The Expanse Season 4 Episode 6 'Displacement' REACTION!!
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- The Roci crew prepares for an incoming disaster on Ilus as Drummer and Ashford close in on an enemy within the Belt and Bobbie takes on a dangerous job. Here's our reaction to season 4, episode 6 of The Expanse.
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Well that was a fun discussion to kick off this reaction!!
"I let you think we're on the same team." Had me rolling, and it just got better from there :D
Nikki's instinctively correct; although, her defense for her feelings aren't fully fleshed out.
Whether the Belters/settlers killed the RCE members or not, Murtry was there to brutalize them off the planet. Them striking first made it easier for Murtry to begin that brutalization.
Just because one can understand the motivation of a security chief who isn't a psychopath (genuinely loves killing) doesn't mean one should be in accord with a man like Murtry. His actions are illegal.
@@eme.261 I agree with your assessment of Murtry. But I really think you off about some of the motives before the landing pad being destroyed. And it feels like you are downplaying the fact "some" of the Belters wanted to kill innocent people.
@@jamesholland5761 Don't you get it. Em E and the belters have telepathy. They used their powers before the ship landed and "saw" that Murty was a very bad guy. It was only after obtaining that knowledge they decided to commit mass murder. So it's fine. Totally fine.
:-)
@@charlesadlam Yeah!, the earthers have been nothing but accomodating to belters through out the series!, they may have killed half of their population by releasing the protomolecule on eros just to see what would happen, or started a war over ganymede that killed over 3000 belters and left around half a million to starve, and that's on top of over a hundred years of systematic abuse and implied slavery... But sure!, the belters have nothing to fear when earth comes knocking to the planet, noooooooothing to fear at all :3
Steven: "What can the planet do next"
ILus lets out an evil laugh in the background
The Ashford scene was a nice call back of sort's when he told Drummer he sang "Captain Kidd" to his daughter and also showing the totality of his burn's and what he told Diogo when he said Ashford should be in charge,
"Yeah, that's true. And I've drunk real Earth whiskey out of a UN Admiral's mug and then scuttled her ship. I flew dark past a Martian battle group, and they never even knew I was there. And I've seen friends breathe the vacuum, and watched my only child burn. So when I tell you to tread carefully, you would do well to stop talking"
From all of that I take it that she followed in her father's footstep's and became a pirate with him and he lost her in the fire that he probably wish's had taken him too.
Given his age in the video, my takeaway was that she may well have still been a baby when she died.
Nikki's facial expressions are priceless during these reactions...Just wanna scream "Breathe Nikki Breathe"
To be fair it can be pretty hard to breathe correctly during this show. I think I almost passed out from holding my breathe in the mid episodes of season 3...
I swear that if Steve does the "chaos ladder" in the next episode that Nikki is going to smack him upside the head. However I feel it's time for a "Toss a Coin to your Witcher" sing along. 😁
@watashi Same. 😊 Nikki reminds me of my wife but my wife would probably whap me up side the head the first time I did it. 😁
@@shawnsouthwell9271 Good things will only come with some growing pains =)
The problem with Murtry is that he's just enjoying the whole thing too much. No, he doesn't giggle about it, but he's just so READY to continue the violence and win.
"Nobody really ever has the intention of dying." - Well, except Miller, and look how that worked out for him.
if you remember (in the first episode of this season), just as the UN shuttle was beginning the landing on ilus, murtry was talking to his team about how he'd gotten rid of belters who'd squatted on another planet and had mined ... platinum? because earth held the charter. which means, of course, that earth (or its corporate structure) had already divvied up all the gate properties and bestowed titles for them to its corporate bodies. murtry's first priority was to get rid of the belters. the fact that the colony which was already there had tried to sabotage his efforts at the get-go just gave him as excuse to go about that task a little more savagely.
The Expanse kills relationship. More news at 10.
Edit: Steven mentions Marco playing an interesting "Game" which is funny since the next book is Nemesis Games
yeah they think this season is crazy... wait till the next one comes out. (no spoilers)
This planet is the 2020 of planets -_-
Just a side note, the belters cannot keep going to planet to planet, every planet is different, a belter is lucky to survive the adjustments the first time, it changes every time.
@@Troyxsoldier Because they already settled on that planet. It's more like Inners keep following them around and removing their settlements
Gravity is gravity. They could adapt well enough to one that is similar in gravity. Though that said by the time they get there, they would loose some of their acclimation in the journey.
Out of all the reactors I've seen watch this show, I've never seen anyone defend as hard, or ignore the amoral murderousness of Murtry, as Steven does across these episodes. Even those who understand and even sympathize with his position can easily see how brutally heavy-handed and overly aggressive his tactics have been to this point. Steven gets into these tunnel vision ideas at least once every six episodes or so!
This whole season feels like a panic attack that just keeps ramping up that you don't think you'll ever get to come down from.
Holden didn't trigger anything. The Investigator is the one who is "flipping switches."
