Behringer WING vs. Allen & Heath SQ5 for Worship Ministry
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We have 2 of the Dante stage boxes with the SQ7 FOH and the SQ5 as the broadcast. Amazing tech for what we exactly needed. Love it.
We have the sq7 with Dante. We don’t regret it what so ever so easy to use, the workflow is excellent, the sound quality is superb and the build quality is well what you expect from Allen and Heath, top notch.
Wing with Dante
just got mine, haven't got into it much still soldering up XLR cables atm, but impressed so far.
Well done bro on your collab with Sweetwater. Congratulations
It finally happened, I was waiting for you to collab with sweetwater haha
Going to be setting up Dante software this weekend. I had an issue with sending audio signals from the Behringer wing to our streaming PC, whereas it was being sent through analog xlr cables going into a usb interface. We had to alter the cable with compression dongle switches in order to get the audio stream to capture correctly. Only problem was I was unable to properly mix the sound going into the stream from the Behringer wing. I had to set the gains to be really low so that the streaming pc would amplify it in such a way that it wasn't so distorted when I had the gain nearing unity on the Behringer wing. I was basically mixing with separate headpones going into a smartphone watching the live stream online stream with 10 second delays in order to spot check till it sounded okay, lol. I'm really looking forward to seeing Dante remedy this issue. Learning a lot from Churchfront, super fortunate you folks take the time to do this for your community of tech/worship leaders.
The Allen & Heath sounds excellent & the effects are excellent. I’ve used them in many situations for live sound, recording & video needing audio. Dependable & it’s the great sound.
Could you give any insight on the build quality? Is the SQ built well? Durable enough for touring?
Could you give any insight on the build quality? Is the SQ built well? Durable enough for touring?
@@yellowcard1933 I toured one around the US the summer of 2019 and have used it on dozens of other gigs since. It’s an excellent console!
Thanks Jake. One item that is important for many churches is the integration with personal (in-ear) monitors and as an SQ user it my experience is that it has great integration with Allen & Heath personal mixers which are powerful and dead simple to use.
Planning to use SQ6 and Mackie HM800 headphone amp. Not as flexible as the ME, but also a lot cheaper. Planning to use phones/tablets as foldback mix controllers..
this is exactly what I was looking for. Much appreciated man.
I just love the WING. It's the best console I have ever used for the money. Especially now that it does in fact have Dante.
very informative! thanks for the help Jake!
He did it. The mad lad actually did it.
*He got a sponsorship from Sweetwater*
lol no sponsorship. They just let me visit and mess around with any piece of gear I want.
We currently use Yamaha TF series mixers at all our sites. i have used the Behringer but that extra flexibility with routing allows volunteers to really screw them selves up. I need to be able to fix this over the phone
Been using the wing now for about 8 months and I can honestly say it is one of the most incredible consoles out there right now. Both for the price and in terms of just about anything under $20k-$25k. I've looked. At that point, the only reason one would choose another platform is because they prefer working on that particular platform, and not because it offers a feature set vastly superior to that of the Wing.
Everything from the incredibly DEEP routing flexibility, to the available "plugin" style effects [16 stereo], to the plethora of boutique, again "plugin" style, compressors, eqs, gates and other goodies that can be used on every channel simultaneously. Not to mention the ability to completely reorder your channel processing chain, or the 3 band eq they have to do some basic EQ work on sends that you set "Pre". And on that, pre and post is completely determinable per channel based on where you choose to tap a signal.
Honestly the list goes on and on and on. If someone wanted to really know more, just hit me up however you'd like and I'll geek out on this with you. But yea, in short, I've used both at relative length, and in my humble opinion, the Wing takes it. Its just unfortunate that its price point makes it seem like a more "pro-sumer" console, so many pros wont take a serious look at it and then the more "pro-sumer" users rarely will ever find true need or use for its feature-set and therefore will completely underuse it or overlook it altogether in favor of the X-32 they already have.
the reason real pros don't consider the Wing is the non-existent MusicTribe support..
Yes you can label each channel on the SQ5
We still using the x32. No problems. Also my jobs all on the QU and X32
It would be nice to have those scrible strips direct on a stagebox.
