Cities Skylines 2 is a Dumpster Fire
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- čas přidán 17. 04. 2024
- An apology? Refunds? A roadmap or sorts? And even a console release window? Let's talk about the latest update from Colossal Order and Paradox Interactive. TL;DR... it's still a dumpster fire.
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People are starving to death in wars and you moan about a game? Get a life dude.
People are starving to death in wars and you're complaining in the comments section of CZcams videos? Get a life dude.
maybe grab a gun and go to the frontline 🤡
what kind of shitty nonsensical comment is that
Hypocrisy, aren't you here moaning about a video complaining about a game despite people starving to death in wars? Huh, I guess any complaints you've made in life you should've never made because others will always have it worse than you, right? Use your brain.
@@MoveTheMouse says the guy complaining about a comment that's complaining about a CZcams video
Stinky corporate apology. Too little, way too late.
I tried to offer polite opinions on forums and was treated with contempt. These people are arrogant and so are some of their followers. Hilarious to see it be the disaster that I predicted! Save your money, stick with Cities 1
As time goes on I'm getting the feeling this game will eventually be abandoned. Most of the fanbase said screw it and went back to CS1. Paradox probably had enough and gave them an ultimatum, fix the game, or we are pulling the plug. Even bigger apology would be we are opening up the Steam Workshop and asset modding today.
lol very true, in fact they are still charging about 35 - 40 bucks for CS1, a fair recompense would be offering people CS1 with all DLC and mods included for free and telling them to wait for re-release of CS2 in early 2026 when it should be actually ready.
@@wobblyboost this would actually be pretty nice
I bet AI wrote that apology 😂
I lol'd then the sinking feeling you may well be at least partly right wiped the smile off my face. When they dont abide by their roadmap they'll say, oh actually a robot wrote that, sowwy, here's some free trees and some houses we stole off asset modders.
Wow so glad I never bought this. What a mess.
I am so proud of myself for not buying it too.. and I have bought pretty much City Builder ever made.
I got a month of xbox gamepass to try it. It was enough to know this game was garbage
I thought about building a high-end gaming PC with a 4090. Now I know that even with that, the game will still lag. Glad I didn’t buy it.
@@jasmeetbrar8609 Remember when they showed us that first preview video and everybody was like: "I am not sure the reflection in the puddle looked just right" lol.. or: I hope the building construction animations are more detailed.." they got us so good.
I bought this going in knowing it would be bad but I underestimated just how bad the game actually was…
I pre-purchased the Ultimate package and I am NOT happy with this "refund" offer. They're offering radio stations that, quite frankly, I likely won't be interested in, and free DLC's that are in the same boat. I mean, really? I don't even play the game anymore. Give me the money!
Agreed. I'm absolutely furious over their "fair compensastion". I literally don't understand how what they're doing doesn't amount to literal fraud.
Yeah exactly! They can arbitrarily add as little content as possible in their DLC’s and say that’s worth it’s some arbitrary amount because they say so. The Beachfront DLC was garbage and it’s barely anything, and yet they were charging $10 for it. Somehow 4x that content is expected to compensate for the players that shelled out their money for the ultimate edition, only for them to get such a mediocre experience, and now they have to wait even longer for their promised DLC’s, just so that they can fix the game, even though it should’ve been stable in the first place.
That's why you don't preorder. People don't learn 🙄🙄
I translated CO and Paradox's "apology" to mean this:
"We are aware that our customers are extremely unhappy, and we will do anything possible to avoid a class-action lawsuit. Please accept this empty gesture as our acknowledgment that we screwed up. So, as a token of our appreciation we're going to give you your money back and an unfinished DLC for free that we never should have released in the first place.
And if you bought the Ultimate Edition, we regret to inform you that we can't give you a refund, but we're going to give you more unfinished crap that doesn't work in 6 months.
Don't sue us."
This is a great summary.
Accurate summary!
lol they arent giving much money back considering almost nobody bought the dlc 😂
Thank you…
I’ll stop waiting for the console version and get back to my cs1 saved game
Same. I wish there was some sort of traffic fix for CS1 on console, but other than that, I've enjoyed building cities in it. I haven't built one with the additional tiles unlocked yet, so I will probably start a new build and see how that plays differently. At least I know there is no console release imminent and I won't have any interest in it once it does release until I see what state it is in.