True true. That said Holden certainly enabled The Investigator.
@@scottwatrous All that Holden did was to cut away one root. Everything else was a result of an algorithm with no regard for what effect it might have on anyone or anything on the surface or in orbit.
@@LeeCarlson well, the way i take it, he was also the "ride". As far as the settlers and RCE are concerned, Holden brought "it" and unleashed it on them. If the Roci never came they would almost certainly not have had many of the problems they did, at least with the planet which would have stayed mostly dead. Instead, Murtry would just have had his way more or less.
So Holden didn't trigger anything in the code, so to say; but he essentially is the one who, knowingly, brought a virus there that explicitly told him it planned to execute something... Without saying what.
This was the first Nikki & Steven reaction video that I ever watched, about a week ago. I went back to S01E01 and binged all of their content. So glad that I am caught up and can now be part of the discussion! One of the things I love about Bobbi's current storyline is that it's not only pulling from the novels, but a novella called "Gods of Risk". It's neat that they are exposing fans to part of the story canon that they might otherwise not know about.
Guys, I hate to say it, but you've completely missed a huge point. Murtry and the scientists were sent by a corporation who obtained a UN charter for exploitation of the planet's resources AFTER the belters landed there (remember the Belter ship that defied the blockade? That was them, and this is 8 months later after there had been no communication from the Belter colonists.) This is basically a land dispute. Nikki is right; Murtry''s expedition's objective was to secure the planet for that UN Corporation's benefit!!!!
To keep peace in house, wife is always right. :)
Especially when she's actually right! 👍
"What can the planet do next?" Planet - "Hold my beer."
About the settlement: The Belters established it with what resemble repurposed cargo containers, very much as they are wont to do. Not too different from what they did to make breaching pods when Tycho launched its attack on Thoth Station. The Ilus settlers used the containers as superstructures, even stacking some, and built facilities inside them.
The Earther (RCE) excursion team set up their own facilities with pre-designed settlement structures (called pods). These are the white, boxy structures and geodesic domes, which are built on legged platforms.
The RCE pods and domes sit separately and across from the Belter crates. This is very much one settlement on two sides of the tracks.
50 exojoules = 12 million megatons, or approximately a thousand million times as powerful as the bomb that destroyed Hiroshima.
And there's a lot of those reactors on that planet. How much energy did the builders need?!
there's a word for "a thousand million" .. starts with a B
@@thontor There's an American word for a thousand million, I'm not American.
Steve Hunter it goes thousand, million, billion, trillion, etc. Each have 3 more zeroes than the last. That is how it works everywhere. If you say thousand million and use billion for anything else you are just wrong.
@@brilobox2 No, there's lot of languages where billion means "million million" and trillion means "million billion".
It's called long count and short count.
If you think about it, the word "UNIVERSITY" has a whole lot of depth and layers in this setting:)
From the books and in a statement in the first couple of episodes of Season 4 the RCE
Corporation has the official charter to explore and extract any resources on New Terra (UN given name). The Belters forced entry through the rings and landed "illegally" on the planet (they refer to it as Ilus). That's the issue that Murtry and RCE (Royal Charter Energy) are having. The Belters are squatters according to them and are illegally extracting their chartered resources.
Yep, Murtry and that security team (part of the bigger team) was sent there to get the "squatters" out. The Belter colonists definitely would have been forced to leave.. one way or another.
There is enough material in the books for how many seasons?
What lawful entity existed that the Belters were a part of that had any say in the matter? Who decided that Ilus/New Terra has a legality to begin with?
No laws on Ilus. Just guys with guns.
@@zachgaskins3731 kinda like the wild west!
@@miguelribeiro7202 - Eight books have already been published, and the ninth and last one will be published next year. They supposedly have material for 9 seasons of the TV show, but the producers could handle the remaining material differently.
So if the original RCE captain was never killed in the initial crash, even if that attack still happened, I feel like things would have gone entirely differently. Murtry clearly has no patience or respect for any Belters, and while he could easily have chosen many ways to calm the situation by working with Holden and the Belter leadership (As I would like to believe the RCE Captain would have) Murtry is not really leadership material and has no sense of diplomacy. He's a Sheriff at best, mall cop with a gun at worst.
Murtry isn't a soldier. He's literally working for a mining company.
On Earth, in the real world, when the volcano Krakatoa exploded, the shock wave was measurable on the other side of the planet. They measured the pressure wave circle the globe 4 times! :O
3:33 Because that's where the lithium is. RCE was there for the lithium
Murtry isn't looking down on belters because they killed a bunch of his soldiers, he looks down on them because they are belters, the belters throwing the first rock is meaningless, he would have antagonized, threatened and even killed the belters regardless, the belters just made it easy for him by giving him an excuse, hell, it is likely that it would have gone much worse for the belters with that extra firepower.
@M 40 You live in a first world country I assume?