Excellent video. Quick question in something else... What cameras did you use for the recording of this video. Noticed a significant difference in color between blue and purple background.
ha, I have no clue why the background color was changing while skin tone remained consistent. Really threw me for a loop in editing. We're using a C200 and C300
I use both and like both. They each have their place. Currently, I will not sell a WING to anyone and for that matter any Music Tribe Product due to the support on the back end. I've had a DL231 stage box out for a power supply for 10 months now. We just bought a replacment for it and it was broken. I need a fader for a WING and it is 6-9 months before we will see it. I can't. I just can't. So, if you are in the market for a console, ask about the service on the back end of the purchase.
so we got the SQ6, and we currently use the analog snake, on aux: 1 stage monitor, 2 vox monitor, 3 in ears, 4 talkback, 5 broadcast and 6 Recording. broadcast & record, control via SQ Mix Pad, in ears control via SQ4you, and i must say its a flawless setup for us so far
Hi Jake,
Love your videos. Sorry I don’t comment more often. I recently got an sq-5 following your recommendations. I know you recommend vmix. Have you managed to get it to talk to the sq via usb? I’m hoping not to have to put an I/O in between but use the usb direct in.
Thanks for your help.
SQ7 and loving it!
Love your videos man
thanks Blake!
Hey, could you make a similar video, but this time for Analog mixers? Especially on how to route each channel to another analog mixer for live streaming. Could really help those of us who are still on the Analog side of life.
You'll likely want to get a splitter snake to send your audio to both boards. Depending on your board, there may not be an easy way to do that directly from your existing board.
@@DanGiesbrecht thanks
Wing has 48 Stereo inputs, SQ 48 Mono inputs. Wing has additional EQ on each channel for aux sends. Wing has 16 Stereo busses, SQ only 12. Wing has 8 Matrices, SQ only 3. Wing has 2 inserts per channel, SQ only 1. Wing has 4 Stereo busses. SQ only 1. Wing has 48ch usb interface, SQ 32ch interface. Wing can record up to 64ch on SD cards, SQ up to 32 on usb. Wing has a ton of native plugins and hardware models, SQ only a few, need to buy separately. Wing only has 8 mic inputs, needs stage boxes. SQ5 has 16 mic inputs. Wing has stagebox source naming and tags (new concepts), SQ doesn't.
UPDATE:
Wing can record to internal SD cards AND usb interface simultaneously, SQ can only record to one at a time: internal usb(A) or usb interface(B). Wing can assign parameters to faders, SQ cannot. Both Wing and SQ have fully customizable fader layers, BUT here's a BIG difference: Wing (even X32) has two banks that can each reflect different layers, SQ's only reflect one layer across the entire desk.
WING is definitely more powerful.
But that’s only the SQ5. The SQ6 and SQ7 offer more I/O and flexibility than the Wing in certain situations. It all depends on what your independent needs are.
This is an unfair comparison, the sq5 is not the same form factor as the wing, they should compare an sq6
SQ5 or SQ7 doesn’t matter, all three models have the same channel counts for everything routing wise. Just different hardware between the three (faders, knobs, and xlr sockets)
Nudgy is right. No difference between SQ5, 6 and 7. Just a bigger surface, so less layer jumping and more physical I/O on the back, but still 48ch mono inputs in total.
BUT, I must add, the SQ range has 4 dedicated busses for FX in addition to the 12 mix busses. Wing needs to steal one of the 16 busses for FX.
The SQ has one big advantage: it’s no Behringer. I never once had a great experience with behringer equipment. It’s a nice idea, however it doesn‘t work out.
You're in my backyard! You need to come to GearFest next year and do some videos!
SQ6 just arrived for us and it's solving a ton of issues. Great console.
We work with SQ6 over a year now, amazing console! Did you see the big firmware update already. It will blow your mind;)!
What kind of issues did you have that the SQ6 helped you solve?
