Why Sting Left the Police (2016)
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- Sting talks about songwriting and why he chose to leave the Police after the major success of “Synchronicity.”
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Not many people know this, but when Sting left the band he defunded The Police.
@William Taylor ba-dum-tss
Jokeman
Hahaha what a cokehead
Ha!
I see what you did there
Sting wrote their songs but Stewart Copeland’s changeups, fills, and nonlinear fluid precision elevated all of The Police’s songs.
Each member made The Police.
Not to mention that without Stewart, the band doesn't form at all. He put it together. He found Sting. and he and Sting eventually found Andy Summers.
I always liked Copeland’s songs best. Witty and thoughtful.
@@marksandoe4809 Copeland's Klark Kent album was decent, but Copeland can not sing.
Can’t forget Andy’s fairly unique guitar playing either. All three were great.
Sting went more jazzy as a solo act, and that was a great sound. But there’s no topping the Police at their best.
Yeeeeup!
More kitchy not jazzy. Do not call it jazzy.
Blue Oyster Cult was better. And so were the Ramones.
@@danielbrown3461 WTF does that have to do with Sting infusing jazz into his songs and how his solo career stacks up against his time in the Police? Weird random opinion to toss out, alright, good to know. /smh
@@danielbrown3461 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
They all seem to be so fond of one another. I heard Mr Copeland in a recent interview talking about how much he loves Andy and Sting. Was very touching.
I've also heard that as people, they get along very well. It's only when the instruments get involved that it becomes "the thing"
Stewart
It's not truthful Stuart Copland and sting were at odds and at each other's throats
@@kennethpeller7411 Oh I'm so sorry...I forgot you knew him and you were always in the room with both of them.
@@ConglomerationCat and you were there to to witness that so sorry to say betcha weren't miss authority
When the Police were together I didn’t appreciate how good Andy Summers was. He was brilliant.
Totally agree. Listening to thier stuff now the first 2 albums the guitar is way back in the mix it's drums and bass that you hear up front. I think it was a time when that was the case with a lot if production.
IS brilliant. Is.
Stewart Copeland is a phenomenal drummer!
Sting didn't write the drums parts though. Just kind of annoys me.
Yes, he is.
Stewart
@@TheAgentAssassin He did take more and more creative control towards the end. I think I remember Stewart saying that by the time they recorded Ghosts in the Machine, Sting planned everything, down to every last Hi-Hat hit and wanted his songs to be played exactly as written.
One of the best drummers out there
As a solo artist you’ve got more control. As a band there’s always compromise, yet that compromise and collaboration often yields greater results. Stings solo career is very successful but the songs The Police produced are the most iconic and fondly remembered.
Sting's solo stuff compared to the Police is mediocre, baby boomer drivel.
And more money
Agree. The tension within a group brings out a tested product. As a solo, sometimes you believe your own hype.
Copeland is a legend - he one of the best drummers alive and in the mid Top 20 of all-time.
why not just say top 10 lol
@@natmanprime4295 Cause he didn't define the genre so the playfield is larger.
Second only to Neil Peart IMO.
@@squirrelattackspidyCopeland and Peart are different, but I think Copeland grooves harder
Can’t deny Sting’s incredible talent… that could be said for all three members of the band.
And I don’t think Sting would deny The Police was indeed Stewart’s creation.
Just soooooo lucky they found each other & that music was made! Thanks gents!👍🎶❤️
It may’ve been Stewart’s creation but Sting wrote most of the songs. So he was mostly responsible for the band’s success.
@@coolcat6303 steward wrote most of the songs in the beginning
That's really cool how you worded that, in truth 😊
Stewart formed The Police to capitalize on the punk movement that had captivated England. Sting (and the fact that an accomplished guitarist had joined the band) brought them into the mainstream.