@@Glisern Judging by his actions later on, it is pretty clear who murtry is and what he stands for, and I don't consider people from a mining corporation that heads down to a colonized planet to remove their inhabitants to be "innocent", that was the mission, that's why the edward israel was there, any scientific endeavors on illus were merely an excuse to remove the belters and take anything they have mined, they weren't innocent, they were there to take the planet and its resources.
@M 40 That is the most first world response I have ever gotten to that question... Like... Bruh... As someone who actually lives in a third world country with vast resources, nah son, not even your slums are that bad.
What all of you fail to understand is the position of belters, their oppression is not a consequence of their criminal actions, their criminal actions is a consquence of their oppression, they are necessary work force to ensure that 2 planets get the resources they need to function, and if that work force is suddenly educated, has adequate living conditions and is well organized, then suddenly it is very hard to just force them to work for pennies or food, and a disorganized, poor and starving group of humans will do what they must to survive, that's why the poor areas of any country are filled to the brim with crime and that's why the countries that have raw materials are corrupt shitholes that barely function or don't function at all.
The belt is just another africa, another colombia, another iraq, and you want them to act peaceful?, not only that, but let's recount the events that have driven the belters to illus, jules pierre mao launches this protomolecule project, tests it on eros and kills a significant portion of the population of the belt (the dialogue implies that half of the population of the belt got wiped out in the eros incident, HALF, 50 PERCENT) so he could see what happens, then mars and earth duke it out over ganymede, killing over 3000 people on the ground and leaving almost half a million people to starve because of their recklessness (ganymede was literally the pantry of the belt, their main food supply), and now they find a planet that is pretty much made out of lithium, and the earth sends a ship to take their lithium and their planet, and you expect them to act civilized?
The only reason I disapprove of their actions is because they weren't effective enough and that gave murtry a valid reason to start icing fools left and right, but you are out of your mind if you think that they are not justified, or that they are the bad guys here, they aren't, and the belt won't be the bad guys until they commit a crime as horrifying as what happened on eros.
Wow, I guess we all should just say ok, I personally didn't have anything to do with you or your quality of life being bad so I should be thankful that you killed 20 people in my group. ....this is getting stupid!
@M 40 A yes, colombia, the most socialist of countries, so much so that we kill any one that is too leftie here!, such socialism... Africa?, man, so many communists there!, like Angola and... Angola... And who could forget Iraq?, that sadam hussein really made stalin look like reagan!, yeah... Oh... Wait, iraq isn't communist, never has been and probably never will be?... colombia is the biggest ally of the US against venezuela and it is very much a right wing country?... there are only like, 3 countries under a communist regime in this world (cuba, venezuela, north korea)?, the EU is socialist and has a better quality of life than the US?!... Oh... I'm starting to think that what you just said is complete utter fucking bullshit... I'm not sure though...
This reaction series has been so damn good. Great fan discussion and insight.
Steven, if the government of Burkina Faso sold mining rights to your house to a corporation along with the rights to any money you have earned since moving into that house and that corporation sent a band of armed men to seize said house and money... Would that be fine because those people are working security and they brought along a geologist to prospect your house for valuable minerals once you're gone?
First of all, no one owns the land the belters are on based on everything I know to this point. No one had claim to it... Belters were first and took it. That said, how would I have any clue about intent if I didn’t find out what’s happening first? I can tell you I wouldn’t blow them up for pulling into my dive way. If they entered my front door and put my family in danger, different situation. Murtry and company just pulled into their driveway and was blown up based on assumptions.
First off the belters were there illegally, it does suck that they basically have the least claim to the new planets as compared to mars and earth but it doesn't change the fact and law, that was their first offence and then they decided to execute 23 innocent people, all bets are off at that point especially when they drew first blood.
@@NikkiStevenReact It's more complicated than that. RCE (the company Murtry's working for) actually DO have a valid legal charter to research and mine on the planet, ensued by the governments of Earth and Mars (as seen in Season 4, Episode 1). OPA wasn't asked, but then OPA is working with Earth and Mars to ensure the blockade on the Ring. So these Belters out of desperation, run a military blockade and settled abusively on a planet who was already claimed by the two major governments of the system with the blessing of the OPA.
In today's term is like if refugees decided to settle onto a piece of land in Antarctica that was claimed by a coalition of governments. What gives these governments the right to claim something? What has always given the right to anybody to claim anything: the use of violence. The same thing that European kingdoms did when they invaded America. What gave them the right to claim it? They had more and bigger guns then the poor natives. And so they did. Despite all our modern fancy stuff, that's just the human nature and history in a nutshell: the monkey (or the Government) with the biggest stick gets to claim stuff. If you want stuff for yourself you have to defend it with your own stick or prepare for a beating.
It's not really stated but the planet is basically malfunctioning all over the place.
Miller is just flipping switches and not everything is in tip top shape like with the spire where Holden had to remove a root.
Murtry is RCE's version of George Armstrong Custer. You know, attacking Sioux villages to kill women and children while the warriors were gone.