@@kond1 1. Better touch interface. 2. Better remote app. 3. User security levels and permissions. 4. Digital Labels on channel strips, no scribble strip with ugly tape. 5. Dante. 6. Smaller footprint. 7. Forward compatibility with SLink and Backward compatibility with dSnake. 8. Built in led lighting (no goosenecks). 9 General awesomeness.
@@jongriffith4293 What mixer were you coming from?
@@spidafingaz1 Years ago we had the Presonus 24/4/2 and most recently the QU32, which wasn't Dante compatible.
I use SQ6.... Very simple and direct...
The Wing is so much bigger, more faders, and custom buttons on it. Plus they have updated it that it works with a DAW as well. The AH is the option if you don't have a lot of room to have a board.
That’s why A&H has the SQ-6 and SQ-7 if you need more faders or on-console mic/line inputs. All 3 have the same FPGA master processor and 48 x 36 I/O.
@@shawnslocum True but it's even more money 💰
The Wing is the option if you really have the extra room, like big screens and flashy gear. The SQ mixers are fully customizable (the 6-7 pack more soft keys and knobs). Without a stagebox (extra $$$) the Wing seems like more of a nice looking piece of gear than a good useful tool IMO. SQ mixers are nowadays a common sight on pro tour level stages standing right next to $20-50kPLUS mixers without a sweat, can´t say the same about the Wing.
I need a match up done between Behringer Wing and Allen & Heath Advantis
I love our SQ6! Don’t have to worry about the reliability issues with Behringer. We had an X32 before and it was a horrible experience.
Statistics say the x32 is one of the most reliable consoles on the market..
M. Gort the x32 was a nightmare for us. Constantly having issues and just sounded bad overall. Got the SQ6 and it was like a blanket was removed from our speakers.
@@bradleyhenady2032 that is not true of the x32 in general, it is a good sounding console, I regularly mix on consoles that cost more than my house and really have no problem with x32s sound quality.
chickenfizz our ears are different. The x32 sounds like you put a weighted blanket over every speaker in the room. Sure if it’s your first ever digital console it will get you by, but once you start using high end preamps, you notices the differences. The sq has very smooth highs, pronounced mids, and booming lows.
The x32 has harsh highs, a mediocre and muddy midrange, and good lows. I used both consoles for years extensively. It was a night and day difference in sound quality. People who don’t know anything about sound, complimented how much better and clearer things sounded.
@@bradleyhenady2032 faulty x32. Both consoles are ruler flat
Would like to know a comparison of the 2 regarding permissions / saving of settings. We have a school as well as a Church, as well as the facility being hired out, so we want to lock down controls for different groups of users.
I cannot find any mention of Behringer being able to have different users, is that correct ?
The Wing does snapshots, so it can recall eq/routing/faders/user banks/etc. pertinent to the type of ministries using the console throughout the week. This is amazing for me, because I can teach the women’s ministry (who can often be the most overwhelmed by this technology) how to access their snapshot/file on the Wing, which I’ve programmed to have all the faders blank except for two channels (computer audio for showing videos, and the mains fader) only seeing what they need to see for their context is way less intimidating then seeing a Sunday morning service snapshot! May not help with locking down controls for different users, but at least giving each Ministry/scenario their own snapshot is helpful
I already use the Wing in my church
Sam here. We love it.
On a live situation for me quality sound is important
I'm sorry if I missed it... The build in virtual effects, how many instansers can be inserted per channel? EQ, compressors? How much processing can it handle, on the SQ I think it's only 1 ad on virtual effect per channel? 🙂🙏
Thank you
Hi everyone,
The scribble script of the SQ seems very small. Can I have your thought about it ?
Also, I hesitate between the SQ, Presonus studiolive serie 3S and Yamaha TF series. Have you made a comparison between theses ?