The worst thing are the apologists who are happy to consume this mediocrity and call out even any type of slightest constructive criticism as being "ToXiC!!'.
KSP2 fans did the same exact things. The KSP2 devs call everyone toxic and gaslit the community.
RIGHT!? When are complaining (and b*tching) got people REFUNDS - i.e. we materially affected their lives for the better. I never wanna see someone complain about criticizing a game or calling us toxic, cuz we did that for y'all.
All im saying is i had fun playing it. I understand people despise it because it 100% is an unfinished game. But personally i enjoyed my game
Best part about being CEO is the money & the fame!
It would be funnier if it wasn't an actual quote.
Well, she got all the money, but I'm not sure she's gonna have quite the fame she wanted... more like infamy!
If they really understood the disappointment maybe they shouldn't have rushed out the game in such a poor early access state for full price. There is no way they didn't know it was far from ready. Paradox dlc have been even more overpriced lately so the "value" of 40 bucks is just made up, especially if you consider the quality of the game so far. Unless the game is actually improved don't trust what they say. They do not deserve the benefit of a doubt anymore.
I'm not sure about the feedback from the select few players who will be in the meeting. Honestly I don't really trust the content creators since they withheld so many problems about the game before release. Even if they 100% believed all the performance and other issues would magically be fixed before release (lol) they SHOULD have said something about it. At least mentioned it.
Never trust marketing, their job is literarily to lie in your face. Never trust roadmaps because they're pure marketing. Oh we'll totally fix the game, oh no not now but in the future, just keep giving us money NOW and we'll totally fix everything in the future honest.
People probably don't give 2 fcks about compensation, they want a similarly great game as cities skylines 1...
And instead of building it, they have released a dumpster fire.
All of their pre-release testers, whom are also big names in the CZcams Cities space voiced their concern about the missing features and performance before launch.
And yet, they pushed it though anyways.
Then they push out a DLC that was a joke.
And they ask for us to trust them?
But hey! Ultimate edition owners - enjoy listening to the "free" radio stations while you make your bland and boring cities!
I love that every time the letter F appears, it is capitalized, like the failing letter grade CS2 deserves.
Best thing is that's an official Cities font.
Popular content creators are not an independent side. They started talking about the core issues of CS2 only four to five months after the release when gamers stopped watching their content. I'm sure they'd known about all the issues because they had early access but silenced it. I'm very disappointed in game developers of course but in so-called content creators too. It's so disrespectful to their viewers.
Biffa, this comment is for u!
When i man on his own can have an idea like Manor Lords and then with a small team produce an incredible looking game that actually works in Beta better than a full release of CS2 there is something very wrong.
It's just so telling that the "advisory meeting" doesnt actually involve PLAYERS.
I pre-ordered CS2, I played it for a week or two, but the cities are so lifeless and the gameplay is so janked, I haven't played it since. I do hope that they manage to pull it back but I'm getting so tired of games that clearly aren't ready for prime-time being pushed out the door. and being labelled as "toxic" by the content creators as you rightly point out, depend on CS for their income, essentially telling people to believe them and ignore their own lying eyes. I have a high end rig and at best CS2 is a city decorator with performance issues, nowhere near the personality that CS1 has. It's been such a disappointment.
CS2 and KSP2 should be a warning to all developers.
We will see a console version when they put a 7090 RTX in the Xbox to run it
Can't wait!
Lmao. Here I was, thinking of building a high-end PC with a 4090 to prepare myself for this game. Thank goodness I didn’t go through with that plan. I do plan to build a PC, but to play games that are worthy of our time, and are actually fun. As for this game, I’d wait a few years…
@@jasmeetbrar8609 Honestly, you could do that for CS1. It gets pretty bulky with all the mods and assets. But once you get it running, holy sht it's amazing
Making second game should be easier... you take first game + mods + fixing complaints
You made the best point of all. They had NINE YEARS to be listening to the community. We showed them EVERYTHING we wanted through the popularity of mods and assets.