@@bryedeThe Police members were all in agreement that they wanted to use punk as a platform to achieve success. Stewart was more genuinely enthusiastic about punk, though he was obviously open to other musical tendencies. Andy dismissed it musically but admitted he liked " the energy" of punk in trying to do something new, and Sting's attitude toowards punk musically verged on the contemptuous though he said the good thing about punk is that it opened up the market to new bands with a different sound. So the Police's relationship to punk was a bit paradoxical: in many ways they were critical of it but at the same time they represented what the first wave of punk had been about in the first place, which was to do something totally fresh and different to what had dominated the music scene in the years before. Around 1979 the Police were seen as representative of the new mood punk had brought into the music scene and this contributed to their rise to prominence.
Stewart formed the band, not Sting. Stewart also found Andy.
OK but Sting was the de facto leader.
@@corailgris No, there wasn’t one. You should listen to Stewart and Sting talk about it. It was creative tension and neither gave way, which caused the arguments. But they’re very close and speak freely about it.
@@rkaylor5769 fair point, I was only referring to song-writing and singing.
Actually it was the other way around. Andy found Stewart and Sting. He insisted on joining his band. Funny story told by Stewart himself: 'Andy pulls me in a cafe and said: "You and that bassplayer got something. But you need me in the band and I accept." 😂😂😂
@@peterhopqk Mike Howlett had a band called Strontium 90: he hired Stewart and Sting, he introduced them to Andy. That's how they met Andy - there are recordings of this band.
I didn't get to see them when they were originally together, but saw them on the 2007 reunion tour, and it was one of my favorite concerts I have ever seen. As someone that absolutely loves guitar solos (which are pretty rare for the band), I still think they are one of the best power trios of all time.
Cream said..."Hold my Beer Police." And then Rush said to both of them...Sit on the Bench.
And what did the Jimi Hendrix Experience say?@@danielbrown3461
Awesome band.
Andy Summers amazing guitarist.
Stewart Copeland the best of the three.
I saw Sting once in a concert many years ago...
and all the time I couldn't stop thinking: "I wish this was THE POLICE"
lucky for me, a few years later they made the re-union tour and I finally saw The Police in 2007!!.
Nothing Sting has done solo has matched what he accomplished with the Police. I believe Andy and Stewart kept Sting's ego in check and allowed him to create amazing songs with the Police.
I totally agree with you, alas sales figures said otherwise.
C'mon,stings wrote some out of this world songs solo, Englishman in New York,fields of gold,lose my faith in you,desert rose to name but a few
Ten Summoners Tales is a masterwork. I beg to differ, kind sir. I also adore both bands.
Sting wrote some masterful solo singles that wouldn't have worked with The Police: Russians, Be Still My Beating Heart, Fragile, All This Time, If I Ever Lose My Faith In You
wrong , his solo songs are a masterpiece and better than the songs he was making when he was in the band if you ask me
Howard could interview himself basically. He doesn’t need any guests. If it were court, he get objections for leading the witness all the time, lol
He knows no other way.
It's irritating listening to him ask a question, and then as soon as they start talking, he talks over them.
And Robin chiming in trying to be funny and killing the room makes it worse.
I’m always amazed at how little Howard seems to know about his musical guests, and his rambling “questions” are inane.
his audience are mouth breathers; he speaks to their level.
@@peterg5383 He's a shock jock, not an interviewer.
He sure seem to love his own voice
Three great musicians without a doubt
And Sting is amazing songwriter
Stewart did an awesome side project from 1989-1991 called “Animal Logic”. It was a nice blend of Pop, Jazz and even a little Country as well. They only made 2 albums but there were lots of catchy songs that could’ve been hits if given the chance. Highly recommended.
Will definitely check it out, thanks
One of my favorite groups of all time. Love The Police.
Sting’s bass playing is awesome! And you can hear him in the mix.
With only three members I hope so
@@ARTPAINTING101 Andys guitar isnt distorted.
To be able to play bass and be lead singer is extremely hard, Sting has that gift though.
Yes, largely because it's a Fender Precision bass which is a more "up-front" bass sound.