Great video, but there are a few things about the Wing that were not mentioned. First, while it can only process 48 Channels, those channels can be stereo channels. So if you have a variety of stereo sources on your stage, (keyboards, guitars, etc.), that could add up to a LOT more channels. (I believe that while you can put two inputs into one channel on the SQ boards, both of those channels count against your final count... I may be wrong about that though.) Also, in terms of outputs, the Wing also blows away the SQ5, with 16 Stereo sends, 8 Stereo Matrices and 4 stereo outputs (vs. 12, 3, and 1 on the SQ) The Wing also has boutique Gate, compression and EQ emulations available on every channel included in the price whereas that capability costs an additional $520 in add-ons for the SQ series. The Wing also has more parametric bands (8) available on the outputs as well. And where the SQ-5 is a descendant of the D-Live, the Wing is really the poor man's version of the Midas Heritage D. That is too say, a LOT of the technology in the Wing (to include the ability to solo EQ bands without affecting the house output) was developed while designing the HD96. With all of that said, I have heard that the native remote control software for the Wing is still a bit sketchy, and I am looking forward to improved stability and functionality on that front. Also, it should be noted that the SQ5 has 96KHz processing whereas the Wing is limited to 44.1/48 KHz. Both good consoles, and they both have their pros and cons. Good review!
Oh, this changes things
Small correction: The wing got 40 stereo channels and 8 aux channels with less processing options.
Yes, these are important distinctions that probably would’ve been worth mentioning. We currently are using an SQ5, but are upgrading to a Behringer wing. Having to pay Allen and Heath extra in order to have basic things like a De-easer left me like, “Are you kidding me?” And then you have to go online to unlock that feature, and you better make sure you buy the feature for the right console. Unlocking it for an SQ6 doesn’t unlock it for an SQ5.
Also, the routing makes more sense on the Wing. Setting up the SQ5 for virtual Soundcheck takes a bunch of routing work. But with the Wing, we have it now set up for a single button routing recall that allows virtual Soundcheck.
TOTALLY TOTALLY TOTALLY agree here.
very much agreed, i just feel in my experience the sq5 is just really nice to use and has higher quality output like you said
Hey Jake.... Just wanna know if it's okay to use the Lawo mc²96 in a church setting... Just for audio
I love my brand new SQ6❤
I just bought a Midas M32 and connected to my PC running Pro Tools First. How do I setup my inputs and outputs so I can hear the music and start recording instrumentals and vocals?
I have a studio setting, where each track is recorded one at a time, not as a live setting, where you can record multiple tracks at a time.
On the M32, go to routing, card out, and then select all the 32 channels to go to your usb card. On pc, get the proper drivers and make sure you see Asio soundinterface. On Pro Tools, go to matrix page and link a few channels (or all32).
Do the same with the outputs.
I own Presonus (16.4.2 ai), Behringer (X32) and now The A&H SQ5. To me the A&H sounds the best. The others seem to change drastically when processed, especially the Behringer.
Also, you can see exactly what channel something is in on the SQ series by hitting the view button.
You read the title of the video correctly, right?
KLAUDIO P KLAUDIO P Yes I read the title correctly. Not that I owe you or anyone else an explanation for my comment or opinion: my point is having worked with Behringer as well as Presonus products, in my opinion Allen & Heath stands head & shoulders above both brands in sound quality.
@@gerardbarnes153 pears are being compared with apples and you are talking about the banana ..... it's ok 🤷🏻♂️
KLAUDIO P We got ourselves a behringer fanboy here ;)
@@Nixmix800 And what is the problem? I like the objectivity and Gerard Barnes's comment is not .... and yes ... I am a fan of one of the companies that democratized audio tools and allowed many to access a "complete tool" with all the features from a high-end console in turn changed the industry and forced others to play in that line "quality at low cost"
Si puedes escribir los nombres de los instrumentos donde están las luces verdes y rojas 🤦🏻♂️ ... SQ5 muy buena 👍🏻👍🏻
We just recently got the A&H Avantis...can you please make a video for it, there’s not many out there for it.
The official Allen and Heath youtube channel has enough content to teach you everything if you meant that.
Is it easy to get new parts for these boards? Like if a fader stops working or one of the knobs breaks. I would like to be able to service it myself like I currently do with other boards.
Im a sound engineer and work as the house engineer for a club in the bay are we get many famous band that have their traveling engineers with them. Most have either Maidas m32 or qs5 and I’m talking about major labor bands real famous people of course theirs some that have 15k up counsels but when it comes to the budget usually Allan and Heath is a favor
We just bought the SQ6! would never go back for our church!