I don't think they could have screwed up this release anymore than they did. It's done.
They just admitted it wasn't ready BUT they didn't tell anyone and let people go buy it. There is a law against that kind of lying.
My favorite part is they admit to rushing CSII out the door before it was ready, and apologized.
To fix it, they rushed a DLC out the door before it was ready, and apologized.
Rinse and repeat.
Free content for broken empty game... cool...😅
I appreciate that the common sense prevails here. So sick of people defending this mess for over decade now I have been avoiding AAA releases on day 1 waiting for reviews never regretted waiting once
Can somebody please build a good, modern city builder like we wanted? I mean, it's 2024 come on guys.
Please?!
EA or Maxis, where are you? Here's your chance :)
A game that needs lots of mods is not a good sign.
not the devs fault, just the publishers fault
The way this sequel was handled has unfortunately soured me completely on CS1 as well. I cannot enjoy playing it anymore, or making videos to promote the game. I am just completely apathetic to the franchise now. I will never spend a single penny purchasing anything from Paradox or Colossal Order ever again. I may be just one person, and it may not make a difference but that is just my own personal stance. I do not support this type of predatory behavior from companies.
You are not alone. Player counts across CS1 and CS2 are down combined. They actually made a sequel so bad it makes the first game less fun.
pls dont stop uploading, love your content
I loved the official font for the messages on screen, made everything so much funnier :D
I cannot understand a rush release for this kind of game, insane. And your point that modders gave them everything they needed to know is 100% , this could have been a slam dunk. What an indictment of of corporate culture.
"The problem with a dumpster fire is even if you put out the fire, it's still a dumpster"
It's going to be along wait until the game is good, and that's only if they decide to go in the right decision starting now.
Refunded this game day 1 on release
I am Pepperidge Farm... and I remember... I wish they'd get you on that dev team.
Product Manager for hire.
Pepridge Fuggin Farms Remembers. So do the member berries!
Yup, have to snag up some pics of the DLC rankings for the archive, 'cause I gots the memberberries real bad, and I don't want this fact to slip into oblivion without resistance.
I’m still trying to understand why this game is so CPU heavy. At this point they should probably reach out to other companies and game devs for advice or business consulting on how to optimize it. In its current state on PC I don’t know how they are going to get Sony or MS to approve this for a console release.
Granted I’m not a professional gamer but when the strain on my cpu is very high, but my gpu is in sleep mode, it doesn’t make sense. Every other game I play the gpu is the workhorse NOT the cpu. I have a 5800X3D, only this game pushes it to its limits. I don’t know if it’s their game engine or what, but the graphics and gameplay don’t equate to the system resources being used
its a simulator, lots of pathing calculations for one. this type of game is usually CPU heavy
there is a lot of simulation.
it makes sense, however what doesnt make sense is performance barely increasing with a lot more cores even though its supposedly optimized to use all and outs them under load.
Anyways, I think they made the wrong choice making the simulation so deep- its still bad and has little impact on gameplay.
At the same time, after certain population even the simulation starts dropping and later on there is basically no pathfinding simulation at all.
So it both fails to simulate as well as being playable performance.
So basically its bottlenecking ?
@@WarbandGames not bottlenecking but using way too much cpu resources. And for the other comments. I only play simulation games. I play FS22, ATS, ETS2, Flight sim, Snowrunner, Expeditions. None of these even strain my PC in any way. Nail 60 fps with ease and I only have a 3070 gpu. It’s my CPU that’s being overworked.
The reason I can tell is it heats up. The other games never touch 70 C. I’ll be sitting at 75 C on the loading screen and throughout gameplay. That’s cpu temp not gpu. My gpu stays around mid 50’s that’s why I’m saying something isn’t correct. It’s only this game. The other games my gpu will go into high 60’s C but cpu stays cool telling me it’s using the graphics card to handle the workload
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j I don’t know enough about the hardware to really comment. I just monitor my rig with afterburner and GeForce. I’m meticulous to keep it safe. I don’t even download any mods for games unless they are directly off the developers site. Like FS22 I use the modhub, CS2 I’ve started messing with Paradox, Snowrunner same. I don’t use 3rd party sites for fear of viruses.