"Protecting" people does NOT require pre-emptive, cold-blooded homicide. Unless you are the United States Cavalry taking land away from the nomadic tribes living on it.
"This is getting really intense" - Steven, during every episode :p
The problem with Murtry is that the show turned him into a one dimensional cartoon villain. The way it plays out in the book is MUCH different. Like he didn't just shoot a guy in the head for making a threat, which is not justifiable on any planet. That particular act was 100% in the wrong. In the book, after the shuttle incident, a couple guards don't show up for work, and are found stabbed to death in their bunks. So the belters drew confirmed first blood, not Murtry. At that point the man was in space vietnam. His crew was vastly outnumbered and terrified at that point, which is when he goes into war mode.
I'm completely baffled as to why they would take book Ashford, who was a one-dimensional and unpopular character in the books, and turn him into a fantastic show character, but then take Murtry who was nuanced in the books and turn him into a one-dimensional villain of the season on the show.
What I don't understand about all if it is.... Ashford changes very much for the good. Murty changes for the bad. Why couldn't they have done both. They didn't really need to cartoon up Murty... I guess they felt t they needed a clear antagonist. I would argue the lack of a pure bad guy in the Space Cowboy expanse book was part of its charm. It was The Expanse Unforgiven mode... where like the Eastwood classic, the good guys where grey, the bad guys where grey, and in the end. The morality story plays out... via characters that are not themselves specifically moral or immoral. Just a big mess of grey, but the plot and its resolution was a moral tale, not the characters arcs themselves.
Anyway just wish they had improved Ashford and if they where going to make Murty a more clear cut villain at least they could have been a little lighter on the mustache twirling.
@@chaddesrosiers1107 I think *because* all the prior villains have been understandable and more nuanced they wanted to try something a little more black and white before going into season 5 where it all becomes a mess and you wont be able to take a breath and be confident about 'the good guys' for a while.
@@Rob-rr4yp Good point. lol
@@chaddesrosiers1107 Talked to people about this issue several times. Sad part is that a lot don't get that this book wanted to present frontier justice compared to civilized justice. And even this black and white Murtry doesn't sell that point for them in the series. Most complain about this all being out-of-character actions by the cast. But that is missing what the book/season wanted to make as a point - vainness of frontier justice.
@@TMaekler as a sucker for a good western this was one of my fav parts of the expanse books and show. I guess a lot of people in regards to the show especially do not expect the change in theme and tone. To me this season was the expanse unforgiven. Holden has had his dark past.. Amos is the no nonsense sen it all grey good. Murtry is the wild bill... He is the law in an not quite right way and he has a past that put him where he was... On another frontier. Imho the authors where clearly big fans of that type of westwen.... And probably that specific one. Its a big change from the hard sci fi of what leads up. Guess its hard for most to switch gears. Lol
This is one show that definitely can conjure up a host of discussions!! Which is a good thing, it gets people talking!! (Without name calling would be nice)!
The book explains the idea differently.
The RCE scientists were concerned with the belters just settling because of the ecosystem and things like bacteria or viruses we don’t have immunity to.
The original plan was to build self contained domes and learn about the planet. The belters subverted that.
That was the concern of the scientists like Elvi, not so much Murty and his security crew. They were in it for pure profit. They were there for the lithium
RCE is an energy company that colonizes places in order to extract the resources, hence why they picked a planet rich in Lithium. It has happened to the belters over and over for more than 100 years at this point. They colonize somewhere that neither Earth nor Mars truly has a legal claim to and then Earth or Mars proclaims that they actually have authority over it, send in corporations to take over and extract all the wealth, either kicking out the belters or turning them into a cheap and often mistreated labor force in the process. It's similar to what has happened to many African nations for the last few hundred years as they were/are exploited by colonial powers. This season arc in particular also is meant to mirror westward expansion and the idea of manifest destiny in North America after European colonization according to the showrunners.
@@davebcf1231 Someone else gets it!
To be fair, Murtry wasn't supposed to be Mission Leader. He took control after The Mission Leader was killed in that first shuttle destruction. The guy who was supposed to be in charge probably would be more diplomatic in handling the Belters.
27:44 While they are 50-100 feet underwater, they will be safe enough. The water pressing that metal plate will keep it closed. The issue is will the plate be strong enough not to bend and later how much mud/debris blocks it .
Okay. Yes you're meant to see that the situation on Illus is not black and white and both sides have their reasonings and understandable motivs.
That doesn't mean you're meant to side with the one dude in this who's just using the situation to execute his psychopathic violent urges... It's bis job as head of security to keep his people safe - it's not his job to execute everyone who looks at him the wrong way to create a reign of fear.
Morty isn't a grey character he's a blatant antagonist
I agree with what you mean in this case but in general a grey character and a antagonist aren't mutually exclusive.
Antagonists can be just as grey as protagonists.