My only time visiting a church with a WING and its software crashed 5 minutes before the event started. The X32 has crashed a few times on me. Not a fan of the Tribe software stability. how stable are the SQ’s?
I want the Allen and heath board with the touch screen of the wing.
The Avantis is your answer. As long as you’re willing to spend 9k.
Add a tablet/ipad and use the SQmixpad app for extra screen/s (up to two extra). A bracket stand for the back of the mixer is available. The wing screen does look good though.
My church that i go to is already permanent our Main Sanctuary is use the dlive class C's
So you where in IN and didn’t tell people would have loved to have a meet and greet. I love sweetwater
Agree- I also think Sweetwater is great (Aric Brenner is excellent). We don't purchase much (a small church with a small budget) but they always take time to help us and are there for follow-up. I also always find this CZcams channel to be very helpful. We own an X32 and were cautious about the Wing- seemed too complicated. This overview made me more comfortable and we may consider it in the future. Thanks!
4:07 looks to me like the wings touch screen has a ghost touch. lol
In this case it might be lord himself
Whats the best yamaha console for church
I think you would have explain more on both consoles
We have the SQ5 and DX168 at church, great upgrade from our old LS9. Easy to use and great sound. Some small things with the SQ5: 1. not able to change the order of processing, 2. not able to use more then one insert pr ch and no insert -> insert, 3. only the "touch and turn" knob is precis and feels good, 4. Wish it was 48 stereo input not 48 mono input. Great overall mix! Very happy with it!
LOL changing from LS 9 even an 01V96 sounds brilliant. ;)
48 Stereo Channels for < 3000$ That's a good one.
@@JasperSchwinghammer the beheringer wing does it
@@owenandkewell no, wing it doesen't RTFM man.
@@audiotom2010 01V96 @96kHz kills them all sonically (all the consoles discussed here). Tried it vs many consoles including some analog ones and this little oldie ate them for breakfast as far as sound quality is concerned. It sounded way better than CL5/RiO3224, Si Impact, A&H GL series, SQ-6, whole Behringer stuff, Mackie, Presonus Studiolive etc. Unfortunately it is way outdated now, but sound quality wise - I loved it. And yes, I hated its ergonomics ;o)
Question: Do you need a console within the Dante network. Could you route: Dante stage box -> DAW computer -> Dante Speakers?
If I'm not mistaken this will depend on the Stagebox. Some Stagebox like from Yamaha, Focusrite or any with independent preamp control thru software or on the hardware itself could make it work I think. IIRC Allen Heath Dante Stagebox do not support such preamp control but you can still tap it directly to DVS.
steakikan Thanks for the info. Dante is intriguing. I can imagine our sound booth needing only a DAW and control surface. Cool.
Our church is looking to upgrade from our Soundcraft Series TWO to a digital mixer, and I am falling in love with the WING. We have been looking at the X32 but then I saw your video from 9 months ago and tbh I really do not want the X32 anymore.
Just a question: wich one do you think is easier for people that know nothing about digital mixers to learn and to kinda fake it til you make it? The WING or the SQ5?
Just go for SQ5... you can’t go wrong
For simplicity, go SQ
I would def. go for the Wing. Much more possibilities in the future.
The wing is having ghosting screen and fader issues... I wouldn’t buy the wing at the moment... I wouldn’t buy an allen and grief either...(no it’s not a typo). Midas M32 is still where its at , at the moment.
Hm, I don't know what we gonna go with, its not up to me, yet, but I know that it wont be for like another year or so
@Churchfront You did not cover the SQ5/6/7 FPGA 96k critically important advantages for lowest combined signal path latency and for DAW recording it would also be sonically superior. Wing is locked in 48K. Also missing was SQ5 can rack today and Wing needs a very expensive $1000 Doghouse case. The headphone jack is on top of SQ5/6/7.
Drawbacks are only 1 option bay on SQ5 and WING will eventually have both and internal mini PCIe bay and external option Dante 64 Bay. The big cost difference is SQ5 must license the plugins for $1000 or so and WING includes all of them.