You’ll see my above comment I only play simulation games it’s my genre. I’m not sure what they managed to do with this game but it literally runs backwards compared to the other games I play. Also I failed to mention I have 128 GB of RAM
The one disaster I see over and over in the software industry is releasing software before it's ready in order to satisfy arbitrary deadlines. Once you lose the trust of your users, it's nearly impossible to get it back.
I still hope...
...hope that this Game will revive
like No Man's Sky did.
But... "I've got a bad feeling about this"
😢
I read that in Han Solos voice.
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Yeah it's too little too late. I'm not touching CS2 when it releases on console.
Good idea.
I never buy a game unless it has been out for at least a year because most of them are dumpster fires these days. My only exception has been DayZ, but I knew what I was getting into. LOL
hehe this game fooled me. I pre-ordered months before since I could get it much cheaper then (30€ for ultimate edition).
I first got the standard edition for 20€ but then changed after. Anyways, as shitty as it is and I dont play it, I am on the fence if I really regret it or not.
Other than that Ive only bought Bannerlord, knowingly in a shitty state in early access but the game did improve and meet my expectations.
I heard that about the only AAA games worth a damn are from Japan and some of those you got to buy a 5-10 year old overpriced console to play them on.
I remember you had a video about CS1 the remastered version being broken.. is it still in a bad state? As a console player (series X) which version of the game should I be playing??
So, depends. The regular console version is more stable, but Remastered is what I play on the Series X. 25 tiles is hard to come back from. Even though there are some bugs, not any game breaking ones that I've run into in a while.
@@MoveTheMouse thanks for the response:)
Well done sir. They don’t have the chops to do this right. They’ve proven this over and over.
Time for a complete reformation of the genre.
At this point, just do a Cyberpunk and offer a refund to everyone.
Agree, I bought a new console just to play it. They can stick their apology....🤬
I almost bought/made a gaming computer specifically for this game. I am so glad I didn't spend thousands of dollars for this shit.
And yet, I am still holding out for an epic comeback of CS2. Because I truly love Cities Skylines and want it to succeed. 😔
Don't care about this or any other game coming out in unfinished state, NEVER PLAYING THEM
man, my condolences to the fans who preordered
God I remember watching the initial advertisements for City Skylines to and how incredibly deep and wonderful at all looked what is scam
(cos it's an interesting release time for a MTM video!)
I switched to DaVinci Resolve and the edit took me longer than usual. First video with the software.
Yeah, I'm not totally sad console isn't out yet, cos I missed out on all the sadness of the past few months. I think October is super ambitious seeing the rest of it
@@MoveTheMouse How did that go? I've been putting it off for ages, cos the learning curve existed and I'm lazy :D
If you know Premiere you can do it. I'm trying to get used to new key binds but I'm gonna spend some time mapping to what I know from Adobe.
There's an Adobe keyboard shortcut template but it's not quite right.
I can take you through it some time on a discord share if you want.
Honestly I would rather them keep the money and hire better managerial staff!
They need new executives and managers but those are the last things to change.
Wether you're a PC player, a console player, a Switch player, a Steam Deck player, a Wii player, or a Mobile player, we can all confirm that this thing is a certified bruh moment.
I didn't buy CSII because things seems off about it even before launch, AND I stopped playing CS because without further support, the way I played it (with a lot of workshop assets) was going to slowly deteriorate over time, making many of my cities unplayable or needing to be drastically re-worked to fix.
Drove me crazy that they're only going to listen directly to people with huge followings on the forum or social media. Total mistake.
Yesterday, I tweeted to them about this and the response from CO was to tag them or DM them on social media or place my comments on the forum.
I got into paradox games around a decade ago and it seems pretty clear the best way to approach any game they are involved with is to buy it long after release, when they have the complete game with all the dlc done. Otherwise you're playtesting a half baked game for them and paying every step of the way to have a complete game. Granted, the games are playable in a base state, but half the game is locked behind dlc typically.