I cannot believe he's still defending McMurtry. The guy shot an unarmed man in the face. That's not defending anyone. If he suspected him of being a terrorist, or that he threatened him, he could have arrested him and held him for questioning. He just flat out murdered him, because like Amos said, he's a killer. He enjoys killing, and he was going to find some way to do it even if they landed safely. As Nikki pointed out, they could have landed anywhere on the planet to perform scientific tests for safety. Instead they went right to the Belter settlement, because they wanted to stop their lithium mining and McMurtry wanted to murder. He's not a defensible character.
So blindly murdering 20+ people based off history and assumptions is ok? Noted. And for the record defending and understanding are two very different things.
@@NikkiStevenReact He could have arrested him. He was not an immediate threat at the time, as he was unarmed. It was just murder, not justice, and two wrongs don't make a right.
so you’re going to continue to ignore first act of war by them exploding a ship full of innocent scientists? Cool!
@@NikkiStevenReact Why are you so aggressive in your reply to people who disagree with you? That person is not saying the Belters who attacked aren't wrong, they're saying that shooting a man in the face without any proof and without trial, is wrong. Are you saying that Murtry is allowed to pretty much shoot any of the Belters in the colony just because they share the same "nationality" (for lack of better word) as the attackers? Like, the vast majority of the settlement was not aware that some of them were planning an attack, the show made that pretty clear.
Its not just Holden cutting the root, its proto-Miller turning things on trying to find out what happened
28:30 Nikki is right. There will be 1.300 seasons of Holden investigating and fixing protomolecule worlds. Get some popcorn.
finally the scene with Klas Ashford and the baby. This is why Klas Ashford is my favorite character at this point. His motivations are laid bare right here. He's said it before that we are all here to make the world a better place for our children.
also....
Really? I mean come on! Seriously!
That last paragraph is a spoiler. His fate is unknown at this point in the season.
@@AngeloBarovierSD yeah kinda realised after. my bad. consider me disciplined thouroughly.
@@philmarston9078 LOL. All good, beratna! We all make mistakes. It's what we do after that matters.
It's somewhat interesting how the Ashford in the books and in the series are so different. Not going to spoil anything but there's much more sympathy for him in the series.
Some context without giving anything away. Book 4 takes place 100% on illus. The Chrisjen, Bobbie, and Drummer storylines are from Bobbies novella, epilogue of book 4 and beginning of book 5. They are all B storylines this season but will be the A storyline in season 5. Steven is right, they are planting seeds for next season.
As I see the situation the housecat snuck into the pantry and found a sausage. The guarddog of the pantry went after the cat and tries to take it for himself. None of them are in the right, but the guarddog is doublely wrong.
Plus Morty acts like he is authority instead of being a guest or an equal partner and polices the colonists in their own territory, and doing it badly and with malice.
Ok, so I'm going to disagree Steve about Murty's initial plans for the expedition. Sure, yes I too can see the logic within his actions and yes the Belters played dirty first; absolutely. But you are EQUALLY dealing with a man who clearly said coming down on the shuttle about a previous assignment how a peaceful negotiation with Belters is not how he hoped the mission would go. Like Elvi he has ingrained prejudice towards Belters. One does have to wonder if the actual man charged with security would have handled things. He was the last man on the Command alive and he is because a Belter saved his life by blowing the pad early or they all would have died. The belatedly irony. Everyone is being motivated by fear to do extreme actions based on their very recently painful past especially the Belters; Murtry is being motivated by something else. Remember, he's jamming coms back to his OWN company so he is not even acting for RCE which is why dead RCE and logic aside Nikki is right; he's under or acting in no authority but his own unaware by even his own.
Steve I think you also keep forgetting why the Belters are being so stubborn. Mind you these are Ganaymede refugees the place where Inners made their children lab rats and that’s after Eros which everyone is so afraid of including Earth but not because Belters dies or experienced genocide but because it caused the asteroid to threaten them. Mind you their shady governments were behind both incidents in their continuous cockfight over who’s the boss of space with Belters being slaves to resources. Then after their actions displaced them they traveled almost a year without Earth or Mars offering them safe passage to land or help. That kind of desperation to reach this place. They already put their lives at risk to die for this dream of it means continuing to die on the rock so be it. That is absolutely logical. SOME Belters were wrong and took inappropriate action but he didn’t allow that government ( because he doesn’t respect it) to take action or correlate with the ambassador to investigate and find the responsible parties. He said either I have the people by tomorrow or I kill you all with the flimsiest of evidence he “supposedly found” without any Belters or Belter rep present to verify the find. Then he’s promptly the one killing. HE heard the plan; he could have ARRESTED them that’s what the civilization he represents is supposed to do which is why Holden has an issue with him. He also didn’t share said evidence with the Belter community because he doesn’t acknowledge nor did he trust them to handle their own inner conflict and by the argument with Felsia’s parents there would have been shame for their actions and maybe even punishment such as allowing them to be transported off planet.