96KHz is highly overrated. I would say the effects and processing makes a far more difference. Both are very very good in this regard. The A&H footprint is smaller though which is more important in my book.
I use both boards regularly now and I lean towards the Wing for its features, user friendliness. Can use Dp48 in ear personal mixers, dual boards with dedicated pre’s in digital split snake setup with version 2.0. Great plugins like LA2A and auto tune… Midas pro pre’s , the list goes on. SQ can’t touch many of the features for this price point, User friendliness of Wing is another plus. User layers comparable, same number of channels, and Efx sound just generally better on the Wing.
Comparison starts at 5:20
Don't forget, the Behringer WING can mix 96 input channels of audio.. [48 channels of STEREO inputs], This means if you have a stereo piano or a stereo keyboard or stereo electronic drums. You can run each one of those on just 1 channel instead of taking up to channels to run the stereo Input
Not to mention the 16 outputs Are also stereo outputs. The same concept applies for them as well
Behringer need to make a stealth model of the Wing in all flat/matte black. And leave the logo flat black as well.
My church will be buying either an SQ6 or SQ7 within the next week or so. We were also going to get the DX 168. My question... Is there any advantage with the SQ7 over the SQ6 besides the added channels?? I think the 36 channel board will be fine...but will we miss out on any tech advantages that the SQ7 might have?
In almost every metric that matters, these are the same mixer. The three significant differences that I can see are 1) fader count (obviously), 2) number of assignable soft rotary knobs (SQ-6 has 4, whereas the SQ-7 has 8), and 3) 24 local INs on SQ-6 vs 32 local INs on SQ-7.
How has it been treating you. Our church is thinking about upgrading from analog to digital but I don’t want to just get a x32. I want to get Midas, wing or even Allen and heath(even though) it is pricey
Which is the best your opinion and y?
How do they compare as it comes to sound? I have heard that A&H have better preamps. What do you think?
DanailT Depends on what you use with the WING. It only has 8 preamps builtin
djazz How many preamps does the sq5 have?
@@DaniTanevOfficial In general, many local xlr inputs are not often used. For that reason the Wing has 8 Pres and 8 line level inputs on the back. Assuming that almost everyone has / purchases a stage box.
Regarding sound quality of the preamps. My preference will be the Midas Pro series (DL16/32 or better DL153/251). Even when the SQ is 96khz. The difference will not be audible.. Especially live.
@@MGort-bb8op Note that Midas and Behringer Preamps come out of the very same factory in China. Music Tribe has bought pretty much everything from Midas over Behringer to TC Electronic. Well pretty much everything that is not owned by Hamann (Soundcraft, Lexicon, dbx, Studer, etc) - so "Midas preamps", what does it mean in the end? Soundcraft put the dbx label on everything these days, even their UI series, which they bought and didn't really develop themselves. Allen&Heath are owned by Electra Private Equity, perhaps these at least don't mess into their product design decisions. :-D
@@DrNIx123 A&H are actually owned by Audiotonix, the same company which owns DiGiCo, SSL, Calrec, and KLANG
Does anybody know if you can record with the Sq5?
Which of this two support pro tools for multi recording. Thank you and God bless
Both can be connected by usb to a daw.
Sq 32 channels
Wing 48 channels
With that said, the Wing has a user interface that is designed to really complement a DAW. It even includes a jog wheel and can be set up to work as a Mackie MCU (or HUI) for Logic, Cubase, ProTools, Studio One, Reaper, etc, to include LED labeling all of the appropriate buttons and knobs that correspond to the various DAWs. In addition, you can use up to all 24 faders to control your DAW automation. Very cool that that is built into the box.
Compare between m32 and Wing
Hi,
Can you control the Behringer Wing with the Ipod ?
ipad yes, probably not a ipod
People still use ipods?
I hope they add Daunte to WING 😇
Dante is in the line!
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Digital mixers at church?
I will just say from personal experience, volunteers seem to pick the SQ series consoles up much faster. As well as I think they sound a bit nicer, especially when you have a lot of processing going on.