I'd argue that despite commercial success after going on his own, very few of Sting's solo songs are quite as good as the hits recorded by the Police.
Few know, Sting wrote his first version of a Doo Doo Doo, Da Da Da, at three.
If I recall, he heard it on the Flintstones.
Except originally it was Ga Goo Goo Goo, Ga Gaa Gaa Gaa.
@@liquidmagma Yes. I heard that too. Lady Gaga was a big influence when Sting was a toddler.
He's the Mozart of rockers...
What
The Police are probably the most all around talented band of all time. Stewart Copeland and Andy Summers went on to do film scores. Copeland also has written operas and ballets. The Police are unbelievable.
It's amazing that every song The Police had was released in less than 5 years (November 1978 thru June 1983).
I thought that would be the Pat Metheny Group
Both have done other albums as well 👍
The Eagles were really talented as well as far as several members doing other projects.
Sting didn't "start" The Police, Stewart Copeland Founded The Police.....Big Difference....
One of the most mysterious, talented trios to ever surface.
@Tabby 3 jazz musicians pretending to be punks
@@ObamaFromKenya Pretty much....
Mysteriously popular.
The greatest rock trio ever
Along with the fine young cannibals
Three amazingly individual musicians that came together created musical magic which transcends time.
Maybe he wrote the songs, but Summers and Copeland arrangements made them masterpieces.
Not sure I buy Sting's argument that "the sound" of the Police was too limiting for him. Sure, their early albums were drenched in punk/reggae. But look at their "sound" by the time they hit Ghost in the Machine and Synchronicity. Spirits in the Material World, Every Little Thing She Does, Invisible Sun, Every Breath You Take, King of Pain, Wrapped Around Your Finger -- that's not a band with a limited sound. That's a palate of audio yum.
=money
@@fab3368 Money indeed - Sting said it bluntly in this interview.
*With this general issue/topic in mind, the incredible success of Phil Collins both on his own and with Genesis is/was astounding.*
How bold.
@@Labyrinth1010 *I already owned you yesterday.*
@@MattSingh1 *you owned nothing.*
And Peter Gabriel...
@@nectarinedreams7208 I think the point is Collins was able to be in both Genesis and have a solo career at the same time.
Gabriel left the band to have a solo career.
Very talented musician, but my goodness is there anyone that is fuller of themselves than Sting?
@Stephane Bolduc yes, Bono. Even in his 60s, he’s still full of himself.
Think of all the artists with 1 word names for themselves.
Madonna, Bono, Sting, Prince..... notice a pattern all ego maniacs
Maybe Billy Corgan.
@@Brinta3 he’s a 2 name artist 🤷🏻♂️
I also think Sting could afford to be a bit more gracious about the composing talents of Andy and Stewart. Stewart has had a significant composing career post Police and I believe Andy has done all sorts of projects too and also wrote songs for the Police as probably Copeland did too. At least Sting expresses good feelings and respect but could afford to give them more credit for their contributions to both the Police and what they have done after. Lots of ego swirling around.
"Sting is a big influence of mine. The music he makes, I don't really listen to it, but the fact he's making it, I respect that."
Try playing 'Every breath you take' using simple camping chords: G-Em-C-D-Em. This is the song Sting wrote.
Now listen to the actual song. This is what Stewart Copeland, and especially Andy Summers created using Sting's basic idea.
Come on, Sting, give a little credit where credit is due ;)
Sting is a genius , as are Andy and rightfully Stewart . Incredible
Sting my third favorite member of The Police.
And the most talented.
I don't think he is too particular about it, but Stuart Copeland has asserted he formed and named the Police. So contrary to what Howard implied in his first question: "...you have your drummer," etc., Stuart found Sting, not the other way around.
Correct. Copeland was taken to see Sting playing in his local band "Last Exit" in Newcastle by a local music journalist. They were playing in an upstairs room in a small pub...........