Point is it doesn’t matter who struck first or how much you can see where the other side was coming from the right and the wrong must be punished by someone like Holden who holds to account what can be accounted for directly. We are often seeing more than the characters and although Holden comprehends Murtys reasoning he also knows it’s wrong and so does Murtry which is why he gets giddy every time the Belters react instead of just leave ( mind you he already had another shuttle rigged as a bomb so clearly he had plans to make sure the Belters don’t get that ore) cause that means his dick can get hard as Amos state’s clearly by killing the people he’s always seen as filth
I don't normally comment, but I'm three minutes into this video and screaming "DUDE! This is displacing a native population 101: You send in someone with a lot of guns to pick a fight." In this case "Native" meaning the people who were there first, not like aliens from that planet.
This planet turned into a freakin roach motel... you check in but you don't checkout!
Murtry is a lunatic!
The red glowing melting moon is really eerie to visualize. Billion year old machinery doesn't just turn on without some issues.
this show is so well written
You're wrong on this one, Steven. That security force is akin to a foreign invasion taking already claimed land. The Belters built that colony for themselves, not for a bunch of tough guys from Earth to come take over. They have every right to defend themselves from foreign invasion. On top of that, not all of them were in on the plot to blow up the launch pad. How were the ones not part of that supposed to react when some guy from Earth shows up and just starts shooting people for no given reason?
Yes. Let's remember that the Belters arrived in a combat-crippled ship and built their landing pad from scrap. The RCE certainly had resources to land elsewhere (in fact, they have since been ferrying equipment from the Edward Israel in shuttles that are indeed landing elsewhere). They chose to land on the Belter's pad (without permission) precisely because they were taking control of the Belter's camp and assets.
@@kirkdarling4120 The pad is actually not a Belter pad. It was commissioned by the RCE and built by the settlers. The RCE couldn't land Heavy Transports without it. The stuff they were ferrying down at the time of the explosion were crew, habitats, research equipment and provisions.
Right and wrong is subjective so nope, I’m not. Just so we are in the same page, we can murder people based on assumptions? Got it. That ship could have been fill with kids interested in seeing a new planet. You can’t excuse murder because you know the outcome and the players involved. No given reason? 20+ of his people were murdered!!!!!!! And then he was threatened that more would die. Then they planed an ambush. Then took hostages. If the belters can make up the rules and stake claim, how can there be any order ever?
@@NikkiStevenReact The belters are following Earth's example. Earth claimed rights to the belt's resources, because it held the original settlements. But the moment a belter ship is the first to land on new territory, that no longer applies. And the settlers were all aware it was a mining ship, not a school outing. Not that it makes it ok to blow them up, but the mining company is very much trying to provoke the settlers. This was the same tactic used by European colonists on Native Americans.
@@shawnsouthwell9271 No. According to the information in the show, the Ganymede refugees were the first humans to Ilus, they discovered the lithium, and had begun the initial reports ever from Ilus. The Edward Israel was the second contact and it was their first shuttle launch that was destroyed while landing on the Belters' pad. There were no previous "settlers" in the show.
I first saw the guy who played Murtry on Torchwood a show that is a spin off of Doctor Who the worlds of Scifi collide but the actual man is a really nice guy.
The “moons” around the planet are a clue as to why the shuttle was evaporated.
Huh?
They literally said the structure has been there for a billion years and should protect them.
Totally going to believe a group of people with zero knowledge of this structure on a planet that’s trying to destroy them.
Murtry isn’t a soldier. He is corporate security. Yes, soldiers will hate and resent their enemies. That is unavoidable and expected. But, soldiers are professionals, not corporate mercs. Soldiers resist the urge toward vengeance, because vengeance isn’t a mission. Support and defend the constitution is the mission.
In the books Murtry's team have come from the outset to enforce a UN/RCE charter.
Basically their mission was to kick the belters off the planet from the outset.
Although both sides do overreact nevertheless!
I think what nikki is trying to say is that there are a further 1000+ systems to go to why muscle in on the one system the belters claimed again it balls down to earth and Mars looking at the stars and thinking mine.. they claim to have a treaty and then go to the one systems the belters are on???? Fun conversation though both sides are right belters drew first blood still! Haha
Said like a true belter.....huh
For that matter, they could have landed on the other side of the planet and would have certainly sucked up the lithium at a far greater rate than the Belters could.
You keep calling Murtry a soldier. He's a mercenary who only cares about himself. That's all he is (well - in the tv-series, anyway)
cant say it enough this show is one of the greatest ever and this season is fucking crazy.
What can the planet do next?
Lololol
Hey, does anyone know the name of the music being played in the background of this episode, when Bobbie is in the club with Esai and Leelee, discussing the new plan? I've hunted high and low for it, haven't found it anywhere.....
I had the same reaction as Nikki to Murtry. So much so that this is my least favorite season (still great though). He just seemed so cartoonishly over-the-top psycho that I couldn't relate to his motivations as well as I could with other "antagonists" in previous seasons. If I take some time away from the show to think about it, I can see how his motivations could make some sense on paper, but the way he's portrayed is as a cold-blooded bigoted psycho who just wants to kill every belter and can't be reasoned with. Amos may have similar psychopathic traits but he's reasonable and has more complex motivations, where Murtry's only motivation seems to be one dimensional bigoted hate to all belters.