I saw some SQ‘s quitting the their job under heavy processing.
audiotom2010
What do u mean?
I believe, on all the SQ series, press and hold the layer button. The input location/plug-in will then display on the scribble strip. Releasing the layer button reverts back to the name of the input. For portable churches, the SQ-5 has wings to make it rack mount on a rolling dolly cart. SQ series are definitely more expandable than Behringer, by far.
No, it's the "View" Button next to the scribble strips...press once to see the Input No. and twice to see the socket, where the signal comes from. Easy.
@@Gauseltown Thank you for the correction!
Where's wing compact version
I was hoping to hear more about preamp quality
A couple of key highlights are missing that will greatly impact churches. While both are 48 channel consoles, the WING is only available in one configuration (as shown) with 8 XLR inputs (preamps). The SQ 5, 6, & 7 offer 16, 24, and 32 onboard preamps (XLR inputs) respectively. This is a big plus for churches that have existing analog wiring and don’t need a stage box. Also the WING is a 48kHz console. It will work with 96kHz stage boxes and such but the console is 48kHz. The SQ series is 96kHz. If stage boxes are needed, the SQ line will work with 48kHz stage boxes that work with the QU line and will also work with the 96kHz stage boxes that go up through the D-Live series.
People cannot hear difference between 48/96khz. Certainly not live..
The Wing has 8 Pro preamps inside. the difference with the x32 preamps is big. when you connect a dl16 / 32/153/251, the difference in preamps between Wing and SQ is fixed. Myself, I prefer Midas Pro preamps than 96khz dlive. (If you buy the DX series stage box from allen & heath which are relatively expensive.)
@@MGort-bb8op I thought DX168 is about the same price as DL16? Pre-amp wise I would give point to Midas but the soft limiter on Allen Heath is not bad, at least compared to Yamaha's. 96khz is nice on IEMs tho, but more importantly the 0.7ms round trip latency exclude FX on SQ is very nice on IEMs setup.
My only gripe right now with Wing is that the documentation is basically nil plus no desktop editor. Both I usually use to know the mixer inside out before purchase.
My only gripe with SQ is the fact that you have to purchase additional FX/ Deep/ whatever and you can't transfer that license. Come on AH, you can do better than that. Actually scrape that, they did the same shit on Avantis.
steakikan Do you think there is one who can imagine a difference between the 0.7ms of the SQ and the 1.0ms of a wing?
M. Gort you are correct that in a live setting it is nearly impossible to hear the difference in 48/96kHz. Though you can hear a difference with stereo IEM mixes, especially in the panning space between left and right. It is a difference between the consoles and something worth mentioning. Both the Wing and the SQ line are great consoles for houses of worship but the SQ having frame sizes with enough local inputs to not need a stage box is nice for venues with existing analog lines. If you do need a stage box, the DX168 is in the same range as the DL Midas series. If you jump to the D-Live stage boxes you will be more in the Midas Pro series stage boxes.
Agree about the physical connections - If I buy a 48 channel desk I want connectors :-) .. I guess the expectation is that you will use a digital stagebox these days, but if you are upgrading form analog and already have the infrastructure to get all your signals from stage to mixer, the stage boxes are a big additional cost.
sq5 vs studiolive sc which do you prefer?
studiolive is shit
I bought a Wing at the start of the year, functionally it is awesome, sound quality not so good. If they are the exact same as the Midas pro preamps, I wouldn't buy a Midas either.
The Yamaha has way more detailed low end, so does my Roland M200i.
I sold the wing within a month of purchase. awesome what you can top with it, but my opinion is, the better the original sound you get in through the preamps, through good preamps your always going to get a far better mix.
The preamps on the wing where so clean and clinical, and the imaging was huge, but it was just unrealistic to my ears and lost the depth I am used to while mixing.
Don't get me wrong, its an amazing desk all the same, but personally I can get way better quality with 1 eq and 1 compressor when the preamps are amazing than I can with tons of eps and compressor when the preamps are bad.
My 2 cents.
Super helpful 🙏🏾
Seeing as the Wing has next to no inputs on the board, the Stage Box that you used to make this comparison is very important. Which stage box are you comparing it to? S32 or DL32?