That’s true. And Sting is the most talented of the three. That’s also true.
@@notanotherjamesmurphy5574not necessarily true, maybe he’s more talented when it comes to writing hits, but the others, especially Copeland are amazing and have very respectable careers
absolutely
Andy Summers and Stewart Copeland were EVERY BIT as important as Sting in the Police. Sting may have had the frame/ skeleton of the songs but Andy and Stewart were the flesh. Sting minus Summers and Copeland soon changed his name to 'Stung'......
Absolutely. Without Stewart and Andy, there would have been no Police or their unique sound. Without the Police, would Sting have had the solo career that he has?
@@fightersweep Good point 👍
They were. They won a Grammy for 'Behind My Camel' which Sting hated and wouldn't play on. He was an incredible song writer but it was more equal than he wants to admit.
it’s crazy how many Police fans are either in denial or genuinely don’t realize that Sting is the most talented and did the most in that band
Andy was no slouch and had his brush with success before the Police.
I love Andy. Very underrated guitarist. Had this dreamy kind of sound that was entirely his own creation (eg. think Regatta de Blanc)
I agree, Andy Summers's guitar filled a lot of acoustic space.
@@khuddle Was the Edge before Edge
And he’s modest too.
A sad lack of Geordie in that voice 😔
Why aye, petal.
Sting didn't form The Police,Stewart Copeland did. . .
Just to correct this interview, Sting did not form the police, Stewart Copeland did.
Correct. He got Sting then went after Andy Summers.
Stern was rubbing Stingo’s ego.
Correct... And I can't believe he did not make this clear... it's an important point
Sting. Sting would be another person who's a hero. The music he's created over the years, I don't really listen to it, but the fact that he's making it, I respect that.
Sting has few hits but the The Police is the only thing that matters IMO
I guess Sting loved his bandmates so much he set them free. Ha, Ha. Get it?
El talento de los 3 músicos fue tan maravillosos que lo mejor que le pudo pasar a la banda fue........separarse para poder disfrutar por años a Stewart, Andy y a Sting!!😊
Not all bands have a particular sound, and a limiting one. Take the band that inspired Sting to write, for instance.
Or better yet, take The Police themselves lol. They evolved so much in the span of just five short years from Outlandos to Synchronicity, and they could've gone in a zillion different directions after that. I honestly think Sting is kinda bullshitting here and underselling how much tension and conflict there was in the band before they took their "hiatus".
When those things happen, bands breaking up, there are a million explanations of why that happened. I think dting was just saying whatever came to his mind to answer the question. But it's probably not true or even has to do with anything.
@@Christopher-md7tf I think he’s just being polite and not wanting to dredge up the past. The conflict between him and Stewart in particular, is legendary. Physical fights, etc
if the band change their sound then if should provide the same or greater quality of sound.
Miles Davis in 50s is different then Miles Davis in 60s or 70s or 80s, however every change was good as the last one.
Pink Floyd in 60s is different then 70s and 80s, however the quality is still good.
The same story with Underworld, 80s pop, 90s and 2000s techno
However, there are very few band that can make change and be successful transition and it is a huge risk.
I recall an Eddie Van Halen interview in which he said he was asked during the height of their popularity if he wanted to do a solo album. His response was "Why? I already wrote all the VH material."
Howard Stern should do a show interviewing Howard Stern. He would be very happy
I remember a couple of years after he went solo the police got back together and did another version of don't stand so close to me
My opinion he was better with the Police
😂
Lol
Nah. He was tolerable in the Police. I have not to listened to anything list Police unless it was unavoidable. He let his arrogance get in the way.
Your signiture sound eventually becomes a formula & the average formula last maybe 5 years. Then there's that spent feeling of being with each other more than your own family, if ya have one. If ya don't & ya wants one, ya can't start one by being with the boys all the time. The friction that happens before the break up happens because everyone knows it's time, but it's hard to let go.