You have no idea what that planet is going to throw onto them next... be prepared :-)
Hold onto your seats lovelies, tension doesn't let up from here on in.
I love this season.
Hey guys, you know what if the Planet is just "RESETTING" or "CLEANSING" itself to a point to how it looked like as it was intended! That planet could've been lifeless for Thousands of years until the Rings were opened again! Take into consideration the 1st movie titled "TOTAL RECALL" with Arnold Schwarzenegger, the ending when he Activated the Alien Reactor to make The Mars Atmosphere Breathable!
Just a "What If" Scenario, but when Holden went down there & started the process of what the planet is going through now. My mind went back to the movie Total Recall!
You know, after how Ashford handle Holden's "I see dead people", you would think Holden would rework his explanation about the "Miller" situation.
On a planet by the ring near Uranus, we got a big wind then a flood...Granpa how did you get on the show? In other new the Pirate Captain and the baby make a music video
Just watched a great show on Netflix called i am not okay with this, highly recommended
that bickering was so cute :D
Can you do a reaction of Locke and Key or Dark or Money Heist..??
At this point, it's more fun to see you two arguing about who's right :'D !
This season was great, like sort of a western then it goes downhill so fast.
"water" :'D
Notes! 📝✍️😅
Steven, you're playing a dangerous game. Nikki is always right......always.😜
Idk if anyone has told you guys but Steven would really like Star Wars the clone wars! Nikki can def buy Into it
The water will recede, that’s what happens with a tsunami
"I wanna say it's protomolecule related"
Dude, you think anything untoward that happens is protomolecule related :)
There are other explanations for stuff.
Wasn't most of the systems destroyed by something other than the protomolecule, the protomolecule is trying to find out what
@@samhey7052 Yup. Nothing was happening on Ilus until Holden showed up with a live node of Protomolecule on the Roci. ProtoMiller is switching stuff on all over the planet trying to find out what happened and thus follow his programming. This stuff has lain dormant for billions of years, it's hardly surprising that stuff blows up randomly. There's no sinister intent.
im curious.... lucille or amos ? i havent realy walkin death ..... booring. life is .. (matti nykänen) so blunt and truth...
You guys should watch Lovecraft Country.
There is enough material in the books for how many seasons?
8 books so far. 9th coming soon
Depends on how much they stretch the story's out. They got almost 1 1/2 seasons out of book 1
@@rodentnolastname6612 And 0.5 seasons out of book 3.
@@Enderu666 At that point they thought they where going to get cancelled at any time though and didn't want to end the show half way through a story. Hopefully under Amazon they can do a solid 10 episodes a season at a pace they want.
Sorry but I got to ask: are you gonna get and read/listen to the first 4 books once you're done with season 4 and waiting for season 5 to come out? The 9th and final book will be released either this year or next (all but confirmed) so you could wait until then and buy the whole set in one go, but I feel like you two would very much enjoy the huge amounts of detail, reasoning and explanations from the books that the show has to simplify/cut out/imply due to time constraints. No guarantees but I'd be very surprised if you don't like them after loving the show so much, plus you'd be much more informed than most other reactors at the start of season 5. Just needed to say it...
Scotty would hate this universe...
Aye captain, but I don't understand what the bloody hell is going on?
Consider Reacting to Orphan Black.
Yo Steven. If you are want a good horror show to watch with Nikki. Maybe you like "Ghost Wishperer" (5 Seasons) or "Torchwood" (3/4 Seasons) or maybe The Vampire Diaries or Buffy: The Vampire Slayer.
Anyway nice job with the Videos, keep it up. see you real soon on Patreon.
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I feel that Steven keeps giving Murtry, a man who is a homicidal psychopath hiding behind the position of security chief, the benefit of the doubt.
Some of us are willing to ignore or forgive truly reprehensible behavior if someone has a rank or a position of authority. It's a problematic human quality that we condone evil as long as we believe a perpetrator has been sanctioned by a 'higher authority', whether that be god or man.
Has anyone seen '1917'? In that movie, Mark Strong's character, Captain Smith, advised Schofield to have witnesses present when he delivered the news to Colonel Mackenzie (Cumberbatch's character) to stand down the attack. Mark Strong said some people "just live for the fight," and knew that Colonel Mackenzie would likely have killed Schofield and pretended he hadn't delivered the message in time to stop a mission that would lead to the deaths of over 1600 men.
Murtry's Colonel Mackenzie. He just wants the fight and the kills and hides that behind doing a job. Holden should have let Amos kill him as soon as it became apparent what he was. Unfortunately, that would have led to them being outlaws, again, which would have sucked. They would have killed for the greater good, while Murtry kills because it gives him pleasure to do so.