Where do you currently stand on the Presonus StudioLive 64s?
meh...no Dante compatibility and AVB is pretty much useless.
I was about to ask same question about StudioLive by PreSonus? They have good integration Stageboxes, monitor mixers and rack gear
@@deiwar2994 dante equipment and training is so easy to find that it's hard to justify AVB over Dante especially for what I like to call the semi professional environment of a church
Our church purchased a StudioLive Series 3 mixer with the stage box(x2 NSBs) before and was a nightmare. It's has a friendly workflow and is user friendly especially for some of the volunteers that are new to mixing. It's cons are the scribble strips & LEDs are prone to discoloration, the faders lag and have calibration issues. The RTAs on EQs also lag behind realtime. There are a decent number of effects, but they aren't amazing. The preamps leave a lot to be desired. You will have to buy additional components (brackets to mount the stage boxes in a rack). The app (Q-Mix)for musicians in-ear monitor mixes would lock up & become unresponsive. I would never go back to Presonus again (aside from studio monitors). We went with a M32 and everything is back to normal.
We have a presonus studio live and are replacing it with a sq5 setup and IEMs. Nothing but issues with the presonus
Are these good for ungodly and sinful things like dance music?
Of course! I would go A&H myself though.
😂😂😂
Without dante availability in the Wing, the answer is unfortunately clear that the SQ-5 is a better console for me today.
But we also all know that’s coming. Most churches aren’t using Dante, but it’s certainly an awesome solution for many problems.
the wing: innovation or overcomplication?
Midas m32r or A&H SQ5 which sound better and the built quality?
SQ
Close enough that makes no difference, my personal preference is with the M32
M32
this is an easy comparison if you take bare desks - SQ wins in all aspects. BUT if you install Dante expansion card to M32 and let it be master clock for the console - then the situation reverses, M32 starts sounding really decent. Try it!
Thank you so much for not making your facial expression in the video tile look like this (😳+😧)!
your voice is sooo heavily compresst, that it hurts...
How come you leave out the option for waves soundgrid over Dante?
is this now getting paid by sweetwater? come on man
Does anyone know if there will be a Midas version of the Wing like X32/M32? I’d be interested in a more compact version of the wing with higher quality faders.
I would love to see a smaller wing. Espacially with high quality faders and less wheight. But I'm afraid it's not going to happen. Midas will release their HD96 Air, a midas wing would be a hard competitor for the HD96 Air.
Maybe Behringer is going to scale it down. I just wonder when this is going to happen. The X32 was released in 2011, the compact followed in 2013. But now there is the fucking pandemic, that might delay new hardware releases. We'll have to wait.
Looked like a sweetwater video. Oh! Nevermind...
subscribed! sorry late
Always promoting them to people
Behringer Wing vs Midas M32? ;)
Everybody is collaborating with Sweetwater these days
Sweetwater knows how to market themselves ;)
My old church bought the Wing instead of my recommended SQ. They had nothing but issues in the setup. Then, the Wing actually broke... twice. so, they were without a real mixer for 4 months while Behringer tried to get their act together. I would never ever ever suggest anyone drop the money for a Wing when the Sound Quality is far superior with an SQ and an SQ does not have a proprietary ecosystem.
Ironically we have same issue except its with A/H first the GX had issues now we have SQ7 thats collecting dust waiting on a chip needed for repairs 🤦🏿♂️ when it was working it was wonderful!!
I bought the SQ5, and I found the invisible tracks and routing a major obstacle to using it at all...
SQ all the way. It is 96k, that pretty much settles it.
I have mixed on the QU and the Wing, the QU sounds better. The Avantis is mind blowing. So if the 96k of SQ is half of what the Avantis is, the SQ is the ONLY logical solution. A lot of people have AES50 consoles, you can sell all your AES50 and P16 devices to them to pay for changing to A&H. 96k BABY!!!!!!!!
Definitely WING
Like #1000
3 stereo matrices vs 8 stereo matrices
How about Yamaha tf5
1000 veces allen and heath