I think there were a couple of facts at play : the constant in-fighting, partly I think they climbed to the such a height in terms of success(although I think there was probably another two albums left in them - if they had stayed together) and thought they couldn't top that, and finally, I think Sting thought that he had came into his own now(what with him writing most of the songs) and it was time to go solo.
His solo albums are nothing special compared to The Police
@@mariozd971 They are different, as they should be, but I liked a lot of his solo stuff. I still think "Dream of the Blue Turtles" is a really good album.
This is common for groups. Someone wants to go out on their own. No hard feelings, but I don’t,t recall much from the others after that.
He forgets to say he and Stewart argued all the time.
Where did you hear that from ?
I saw them 3 weeks before their last show.
The Beatles didn't really have a "sound". They went in whatever directions the muse took them.
The Police material is way better than his solo material. Guess he needed them more than he thought!
Oooh, I don't know about that. Perhaps The Police had a higher hit rate than his solo stuff, but he's produced some gems on his own. Moon over Bourbon Street is one of my faves.
Ten Summoners Tales superb solo album.
@@andrewpolasek5524 Amazing storytelling in that one. I love it.
Sting is very versatile, however, The Police should try to get back together to make another album.
He wanted all the rights and money. Saved you the whole vid. Next.
"A band has a certain sound, and it's limiting..."
Rush - Here, hold my beer, eh...
Howard talks more than his guests.
Top 5 bands of all time
Sting and the rest of them, Andy and Stewart were at the top of the World when Sting
started his solo career. I am a fan since the early 80's.
My favorite drummer wearing a t-shirt of one of my favorite bands. Can't beat that.
that's why when the Police did the reunion tour, they played stadiums. As solo, he plays very small theathers.
Odeon of Herodes Atticus in Athens, Greece is a small theater? LMAO
Andy Summers was the top musician in the band. An amazing guitarist.
Summers was the incredible guitar that flowed over the insane and unique drumming sound of Copeland. Walking on the Moon is the perfect example, the prefect poly rhythm and HI hat of Copeland and the sparse and haunting guitar of Summers. Both Copeland and Summers were the real talent of the Police.
Aside from the icons Rush, one of the greatest trios ever.
Whilst Sting obviously was integral, Andy & Stewart were every bit as important. When Sting performs Police songs on his own, that’s when you see how important the others were👍
I bought Sting's first album. Very Nice.
still got it
Dream of the Blue Turtle or something else?
@@Dave-ti2ue Yes I was in the army and that album sticks in my mind
Saw him tour that album at Wembley, great concert, was about 7 rows from the stage
As I much as I remember Sting even wrote in his memoirs book that they broke up because of the songs authorship and hence money. Correct me if I am wrong
in an interview I found with Stuart, he basically said Sting brought in songs with all parts finished and they had no creative input, or ability to add their own flair. They had become hired backing musicians. And there was constant conflict in playing everything Stings way, stings beats stings tempo.
Copeland made a fortune doing movie soundtracks. Wall Street for example had an amazing musical background and that's all him
And the equalizer TV series one of the best TV themes ever,and he did see no evil hear no evil
All are great musicians. I had to listen to Andy Summers solo Records to really appreciate his ability. Stewart Copeland is an amazing drummer. The Police went as far as they could go.
Love his speaking and singing voice.
The Police ❤
"Englishman In New York" has 279M views on youtube. I loved The Police but that song is great.
Definitely a great song.
Every Breath you Take has 1.2 billion views. What is your point?
You all should check out oysterhead sometime.
Three-piece band with...
Stewart Copeland
Les Claypool
Trey Anastasio
Fukkin supergroup.
More of this please.
We as fans want to know more ....
I liked DReam of the Blue Turtles but the rest of his stuff was straight up late 90s PM Dawn
I got to see The Police on the Ghost In The Machine tour and that was one hell a v a show.
Stewart started the band, according to himself.
Love Sting, but I love the Police more. They had magic!
