internet but none of them are no where near as good as yours. In particular, i like the way you have picked up on the small things that make such a huge difference Thanks for sharing.
Dom Famularo.
www.DomFamularo.com
Finally a real breakdown
are you seem like a really cool guy and I really like your videos I will keep trying what you're teaching I like your approach thanks
Jai - just so you know, your videos are helping people all over the world. I'm watching this at 10:30pm in a small town in England! Great info and thanks for sharing. Would love to see some vids on your general drumming lifestyle philosophy (that you hinted at on a Sunday coffee post). :)
Hey man.. I just gave some people a months free membership.. Interesting that you commented today... very. I'll be holding a very special one this coming Sunday.. Send me an email at jai@drummerjaies.com Ill send you the username and password for the month:)
Jai Es Cool. I'll email you now. :)
Gonna comment as I watch so will maybe make tons of individual comments. Sorry for the mess but the upside is that it helps with the algorithm - I think. Anyway, it's great that you're highlighting the risk for injury. That alone gives a bit of quality to the video that many other videos don't have. And while I ENJOY learning history and appreciate the dive, the idea that anyone has to earn the right to use a technique or especially to learn to do it safely by learning the history is...snobbish
Hi Jai,
Nice instructions.
In regards to who plays there Hats with straight 8th & 16th without 1/4 beat accents, that would be most Motown, and old style soul players. In fact being able to control playing or not playing an accent on your Hats is vital!
thank you, thank you
From an athletic perspective, that learning technique you're explaining requires extreme pronation, which definitely carries high risk of injury over time. Good for you for addressing that.
MAN YOU HAV THE BSST VIDS HANDS DOWN I KNOW IV WATCHED 90 %OF THE OTHERS THX
ANKS FOR PUTTING IN THE TIME
stop yelling. it's really annoying.
Thank you sir.
great instruction ,this man is a teacher and a performer 5 stars
Thank you!!!
+Jai Es have all 3 dvdsx from others ,your instruction is the best playing drums for over 50 years berklee grad wish i knew this 10 years ago thanks again
+Charles Nappi seriously thank you! After I come home from my vaca I'll be releasing an awesome CZcams lesson :) very soon!!
+Jai Es let me know
+Charles Nappi are you in ct,? love to get some lessons nappicharles@gmail.com
I love this video. It reminds me of a world I've just heard stories of: The East Coast.
But in all seriousness, I had to visualize what you were looking like. This video gave me fears of epileptic seizures. I'm seriously rebooting and hoping it's better. It hurts my eyes. But other than that I respect your knowledge, sir! Thanks for sharing!
Rebooting? Seizures? Huh???
Don't do drugs and come to comment on drum videos, dude.
What a great video, thank you! Even after playing 38 years, I've learned a great deal! Do you recommend the snare mute or can you use a practice pad on the snare?
Right on!
The Mohler technique was the natural way I struck my drums when I began drumming as a child. Didn't even know it had a name.
still love it!!
@Guido Nietmann ... Dom Famularo is the drummer Jai is talking about.
Theory is everything.
Jai as always your lessons are superior. And what you say between the strokes is just as important as the demos themselves. I think some won't understand that until they have put some time in.
Question #1: With your Ram Pad do you find going from it to the snare to be less of a jolt then say using a typical Rubber pad?
Question #2: I have solid wrist development and decent finger technique but i have wanted to add more fluidity by working on Open/Close + Push/Pull method. I feel they all work on some sort of the same physical principles but with nuances. My questions is do you feel learning or working on the Moeller technique FIRST would be beneficial. It seems working my way down from the more larger muscle groups to the finesse of the wrists/fingers makes sense... Thoughts? Thanks!!
You are great
you need to put a link to part 2 and 3 in the description.
perfect lesson for dummies like me... most instructions always starts in triplets just leaves me wondering how did they arrive at that point
Ok, thumbs up on this video. Hopefully you get more views. Peace.
Sir, have you also tried using this technique going left to right, or going through all grips using the Moll. Tech? It's how I started, by flicking to side, like turning a key real fast. Can get 5 hits in one flick. Cheers
I take lessons at the LIDC now, I have for about 5 years. Do you remember Dennis and Jerry? Cool place still.
Jai, this is awesome. I have listened and started with sticks but am frustrated with the exact wrist and sound. How long to get through the frustration or does it just depend on the person and the time put in?
thanks
hahah everything is superlative with this guy
It's a great way to look at life my friend.
Thanks for posting this Jai... well explained, can't wait to try it out..
😁Thank you much. Have used what ive called a mini flick. Could never explain it to people. It's what you showed to be the smallest Moll. Stroke. It was natural to me. Not a good drummer (me), at 52 I'm starting over. Very cerebral, needed to know, cheers.
8:14: wrist up wrist down ; full, medium, low stroke. thank .
Well done!
This is the best lesson that I've found on you tube, absolutely!
Your explanation is very simple and rich of useful advice! Thank you for sharing this good knowledge freely!
P. S.
Is that a charmichael drum throne?
Hey Thank you!
And yes it is one of the Carmichael thrones, but I DON'T use them at all any longer .
:)
Jai Es
Can I ask why?
Sure man! The CM throne is designed for one persons butt, so the gap is s bit too wide. It's also designed to help alleviate sciatic nerve pressure, which it does, but what it also does is throw your hips and shoulders off balance, hence your neck. In the end it will create more problems than it will help. Also because it's two individual cushions one will have more pressure do to our "natural" lean, if you rotate the throne 180, one side will be about two to three inches lower.. Like sitting with a wallet in your back pocket. It throws your entire body out of alignment.
Ok man! I searched this kind of drum throne in Europe, but I can't find! At the end I construct a similar drum throne by my self whit the help of an artisan, creating a gap of two inches, because I thought that the gap of the CM was wider than I needed!
I can tell you that my balance got better!
Thank for your answer!: )
The technique is best taught in triplets...basically down,tap, up...watch the actual video of Jim and learn from there
Hi Jai,
Are GHOST NOTES are similar or derived by Moeller technique?
They're not Moeller driven although you can use
Moeller for Ghost notes too.. But generally speaking.. Nope Ghost note is just that really soft tapped note.. Can be done in German , French, American grip utilizing moeller, free stroke or normal strokes .. Anything. You dictate the ghost now ;)
+MyDrumLife.com
sir, your tattoo is too damn cool, may i ask, where did you get that kind of tattoo sir?
+Jai Es
Thanks for the video. I could not understand the name of Jim Chapin's student, (Dan something), can u please send me his name for me to continue my researches?
Guido Nietmann Dom Famularo
only wrist no fingers?
For the hihat part of songs, in a lot of cases even sounding eight notes are required. So don't use this technique always for your right hand.
An injury?
I wouldn’t go AS far as saying I’m a drummer....... yet !!
I haven’t earned that title
This is not the method which Jim had taught..there's a long descriptive video you can find in CZcams and Jim goes indepth of the technique...sorry but Moller technique doesn't involve German or French Timpani play...
That's no M. Stroke. He never had that weak wrist crap. Where's this from. I started from Jim.
The wrist leads the hand,,,
you're doing the jojo thing wrong at like 5:10. it comes from the shoulder! I think you're using the forearm more. I dunno. Could be wrong but that's how it looks to me.
Я понял понял!)
Loud!