I don't care about their apology - I just want asset mods to be made available
Sad thing is, they are trying to “save” this game by modders. Yep tons of mods out now giving us what should have been in the base game. I see what their doing, let’s get Biffa and them in there to talk up how cool the game is with the mod now, stay completely silent, and a year from now this will all be behind us and we can start slamming out paid DLC’s
You've put word on why I am not happy with the compensation on the Ultimate edition. People in the community try to argue that "we still get what we paid for"... But they fail to understand how Colossal Order just made things worse with this.
One thing I've been told is : "Creator packs are similar to beach property DLC". But since the DLC is now free, why are the others so expensive? Right now the ultimate edition is the exact same thing than the base game, for more money, and a promise to deliver something, which they failed to do so on multiple occasion.
I do regret buying the game. I usually don't do preorders, but I was confident with the coverage they did that the game was going to be decent at launch. I was not expecting it to be perfect, most games are released with issues now. But this is far beyond any reasonable first week patches.
Colossal Order needs to step up for real. Or Paradox needs to step in and make things right. For me, both CO and Paradox names are associated with this failure. It's going to influence any future purchase decision.
Did they include pictures of kittens and baby seals when they made this announcement? Because I felt like I was hearing the BP South Park episode.
I really hope they add something for us console preorders, but they probably won’t. Very disappointed
"Pepperidge f*%#ing farm remembers" lol
how dare you sir
Mostly via DaVinci Resolve.
Honestly, if I was a shareholder in either of these companies I'd be PISSED! They're burning down the house literally!
I just gotta say your newplayers guide and cityplanner plays for city sky lines is what helped me grow my cities and understand the game more n now I'm seeing that csl2 is not going well sucks hope it gets better and I find a better new player guide for it
I'm starting to think it is physically impossible for a game studio to finish a game before it is released. Every game in the last few years is broken on release and fixed slowly, very slowly, over 3-5 years. I don't know what developers spend these 8 or more year dev cycles doing, but it clearly is not working lol.
It's not that bad. Just look at Manor Lords. Same genre, medieval city builder. Even the demo a year ago was playable very well, a revelation in game design. Way way better than cs2. And only 1 programmer. Either you've got skill and talent or you don't. CO were lucky with cs1 in making a better copy of simcity. But now they're running out of luck, failing to improve their own game. Maybe there is skill but no talent. Or the other way around.
Sadly I only spend about 10-20 mins max on CSII. In comparison to CSI, where I would play the entire day.
I went from a super fan to a hater in 6 months. I don't play this game anymore and I'm not sure if I'll ever come back. Maybe another company can produce something better. I lived that again with Ea games back then
genius move 😅
showing they take action while not having to lose any money since nobody bought the crap dlc anyways.
still, even as a ultimate edition owner I dont complain- regardless of the reasons it is a right step they took and im happy.
Now there is only 99 steps left :p
Cyberpunk, No Man's Sky, Starfield, Cities II...I dunno what's going on with suits who can't realize that they'll be facing a nightmare of bad pub, loss of respect for the companies (I haven't bought a Sony game since the demise of SWG) and wariness of the consumer to buy their future products. And these are Big Boys. CDPR, Sony, Bethesda and Paradox are some of the brightest stars in gaming in recent years. All of them have been tainted, and we're all "buyer beware" of their upcoming projects. And yet, the suits are clueless. Ah, the 21st Century. Gotta love it.
Meanwhile, we see the Little Guys coming up with Stranded, Satisfactory, BG3, Nightingale, Coral Island and a host of other polished titles at reasonable prices. And while each has minor problems, they're wonderful games with huge potential for the future. Until, of course, the suits realize there's money to be made, and we go through the cycle once again.
Never been so uninterested in cities…. Ever. Haven’t touched cities 2 in months. Was my favorite game. Used to trust paradox/colassal order. Not so much anymore. Too bad 😢
Welp this channel has progressed so much. Love the outro thoughts. Rip CS2
I pre-ordered it and had a lot of patience at the beginning. When Beach Properties came out, I was just disappointed. I've uninstalled it now and will check back in a year. At least a year, if not two.
Thanks for the update on this situation. I heard about it and didn't realize it was still ongoing. I'll avoid this when it releases on console at least for a while. I'll wait till it is deeply discounted or comes out as a PlayStation Plus free game because it may flop on console too because of all this. Ill just stick with CS1 for the time being
God have I dodged a silver bullet with this one. My stance on waiting before buying and never ever preordering anymore (Even on games I really really want) has paid * A LOT * in the last 2 years. Yeah much like KSP2, there's no reason to play the second game over the first one (with mods, of course), or very little reasons to.