It’s really simple. I’m working with what we know in this current situation. It’s not that I’m giving anyone the benefit of the doubt, even though we all give Amos the benefit of the doubt when he shoots someone in the face. All I’m saying, and doesn’t imply that I agree, is that I get why Murtry is doing what he’s doing. Before even landing, his ship was blown up, friends and innocent scientists were murdered. He was issued a direct threat that more of his people would die. Got intel of an ambush and hostages were taken. All this aggression comes from an assumption based on history. His actions are all reactionary based off aggressive actions, pretty much an act of war, towards his people. Crazy person or not, pretty hard to be diplomatic when all of that happens to the people you’re hired to protect. Aggression and murder is not something I’d ever pick but I get Murtry’s mindset. And I clearly state I get the Belter’s side too. Just can’t support their idea of attacking before Murtry and co before they even get a chance to land. Also, let’s keep in mind this is a TV show.
@@NikkiStevenReact -- I don't give Amos the benefit of the doubt. He's incredibly dangerous and is less so because he's on Holden's and Naomi's leashes. Left to his own devices, he's the type of person that would need to be put down or imprisoned.
The Belters actions are also unforgivable. They need to pay for their crimes, but they should not be executed without trial, especially by someone who has been given rights to be on New Terra by the UN. That means he's there under the rules and regulations of human society. He therefore should be following the rules.
It's better to her now, then for her to find out some other way later.
The tower they went to doesn't have to be water proof. It's tall enough that they can get above the water level. And remember when they first went to it the scientist said it extends down farther than they scanners can reach. It is does down several km.
Please watch dark on Netflix, it is literally the most crazy and amazing tv show ever!
On Nikki's side why did he not try to take them into custody?
Steven: “The stakes are getting so high.”
Me: *laughs in episode 7*
The belters only started planning to kill more after murtry murdered the one guy
Belters kill multiple people...that's unfortunate. Murty kills one...that's bad! Belters plan "to kill more"...Oh well.
@@charlesadlam exactly
@@charlesadlam "Collective punishment is still a war crime. Look it up."
This situation isn't war, but the ethics are the same. "The Belters" are not acting in unison when it comes to the extremist group, nor did Murtry have any evidence that the man he believes threatened him was responsible for the landing pad attack. He killed that man without any proof of imminent threat or actual guilt.
Whether you think it was frontier justice or murder, Murtry's killing of Viking Belter was extrajudicial, without just cause, and without remorse.
Later, the landing pad conspirators were planning a reprisal attack as well as preemptively (in their mind) preventing the RCE kicking them off-planet (or worse). Murtry's assault and summary execution was again extrajudicial and, while this time under actual imminent threat, could have been avoided.
Excessive force is defined as the use of force which is greater than what is required to resolve a situation, and implies either incompetence or malice.
And I don't think Murtry is incompetent.
So, yes, all the people named above committed unnecessary violence but the difference is, the RCE violence was conducted under orders or direct action by Murtry, who retains authority to do so, but the Belter violence was committed by a radical group acting outside of the Belter leadership structure and without the knowledge of the wider population.
Murtry had the opportunity to resolve both situations without lethal force. He chose not to. And any accounting of those choices must include fair criticism of the necessity or lack thereof of subsequent lethal force.
Ultimately, just because something may be legal doesn't mean it's ethical.
The plan from landfall was to kick out the belters and take all the lithium.
which from their perspective was perfectly legal as the belters had entered the ring illegally as agreed between earth, mars and certain belter factions. It's not black and white at all which is one of the reasons this season is so compelling
@@Leafblade15 Just saying, "perfectly legal" isn't the best way to defend the behavior of a corporation lol
@@bejanked The RCE Corporation has the official charter to exploit
resources on New Terra. The Belters are there illegally according to them as they forced their way through the rings.
@@shawnsouthwell9271 I think you missed the point of my comment. (It wasn't meant to take away from the one I was responding to.)
@@shawnsouthwell9271 And UN has the right to regulate access to the planet and give out charters unilaterally, because ... ?
Omg. Looks like Covid HAHHAHA
You guys should react to Grimm
Steven Pls Never Stop "Chaos" Reference :D
Murtry flat out doesn't trust the Belters.. don't know why some folks don't see that. Like I said before every time he tried another way it ended up badly. Steven you are doing right, seeing both sides. belters drew first blood, guys like Murtry don't let up after that.
What you're missing is that the belters had good reason to draw first blood, because they've experienced Inners taking away everything they worked for again and again in their history.
OMG!! They might divorce over this!!! :O :)
Ha!! We’re way stronger than this show.
I disagree with Steven. A lot.
That’s good. Disagreements are healthy.
Thank You Steven! You are the first reactior that actualy see how grey the situation is. Most reactors go Morty Bad just like Nikki. Damn it bothers me way more than it should hehehe
I've never liked the Belters. Whiny, agressive, angry, stubborn people who blames others for everything. (Yes, I realize I sound like a Trumper. :p)