Liked Sting when he was with the Police more. But, his first Solo Album was pretty good.
Three exceptionally competitive individuals in a room together releases a lot of creative chemistry but it's too explosive to last long. Five albums over five years is pretty good considering the circumstances.
As difficult to comprehend the Police stopping at their peak, eventually, they would have run out of gas.
They may have continued on with one or two good albums, but it would have been impossible to sustain the level they were at. Those 5 albums were cool.
love Sting but he is getting carried away, w/o The Police there is no Sting the megastar. It wasn’t a given…even his compositions wouldn’t be such hits without the ‘Police treatment’ that Stewart and Andy gave them. C’mon Gordon, get real 🍻
He was out of his mind back then Howard!
Lets not forget- Stuart Copleand was also a songwriter!
Sting is the better songwriter
Love his geordie accent........
Love Robin's chuckling "You're still together"?
that is so surprising to me, i'd think a band could be quite flexible and accommodate different directions its members wanted to go in
Sting could make three times the money by himself.
@@moderateminneapolita I've listened to pretty much everything both Sting and the Police ever released. His solo stuff wasn't anywhere near as good as his Police songs. Having that band tension seems to bring out the best in a lot of songwriters.
@@daveb224 Stings solo music is stuff you would hear playing in Bed , Bath and Beyond
@@litedawg lmao
@@daveb224 It just shows it wasn't just Sting behind the music. He may have written 90% of the hits but they didn't just go from his writing to the recording.
Stewart Copeland formed the Police and brought in both Sting and Andy. They were playing many of Copeland's songs in the beginning and the reggae beats and sound was also his idea. All are completely lost in this clip.
all because howard has to ramble out unresearched bio stuff without letting the person really talk. historical accuracy? what's that?
If you listen to Stewart Copeland playing you understand why he was the real soul of The Police.
I'm a huge Police fan. As i understand it they all get along well as good friends but The Police entity got in the way of that friendship. They made a fortune on the reunion tour and want to remain friends.
Replace entity with Sting's ego and Stewart not letting him get his way and that is how their whole career has gone. 2 documentaries out there that chronicle this.
Fan,Your a great interviewer Howard. Positive vibes ✌
I know Andy and Stewart "could have played" (talent wise) on Dream of the Blue Turtles, but I don't think that is where they really wanted to go as a band called The Police. Sting was headed in a very different direction, the end of The Police was how it should have been, in my opinion anyways.
It could've worked. I don't know if Stewart and Andy would've let Branford Marsalis be the unofficial 4th member for their 6th album. The 4 together could've created a masterpiece. But Stewart and Andy didn't want to be relegated to session musicians. Branford was the special sauce to Sting's first solo album, taking those songs to a special place.
It must have been hard for Sting to keep all the royalties and keep a band together. Didn't Richard Thompson write a tribute to him called Here Comes Geordie
Stewart Copeland formed the band, they should all be grateful it worked out for them.
Sting is a great writer, I don't get what the issue was, Bands always have ego issues amongst members
I love The Police too and was sad they broke up but not all bands have ego issues -- look at my favorite band of all time, Rush.
If you listen to his answer then you'll understand. It's not rocket science.
@@jimhardiman3836 💰
It was about him wanting his songs to be played in a very particular fashion and not wanting anybody else's creative input.
@@Christopher-md7tf in an interview I found with Stuart, he basically said Sting brought in songs with all parts finished and they had no creative input, or ability to add their own flair. They had become hired backing musicians. And there was constant conflict in playing everything Stings way, stings beats stings tempo.
It's always funny to see/hear the guests' frustration when Stern's leading ?s are premised in error.
Why are you asking the same questions. It's 40 f$#@ years later. History speaks for itself
Well I'm a huge fan of drummers. Stewart Copeland was one of my 3 favorites. The problem was Sting & Stewart were always at odds & argued all the time in the studio. They just couldn't get along.
He could have chosen to do both things but IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT STING...