Thanks for the video !
“Pepridge fking farms remembers”
Fking deadddddd
Pepperidge f*****g Farm remembers. BAHAHA, perfectly summed up.
Wow, I haven't played since launch because I'd just been playing other games but I had assumed the game was at least in good working condition by now.
"we broke it so fix it for us"
Tbh, I picked up the game today after a couple of months of not playing and it was… fine 🤷🏻♂️ I really think it needs assets in the mod store so cities can look better, but a lot of the performance issues have been resolved for me. The game seems to run as well as cs1 and my machine is a few years old. One thing I did was uninstall and reinstall on the ssd. Running off a regular hdd was borderline unplayable. Not sure if that will help others, but it’s worth a try if you haven’t done that. The game mechanics have also changed a bit since the last time I played it. Like there was a bug where you needed an infinite supply of elementary schools, but now it seems to work correctly. I wish they had waited to release it, but some people are acting like nothing is being done, when I can see a significant difference from when it was first released. Once the assets are available to download, I’ll be happy enough with it.
i bought a PC to play CS2 after enjoying CS1 so much on PS4, so glad i never actually got round to buying it on release. after only a couple of days i was put off. such a shame as it has so much potential.
"City Skylines 2 is a dumpster fire."....exactly why I haven't bought it. And you aren't the only content creator who has said that.
I guess they should have waited another year, at least. Patience has its virtues... 😔
Half baked, mandatory apology that feels copy-pasted from other apologies. They apologised a lot after the game was released and still tried to drop rubbish DLC on the community, only to apologise after the backlash was worse than they expected. I guess they were expecting people to Hoover up CS2 DLC like they did with CS1 content.
I like that they're trying to engage with 'the community' to hopefully fix the game going forward, but when the community amounts to content creators who rely on the game and not every day gamers, that means squat to me.
I certainly won't be rushing out to get the console version if/when it's released. I had it on pre-order originally, one of the best things they did with CS2 was to cancel and refund those pre-orders.
2:24 I think the biggest surprise to me is that SuperPowers 3 was already released. I didn't even know and it's been out since late 2022 😅
This is why i never pre-order and why i always wait from reviews from trusted people. CS:2 needed at least 1 year more in full development before release. Or an early access release with a cheaper price tag. To finish the foundation of a game, for long term. I bet the release decsion was made by the publisher paradox. Poor devs. Fxing it now is near impossible without breaking savegames.
I don’t think they can recovery from this. the new mod workshop couldn’t get players back to playing the game.
I really miss your content. You are my favorite CS creator. Have you considered trying Manor Lords? I know it's only PC for now but I really do just miss your content.
Manor Lords for sure! Coming to GamePass tomorrow!
I might be getting into Fallout 4 for a bit. But Cities Remastered will probably make a return too soon.
Stay tuned. I appreciate the support.
They must be serious when they finally change their DLC approach, lol. So glad I didn't buy it, seeing the hype around it got me playing C:S1 again for a while. I'm still baffled that they didn't even implement the full toolset of traffic manager into the base game, and that is before all the stuff about the broken simulation and other issues came out.
Why do people purchase promises instead of products? With politics, we don't have much of a choice, but with software...???
Yeah, I read that shit this morning, and all I could do was think about how trying to use the Paradox mod thing and add mods to my game damn near broke it. Because of course it did. Here I was hoping maybe the game would be good again with mods but... nope, just another headache.
And also... Almost $40USD for three content creator packs and 3 radio stations? Are we getting mini games in these items to make them so expensive!?
wait, if beach properties is free. When is that being updated to the game? After a quick search I couldnt find anything
That part I'm not sure, but it's missing from my library already as of the evening of the 18th, eastern time.
in the next patch, in couple of weeks.
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j thank you :)
I actually liked the fact that this is from both CO and Paradox. I have 11 games on Steam that I bought based on demos, early access, or friends' recommendations that I don't play, won't play, and will never get my money back on. Any compensation on CS2 is more than I expected. I want CS2 to be successful because I don't it to be #12. So I don't wish any ill on CO or Paradox. But the fact that they totally ignored what the Workshop contributors had submitted to improve CS year after year is beyond belief. Their customers already voted for what they wanted through Workshop downloads. Why did they ignore it? Was it because they were so locked into what they had originally wanted CS to be a decade ago? I don't know, but I question if they can truly give us what we wanted and also doubt that they can give us what they wanted. Yes, they can fix things and improve things, but I feel the design decisions made years ago might now preclude CO from making the changes the game needs. We'll see. In the meantime, City Planner Mismanages has a good discussion on who should be in that small group.
yeah im really not happy about the radio stations and creator packs. i could not care less about the in-game music, and theres a damn good chance that i also wont care about whats in the creator packs
I enjoyed the radio stations in the first game, but I got them for free. And it certainly wouldn't have encouraged me to buy into the Ultimate edition.
@MoveTheMouse in most of the games I play I don't listen to the in game music because I'm very picky with my music, the only games off the top of my head I can think of that I will actually listen to the in game music are nascar 07 and need for speed prostreet
All I've asked for this game was one thing, one stupid little thing: Optimization.
CS2 feels like CS1 with mods, still unoptimized, still using tons of ram and cpu when doesn't need... Why does it feels it was made by amateurs?
It like they saw simcity 2013 and said to themselves. Yeah, let try to get our own studio shutdown and burn down any good will we build from the first game.
First and last time I will ever pre order or buy a deluxe or ultimate addition.
Same! The marketing looked awesome and I really trusted Colossal Order but they just screwed it up at this point
They need to focus only on CSII and fix this burn of a game. They do not care about us
Sir thank you for doing this video and providing your feedback.
However when it comes to the letter of apology from both of these companies you should seriously take it with a grain of salt. Because you need to read between the lines that they are not 100% going to be up and honest with any of you. The letter also proves that the game is poorly mismanaged and poorly developed because of the mismanagement in the company which is literally started from the CEO and down. Believe it or not this is a classic example of a situation where there is too much management and two little employees to do the job.
It is also clear based on the information and research that I have done on the graphic engine that they are using which is a newer version. That their current employees do not have enough knowledge and training on how to use this new graphic engine and its features. It is also clear that upper management is not giving their employees enough time to learn this new graphic engine and it's features and not enough time to build the game correctly. Because also from what I have learned about this graphic engine and it's features that it could very easily handle this game with no trouble if the coding in the engine was used correctly and it is more than obvious that it isn't use correctly in CS2.
Believe it or not, all the problems that everybody is experiencing game is due to a poorly coated game and a game where again their employees do not have enough time to build it correctly. The only way they're gonna be able to build this game correctly is first get upper management and the CEO away from it as far as possible. Second, they need to give those employees who are working on the game as much time as possible to do what they need to do to get the job done right and stop rushing them. Then if they fall all of this the game will work correctly.
Now as far as the console version of the game goes don't expect to see that for at least another two years at least. If they state that they could do it in less than two years then don't buy it until you watch it and see how it goes for six months. Because the PC version has to be running near perfectly before you ever consider working on a console version.
I knew something was wrong when they pulled the PS5 version back last year.... crazy what the gaming industry has turned into. Such a shame.
"We're putting together an advisory meeting, where a small group of player representatives..." ala the content creators who also sold the player base out, and also called anyone angry and outraged, toxic.
You're starting to sound kind of toxic, be careful...
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I'm ticked. It was coming to console in Oct 2023, then we had to wait until Spring of 2024. Now it's Oct of 2024? R u kidding me? Wth? I gave up watch mv of everyone else enjoying the prerelease and then those playing it on PC. Now a whole year to wait? There better not be one bug, or glitch, nothing, and it better be FREE on gamepass and have a TON of free DLC for us to make up for it OR forget it. If some other company has a city builder game in the works please beat these guys to the release date and give us a quality product!
i applaud them for doing the right thing with refunds. i still scorn them for releasing the game liek this, i am glad i listened to people like you and have not bought the game, well, back to ck3